RE: Please Help My father !!

[Guest guest]

Have you ever come across Dr. Hulda 's Cure for All Cancers?

Did you ever to colon cleansing?

How about Parasite cleansing?

How about liver flushing?

If you did Gerson, did your father eat raw organic livers?

Have you removed all pollutants in your house and personal care products

and food?

How about removing all those sources of isopropyl alcohol?

Is your father on an anti-candida diet? Low carb, high fat?

These are the things that matter in my opinion.

miao0888 wrote:

>

>

> My father was diagnosed with colon cancer on 10/15/2006 at age 72, Had

> colon resection on 10/30/2006. At the time of the operation, it was

> determined that the cancer didn't spread to other organs yet and there

> were no lymph nodes invovled. However, the cancer did penetrate a little

> to the colon wall.

>

> However, 3 months after the sugery, My father's CEA (tumor marker for

> colon cancer) started to rise at the rate of 2 per month. Worried and

> also encouraged by the experience of many people in this group, I

> started sending supplements to China (where my father lives) each month

> in the hope to control his cancer and rebuild his immune system to an

> optimum level. The list of supplements including: AHCC, Avemar,

> Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C, Heart Plus, Green Tea Extract, Barley Power, Paw

> Paw Cell-Reg, Flax Seed Oil/CC, Essiac Tea.

>

> Now after over 6 months on those supplements, his recent scan has

> detected some mets in his liver and abdominal wall. I'm very scared and

> totally lost and can't think straight. I really need your help here, I'm

> wondering

>

> 1. Did anyone see what's wrong with the list of supplements my father is

> taking? I have done many hours of research on each of them, they seems

> to be well documented and well researched and supported by a lot of

> healing stories, yet they're not doing their magic this time. Is it

> simply because they're not the right combination and they happen to

> cancel each other's healing effects?

> 2. Now what to do next, do I adjust the combination of supplements or

> switch to something else?

> 3. Should I try protocel next? Is there anyone with good experience with

> it? Time is running out, I need something fast!

>

> Please, any advice, help or support would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Lilly

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lilly,

I'm so sorry to hear of your father's health.

It is my opinion that all cancer patients need to be on a protocol.

Herbs, supplements, diet, etc, need to be orchestrated.

It is also my opinion that alternatives will not help everyone.

What else is your father doing? Does he smoke? What does he eat?

ar

On Wed, 07 May 2008 22:41:47 -0000, " miao0888 " <miao0888@...>

said:

>

> My father was diagnosed with colon cancer on 10/15/2006 at age 72, Had

> colon resection on 10/30/2006. At the time of the operation, it was

> determined that the cancer didn't spread to other organs yet and there

> were no lymph nodes invovled. However, the cancer did penetrate a little

> to the colon wall.

>

> However, 3 months after the sugery, My father's CEA (tumor marker for

> colon cancer) started to rise at the rate of 2 per month. Worried and

> also encouraged by the experience of many people in this group, I

> started sending supplements to China (where my father lives) each month

> in the hope to control his cancer and rebuild his immune system to an

> optimum level. The list of supplements including: AHCC, Avemar,

> Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C, Heart Plus, Green Tea Extract, Barley Power, Paw

> Paw Cell-Reg, Flax Seed Oil/CC, Essiac Tea.

>

> Now after over 6 months on those supplements, his recent scan has

> detected some mets in his liver and abdominal wall. I'm very scared and

> totally lost and can't think straight. I really need your help here, I'm

> wondering

>

> 1. Did anyone see what's wrong with the list of supplements my father is

> taking? I have done many hours of research on each of them, they seems

> to be well documented and well researched and supported by a lot of

> healing stories, yet they're not doing their magic this time. Is it

> simply because they're not the right combination and they happen to

> cancel each other's healing effects?

> 2. Now what to do next, do I adjust the combination of supplements or

> switch to something else?

> 3. Should I try protocel next? Is there anyone with good experience with

> it? Time is running out, I need something fast!

>

> Please, any advice, help or support would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Lilly

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Please Help " and this is the urgent post we run into all the time and what

follows is the favorite program of the person posting a response.

What must first be brought to the attention of the person making the request is

the sad fact that unless the afflicted person is oriented towards Alternative

ways, or is so desperate they are agreeable to 'try' anything because they have

been abandoned by Conventional medicine.

We can stand on our heads heralding every known, and some hardly known protocols

but getting the 'friend' or 'family member' to go ahead with it is another

matter and unfortunately few posts requesting help tell us the intent of the

afflicted cancer victim. I have finally reached point where I ask the attitude

of the person needing help or at least suggest that unless one knows their loved

one will cooperate, they are probably wasting their time.

One cannot be brow-beaten into alternative method use and either come across it

themselves or again, are at the end of their rope and are desperate. Even

then, which of the many suggestions will they accept? Do they have the time

to experiment? I find that directing them to someone that knows what works and

what doesn't makes more sense than bombarding them with numerous protocols. I

usually suggest that people contact , from our list, giving him the full

diagnosis, treatment to date and any proposed and this with the same warning

about trying to help someone else and urging that their friend or loved one do

the actual contacting.\

Our eagerness to help is often overwhelming and I would imagine possibly scaring

people rather then helping them.

Joe C.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

Joe, you offer some great suggestions. So very true that we cannot talk

someone into choosing health. There must be desire, discipline and

determination to do a certain protocol. Putting protocols together is not

easy and why, in my opinion, that many times people do not get results --

because they do not do total research or they don't understand that it is

important to have a protocol that works together synergistically. Something

" sounds " good and they go for it.

For instance, the Budwig Protocol should not be used with high levels of

antioxidants as it is all about oxygenating the body.

However, while getting advice from a professional is certainly worthy, there

is something that empowers a person to move forward with certainty, when

they are completely involved in the research and education part.

Some cancers are slow moving and usually colon cancer is one of them. So

even though numbers may be going up, there is time to educate and decide

what the patient feels will get them well. Usually when people get into a

hurry, choices made are not always the best. Taking the time in the

beginning to make a plan (getting information on conventional medicine and

natural medicine) will not only make choices easier but will also give some

time for everyone to calm down. Choices made under stress or fear are

usually regretted later.

In my opinion, it is best if the person can talk to or sit down face-to-face

with someone who is knowledgeable about natural protocols. It is alsy great

if the patient has someone to act as " coach. " This is usually a spouse or

someone who can committ the time to be with the patient every day. They are

also invaluable when going for tests and doctors visits. The coach needs to

be someone who has empathy, but not sympathy.

When asking for ideas, be ready to be bombarded with suggestions. People

mean well, but not always have they used the product that is suggested but

have only " read " that it is supposed to give results. Everyone is different

and what works for one may not work for others. And, one more time,

emotions must be dealt with alsy.

Be Well

Loretta

[Guest guest]

Adding some possible suggestions to those already made:

Intavenous Vitamin C (See file in Files section)

Low-dose naltrexone

oleander (See oleander soup group)

Also search the message archive of the group here for furter info on any of the

above.

Best,

RB

>

>

> My father was diagnosed with colon cancer on 10/15/2006 at age 72, Had

> colon resection on 10/30/2006. At the time of the operation, it was

> determined that the cancer didn't spread to other organs yet and there

> were no lymph nodes invovled. However, the cancer did penetrate a little

> to the colon wall.

>

> However, 3 months after the sugery, My father's CEA (tumor marker for

> colon cancer) started to rise at the rate of 2 per month. Worried and

> also encouraged by the experience of many people in this group, I

> started sending supplements to China (where my father lives) each month

> in the hope to control his cancer and rebuild his immune system to an

> optimum level. The list of supplements including: AHCC, Avemar,

> Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C, Heart Plus, Green Tea Extract, Barley Power, Paw

> Paw Cell-Reg, Flax Seed Oil/CC, Essiac Tea.

>

> Now after over 6 months on those supplements, his recent scan has

> detected some mets in his liver and abdominal wall. I'm very scared and

> totally lost and can't think straight. I really need your help here, I'm

> wondering

>

> 1. Did anyone see what's wrong with the list of supplements my father is

> taking? I have done many hours of research on each of them, they seems

> to be well documented and well researched and supported by a lot of

> healing stories, yet they're not doing their magic this time. Is it

> simply because they're not the right combination and they happen to

> cancel each other's healing effects?

> 2. Now what to do next, do I adjust the combination of supplements or

> switch to something else?

> 3. Should I try protocel next? Is there anyone with good experience with

> it? Time is running out, I need something fast!

>

> Please, any advice, help or support would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Lilly

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If your father is in China, he should go to a good TCM healer and a

good acupuncturist. One fellow recently went to China and had some

kind of heat treatment. He is in this group and can probably tell

you more about it.'

GB

>

>

> My father was diagnosed with colon cancer on 10/15/2006 at age 72,

Had

> colon resection on 10/30/2006. At the time of the operation, it was

> determined that the cancer didn't spread to other organs yet and

there

> were no lymph nodes invovled. However, the cancer did penetrate a

little

> to the colon wall.

>

> However, 3 months after the sugery, My father's CEA (tumor marker

for

> colon cancer) started to rise at the rate of 2 per month. Worried

and

> also encouraged by the experience of many people in this

group, I

> started sending supplements to China (where my father lives) each

month

> in the hope to control his cancer and rebuild his immune system to

an

> optimum level. The list of supplements including: AHCC, Avemar,

> Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C, Heart Plus, Green Tea Extract, Barley

Power, Paw

> Paw Cell-Reg, Flax Seed Oil/CC, Essiac Tea.

>

> Now after over 6 months on those supplements, his recent scan has

> detected some mets in his liver and abdominal wall. I'm very scared

and

> totally lost and can't think straight. I really need your help

here, I'm

> wondering

>

> 1. Did anyone see what's wrong with the list of supplements my

father is

> taking? I have done many hours of research on each of them, they

seems

> to be well documented and well researched and supported by a lot of

> healing stories, yet they're not doing their magic this time. Is it

> simply because they're not the right combination and they happen to

> cancel each other's healing effects?

> 2. Now what to do next, do I adjust the combination of supplements

or

> switch to something else?

> 3. Should I try protocel next? Is there anyone with good experience

with

> it? Time is running out, I need something fast!

>

> Please, any advice, help or support would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Lilly

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello miao0888,

Paw Paw Cell Reg should not be used in conjunction with Essiac Tea.

They work at odds to one another. I suggest dropping the Essiac, as

the Cell Reg is potentially more effective. To be on the safe side I

would discontinue the vitamin c or other strong antioxidants. There

is mixed evidence concerning how it effects the Paw Paw. Consider

Cantron (or Protocel)with the Paw Paw.

Mike Golden, D.C.

Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 5:41:47 PM, you wrote:

m> However, 3 months after the sugery, My father's CEA (tumor marker for

m> colon cancer) started to rise at the rate of 2 per month. Worried and

m> also encouraged by the experience of many people in this group, I

m> started sending supplements to China (where my father lives) each month

m> in the hope to control his cancer and rebuild his immune system to an

m> optimum level. The list of supplements including: AHCC, Avemar,

m> Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C, Heart Plus, Green Tea Extract, Barley Power, Paw

m> Paw Cell-Reg, Flax Seed Oil/CC, Essiac Tea.

m> 1. Did anyone see what's wrong with the list of supplements my father is

m> taking? I have done many hours of research on each of them, they seems

m> to be well documented and well researched and supported by a lot of

m> healing stories, yet they're not doing their magic this time. Is it

m> simply because they're not the right combination and they happen to

m> cancel each other's healing effects?

m> 2. Now what to do next, do I adjust the combination of supplements or

m> switch to something else?

m> 3. Should I try protocel next? Is there anyone with good experience with

m> it? Time is running out, I need something fast!

m> Please, any advice, help or support would be greatly appreciated!

m> Lilly

m>

[Guest guest]

-Dear Lily,

I am sorry to hear about your Dad's ill health. AR's question below

is really important, because if you do not know his daily doings it

makes it hard to figure out what's going on, resulting in all your

efforts being cancelled out in a heartbeat. Then again what's good

for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander. Cancer is

usually caused by anger.

Did anything tragic happen right before he was diagnosed? There is a

German Dr, Dr.Ryke Geerd Hamer, who claims that all cancers are

caused by something tragic happening before the onset of Cancer.

Copy and put in browser below:

http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/hamer.html

Try not to be attatched to results with what you do. There is a

greater force than just you playing out in your father's healing.

Bless you for taking such good care of him.

Hariatma

-- In , " Arlyn Grant " <arlynsg@...> wrote:

> Hi Lilly,

> I'm so sorry to hear of your father's health.

> It is my opinion that all cancer patients need to be on a protocol.

> Herbs, supplements, diet, etc, need to be orchestrated.

> It is also my opinion that alternatives will not help everyone.

> What else is your father doing? Does he smoke? What does he eat?

>

>

> " miao0888 " said:

> My father was diagnosed with colon cancer on 10/15/2006 at age

72, Had colon resection on 10/30/2006. At the time of the operation, it was

determined that the cancer didn't spread to other organs yet and there were no

lymph nodes invovled. However, the cancer did penetrate a little to the colon

wall.

>However, 3 months after the sugery, My father's CEA (tumor marker

for colon cancer) started to rise at the rate of 2 per month.

Worried and also encouraged by the experience of many people in this

group, I started sending supplements to China (where my father lives) each month

in the hope to control his cancer and rebuild his immune system to an optimum

level. The list of supplements including: AHCC, Avemar, Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C,

Heart Plus, Green Tea Extract, Barley Power, Paw Paw Cell-Reg, Flax Seed Oil/CC,

Essiac Tea.

> Now after over 6 months on those supplements, his recent scan has

> detected some mets in his liver and abdominal wall. I'm very

scared and totally lost and can't think straight. I really need your

help............

[Guest guest]

I have read of the previous suggestion, before, definitely check it out it is

well worth reading, has a lot of merit.

When my dad had cancer (bowel-actually a tumor between his duodenum and

kidney, pressing on the kidney) we worked out a pretty stringent natural

protocol. Among the things he did was Essiac tea. He was previously on

Percocet (unwillingly, his arm could be hanging off his body by a thread and

he wouldn't take anything for it, so for him to take the Percocet I knew he

was in a lot of pain. ) anyways combined w/everything else, after just 2

days worth of Essiac, he was very pleased to announce to me that his pain

was gone, and he no longer needed the percocet. My very firm belief is the

Essiac was very instrumental in shrinking his tumor relieving the pain. He

was doing so well on his protocol that after his surgery (which I begged him

not to go for) one of the docs he had a consultaion with afterwards, a chemo

doc, was looking at his chart and looking at my dad and said, forgive me,

but according to this chart, you are not the man I expected to see before

me, please don't mind my asking, but what exactly are you doing? My dad

says, yeah, this natural thing, I didn't think it would work, but I tell you

I feel like a million bucks, I never felt this good in my life. And the

chemo doc said, well, whatever youre doing, keep doing it because its

obviously working. If you need me, you have my number. Long story short,

dads girlfriend did everything she could against the natural protocol.

One of dads good docs, an oncology radiologist who was also a CAM doc, a

nutritionist, told dad and her and all of us the one very worst thing a cancer

patient can do is sugar. Avoid it, its

poison. Eating sugar is like pouring gasoline on a prairie fire. NEVER EVER

EAT it. There is a symbiotic relationship between yeast and cancer.

You got to NOT feed the yeast, NOT feed the cancer. His girlfriend started

baking dad chocolate cakes, bringing garbage into the house, wouldn't cook

good stuff. He had a false sense of being ok cuz he felt so good, and let

his guard down.

Because I had learned of the amniotic like coating on cancer masses, I had asked

my dads docs about the use of ru486 with him, they laughed in my face. They had

never heard such a thing. A year after my dad died, a big article in USA Today

announced ru486 as treatment for brain and breast cancers.

Bottom line, if I had another chance to help my dad, again it would be ESSIAC

TEA, NO SUGAR, I REPEAT, NO SUGAR. And NO TOXIC PEOPLE around him. Positive

strength and support is crucial to the

healing process here. That will be a wonderful start for your dad. Stay

strong. Laugh often. Watch tons of funny movies together.