New guy

[Guest guest]

My husband had this yet I had not known him then

When he found out about his liver they had only given him a short time to live

He had no idea he was even ill.

He had transplant 2 years ago

Treated for hep afterwards

okseven_7

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[Guest guest]

You can have cirrhosis for a long time without decompensation. Life

expectancy with cirrhosis as long as without cirrhosis as long as

whatever caused it is removed and you're careful with meds and such.

It's only when the acitis, enceph, varicies appear that you're end

stage. And they only appear if there is continuing damage to the

liver.

> Acitis,encephalothopy and varicies, do they only happen with

cirrhosis? Does end stage liver disease mean cirrhosis, or can you

have cirrhosis for a long time without the other problems?

>

>

> WulfeMom

> Re: new guy

>

>

> Only in cirrhosis. Decompensation is end stage liver disease.

It's

> marked by acitis, encephalothopy, jaundice and varicies. It can

be any

> or all of the above. It indicates a life span of 5 years or less

> unless you receive a transplant.

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bobby,

I am so sorry for the reasons that bring you here. But know that you

have found a good place to come for support and help in dealing with

a life of chronic pain. There is a great group of people here that

are all very helpful and supportive of one another.

It sounds as though you have been through more than your fair share

of hardships. It is so sad to see so many young people with these

problems. I am 35 also. I feel as though I am way to young for this.

I don't feel like a 35 year old aymore.

I look forward to getting to know you. Know that you are not alone.

Take care,

Katrina Group Moderator

> i`m a new guy here. my name is bobby. i was in a accident in my

teen

> years that did some damage to my lower back. by the time my late

20`s

> rolled around it was worse. chiroprators worked on me but to not

much

> help. my early 30`s pain was going down my right leg. my dr.

decided to

> operate that seemed to help a little and after six months it was

back

> to like it was. he`s not given me much on my back only that i have

disc

> damage in the L4 and L5 area. i used to hunt and do other things

but

> since have had to stop. i walk with a limp and i don`t get around

well

> anymore. i work with my uncle`s company as a desk clerk now but i

can`t

> sit long periods. i`m 35 now and i joined here to give support if

i

> could and get support as well. thanks for allowing me to join and

> hearing me.

> bobby.

>

[Guest guest]

hey bobby,

my name is rob im 31 and have had two less then successful back surgeries in

the past year - watch out for those. ive got two little boys and im about

to lose my job. work is trying to force me to quit because they dont want

to fire me and pay unemployment. this is a great place filled with great

people. if you have any questions someone here will be able to answer em.

good luck and take care

rob

>From: " limpinround " <limpinround@...>

>Reply-neck pain

>neck pain

>Subject: new guy

>Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:42:09 -0000

>

>i`m a new guy here. my name is bobby. i was in a accident in my teen

>years that did some damage to my lower back. by the time my late 20`s

>rolled around it was worse. chiroprators worked on me but to not much

>help. my early 30`s pain was going down my right leg. my dr. decided to

>operate that seemed to help a little and after six months it was back

>to like it was. he`s not given me much on my back only that i have disc

>damage in the L4 and L5 area. i used to hunt and do other things but

>since have had to stop. i walk with a limp and i don`t get around well

>anymore. i work with my uncle`s company as a desk clerk now but i can`t

>sit long periods. i`m 35 now and i joined here to give support if i

>could and get support as well. thanks for allowing me to join and

>hearing me.

>bobby.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bobby welcome to the group, sorry that pain has brought you here

though. Has your dr ever considered a dorsal spinal stimulator?? Its

used for severe sciatic nerve pain. I had one put in almost 2 yrs

ago and I have severe sciatic pain down my entire left side from my

back to my foot. Also some in my right side. But before I had the

implant put in I could not even leave the house at all I was in so

much pain nothing could help. I can give you more information if you

want. Again welcome to the group. Sharon Group Owner

>

> i`m a new guy here. my name is bobby. i was in a accident in my

teen

> years that did some damage to my lower back. by the time my late

20`s

> rolled around it was worse. chiroprators worked on me but to not

much

> help. my early 30`s pain was going down my right leg. my dr.

decided to

> operate that seemed to help a little and after six months it was

back

> to like it was. he`s not given me much on my back only that i have

disc

> damage in the L4 and L5 area. i used to hunt and do other things

but

> since have had to stop. i walk with a limp and i don`t get around

well

> anymore. i work with my uncle`s company as a desk clerk now but i

can`t

> sit long periods. i`m 35 now and i joined here to give support if

i

> could and get support as well. thanks for allowing me to join and

> hearing me.

> bobby.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Matt, and welcome to the group.

I'm in England, too... down on the Garden Coast in the town of Folkestone. I travel up to Ashford (Kent) to see Mr Fairley - an otolaryngologist worth his weight in gold, I'm sure!

Good luck with your treatment/surgery... just remember that regardless of whatever's been posted, you're the patient this time, so things may be different for you.

All the best

Kazzy :-)

new guy

Hi all!First off I must say this site has been really useful. I am a 24yr old guy from England, and was diagnosed with c-toma's in both ears (yay!) a couple of months ago, and have been a 'wall-flower' on the site reading and just learning more through all the postings - you all have so much interesting and helpful info!I am lined up for my first surgery on my left (worse) ear - am having CWU - on 1st August. I am looking forward to it strangely, as it will be nice to finally be getting something done about it after 2 years of your standard ENT problems and hearing loss. I think I am very very lucky as my new consultant seems brilliant and fills me with confidence (Mr in Guildford, England).The weekend before my op, I am doing some mountain climbing called the 3 peaks challenge - which involves attempting to climb the three highest peaks in England (Scafell Pike), Wales (Snowdon) and Scotland (Ben Nevis) all within 24 hours (inc travel time)! I am really excited about it. I am doing it to raise money for the RNID (a charity for the deaf and hard of hearing) - if anyone fancies sponsoring me on my justgiving site (www.justgiving.com/mattwheatley) that would be brilliant!Btw – on the smoking issue – I smoked from the age of 15 until I was 19 and quit at uni. It was really difficult but if you start saying "I don't smoke" instead of "I am quitting" or "I am cutting down" it helps – you gotta think of yourself as a non-smoker rather than a smoker who hasn't had a cigarette in ages! Easier said than done though definitely!Thanks all again for the info and advice and best of luck to all those awaiting surgery or trying to recover!Matt W

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kazzy. Nice one for quitting the 60 a day habit btw. I have

to admit I am learning something everyday: I just had to look

up " otolaryngologist " on the net!

I am feeling very positive about the surgery, and from what I have

read from other posts I think I am lucky in that my hearing loss is

only about 20-30% in one ear and 30-40% in the other and so it

doesn't really effect my day to day life at all - except my

girlfriend has to ask me to turn down the TV : )

>

> Hi Matt, and welcome to the group.

>

> I'm in England, too... down on the Garden Coast in the town of

Folkestone. I travel up to Ashford (Kent) to see Mr Fairley - an

otolaryngologist worth his weight in gold, I'm sure!

>

> Good luck with your treatment/surgery... just remember that

regardless of whatever's been posted, you're the patient this time,

so things may be different for you.

>

> All the best

>

> Kazzy :-)

>

>

> new guy

>

>

>

> Hi all!

>

> First off I must say this site has been really useful. I am a

24yr

> old guy from England, and was diagnosed with c-toma's in both

ears

> (yay!) a couple of months ago, and have been a 'wall-flower' on

the

> site reading and just learning more through all the postings -

you

> all have so much interesting and helpful info!

>

> I am lined up for my first surgery on my left (worse) ear - am

> having CWU - on 1st August. I am looking forward to it

strangely, as

> it will be nice to finally be getting something done about it

after

> 2 years of your standard ENT problems and hearing loss. I think

I am

> very very lucky as my new consultant seems brilliant and fills

me

> with confidence (Mr in Guildford, England).

>

> The weekend before my op, I am doing some mountain climbing

called

> the 3 peaks challenge - which involves attempting to climb the

three

> highest peaks in England (Scafell Pike), Wales (Snowdon) and

> Scotland (Ben Nevis) all within 24 hours (inc travel time)! I am

> really excited about it. I am doing it to raise money for the

RNID

> (a charity for the deaf and hard of hearing) - if anyone fancies

> sponsoring me on my justgiving site

> (www.justgiving.com/mattwheatley) that would be brilliant!

>

> Btw - on the smoking issue - I smoked from the age of 15 until I

was

> 19 and quit at uni. It was really difficult but if you start

> saying " I don't smoke " instead of " I am quitting " or " I am

cutting

> down " it helps - you gotta think of yourself as a non-smoker

rather

> than a smoker who hasn't had a cigarette in ages! Easier said

than

> done though definitely!

>

> Thanks all again for the info and advice and best of luck to all

> those awaiting surgery or trying to recover!

>

> Matt W

>

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome to the group. I’m

an Aussie as well. My ENT couldn’t do asprin desen. on me unfortunately.

Cheers

From: samters [mailto:samters ] On Behalf Of mickyz_70

Sent: Sunday, 25 February 2007

5:23 PM

samters

Subject: New guy

Heya fellow Samter's Triad affected people, just

wondering if any of

you are from Australia

and also if anyone has had the asprin

desensitization (is that how you spell it?), therapy and how it worked

out for you.

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I did the asa desens and thought that it worked incredibly well. Carol

New guy

Heya fellow Samter's Triad affected people, just wondering if any of you are from Australia and also if anyone has had the asprin desensitization (is that how you spell it?), therapy and how it worked out for you.

[Guest guest]

Jeff my weight is alot more then yours and I only do .5mgs of Arimidex every

other day. My last test I was to low 8 need to be near 20pg/ml. You sound like

your taking way to much and if your E2 is below 10 your doing damage to your

body over time. Please get your E2 tested I feel your Dr. is not up on what he

is doing. All you need is to keep your e2 between 10 to 30 best at 20. No

night time wood tells my your to low.

Jeff Hebert <afdstudios@...> wrote: Thank you all for the great

information on the group, I've been lurking and

reading for a few weeks. I had a couple of questions for you.

First, I'm a 38 year old male, and I had a lot of the symptoms typical of

Low T (not that I knew it then). I found a great doctor who helped my wife

with her hypothyroidism, and am taking testosterone cream and Arimidex (1mg

5x per week). Basically my doctor is telling me my low testosterone is

complicated by my weight (5'8 " and 230lbs to start, down to 218 or so now

after 6 weeks) so I'm on a low-carb diet. He said the Arimidex would help

stop my body from converting all the new testosterone from the cream into

estrogen, which would have made weight loss almost impossible.

When I first got tested in July, my overall testosterone count was 195

nanograms/dL. Free Testosterone was 9.75 picograms/mL. I didn't get an E2

level, just E1 (Estrone), which was 72pg/mL.

My questions are:

1. Is it all right that I didn't get an E2 level, or should I ask him

to order one for me?

2. I feel a lot better on the cream than I did before, but I still

don't get " morning wood " . Haven't for years. I don't have any other problems

in that arena, though, should I worry about that?

3. I don't really know what to expect long-term from all this. I'm

only 38, am I going to have to stay on Testosterone Replacement of some sort

forever? Or once I lose enough weight, will my body kind of kick it all back

into gear and get back in balance, and I won't have to take anything?

4. I don't really know what the " cause " is of the Low T. Is it just

being overweight? Or is there some underlying cause(s) I ought to be asking

my doctor about?

Thanks in advance for any insight you might be able to provide. A similar

list for hypothyroidism made a world of difference to my wife, she got so

much more information that has helped her get better there than any of the

other doctors she tried.

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Jeff,

I am about your same age and size. I saw tremendous weight loss

with just getting my T into a good range - abotu 40 lbs loss - with

just some diet changes. I haven't even started to work out!

What is your current T level? Are you primary or secondary? I

tried gels, patches, shots and Clomid and Clomid is the only thing

that I personally have found to be effective and sustaining.

Have you seen any muscle development in upper chest or arms or next

due to your T replacement?

My guess is that you are still low T and that the issue probably

right now isn't E2. If you can get your Free T into a great range

level, you should have more energy, convert fat to muscle and have a

vigourous life.

Blessings and glad you are here!

Bill

>

> Thank you all for the great information on the group, I've been

lurking and

> reading for a few weeks. I had a couple of questions for you.

>

> First, I'm a 38 year old male, and I had a lot of the symptoms

typical of

> Low T (not that I knew it then). I found a great doctor who helped

my wife

> with her hypothyroidism, and am taking testosterone cream and

Arimidex (1mg

> 5x per week). Basically my doctor is telling me my low

testosterone is

> complicated by my weight (5'8 " and 230lbs to start, down to 218 or

so now

> after 6 weeks) so I'm on a low-carb diet. He said the Arimidex

would help

> stop my body from converting all the new testosterone from the

cream into

> estrogen, which would have made weight loss almost impossible.

>

> When I first got tested in July, my overall testosterone count was

195

> nanograms/dL. Free Testosterone was 9.75 picograms/mL. I didn't

get an E2

> level, just E1 (Estrone), which was 72pg/mL.

>

> My questions are:

>

> 1. Is it all right that I didn't get an E2 level, or should I

ask him

> to order one for me?

> 2. I feel a lot better on the cream than I did before, but I

still

> don't get " morning wood " . Haven't for years. I don't have any

other problems

> in that arena, though, should I worry about that?

> 3. I don't really know what to expect long-term from all this.

I'm

> only 38, am I going to have to stay on Testosterone Replacement

of some sort

> forever? Or once I lose enough weight, will my body kind of

kick it all back

> into gear and get back in balance, and I won't have to take

anything?

> 4. I don't really know what the " cause " is of the Low T. Is it

just

> being overweight? Or is there some underlying cause(s) I ought

to be asking

> my doctor about?

>

> Thanks in advance for any insight you might be able to provide. A

similar

> list for hypothyroidism made a world of difference to my wife, she

got so

> much more information that has helped her get better there than

any of the

> other doctors she tried.

>

> Jeff

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 11/3/07, williamb11 <no_reply > wrote:

>

> Jeff,

>

> I am about your same age and size. I saw tremendous weight loss

> with just getting my T into a good range - abotu 40 lbs loss - with

> just some diet changes. I haven't even started to work out!

>

> What is your current T level? Are you primary or secondary? I

> tried gels, patches, shots and Clomid and Clomid is the only thing

> that I personally have found to be effective and sustaining.

>

> Have you seen any muscle development in upper chest or arms or next

> due to your T replacement?

>

> My guess is that you are still low T and that the issue probably

> right now isn't E2. If you can get your Free T into a great range

> level, you should have more energy, convert fat to muscle and have a

> vigourous life.

>

> Blessings and glad you are here!

> Bill

>

I am not scheduled for another blood test until December, so I don't know my

current T level. The weight loss has been much much slower than it usually

is when I diet, which is a bit concerning. I haven't seen any muscle

development at all.

Thanks for the welcome!

Jeff

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:20:32 -0500, you wrote:

>

>Thank you all for the great information on the group, I've been lurking and

>reading for a few weeks. I had a couple of questions for you.

>

>First, I'm a 38 year old male, and I had a lot of the symptoms typical of

>Low T (not that I knew it then). I found a great doctor who helped my wife

>with her hypothyroidism, and am taking testosterone cream and Arimidex (1mg

>5x per week). Basically my doctor is telling me my low testosterone is

>complicated by my weight (5'8 " and 230lbs to start, down to 218 or so now

>after 6 weeks) so I'm on a low-carb diet. He said the Arimidex would help

>stop my body from converting all the new testosterone from the cream into

>estrogen, which would have made weight loss almost impossible.

He's smart on that! But that dose of arimidex is huge. Way too much.

>When I first got tested in July, my overall testosterone count was 195

>nanograms/dL. Free Testosterone was 9.75 picograms/mL. I didn't get an E2

>level, just E1 (Estrone), which was 72pg/mL.

>

>My questions are:

>

> 1. Is it all right that I didn't get an E2 level, or should I ask him

> to order one for me?

No E1 tells you nothing useful, E2 is essential testing.

> 2. I feel a lot better on the cream than I did before, but I still

> don't get " morning wood " . Haven't for years. I don't have any other problems

> in that arena, though, should I worry about that?

I'd guess your E2 is actually too low. I mg five times a week is a lot

of arimidex. I take 1/4 tablet, (.25 mg. ) about 2 or three times a

week. You're taking 6 times that!

Having low E2 results in absolute zero libido, no wood etc. If you

stop arimidex your E2 should climb back after about 5 to 6 days.

> 3. I don't really know what to expect long-term from all this. I'm

> only 38, am I going to have to stay on Testosterone Replacement of some sort

> forever? Or once I lose enough weight, will my body kind of kick it all back

> into gear and get back in balance, and I won't have to take anything?

Depends on why you're low. WIth your weight it's possible you may just

have had high E2 and not need TRT. Aromatase the enzyme that converts

T to E2 is abundant in fat cells. And high E2 leads to more fat, so it

can make for quite a difficult time each reinforcing the other.

Some have found it's possible to boost T levels in overweight males

with high E2 by as much as 300 points by simply getting E2 in control.

But if the issue is damaged testicles, or damaged pituitary then TRT

for life is the likely outcome.

> 4. I don't really know what the " cause " is of the Low T. Is it just

> being overweight? Or is there some underlying cause(s) I ought to be asking

> my doctor about?

Your doctor should have tested prolactin levels and ordered an MRI to

look for small pituitary cancers. Other tests are essential also. FSH,

LSH. And a PSA (prostate) test before starting TRT is essential. Read

the AACE guidelines to learn what should be done:

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

>

>Thanks in advance for any insight you might be able to provide. A similar

>list for hypothyroidism made a world of difference to my wife, she got so

>much more information that has helped her get better there than any of the

>other doctors she tried.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Retro, that's good information.

Jeff

[Guest guest]

>

> :

> been reading posts for afew days and have lots of questio -- one at a

> time.

> I have been arguing with prostate cancer for ten years and had a

> catheter for the last 3. Tumor is the size of a golf ball but hasn't

> grown much in the last year and the pet scan shows no activite.

> February of 2005 a lump appeared near my vioce box by september ithad

> taken my voice and is now totally taken over my neck and is stopped my

> ability to swallow anything larger that a grain of rice. No chemo,

> radiation, surgery for a trach last August. I have used 1 droper full

> of Liquid Kelp for 20 years

>

> Question - Can I use Lugals topiclly on the tumor.

>

> Duke

>

Hi Duke

I've been reading lattely on the properties of Lugol's (iodine)

against Cancer. From what I read , you've been taken 1 full dropper of

Liquid Kelp since 20 years and still got prostate cancer 10 years ago ???

I read from Brownstein, Fletchas, or an other Dr that a simple

drop of Lugol (6.5mg) would prevent cancer in an healthy body and a

concentration between 13-100mg/day will make cancer regress

Do you know what is the concentration of iodine in your full dropper

of liquid kelp? Do you think liquid kelp in that dosage contain iodine

and iodide in sufficient concentration?

[Guest guest]

paudes:

Answers in Red------>

I've been reading lattely on the properties of Lugol's (iodine)against Cancer. From what I read , you've been taken 1 full dropper ofLiquid Kelp since 20 years and still got prostate cancer 10 years ago ???True

I read from Brownstein, Fletchas, or an other Dr that a simpledrop of Lugol (6.5mg) would prevent cancer in an healthy body and aconcentration between 13-100mg/day will make cancer regress I have read this to, recently. I didn't have that information ten years ago.

Do you know what is the concentration of iodine in your full dropperof liquid kelp? Do you think liquid kelp in that dosage contain iodineand iodide in sufficient concentration?There is about 1.6 mg.

Duke ---------------------------------> Hope your day goes well. 214-823-7070

iodine From: paudes@...Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:12:08 +0000Subject: Re: New guy

>> :> been reading posts for afew days and have lots of questio -- one at a > time.> I have been arguing with prostate cancer for ten years and had a > catheter for the last 3. Tumor is the size of a golf ball but hasn't > grown much in the last year and the pet scan shows no activite. > February of 2005 a lump appeared near my vioce box by september ithad > taken my voice and is now totally taken over my neck and is stopped my > ability to swallow anything larger that a grain of rice. No chemo, > radiation, surgery for a trach last August. I have used 1 droper full > of Liquid Kelp for 20 years> > Question - Can I use Lugals topiclly on the tumor.> > Duke>Hi DukeI've been reading lattely on the properties of Lugol's (iodine)against Cancer. From what I read , you've been taken 1 full dropper ofLiquid Kelp since 20 years and still got prostate cancer 10 years ago ???I read from Brownstein, Fletchas, or an other Dr that a simpledrop of Lugol (6.5mg) would prevent cancer in an healthy body and aconcentration between 13-100mg/day will make cancer regress Do you know what is the concentration of iodine in your full dropperof liquid kelp? Do you think liquid kelp in that dosage contain iodineand iodide in sufficient concentration? Test your Star IQ Play now!

[Guest guest]

Be careful with flaxseed oil for prostate issues. It can have an estrogenic

effect in men. 100 mgs of Iodoral or Lugol's liquid would be the first

place I would start. Liver detoxing, whole foods diet, limited sugars as

well. Get your Vit D levels checked because higher levels of Vit D are

cancer protective.

Re: New guy

>

>>

>> :

>> been reading posts for afew days and have lots of questio -- one at

> a

>> time.

>> I have been arguing with prostate cancer for ten years and had a

>> catheter for the last 3. Tumor is the size of a golf ball but

> hasn't

>> grown much in the last year and the pet scan shows no activite.

>> February of 2005 a lump appeared near my vioce box by september

> ithad

>> taken my voice and is now totally taken over my neck and is stopped

> my

>> ability to swallow anything larger that a grain of rice. No chemo,

>> radiation, surgery for a trach last August. I have used 1 droper

> full

>> of Liquid Kelp for 20 years

>>

>> Question - Can I use Lugals topiclly on the tumor.

>>

>> Duke

>

> Shay-

> Hi Duke, it sounds like you have been fighting a battle. Keep

> fighting

> it and don't be afraid to try new things. I just lost my brother in

> law to cancer. He took the chemo, surgery and radiation, but refused

> any alternative therapies. I researched the bulk of them, and iodine

> supplementation is very important. Brownstein treated one cancer

> patient with 100 mg per day of Lugol's and it helped her live a lot

> longer. I have also read about cesium chloride, CoQ10, and Flax

> oil.

> I would be taking ALL of them, as the combination would be much

> stronger than the individual components.

>

> Cesium Chloride should be top on your list, as it is very effective,

> even when chemo no longer works. It is not FDA approved, but only

> because it is not patentable, and big pharma can't profit from it.

> You can mix it in water and drink it.

>

> I put my lugols drops in coffee every day, and cannot even taste it.

> I would think swallowing the lugols would be much better than topical

> application, since you can get lots more into your system. Topical

> application probably allows very little absorbtion in comparison and

> would make the site of application sore after repeated application.

>

> You can mix the flax oil into chocolate milk or a Boost shake too.

>

>

> Get well soon,

>

> Shay

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Check out Poke Root tincture as well it reduces tumors and got rid of nodules in my son's neck... it is a blood purifier... Cleanse the liver and other organs, if diet is not already at least 75% raw for cleansing benefit, make some improvements, juicing is not optional... run do not walk to a good herbalist/naturopath for guidance... you must be as aggressive as what you are dealing with. www.lorraineday.com Is a good site to see among others I'm sure... she is an md that beat a horrid cancer sticking out of the middle of her breast bone... using cleansing and diet.. Check out the budwhig protocol of flax and cottage cheese...

Cheryl

Re: New guy

>> :> been reading posts for afew days and have lots of questio -- one at a > time.> I have been arguing with prostate cancer for ten years and had a > catheter for the last 3. Tumor is the size of a golf ball but hasn't > grown much in the last year and the pet scan shows no activite. > February of 2005 a lump appeared near my vioce box by september ithad > taken my voice and is now totally taken over my neck and is stopped my > ability to swallow anything larger that a grain of rice. No chemo, > radiation, surgery for a trach last August. I have used 1 droper full > of Liquid Kelp for 20 years> > Question - Can I use Lugals topiclly on the tumor.> > DukeShay-Hi Duke, it sounds like you have been fighting a battle. Keep fighting it and don't be afraid to try new things. I just lost my brother in law to cancer. He took the chemo, surgery and radiation, but refused any alternative therapies. I researched the bulk of them, and iodine supplementation is very important. Brownstein treated one cancer patient with 100 mg per day of Lugol's and it helped her live a lot longer. I have also read about cesium chloride, CoQ10, and Flax oil. I would be taking ALL of them, as the combination would be much stronger than the individual components. Cesium Chloride should be top on your list, as it is very effective, even when chemo no longer works. It is not FDA approved, but only because it is not patentable, and big pharma can't profit from it. You can mix it in water and drink it. I put my lugols drops in coffee every day, and cannot even taste it. I would think swallowing the lugols would be much better than topical application, since you can get lots more into your system. Topical application probably allows very little absorbtion in comparison and would make the site of application sore after repeated application. You can mix the flax oil into chocolate milk or a Boost shake too.Get well soon,Shay ------------------------------------

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Steph, it's not the plant source estrogenic elements that are the problem. They only have the precursors for the body to 'MAKE' estrogen. If it's not needed the body easily disposes of it. Its the xeno estrogens from plastics, fertilizers, pharm raised chickens etc. that attach to any receptor site that is causing the concern. Flax has a cleansing effect on the liver and therefore helps not harms in cancer issues.

Another thought is the birth control hormones that are in our public drinking water... switch to distilled water... you can get a distiller for about $100 and avoid the plastic bottles containing xeno estrogens at the grocery store. The big 5 gallon poly carbon bottles are less of a problem I hear.

Cheryl

Re: New guy> >>>> :>> been reading posts for afew days and have lots of questio -- one at> a>> time.>> I have been arguing with prostate cancer for ten years and had a>> catheter for the last 3. Tumor is the size of a golf ball but> hasn't>> grown much in the last year and the pet scan shows no activite.>> February of 2005 a lump appeared near my vioce box by september> ithad>> taken my voice and is now totally taken over my neck and is stopped> my>> ability to swallow anything larger that a grain of rice. No chemo,>> radiation, surgery for a trach last August. I have used 1 droper> full>> of Liquid Kelp for 20 years>>>> Question - Can I use Lugals topiclly on the tumor.>>>> Duke>> Shay-> Hi Duke, it sounds like you have been fighting a battle. Keep> fighting> it and don't be afraid to try new things. I just lost my brother in> law to cancer. He took the chemo, surgery and radiation, but refused> any alternative therapies. I researched the bulk of them, and iodine> supplementation is very important. Brownstein treated one cancer> patient with 100 mg per day of Lugol's and it helped her live a lot> longer. I have also read about cesium chloride, CoQ10, and Flax> oil.> I would be taking ALL of them, as the combination would be much> stronger than the individual components.>> Cesium Chloride should be top on your list, as it is very effective,> even when chemo no longer works. It is not FDA approved, but only> because it is not patentable, and big pharma can't profit from it.> You can mix it in water and drink it.>> I put my lugols drops in coffee every day, and cannot even taste it.> I would think swallowing the lugols would be much better than topical> application, since you can get lots more into your system. Topical> application probably allows very little absorbtion in comparison and> would make the site of application sore after repeated application.>> You can mix the flax oil into chocolate milk or a Boost shake too.>>> Get well soon,>> Shay>>>>> ------------------------------------>>>>>

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I just lost my brother in

law to cancer. He took the chemo, surgery and radiation, but refused

any alternative therapies.

Shay

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Shay:

Yes, and I don't plan to give up trying. I do flax oil every day for the last seven years, did a course of cesium chloride about three years ago and had no effect on anything. With a closing esophagus swallowing is difficult so getting enough nutrition is becoming harder but my new DO seem to be interested in my plight and in the last 45 days my general health seems to be getting better. The best part is he is on my insurance plan and my costs have dropped by 90% from using alternative practitioners.

Duke

iodine From: shay2384@...Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 04:41:58 +0000Subject: Re: New guy

>> :> been reading posts for afew days and have lots of questio -- one at a > time.> I have been arguing with prostate cancer for ten years and had a > catheter for the last 3. Tumor is the size of a golf ball but hasn't > grown much in the last year and the pet scan shows no activite. > February of 2005 a lump appeared near my vioce box by september ithad > taken my voice and is now totally taken over my neck and is stopped my > ability to swallow anything larger that a grain of rice. No chemo, > radiation, surgery for a trach last August. I have used 1 droper full > of Liquid Kelp for 20 years> > Question - Can I use Lugals topiclly on the tumor.> > DukeShay-Hi Duke, it sounds like you have been fighting a battle. Keep fighting it and don't be afraid to try new things. I just lost my brother in law to cancer. He took the chemo, surgery and radiation, but refused any alternative therapies. I researched the bulk of them, and iodine supplementation is very important. Brownstein treated one cancer patient with 100 mg per day of Lugol's and it helped her live a lot longer. I have also read about cesium chloride, CoQ10, and Flax oil. I would be taking ALL of them, as the combination would be much stronger than the individual components. Cesium Chloride should be top on your list, as it is very effective, even when chemo no longer works. It is not FDA approved, but only because it is not patentable, and big pharma can't profit from it. You can mix it in water and drink it. I put my lugols drops in coffee every day, and cannot even taste it. I would think swallowing the lugols would be much better than topical application, since you can get lots more into your system. Topical application probably allows very little absorbtion in comparison and would make the site of application sore after repeated application. You can mix the flax oil into chocolate milk or a Boost shake too.Get well soon,Shay Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.

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I have spent a lot on lab work in the last ten years and I an OK on everything - high on D and low on all the estrogen markers. Have had the prescription Lugal's now for three weeks and have already seen change in energy.

Question --- How do you maintain good flora in the gut with that much iodine. That was why I was asking about topical application.

Duke ---------------------------------> Hope your day goes well. 214-823-7070

iodine From: ladybugsandbees@...Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:24:32 -0400Subject: Re: Re: New guy

Be careful with flaxseed oil for prostate issues. It can have an estrogenic effect in men. 100 mgs of Iodoral or Lugol's liquid would be the first place I would start. Liver detoxing, whole foods diet, limited sugars as well. Get your Vit D levels checked because higher levels of Vit D are cancer protective. Re: New guy> >>>> :>> been reading posts for afew days and have lots of questio -- one at> a>> time.>> I have been arguing with prostate cancer for ten years and had a>> catheter for the last 3. Tumor is the size of a golf ball but> hasn't>> grown much in the last year and the pet scan shows no activite.>> February of 2005 a lump appeared near my vioce box by september> ithad>> taken my voice and is now totally taken over my neck and is stopped> my>> ability to swallow anything larger that a grain of rice. No chemo,>> radiation, surgery for a trach last August. I have used 1 droper> full>> of Liquid Kelp for 20 years>>>> Question - Can I use Lugals topiclly on the tumor.>>>> Duke>> Shay-> Hi Duke, it sounds like you have been fighting a battle. Keep> fighting> it and don't be afraid to try new things. I just lost my brother in> law to cancer. He took the chemo, surgery and radiation, but refused> any alternative therapies. I researched the bulk of them, and iodine> supplementation is very important. Brownstein treated one cancer> patient with 100 mg per day of Lugol's and it helped her live a lot> longer. I have also read about cesium chloride, CoQ10, and Flax> oil.> I would be taking ALL of them, as the combination would be much> stronger than the individual components.>> Cesium Chloride should be top on your list, as it is very effective,> even when chemo no longer works. It is not FDA approved, but only> because it is not patentable, and big pharma can't profit from it.> You can mix it in water and drink it.>> I put my lugols drops in coffee every day, and cannot even taste it.> I would think swallowing the lugols would be much better than topical> application, since you can get lots more into your system. Topical> application probably allows very little absorbtion in comparison and> would make the site of application sore after repeated application.>> You can mix the flax oil into chocolate milk or a Boost shake too.>>> Get well soon,>> Shay>>>>> ------------------------------------>>>>>

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Cheryl:

Pole Root is new to me. did you use it as a topical or ingest it. Do you have a idea about amounts to use.

I have bought both of Lorain days taps about eight years ago and have track her ever since. She is a survivor. and now in her mid seventies but I have yet been unable to find one person that has gotten well by just following the limited instructions that she offers. I have been consuming lots of veg juice for over thirty years.

Duke ---------------------------------> Hope your day goes well. 214-823-7070

iodine From: VoicePrints@...Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:18:32 -0400Subject: Re: Re: New guy

Check out Poke Root tincture as well it reduces tumors and got rid of nodules in my son's neck... it is a blood purifier... Cleanse the liver and other organs, if diet is not already at least 75% raw for cleansing benefit, make some improvements, juicing is not optional... run do not walk to a good herbalist/naturopath for guidance... you must be as aggressive as what you are dealing with. www.lorraineday.com Is a good site to see among others I'm sure... she is an md that beat a horrid cancer sticking out of the middle of her breast bone... using cleansing and diet.. Check out the budwhig protocol of flax and cottage cheese...

Cheryl

Re: New guy

>> :> been reading posts for afew days and have lots of questio -- one at a > time.> I have been arguing with prostate cancer for ten years and had a > catheter for the last 3. Tumor is the size of a golf ball but hasn't > grown much in the last year and the pet scan shows no activite. > February of 2005 a lump appeared near my vioce box by september ithad > taken my voice and is now totally taken over my neck and is stopped my > ability to swallow anything larger that a grain of rice. No chemo, > radiation, surgery for a trach last August. I have used 1 droper full > of Liquid Kelp for 20 years> > Question - Can I use Lugals topiclly on the tumor.> > DukeShay-Hi Duke, it sounds like you have been fighting a battle. Keep fighting it and don't be afraid to try new things. I just lost my brother in law to cancer. He took the chemo, surgery and radiation, but refused any alternative therapies. I researched the bulk of them, and iodine supplementation is very important. Brownstein treated one cancer patient with 100 mg per day of Lugol's and it helped her live a lot longer. I have also read about cesium chloride, CoQ10, and Flax oil. I would be taking ALL of them, as the combination would be much stronger than the individual components. Cesium Chloride should be top on your list, as it is very effective, even when chemo no longer works. It is not FDA approved, but only because it is not patentable, and big pharma can't profit from it. You can mix it in water and drink it. I put my lugols drops in coffee every day, and cannot even taste it. I would think swallowing the lugols would be much better than topical application, since you can get lots more into your system. Topical application probably allows very little absorbtion in comparison and would make the site of application sore after repeated application. You can mix the flax oil into chocolate milk or a Boost shake too.Get well soon,Shay ------------------------------------

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Hi Duke

I don't know if you have noticed the discussions of

Nascent iodine that have occurred here but would that

type of iodine be of interested to you? It is very

different in that many folks who use it find that

small amounts of iodine in the nascent state work very

well for them.

When I read your emails I thought of a really good

way that you could use it. That is by letting it

absorb into the soft tissue of the mouth. 5 to 10

drops of nascent iodine in an ounce of water, held in

the mouth for a few minutes would allow it to get into

the soft tissue of the mouth and therefore the

bloodstream.

5 drops is only 1 mg of iodine but it is in the

nascent state, that is as an atom rather than as a

molecule. It is very active. A guy over on a

different iodine net, who works very often with

different types of iodine, got a bottle of the nascent

iodine. He desided to try 40 drops or 8 mgs of the

nascent iodine in water. He said that it hit him like

a couple of hundred mgs of Lugols.

If yoiu are interested in trying the nascent iodine

contact me at john@... .

Duke I hope that you find something to help you are

putting up a heck of a fight.

--- Duke Stone <dukestone@...> wrote:

> Shay:

> Yes, and I don't plan to give up trying. I do flax

> oil every day for the last seven years, did a course

> of cesium chloride about three years ago and had no

> effect on anything. With a closing esophagus

> swallowing is difficult so getting enough nutrition

> is becoming harder but my new DO seem to be

> interested in my plight and in the last 45 days my

> general health seems to be getting better. The best

> part is he is on my insurance plan and my costs have

> dropped by 90% from using alternative practitioners.

> Duke

>

>

> iodine@...:

> shay2384@...: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 04:41:58

> +0000Subject: Re: New guy

>

>

>

>

> >> :> been reading

> posts for afew days and have lots of questio -- one

> at a > time.> I have been arguing with prostate

> cancer for ten years and had a > catheter for the

> last 3. Tumor is the size of a golf ball but hasn't

> > grown much in the last year and the pet scan shows

> no activite. > February of 2005 a lump appeared near

> my vioce box by september ithad > taken my voice and

> is now totally taken over my neck and is stopped my

> > ability to swallow anything larger that a grain of

> rice. No chemo, > radiation, surgery for a trach

> last August. I have used 1 droper full > of Liquid

> Kelp for 20 years> > Question - Can I use Lugals

> topiclly on the tumor.> > DukeShay-Hi Duke, it

> sounds like you have been fighting a battle. Keep

> fighting it and don't be afraid to try new things. I

> just lost my brother in law to cancer. He took the

> chemo, surgery and radiation, but refused any

> alternative therapies. I researched the bulk of

> them, and iodine supplementation is very important.

> Brownstein treated one cancer patient with 100 mg

> per day of Lugol's and it helped her live a lot

> longer. I have also read about cesium chloride,

> CoQ10, and Flax oil. I would be taking ALL of them,

> as the combination would be much stronger than the

> individual components. Cesium Chloride should be top

> on your list, as it is very effective, even when

> chemo no longer works. It is not FDA approved, but

> only because it is not patentable, and big pharma

> can't profit from it. You can mix it in water and

> drink it. I put my lugols drops in coffee every day,

> and cannot even taste it. I would think swallowing

> the lugols would be much better than topical

> application, since you can get lots more into your

> system. Topical application probably allows very

> little absorbtion in comparison and would make the

> site of application sore after repeated application.

> You can mix the flax oil into chocolate milk or a

> Boost shake too.Get well soon,Shay

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi all

I am also new and planning to start taking iodine. product I have has potassium iodide only.It has 25 mg of potassium iodide (19 mg iodide) per drop. I hope that is a suitable product to use.I have severe adrenal fatigue and on adrenal support.Also have goiter and nodules.How should I start it? I am thinking 1 drop might be too much for a start. Planning to prepare a solution of 1 drop of it in water and taking one forth of it as a start. Would you think that is okay for starting? I am also recently diagnosed with kidney insufficiency problems. Would iodine treatment effect it in any way?

Best wishes to all

nil