arimidex

[Guest guest]

Probably.

We don't treat bodyvbuilders, but aging men in our Longevity Center. Hence we

are using 100 - 200 mg/week of testoterone cyprionate. 1-2 mg/week of

Arimidex seems to be more than enough to lower Estradiol levels below 30.

Randy

[Guest guest]

Thanks Randy. I suppose the only reasonable approach would involve frequent

blood tests to find the proper dosage for body-builders. Arimidex is not yet

the drug of choice among BB'ers for anti-aromatase/anti-estrogen purposes,

but I think this probably because it is new and expensive, and because no

one really has a good idea of the correct dosage.

It's not unusual for a typical amateur body builder to inject one or two

ampules of " sustanon 250 " per week or the equivalent, which is 250mg to

500mg of T. The pro BB'ers are known to do as much as 1,000 mg per week and

more in preparation for competitition. They use clomiphene citrate (Clomid)

and tamoxifen (Nolvadex) to block estrogens.

-gts

Re: Arimidex

> Probably.

> We don't treat bodyvbuilders, but aging men in our Longevity Center. Hence

we

> are using 100 - 200 mg/week of testoterone cyprionate. 1-2 mg/week of

> Arimidex seems to be more than enough to lower Estradiol levels below 30.

> Randy

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[Guest guest]

Guys,

One question. According to LEF, even men want to keep a reasonable level of

estrogen. If I recall correctly it was about 50 ng (or so) to help prevent

certain conditions. Do you all agree with this and is dropping below this, say

10ng dangerous.

Dale

gordon wrote:

> Randy

>

> > Gordon:

> > One mg of Arimidex, two times/week is very effective at lowering

> estradiol.

> > Two of our patients with moderately elevated estradiols ( 50 and 89) were

> > reduced to below 10 mg% within 3 weeks on this dosage. One was on 100

> > mg/week of testosteroene cyprionate and the other on clomid and HCG. It

> > would appear based on this that only one mg per week may be indicated

> > for normal physiologic replacement doses of testosterone.

>

> Thanks. Would you modify this dosage for someone taking larger doses of T,

> say between 200 mg and 500 mg per week? I think the typical BB'er these days

> is injecting that much.

>

> -gts

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[Guest guest]

Yes your E2 is to high it should be down about 25 to 30 get a script for

Arimidex and take one half a one mg. pill every 3 days to get it down you will

know when it is going down your libido will go up and morning wood can come

back. Are you asking about Dr. 's site www.allthingsmale.com

Phil

chickenbirdtree <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Phil I am going on a regular check up with my MD the 15th. He is an

Internest. He doesn't treat any Gonadrotrophin patients except to

recommend TRT. He started me on T about 15 years ago. He never has

checked my Estradiol level though, I don't think he knows about that. I

was doing fine up to 2 years ago with morning wood and sex with a pump

as I have restriction of blood flow in the Penis. He said there was

nothing I could do about that. But as I had told you my test came back

two weeks ago at a level of 59 from the VA. The range being 10 - 50.

So it is too high. Do I have to have a prescription to get Arimidex as

you suggested? If so I will ask him for one. Phil which was the web

site you told me to take to the Dr/ I can't seem to find it.I do hope

you are feeling better by now Phil, terrible to go through that. Boy I

can find you on several sites, you sure do keep busy with this program

better than most doctors!!!

[Guest guest]

No Phil I was asking about the page that tells you all about the Arimidex vs

Estrogen. Are you still on that? Notice I have hanged my profile.

Thanks,

Roy

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Yes your E2 is to high it should be down about 25 to 30 get a script for

Arimidex and take one half a one mg. pill every 3 days to get it down you will

know when it is going down your libido will go up and morning wood can come

back. Are you asking about Dr. 's site www.allthingsmale.com

Phil

chickenbirdtree <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Phil I am going on a regular check up with my MD the 15th. He is an

Internest. He doesn't treat any Gonadrotrophin patients except to

recommend TRT. He started me on T about 15 years ago. He never has

checked my Estradiol level though, I don't think he knows about that. I

was doing fine up to 2 years ago with morning wood and sex with a pump

as I have restriction of blood flow in the Penis. He said there was

nothing I could do about that. But as I had told you my test came back

two weeks ago at a level of 59 from the VA. The range being 10 - 50.

So it is too high. Do I have to have a prescription to get Arimidex as

you suggested? If so I will ask him for one. Phil which was the web

site you told me to take to the Dr/ I can't seem to find it.I do hope

you are feeling better by now Phil, terrible to go through that. Boy I

can find you on several sites, you sure do keep busy with this program

better than most doctors!!!

[Guest guest]

Ok I have 3 I think your going to find it form these links.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

No Phil I was asking about the page that tells you all about the Arimidex vs

Estrogen. Are you still on that? Notice I have hanged my profile.

Thanks,

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Yes your E2 is to high it should be down about 25 to 30 get a script for

Arimidex and take one half a one mg. pill every 3 days to get it down you will

know when it is going down your libido will go up and morning wood can come

back. Are you asking about Dr. 's site www.allthingsmale.com

Phil

chickenbirdtree wrote:

Phil I am going on a regular check up with my MD the 15th. He is an

Internest. He doesn't treat any Gonadrotrophin patients except to

recommend TRT. He started me on T about 15 years ago. He never has

checked my Estradiol level though, I don't think he knows about that. I

was doing fine up to 2 years ago with morning wood and sex with a pump

as I have restriction of blood flow in the Penis. He said there was

nothing I could do about that. But as I had told you my test came back

two weeks ago at a level of 59 from the VA. The range being 10 - 50.

So it is too high. Do I have to have a prescription to get Arimidex as

you suggested? If so I will ask him for one. Phil which was the web

site you told me to take to the Dr/ I can't seem to find it.I do hope

you are feeling better by now Phil, terrible to go through that. Boy I

can find you on several sites, you sure do keep busy with this program

better than most doctors!!!

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil. That first one was the one I was looking for, good article,

thanks. Just how long have you been researching this? I know it must be a long

time. Seems you

are in every group that I find. You have a passion for it don't you? Is it

because

you want to help other guys like yourself? If that is the case you are doing

a wonderul job and we owe you a debt of gratifude! Our thanks go out to you

SIR!

How old did you say you were Phil? You know how old I am, and still trying!!!

Thanks again,

Roy

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Ok I have 3 I think your going to find it form these links.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

Phil

[Guest guest]

I am 62 and been sick for 22 yrs with low T I have been down that road of Dr.'s

that were not up on treating low T and have been though a lot of shit. So if I

can help someone get better care and info at least I feel good they don't have

to go trough the crap I did.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Thanks Phil. That first one was the one I was looking for, good article,

thanks. Just how long have you been researching this? I know it must be a long

time. Seems you

are in every group that I find. You have a passion for it don't you? Is it

because

you want to help other guys like yourself? If that is the case you are doing a

wonderul job and we owe you a debt of gratifude! Our thanks go out to you SIR!

How old did you say you were Phil? You know how old I am, and still trying!!!

Thanks again,

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Ok I have 3 I think your going to find it form these links.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

Phil

[Guest guest]

I have been on the pump now since Nov. 92, have never been to hold an erection

on

its own since then. Thats 14 years. I started having trouble back when I was

42 and have never had good sex since that time. My doctor told me a few years

ago that I should have my T checked and he found it to be low so he put me on

shots. I went on patches through the VA and they wouldn't get me high enough,

the same with gels don't remember how many years ago. When I first having

trouble they didn't even know about giving T in any form so that is why I am

trying to make up for a little lost time.

I haven't had sex now for 2 years, they just keep putting me off, like doctors

do.

I see you started having trouble about the same age as I was Phil, around 40.

Thanks, you are a winner for us all.

Roy

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

I am 62 and been sick for 22 yrs with low T I have been down that road of

Dr.'s that were not up on treating low T and have been though a lot of shit. So

if I can help someone get better care and info at least I feel good they don't

have to go trough the crap I did.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Thanks Phil. That first one was the one I was looking for, good article,

thanks. Just how long have you been researching this? I know it must be a long

time. Seems you

are in every group that I find. You have a passion for it don't you? Is it

because

you want to help other guys like yourself? If that is the case you are doing a

wonderul job and we owe you a debt of gratifude! Our thanks go out to you SIR!

How old did you say you were Phil? You know how old I am, and still trying!!!

Thanks again,

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Ok I have 3 I think your going to find it form these links.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

Phil

[Guest guest]

Well I hope when you get leveled off your sex will start to work again it did

for me. I had to use a pump and ring to have sex with my wife to keep her happy

but I could not reach an orgasm. After about 10 yrs of this I find out it was

high Estradiol. Getting it down gave me back my sex life. Now I could do it

everyday and my wife now is happy doing it just once a week.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

I have been on the pump now since Nov. 92, have never been to hold an erection

on

its own since then. Thats 14 years. I started having trouble back when I was 42

and have never had good sex since that time. My doctor told me a few years ago

that I should have my T checked and he found it to be low so he put me on shots.

I went on patches through the VA and they wouldn't get me high enough, the same

with gels don't remember how many years ago. When I first having trouble they

didn't even know about giving T in any form so that is why I am trying to make

up for a little lost time.

I haven't had sex now for 2 years, they just keep putting me off, like doctors

do.

I see you started having trouble about the same age as I was Phil, around 40.

Thanks, you are a winner for us all.

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

I am 62 and been sick for 22 yrs with low T I have been down that road of Dr.'s

that were not up on treating low T and have been though a lot of shit. So if I

can help someone get better care and info at least I feel good they don't have

to go trough the crap I did.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Thanks Phil. That first one was the one I was looking for, good article, thanks.

Just how long have you been researching this? I know it must be a long time.

Seems you

are in every group that I find. You have a passion for it don't you? Is it

because

you want to help other guys like yourself? If that is the case you are doing a

wonderul job and we owe you a debt of gratifude! Our thanks go out to you SIR!

How old did you say you were Phil? You know how old I am, and still trying!!!

Thanks again,

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Ok I have 3 I think your going to find it form these links.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-estrogen.htm

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

Phil

[Guest guest]

Hey Roy - it really is individualized. Phil runs his T higher than me but it

also has to do with how you convert. Its a trial and error thing. The half life

of arimidex is on the order of 48 hours but it is very powerful and can drop

your E2 drastically. This is complicated by the fact that it may take a few

weeks to recover if you go too low. A second issue to consider is weight. I go

160# and am taking ~ 60-80 mg per week of T. This keeps my T around 300 to 900.

Thirty days should be plenty of time to tell how it will affect you.

Arkansas

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Dan and Phil,

I noticed you both say that arimidex will take the E down and raise the total

T. Dan you are saying take .25mg once a week and Phil you told me to take

one every 3 days. I know you both have had experience in this but I see you

both have approached it differently. As you know Phil I am taking it now

every

3 days. At that rate guys how long should it before I notice something

happening?

My endo was not too familiar with the drug so I will have to rely right now on

you guys who have done it. He has me coming back in 30 days. Is that too

soon to go check the Estradiol again? Also shouldn't the total T be checked

at the same time before I go back? He didn't give me a script for the total T

only the E test. What say you all? I am due to go back May 1st and that

is coming up soon and I have seen no change since I have been on it.

Anyone else out there have any thoughts?

regards to you all, great bunch.

Roy

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Roy your fine doing what your doing Dan has his E2 down your trying to bring it

down after you get it down then you do less or you will keep going down. Yes

test in 30 days if it did not come down do more.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Dan and Phil,

I noticed you both say that arimidex will take the E down and raise the total

T. Dan you are saying take .25mg once a week and Phil you told me to take

one every 3 days. I know you both have had experience in this but I see you

both have approached it differently. As you know Phil I am taking it now every

3 days. At that rate guys how long should it before I notice something

happening?

My endo was not too familiar with the drug so I will have to rely right now on

you guys who have done it. He has me coming back in 30 days. Is that too

soon to go check the Estradiol again? Also shouldn't the total T be checked

at the same time before I go back? He didn't give me a script for the total T

only the E test. What say you all? I am due to go back May 1st and that

is coming up soon and I have seen no change since I have been on it.

Anyone else out there have any thoughts?

regards to you all, great bunch.

Roy

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Hi Dan

Thank you for the frank answers they are helpful. I am takint 75 of T right

now weekly and I weigh 175#. Phil said they were very powerful, guess

they are or you guys wouldn't be taking .25mg. You read what my last T

reading was, the high end. I am just concerned that it may drive me over

the top. I will go then May 1 to check and see what the readings are and

post them.

Thanks again,

I notice you sign your name as 'Arkansas.' I presume you live there right?

Or is that a nick name?

Roy

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

Hey Roy - it really is individualized. Phil runs his T higher than me but it

also has to do with how you convert. Its a trial and error thing. The half life

of arimidex is on the order of 48 hours but it is very powerful and can drop

your E2 drastically. This is complicated by the fact that it may take a few

weeks to recover if you go too low. A second issue to consider is weight. I go

160# and am taking ~ 60-80 mg per week of T. This keeps my T around 300 to 900.

Thirty days should be plenty of time to tell how it will affect you.

Arkansas

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Dan and Phil,

I noticed you both say that arimidex will take the E down and raise the total

T. Dan you are saying take .25mg once a week and Phil you told me to take

one every 3 days. I know you both have had experience in this but I see you

both have approached it differently. As you know Phil I am taking it now

every

3 days. At that rate guys how long should it before I notice something

happening?

My endo was not too familiar with the drug so I will have to rely right now on

you guys who have done it. He has me coming back in 30 days. Is that too

soon to go check the Estradiol again? Also shouldn't the total T be checked

at the same time before I go back? He didn't give me a script for the total T

only the E test. What say you all? I am due to go back May 1st and that

is coming up soon and I have seen no change since I have been on it.

Anyone else out there have any thoughts?

regards to you all, great bunch.

Roy

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[Guest guest]

Phil thanks for the answer. Now I know why he is spacing his further apart.

Then

that is what I need to do if the reading is around 20 or so the lst of the

month.

thanks again appreciate all your expertise!

Blessings,

Roy

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Roy your fine doing what your doing Dan has his E2 down your trying to bring

it down after you get it down then you do less or you will keep going down. Yes

test in 30 days if it did not come down do more.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Dan and Phil,

I noticed you both say that arimidex will take the E down and raise the total

T. Dan you are saying take .25mg once a week and Phil you told me to take

one every 3 days. I know you both have had experience in this but I see you

both have approached it differently. As you know Phil I am taking it now every

3 days. At that rate guys how long should it before I notice something

happening?

My endo was not too familiar with the drug so I will have to rely right now on

you guys who have done it. He has me coming back in 30 days. Is that too

soon to go check the Estradiol again? Also shouldn't the total T be checked

at the same time before I go back? He didn't give me a script for the total T

only the E test. What say you all? I am due to go back May 1st and that

is coming up soon and I have seen no change since I have been on it.

Anyone else out there have any thoughts?

regards to you all, great bunch.

Roy

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I live there - I like to refer to it as " Gods Country "

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: Hi Dan

Thank you for the frank answers they are helpful. I am takint 75 of T right

now weekly and I weigh 175#. Phil said they were very powerful, guess

they are or you guys wouldn't be taking .25mg. You read what my last T

reading was, the high end. I am just concerned that it may drive me over

the top. I will go then May 1 to check and see what the readings are and

post them.

Thanks again,

I notice you sign your name as 'Arkansas.' I presume you live there right?

Or is that a nick name?

Roy

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

Hey Roy - it really is individualized. Phil runs his T higher than me but it

also has to do with how you convert. Its a trial and error thing. The half life

of arimidex is on the order of 48 hours but it is very powerful and can drop

your E2 drastically. This is complicated by the fact that it may take a few

weeks to recover if you go too low. A second issue to consider is weight. I go

160# and am taking ~ 60-80 mg per week of T. This keeps my T around 300 to 900.

Thirty days should be plenty of time to tell how it will affect you.

Arkansas

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Dan and Phil,

I noticed you both say that arimidex will take the E down and raise the total

T. Dan you are saying take .25mg once a week and Phil you told me to take

one every 3 days. I know you both have had experience in this but I see you

both have approached it differently. As you know Phil I am taking it now

every

3 days. At that rate guys how long should it before I notice something

happening?

My endo was not too familiar with the drug so I will have to rely right now on

you guys who have done it. He has me coming back in 30 days. Is that too

soon to go check the Estradiol again? Also shouldn't the total T be checked

at the same time before I go back? He didn't give me a script for the total T

only the E test. What say you all? I am due to go back May 1st and that

is coming up soon and I have seen no change since I have been on it.

Anyone else out there have any thoughts?

regards to you all, great bunch.

Roy

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[Guest guest]

Roy have felt any changes they come on slow but the one that starts first is

morning wood little by little they get harder and last longer.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Phil thanks for the answer. Now I know why he is spacing his further apart.

Then

that is what I need to do if the reading is around 20 or so the lst of the

month.

thanks again appreciate all your expertise!

Blessings,

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Roy your fine doing what your doing Dan has his E2 down your trying to bring it

down after you get it down then you do less or you will keep going down. Yes

test in 30 days if it did not come down do more.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Dan and Phil,

I noticed you both say that arimidex will take the E down and raise the total

T. Dan you are saying take .25mg once a week and Phil you told me to take

one every 3 days. I know you both have had experience in this but I see you

both have approached it differently. As you know Phil I am taking it now every

3 days. At that rate guys how long should it before I notice something

happening?

My endo was not too familiar with the drug so I will have to rely right now on

you guys who have done it. He has me coming back in 30 days. Is that too

soon to go check the Estradiol again? Also shouldn't the total T be checked

at the same time before I go back? He didn't give me a script for the total T

only the E test. What say you all? I am due to go back May 1st and that

is coming up soon and I have seen no change since I have been on it.

Anyone else out there have any thoughts?

regards to you all, great bunch.

Roy

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[Guest guest]

" Odd " is an understatement. It flies in the face of all the evidence

gleaned in past studies both here and on other sites. The first time

I heard about Arimidex, it came with a warning something to the

effect of it being for women and womens' much higher estrogen levels,

and a male should never take a full dose (unless he has a death

wish.) I know I'm not volunteering to be a guinea pig; I already know

by my lab results that a smaller dose can tank my E2. I need more

parameters, like how healthy were these elderly men or something. I'm

really missing the big picture, somehow, and it must be a beaut - if

I " overdose " , it cuts the effect by half or more? I'd really like to

know the take on this by a qualified physician (like Dr. no, or

Dr. Crisler; frankly, I don't think my uro is that versed with the

med, it was start low and follow the labs.)

Rich

>

> I have often found it odd that most of us seem to be able to

control our E2 with very low levels of armidex. When you look at the

various studies that were performed with elderly men, they are taking

1 mg (whole pill) daily or EOD and the reports say their E2 dropped

to ~ half of what it was originally. Yet, many of us report our E2

going too low even on 0.25 mgs (fourth of a pill) even weekly.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Arkansas

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I spoke with Dr Eugene Shippen on this subject a couple of years back.

He told me his practise was to break an Arimidex pill into fragments, before

giving one to his patient.

He was very concerned that men were taking too much too frequently and

tanking their E2 levels. He thought E2 levels should not drop below 25 on

the US scale

I hope this helps,

Nick O'Hara

Author: The Testosterone Deficiency Centre

www.androids.org.uk

Associate Editor

The Testicular Cancer Resource Centre

www.acor.org/tcrc

Re: Arimidex

" Odd " is an understatement. It flies in the face of all the evidence gleaned

in past studies both here and on other sites. The first time I heard about

Arimidex, it came with a warning something to the effect of it being for

women and womens' much higher estrogen levels, and a male should never take

a full dose (unless he has a death

wish.) I know I'm not volunteering to be a guinea pig; I already know by my

lab results that a smaller dose can tank my E2. I need more parameters, like

how healthy were these elderly men or something. I'm really missing the big

picture, somehow, and it must be a beaut - if I " overdose " , it cuts the

effect by half or more? I'd really like to know the take on this by a

qualified physician (like Dr. no, or Dr. Crisler; frankly, I don't

think my uro is that versed with the med, it was start low and follow the

labs.) Rich

>

> I have often found it odd that most of us seem to be able to

control our E2 with very low levels of armidex. When you look at the various

studies that were performed with elderly men, they are taking

1 mg (whole pill) daily or EOD and the reports say their E2 dropped to ~

half of what it was originally. Yet, many of us report our E2 going too low

even on 0.25 mgs (fourth of a pill) even weekly.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Arkansas

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In one study I read can't find it the men did just as good on .5mgs as the men

on 1mg. And we need to remember the men in the studys were not on Arimidex long

enough to go to low. My E2 was over 90 and it took me 12 weeks 6 weeks at .5

mgs every otherday an 6 more weeks at .5mgs everyday to get my levels down it

was after this that I went to low in 6 more weeks. So if the men it the study

were very high like I was then they were not on it long enough to go to low.

I just wish they would come out with a .125 mgs dose for us men.

Phil

Rich <caliconine@...> wrote:

" Odd " is an understatement. It flies in the face of all the evidence

gleaned in past studies both here and on other sites. The first time

I heard about Arimidex, it came with a warning something to the

effect of it being for women and womens' much higher estrogen levels,

and a male should never take a full dose (unless he has a death

wish.) I know I'm not volunteering to be a guinea pig; I already know

by my lab results that a smaller dose can tank my E2. I need more

parameters, like how healthy were these elderly men or something. I'm

really missing the big picture, somehow, and it must be a beaut - if

I " overdose " , it cuts the effect by half or more? I'd really like to

know the take on this by a qualified physician (like Dr. no, or

Dr. Crisler; frankly, I don't think my uro is that versed with the

med, it was start low and follow the labs.)

Rich

>

> I have often found it odd that most of us seem to be able to

control our E2 with very low levels of armidex. When you look at the

various studies that were performed with elderly men, they are taking

1 mg (whole pill) daily or EOD and the reports say their E2 dropped

to ~ half of what it was originally. Yet, many of us report our E2

going too low even on 0.25 mgs (fourth of a pill) even weekly.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Arkansas

>

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Thank you for the heads up Nick I just wish they would make it in a lower dose

for us men. It is dam hard using Arimidex to stay in the zone between 20 to 30.

Phil

Nick O'hara <nick@...> wrote:

I spoke with Dr Eugene Shippen on this subject a couple of years back.

He told me his practise was to break an Arimidex pill into fragments, before

giving one to his patient.

He was very concerned that men were taking too much too frequently and

tanking their E2 levels. He thought E2 levels should not drop below 25 on

the US scale

I hope this helps,

Nick O'Hara

Author: The Testosterone Deficiency Centre

www.androids.org.uk

Associate Editor

The Testicular Cancer Resource Centre

www.acor.org/tcrc

Re: Arimidex

" Odd " is an understatement. It flies in the face of all the evidence gleaned

in past studies both here and on other sites. The first time I heard about

Arimidex, it came with a warning something to the effect of it being for

women and womens' much higher estrogen levels, and a male should never take

a full dose (unless he has a death

wish.) I know I'm not volunteering to be a guinea pig; I already know by my

lab results that a smaller dose can tank my E2. I need more parameters, like

how healthy were these elderly men or something. I'm really missing the big

picture, somehow, and it must be a beaut - if I " overdose " , it cuts the

effect by half or more? I'd really like to know the take on this by a

qualified physician (like Dr. no, or Dr. Crisler; frankly, I don't

think my uro is that versed with the med, it was start low and follow the

labs.) Rich

>

> I have often found it odd that most of us seem to be able to

control our E2 with very low levels of armidex. When you look at the various

studies that were performed with elderly men, they are taking

1 mg (whole pill) daily or EOD and the reports say their E2 dropped to ~

half of what it was originally. Yet, many of us report our E2 going too low

even on 0.25 mgs (fourth of a pill) even weekly.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Arkansas

>

>

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Phil-

If the 1mg dose of Arimidex was for a fixed time only, -thats- the

parameter I'm missing; the missing piece of the puzzle. Thanks! I've

got the study too, but its buried somewhere in my computer.

Unfortunately for us guys, we're looking more for a steady dosing, to

keep from the highs and lows you describe. I don't think we can hold

our breath waiting for a 0.25mg dose. We have to make our own.

Rich

> >

> > I have often found it odd that most of us seem to be able to

> control our E2 with very low levels of armidex. When you look at

the

> various studies that were performed with elderly men, they are

taking

> 1 mg (whole pill) daily or EOD and the reports say their E2 dropped

> to ~ half of what it was originally. Yet, many of us report our E2

> going too low even on 0.25 mgs (fourth of a pill) even weekly.

> >

> > Any thoughts?

> >

> > Arkansas

> >

> >

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> Small Business.

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>

> " Odd " is an understatement. It flies in the face of all the

evidence

> gleaned in past studies both here and on other sites.

It doesn't fly in the face of my " personal " evidence at all. I'm

taking 1mg of Arimidex per day, and after 1 month, bloodwork showed

estradiol in the low side of normal range and testosterone in the

high side of normal range. I've been feeling just fine.

The key, according to my doctor, is not to combine the Arimidex with

the testosterone replacement, so I got off Androgel a week or so

before starting the Arimidex.

The Arimidex prevents the aromatization of my naturally produced

testosterone into estrogen, so I can proudly say that my high-range

testosterone results from last month are all mine. As was pointed

out in discussions here a month ago, if your hypogonadism is primary

(not producing testosterone), this regimen would not work.

Tuesday I go back to my doctor to go over the bloodwork taken Friday

to see what has happened after two months on the 1mg/day Arimidex

without TRT. I'll report back with an update.

Bob

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 04:14:14 -0000, you wrote:

>The Arimidex prevents the aromatization of my naturally produced

>testosterone into estrogen, so I can proudly say that my high-range

>testosterone results from last month are all mine. As was pointed

>out in discussions here a month ago, if your hypogonadism is primary

>(not producing testosterone), this regimen would not work.

It would seem yours is not pituitary based either, but strictly from

high aromotase levels. Perhaps when we have TRT and arimidex its quite

different from natural T -E2-aromotase issues.

If you don't mind my asking are you a bit overweight? Aromotase and

fat correlate strongly. It tends to be overweight folks who can solve

their T levels solely with arimidex.

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Terence

[Guest guest]

Bob - I would be interested in your pre-TRT conditions. I have often wondered if

I would fall into this category. My pre-TRT conditions were:

Total T = 180 ng/dl (260-1000)

Free T = 40 (50-210)

LH = 3.4 (1.5-9.3)

Prolactin 4.6 (2-18)

E2 = 30 - this gave me a T/E2 ratio of only 6

Not clear whether I am primary or secondary - Uro thought primary so we

started TRT.

How do we compare? -

Arkansas

rtolz <no_reply > wrote:

>

> " Odd " is an understatement. It flies in the face of all the

evidence

> gleaned in past studies both here and on other sites.

It doesn't fly in the face of my " personal " evidence at all. I'm

taking 1mg of Arimidex per day, and after 1 month, bloodwork showed

estradiol in the low side of normal range and testosterone in the

high side of normal range. I've been feeling just fine.

The key, according to my doctor, is not to combine the Arimidex with

the testosterone replacement, so I got off Androgel a week or so

before starting the Arimidex.

The Arimidex prevents the aromatization of my naturally produced

testosterone into estrogen, so I can proudly say that my high-range

testosterone results from last month are all mine. As was pointed

out in discussions here a month ago, if your hypogonadism is primary

(not producing testosterone), this regimen would not work.

Tuesday I go back to my doctor to go over the bloodwork taken Friday

to see what has happened after two months on the 1mg/day Arimidex

without TRT. I'll report back with an update.

Bob

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Bob-

Thanks for the clairification! My mind somehow skipped over

the " primary's not working " part of your post. However, it points my

confusion in a different direction: why should the addition of

testosterone (exogenous) make any difference in the final E2 levels

as dictated by Arimidex. There must be some other mechanism going on

that I'm not aware of.

Rich

> >

> > " Odd " is an understatement. It flies in the face of all the

> evidence

> > gleaned in past studies both here and on other sites.

>

> It doesn't fly in the face of my " personal " evidence at all. I'm

> taking 1mg of Arimidex per day, and after 1 month, bloodwork showed

> estradiol in the low side of normal range and testosterone in the

> high side of normal range. I've been feeling just fine.

>

> The key, according to my doctor, is not to combine the Arimidex

with

> the testosterone replacement, so I got off Androgel a week or so

> before starting the Arimidex.

>

> The Arimidex prevents the aromatization of my naturally produced

> testosterone into estrogen, so I can proudly say that my high-range

> testosterone results from last month are all mine. As was pointed

> out in discussions here a month ago, if your hypogonadism is

primary

> (not producing testosterone), this regimen would not work.

>

> Tuesday I go back to my doctor to go over the bloodwork taken

Friday

> to see what has happened after two months on the 1mg/day Arimidex

> without TRT. I'll report back with an update.

>

> Bob

>