arimidex

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:12:26 -0700, you wrote:

>Body fat really is a big factor isn't? I had an endo who told me losing

>weight was all I needed to do to get my E2 under control. I don't have a

>lot of respect for her, but maybe she's right.

Except of course high E2 makes it very hard to do both physiologically

and mentally. It saps your energy and leads to fat deposition.

Getting E2 in control first makes it far easier.

________________

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Terence

[Guest guest]

some doctors make it feel like you are in the wrrong all the time and its simple

choices

my nirse wants me to exercis 30 mins a day,fine bit where do i get the energy to

do so

when i use to work they were all physical moving and lifting jobs,but still i

was overwieght,even moving 100 kilo macihines and even heavoer fridges my weight

has geneerally been high

i had thouhgn about 2 yrs at 19/20 where my weight went down ton normal for

height but i still had depession/stress all my concentrations and lethargy

issues and in fact had my first breakdown while at that perfect weight,so to

tell me

" you will have more energy,be able to do more concetrate/sex and so on by

liosing the weight " i know in my case thats does not happen becasue the issues

are not just weight gain,weright gain is a sypmtom ofmy other issues and not the

cause.

i managed 2 mins of walking and running on spot other day,she said i need to do

15 mins or so just keep going

for a start my attention deficit means doing anything for much more than 2 mins

is difucult so she is not taking thayt into account,secondly i am in pain and

tired out after 2 mins.

again she says do this daily,well for me its just when my midn thinks of it,so

yesterday i did it,but otherrs days i am doing pothers things,as i find doing

all daily tasks hard so mionday i may shave/tuesday may have a wash,wednedsday

may now do 5 mins exericse but thats it

doing all is very idffuclt

if i had the enrgy anfd concetration then i wiuld not have any issues with

weight/stress and general day to day living but people dont understand i find

its just being lazy or making exsuses not to just do this,they forget what your

blood results and other diagnositics are showing

regards paul

Re: Re: Arimidex

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:12:26 -0700, you wrote:

>Body fat really is a big factor isn't? I had an endo who told me losing

>weight was all I needed to do to get my E2 under control. I don't have a

>lot of respect for her, but maybe she's right.

Except of course high E2 makes it very hard to do both physiologically

and mentally. It saps your energy and leads to fat deposition.

Getting E2 in control first makes it far easier.

____________ ____

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:19:26 -0000, you wrote:

>.

>>

>> >* He believes that high estrogen brings a high risk of prostate

>> >cancer. As this becomes accepted by the medical community, he

>> >suspects that most men in the future will be on Arimidex as a

>> >prophylactic against prostate cancer.

>>

>> The research says this. How doe she put this together with his

>> reservations above?

>>

>

>His reservations on the use of Arimidex are in conjunction with TRT.

>He seems to have few reservations when used without TRT.

Is he aware without E2 management TRT patients all to often get

Gynecomastia, breast development. For decades this was considered a

" normal " side effect and they'd do surgical removal rather than E2

management.

ly I find it bizarre that he'd not support it in TRT where it

gets elevated, but think without TRT it'd be okay because usually

without TRT the levels are lower to start with.

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Terence

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:46:10 -0000, you wrote:

>

>> >>

>> >

>> >> Now that is interesting. SO phil is right- E2 convinces the HPG

>Axis

>> >> that it has enough T and so slows LH.

>> >>

>> >

>> > That's pretty much common knowledge, at least among the

>people

>> >that know it. How's that for a self-contradicting statement?

>>

>>

>> I'd hear it recently but I've never seen any science to support it.

>> I'm a verify kind of guy. We have lots of theories and assumptions

>> pass through here that don't stand up under closer scrutiny.

>>

>> I was raised a scientist. I need the studies.

>>

>

>

>You need science? Well, I'm not going to read all the studies since

>I seem to have been convinced of this even before the Arimidex has

>proved it in practice for me, but here's a head start for you with

>articles and abstracts on the web, all containing further references:

>

> " Overall view of negative feedback inhibition by testosterone "

>http://www.pumpedmag.com/articles/fall05/02text.htm

>

>R J Santen, Is aromatization of testosterone to estradiol required

>for inhibition of luteinizing hormone secretion in men?, J Clin

>Invest. 1975 December; 56(6): 1555–1563.

>http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/botrender.fcgi?

>blobtype=html & artid=333134

>

>J. A. Schnorr2, M. J. Bray and J. D. Veldhuis, Aromatization

>Mediates Testosterone's Short-Term Feedback Restraint of 24-Hour

>Endogenously Driven and Acute Exogenous Gonadotropin-Releasing

>Hormone-Stimulated Luteinizing Hormone and Follicle-Stimulating

>Hormone Secretion in Young Men, The Journal of Clinical

>Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 86, No. 6 2600-2606,

>http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/86/6/2600. Search in

>this abstract for " excessive estrogen delivery represses

>gonadotropin secretion in the human "

>

>See extensive list of abstracts on male hormone modulation at

>http://www.lef.org/protocols/abstracts/abstr-txt/t-abstr-130.html

Oh thanks for the work.

I only meant generally. I was convinced by first statement. I had not

seen anything supporting the idea until then, was all.

I just generally need to see some support for ideas and contentions.

Over time lots of us here develop our own theories, ideas, etc. for

what may be happening is all I meant to convey. Occasionally these are

entirely conjecture, but over time take on a life of their own. I've

seen a few become " common wisdom " in the group because someone repeats

them, and what started as conjecture becomes through repetition a

" known truth " . Hence I like to see at least some basis for things.

I appreciate the work. I will file them away.

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Terence

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>

> >Body fat really is a big factor isn't? I had an endo who told me

losing

> >weight was all I needed to do to get my E2 under control. I

don't have a

> >lot of respect for her, but maybe she's right.

>

>

> Except of course high E2 makes it very hard to do both

physiologically

> and mentally. It saps your energy and leads to fat deposition.

>

> Getting E2 in control first makes it far easier.

You've got that right.

When I was diagnosed with obstructive sleep apnea many years

ago, my doc told me that if I lost 20-30 pounds there would be a

good chance the condition would go away. But you can't lose weight

if you're too tired to exercise and there was no good reason to

delay treatment of what was out of whack. So my doc did the right

thing and got me on CPAP treatment right away.

Losing weight is not an easy thing to do, and there is no honor

or nobility in trying to do it with will power alone, when

statistics show that just doesn't cut it. This is why I decided to

really get things under control with the lapband.

The endo should stop waiting for her patient to lose weight and

instead help get the E2 and T in line so that it will be easier to

do so.

Bob

[Guest guest]

I've read that bit about Estrogen being the real culprit in Prostate Cancer

before. I believe it was on Dr Mirkin's site. He's pretty cautious about

saying anything unless there are multiple journal references and research to

cite in backing his articles.

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On Behalf Of rtolz

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:50 AM

Subject: Re: Arimidex

>

> Agreed with your take on body fat, its one of the few things that

> make some sense. At any rate, Bob had a lapband done and is down 100

> lbs. If he keeps losing weight, he may drop down to a normal BMI,

and

> I'd be very curious to see if he can still keep taking 1mg doses of

> Arimidex per day at that point.

> Rich

>

Just got back from my appointment. The doc certainly agrees that the

body fat is a major source of the aromatase problem. He doesn't

usually run into people who have gotten as good a hold on the obesity

problem as I have so doesn't have experience in what happens as I get

into normal BMI territory. His guess is that we won't have to change

very much at all, but we'll be monitoring things monthly.

As for this month's results, you may recall that last month my T was

up at 617. One month later, I'm at 826. This is with a range of 241-

827 ng/dL. My E2 is being retested, because the lab didn't use the

correct methodology as requested.

So, things are looking just hunky-dory for me. Doc says I'm the

champion among all his patients the way my T level has responded and

that I should thank my testicles. I said, " Thank you, thank you. "

One for each gonad.

I engaged him in a little bit of conversation to explore some of the

discussions we've been having here....

* This regimen of Arimidex instead of TRT is not for people whose

testicles don't work or whose HPG axis is nonresponsive. This is a

very small percentage of men (though probably a population that's well-

represented here in this group).

* He is vigorously against the use of Arimidex in conjunction with

TRT. He says that, especially for those who have been on lengthy TRT,

the HPG axis is messed up, and when you introduce Arimidex there's too

great a risk of E2 going too low, which will then introduce other

problems such as the risk of osteoporosis.

* He believes that high estrogen brings a high risk of prostate

cancer. As this becomes accepted by the medical community, he

suspects that most men in the future will be on Arimidex as a

prophylactic against prostate cancer.

Bob

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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:08:49 -0000, you wrote:

> Losing weight is not an easy thing to do, and there is no honor

>or nobility in trying to do it with will power alone, when

>statistics show that just doesn't cut it.

Particularly when body chemistry is robbing you of the essentials of

will power.

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Terence

[Guest guest]

Well, that's why I have so little respect for that endo...she nearly put me

in a coma for undertreatment of thyroid after surgically removing it for

cancer. Then when testosterone issues came up, she essentially blew me off

telling me to lose weight. Gee...tell a fat guy, who's fat because you

undertreated his thyroid replacment that he needs to lose weight and offer

nothing to help...there's great medicine for you. ;-)

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of retrogrouch@...

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:04 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Arimidex

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:12:26 -0700, you wrote:

>Body fat really is a big factor isn't? I had an endo who told me losing

>weight was all I needed to do to get my E2 under control. I don't have a

>lot of respect for her, but maybe she's right.

Except of course high E2 makes it very hard to do both physiologically

and mentally. It saps your energy and leads to fat deposition.

Getting E2 in control first makes it far easier.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

.

> >>

> >> >* He believes that high estrogen brings a high risk of

prostate

> >> >cancer. As this becomes accepted by the medical community, he

> >> >suspects that most men in the future will be on Arimidex as a

> >> >prophylactic against prostate cancer.

> >>

> >> The research says this. How doe she put this together with his

> >> reservations above?

> >>

> >

> >His reservations on the use of Arimidex are in conjunction with

TRT.

> >He seems to have few reservations when used without TRT.

>

>

> Is he aware without E2 management TRT patients all to often get

> Gynecomastia, breast development. For decades this was considered a

> " normal " side effect and they'd do surgical removal rather than E2

> management.

>

> ly I find it bizarre that he'd not support it in TRT where it

> gets elevated, but think without TRT it'd be okay because usually

> without TRT the levels are lower to start with.

>

>

Hey, I don't want to get him in trouble by putting my words in

his mouth. I've probably overgeneralized what he would say. To be

more specific, the only thing I really know is that he did not want

me to be on Arimidex at the same time as TRT, and wanted me to clear

the exogenous T out of my system before starting Arimidex.

Bob

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:22:09 -0000, you wrote:

>

> Hey, I don't want to get him in trouble by putting my words in

>his mouth. I've probably overgeneralized what he would say. To be

>more specific, the only thing I really know is that he did not want

>me to be on Arimidex at the same time as TRT, and wanted me to clear

>the exogenous T out of my system before starting Arimidex.

Ah. That makes sense. I think because your issue is one of weight and

you can have natural T production he wants to start from a natural

baseline and focus on E2 to get your T levels up. I suspect if you had

primary or a pituitary inability to make T, he'd feel differently.

It definitely sounds like you've got a good informed endo. Lucky you.

Can we clone him?

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Terence

[Guest guest]

never a truer thing said

but how many times medical people dont get the fact some of us have so little

energy/willpower that the exercise does not come easy

if 0our hormones had been helped yrs ago we would not be in a mess now

regards paul

Re: Re: Arimidex

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:08:49 -0000, you wrote:

> Losing weight is not an easy thing to do, and there is no honor

>or nobility in trying to do it with will power alone, when

>statistics show that just doesn't cut it.

Particularly when body chemistry is robbing you of the essentials of

will power.

____________ ____

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

>

>

> It definitely sounds like you've got a good informed endo. Lucky you.

> Can we clone him?

>

I'll see what I can do about the cloning. Actually, he's a " uro "

not an " endo. "

Not only is he informed, but he is open. He said that if I ever

hear of any studies involving Arimidex use with men to send it to

him. So, if anybody has any references on hand, I'd appreciate the

heads up so I can do the same for him.

Bob

[Guest guest]

That is something that is lacking I think.

The standard Arimidex dose is far to big for men.

I am doing a speech to some nurses here in the IK in a couple of weeks, at a

symposium being run by a drug company over here. You may be sure I will be

bringing Aromatase inhibitors up.

At least then it will be in the open.

Cheers

Nick

Nick O'Hara

Author: The Testosterone Deficiency Centre

www.androids.org.uk

Associate Editor

The Testicular Cancer Resource Centre

www.acor.org/tcrc

Re: Arimidex

>

>

> It definitely sounds like you've got a good informed endo. Lucky you.

> Can we clone him?

>

I'll see what I can do about the cloning. Actually, he's a " uro "

not an " endo. "

Not only is he informed, but he is open. He said that if I ever hear

of any studies involving Arimidex use with men to send it to him. So, if

anybody has any references on hand, I'd appreciate the heads up so I can do

the same for him.

Bob

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:38:46 -0000, you wrote:

>

>

>>

>

>

>>

>> It definitely sounds like you've got a good informed endo. Lucky you.

>> Can we clone him?

>>

>

> I'll see what I can do about the cloning. Actually, he's a " uro "

>not an " endo. "

You know as odd as it may seem most of the good docs on this issue are

urologists. The endos seem to spend most of their time on diabetes,

thyroid and female issues to be up to date on T issues.

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Terence

[Guest guest]

Well, that kind of makes sense. Diabetes is so rampant in this country that

Endos must be overwhelmed with patients for that, and for women thryoid

issues, though honestly, most endos suck as much in dealing with thryoid as

they do testosterone. Uros see a lot of men with plumbing problems directly

influenced by the hormones.

I've learned over the years that D.O.'s tend to be the best docs for

treating the patient. They're the most likely to listen to your symptoms

and not just chase a lab number.

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of retrogrouch@...

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:09 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Arimidex

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:38:46 -0000, you wrote:

>

>

>>

>

>

>>

>> It definitely sounds like you've got a good informed endo. Lucky you.

>> Can we clone him?

>>

>

> I'll see what I can do about the cloning. Actually, he's a " uro "

>not an " endo. "

You know as odd as it may seem most of the good docs on this issue are

urologists. The endos seem to spend most of their time on diabetes,

thyroid and female issues to be up to date on T issues.

________________

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Terence

[Guest guest]

I have often found it odd that most of us seem to be able to control our E2 with

very low levels of armidex. When you look at the various studies that were

performed with elderly men, they are taking 1 mg (whole pill) daily or EOD and

the reports say their E2 dropped to ~ half of what it was originally. Yet, many

of us report our E2 going too low even on 0.25 mgs (fourth of a pill) even

weekly.

Any thoughts?

Arkansas

I am 83 now and .25mg of Arimidex over a 10 day pereiod is enoiugh to keep my

E2 down, how do you figure that? I think I am the oldest on this forem if I am

not

mistaken too. Boy I couldn't handle 1 mg daily any way as you can see. I tried

.25 mg weekly and my E2 went down to 6, can you believe it? No thoughts!!!!!

Blessings,

Roy

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>

>

> I am 83 now and .25mg of Arimidex over a 10 day pereiod is

enoiugh to keep my

> E2 down, how do you figure that? I think I am the oldest on this

forem if I am not

> mistaken too. Boy I couldn't handle 1 mg daily any way as you

can see. I tried

> .25 mg weekly and my E2 went down to 6, can you believe it? No

thoughts!!!!!

> Blessings,

> Roy

Roy,

Are you also on testosterone supplementation at the same time as

taking Arimidex?

Bob

[Guest guest]

Hi Roy so how is it with you I am doing a lower dose of T shots now and my

Arimidex has been dam hard to balance I had to stop 5 days ago when to low.

This morning it was up and so hard for so long I was getting worried. :-)

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

I have often found it odd that most of us seem to be able to control

our E2 with very low levels of armidex. When you look at the various studies

that were performed with elderly men, they are taking 1 mg (whole pill) daily or

EOD and the reports say their E2 dropped to ~ half of what it was originally.

Yet, many of us report our E2 going too low even on 0.25 mgs (fourth of a pill)

even weekly.

Any thoughts?

Arkansas

I am 83 now and .25mg of Arimidex over a 10 day pereiod is enoiugh to keep my

E2 down, how do you figure that? I think I am the oldest on this forem if I am

not

mistaken too. Boy I couldn't handle 1 mg daily any way as you can see. I tried

..25 mg weekly and my E2 went down to 6, can you believe it? No thoughts!!!!!

Blessings,

Roy

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I take half of a 1 mg pill on day of weekly T shot and the other half 3 days

later. Last blood test E ok. I will test again in future.

Bill

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Hi Roy so how is it with you I am doing a lower dose of T shots now

and my Arimidex has been dam hard to balance I had to stop 5 days ago when to

low. This morning it was up and so hard for so long I was getting worried. :-)

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

I have often found it odd that most of us seem to be able to control our E2 with

very low levels of armidex. When you look at the various studies that were

performed with elderly men, they are taking 1 mg (whole pill) daily or EOD and

the reports say their E2 dropped to ~ half of what it was originally. Yet, many

of us report our E2 going too low even on 0.25 mgs (fourth of a pill) even

weekly.

Any thoughts?

Arkansas

I am 83 now and .25mg of Arimidex over a 10 day pereiod is enoiugh to keep my

E2 down, how do you figure that? I think I am the oldest on this forem if I am

not

mistaken too. Boy I couldn't handle 1 mg daily any way as you can see. I tried

..25 mg weekly and my E2 went down to 6, can you believe it? No thoughts!!!!!

Blessings,

Roy

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Roy,

Are you also on testosterone supplementation at the same time as

taking Arimidex?

Bob

Yes I am on .37 ml every week and have been for over 20 years

now. I didn't realize that just taking T shots would eventually wear

off and didn't know why when it did. I only found out on this group

that it makes your E2 rise and caused ED also. I couldn't

function with out T. I was on .75 ml every two weeks but it gave

me a high and low so cut it in half and went on once weekly

that is much better. I know some take shots twice a week but

I can't have sex that often at this age lol. I had a little problem

getting the right balance but have got it down pretty well now.

Taking Cialis I can get ME every so often now too which is

what I was looking for. Arimidex took the E2 down ok.

Blessings,

Roy

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[Guest guest]

Hi Roy so how is it with you I am doing a lower dose of T shots now and my

Arimidex has been dam hard to balance I had to stop 5 days ago when to low. This

morning it was up and so hard for so long I was getting worried. :-)

Phil

Hey there Phil,

I haven't been on for awhile, lightening took out my computer, air

conditioning the

furnace and my surround sound. TV and VCR got by ok. There was distant thunder

and I thought nothing of it until a bolt of lightening lit up my living room

and my

bedroom where the wife was. There was no thunder just a crack of lightening.

So have been off here for a week, I nearly fell on my ass when it hit! ).

I am due to go back and get more test Phil but I am assuming things are pretty

close because I am having erections fairly often with the Cialis added and

since

I m getting them I am assuming he E2 is pretty close. I have found that I need

to be at the top end of the scale on Total T and my blood test show that it is

fine, so things are looking up. I couldn't handle more sex than once a week

though so I won't go to 2 shots a week lol. I wish mine got that hard, oh boy

I think I would go to work (play that is). ) It will just not stay up

without the

ring though but thats ok, at least with teasing it comes up.

Roy

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[Guest guest]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:01:18 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Roy,

>Are you also on testosterone supplementation at the same time as

>taking Arimidex?

>Bob

>

>Yes I am on .37 ml every week and have been for over 20 years

> now. I didn't realize that just taking T shots would eventually wear

> off and didn't know why when it did. I only found out on this group

> that it makes your E2 rise and caused ED also. I couldn't

> function with out T. I was on .75 ml every two weeks but it gave

> me a high and low so cut it in half and went on once weekly

> that is much better.

What strength are you using? 200 mg?

> I know some take shots twice a week but

> I can't have sex that often at this age lol. I had a little problem

> getting the right balance but have got it down pretty well now.

> Taking Cialis I can get ME every so often now too which is

> what I was looking for. Arimidex took the E2 down ok.

________________

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Terence

[Guest guest]

Wow what luck I hope your insurance covers this. Yes sounds like your doing

good and in time it can get much better. I think now you could try HCG 250 IU's

the 5th and 6th days after your T shot and see if this makes you feel as good as

it makes me feel.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Hi Roy so how is it with you I am doing a lower dose of T shots now

and my Arimidex has been dam hard to balance I had to stop 5 days ago when to

low. This morning it was up and so hard for so long I was getting worried. :-)

Phil

Hey there Phil,

I haven't been on for awhile, lightening took out my computer, air conditioning

the

furnace and my surround sound. TV and VCR got by ok. There was distant thunder

and I thought nothing of it until a bolt of lightening lit up my living room and

my

bedroom where the wife was. There was no thunder just a crack of lightening.

So have been off here for a week, I nearly fell on my ass when it hit! ).

I am due to go back and get more test Phil but I am assuming things are pretty

close because I am having erections fairly often with the Cialis added and since

I m getting them I am assuming he E2 is pretty close. I have found that I need

to be at the top end of the scale on Total T and my blood test show that it is

fine, so things are looking up. I couldn't handle more sex than once a week

though so I won't go to 2 shots a week lol. I wish mine got that hard, oh boy

I think I would go to work (play that is). ) It will just not stay up without

the

ring though but thats ok, at least with teasing it comes up.

Roy

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[Guest guest]

Phil, I'll bet that's a worry many of us wouldn't mind having! ;-)

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Roy

Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:15 PM

Subject: Re: Arimidex

Hi Roy so how is it with you I am doing a lower dose of T shots now and my

Arimidex has been dam hard to balance I had to stop 5 days ago when to low.

This morning it was up and so hard for so long I was getting worried. :-)

Phil

Hey there Phil,

I haven't been on for awhile, lightening took out my computer, air

conditioning the

furnace and my surround sound. TV and VCR got by ok. There was distant

thunder

and I thought nothing of it until a bolt of lightening lit up my living room

and my

bedroom where the wife was. There was no thunder just a crack of lightening.

So have been off here for a week, I nearly fell on my ass when it hit! ).

I am due to go back and get more test Phil but I am assuming things are

pretty

close because I am having erections fairly often with the Cialis added and

since

I m getting them I am assuming he E2 is pretty close. I have found that I

need

to be at the top end of the scale on Total T and my blood test show that it

is

fine, so things are looking up. I couldn't handle more sex than once a week

though so I won't go to 2 shots a week lol. I wish mine got that hard, oh

boy

I think I would go to work (play that is). ) It will just not stay up

without the

ring though but thats ok, at least with teasing it comes up.

Roy

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Yes I do I found Roy at WebMD he had bad ED and could not reach an orgasm I went

through this for 10 yrs. until I joined here and read about high E2 in men. So

now I gauge my day by my wood. :-)

Phil

Dave <groups@...> wrote:

Phil, I'll bet that's a worry many of us wouldn't mind having! ;-)

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Roy

Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:15 PM

Subject: Re: Arimidex

Hi Roy so how is it with you I am doing a lower dose of T shots now and my

Arimidex has been dam hard to balance I had to stop 5 days ago when to low.

This morning it was up and so hard for so long I was getting worried. :-)

Phil

Hey there Phil,

I haven't been on for awhile, lightening took out my computer, air

conditioning the

furnace and my surround sound. TV and VCR got by ok. There was distant

thunder

and I thought nothing of it until a bolt of lightening lit up my living room

and my

bedroom where the wife was. There was no thunder just a crack of lightening.

So have been off here for a week, I nearly fell on my ass when it hit! ).

I am due to go back and get more test Phil but I am assuming things are

pretty

close because I am having erections fairly often with the Cialis added and

since

I m getting them I am assuming he E2 is pretty close. I have found that I

need

to be at the top end of the scale on Total T and my blood test show that it

is

fine, so things are looking up. I couldn't handle more sex than once a week

though so I won't go to 2 shots a week lol. I wish mine got that hard, oh

boy

I think I would go to work (play that is). ) It will just not stay up

without the

ring though but thats ok, at least with teasing it comes up.

Roy

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