Re: Help me convince against chemotherapy

[Guest guest]

My personal opinion is that if someone wishes to use Chemo, we should

respect that. Cancer treatment is a personal choice. I would send this

family only positive information on alternative treatments, NOT negative

information about chemo. If the woman is still insistant on chemo, then

her family should respect her enough to support her in her decision.

ar

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:07:04 +0800, " Edwin Casimero "

<eesc@...> said:

> What other tools or messages or websites you have that can convince

> people to not go through with chemotherapy?

>

> Any help will be appreciated.

--

Arlyn Grant

arlynsg@...

[Guest guest]

Arlyn Grant wrote:

> My personal opinion is that if someone wishes to use Chemo, we should

> respect that. Cancer treatment is a personal choice.

My feelings also. I would not want people (even if they are well

meaning) barraging me with information on " you must do chemo " when I

chose not to do it.

Sometimes it's best that the patient feel good about the choices they

made, it helps with healing a lot. No matter what that choice is.

in MN

[Guest guest]

While it's my personal experience that those who choose chemo are simply not

very open to alternatives, check out www.cancerdecisions.com. If I recall

correctly, there are several studies reviewed there, from Australia, Germany,

and Italy, which evaluated the effects of chemo over time, with large databases.

All the studies I remember showed zero or negligible increase in life span using

chemo. Additionally, Ralph Moss has reports of what works and what doesn't for

various cancer types. He also will generate personal reports tailored to the

needs of the person. Ralph started out working for Memorial Sloan Kettering

(not as an MD, but as a publicist, I think), and saw how promising alternative

research was buried if it threatened the standard chemo/radiation/surgery. He

was fired when he publicized results anyway.

He's not particularly " anti " chemo. He evaluates research work of all types,

and advises which forms of treatment are successful for which types of cancer,

without regard to " standard " or " alternative " labels.

The Truly Educated Never Graduate

[ ] Help me convince against chemotherapy

My friend called me up to ask for help convincing his mother to NOT go

through with chemotherapy.

This is the unfolding story so far,

http://www.myhealth blog.org/ 2008/04/20/ abdominal- pain-cancer- diagnosis-

appendectomy- and-ligation/

I lent them my Dr. Day video rant against the cancer industry.

What other tools or messages or websites you have that can convince

people to not go through with chemotherapy?

Any help will be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

: I was diagnosed with carcinomasarcoma a mixed tumor of the salivary

gland that metastised to the lungs stage 4. I was given up on by the Dr's at

the University of Chicago and they said go enjoy your life " chemo will not work

for that type of cancer " . I then turned to alternative medicine to fight my

condition which didn't work at all. I then went to the Cancer Treatments

Centers of America in Zion IL and they recommended chemo for me. I was told by

them the chances of it working were about 20% maybe 40% for me because I 'm

young and in great shape being a state amateur bodybuilder. Well, guess what,

chemo has so far shrunk the tumors in my lymph nodes and lungs big time with no

metastasis to any other organs. I'm not going to say I'm going to be cured but

at least I don't have tumors sticking out of my neck looking like the elephant

man. My neck is real soft now you cant feel any hard lymph nodes except 1 that

is real small barely can feel it. I do alternative

medicine such as the Vibe machine, herbs, vitamins in conjuncion with chemo and

I personally think that's the best thing for me and my type of cancer. Every

cancer should be looked at uniquely and treated differently. I own a Rife

machine and it didn't work at all. The Rife machine in my opinion is a hoax.

Everybody ramped and raved about it and said positive stuff. I hate to say it

it's total Bull. I researched alternative cancer treatments with people all

over the U.S.A. and found out that most people are just trying to sell some

product and don't have a clue about cancer. I personally feel chemo for me was

the right choice. God Bless and good luck with your decisions.

Jim

Ellis <lellis4563@...> wrote:

While it's my personal experience that those who choose chemo are

simply not very open to alternatives, check out www.cancerdecisions.com. If I

recall correctly, there are several studies reviewed there, from Australia,

Germany, and Italy, which evaluated the effects of chemo over time, with large

databases. All the studies I remember showed zero or negligible increase in life

span using chemo. Additionally, Ralph Moss has reports of what works and what

doesn't for various cancer types. He also will generate personal reports

tailored to the needs of the person. Ralph started out working for Memorial

Sloan Kettering (not as an MD, but as a publicist, I think), and saw how

promising alternative research was buried if it threatened the standard

chemo/radiation/surgery. He was fired when he publicized results anyway.

He's not particularly " anti " chemo. He evaluates research work of all types, and

advises which forms of treatment are successful for which types of cancer,

without regard to " standard " or " alternative " labels.

The Truly Educated Never Graduate

[Guest guest]

Hello Jim,

I am sure you are thrilled with the reduction in

tumor mass and results. Chemo is known to shrink

tumors but most of us know only to grow back after

treatment is completed if " response " is seen.

I suppose you can continue to vary the drug component

to find another chemo which will shrink again and

invariably grow back until all drugs are exhausted.

This is called " response " and it does buy time but at

the expense of quality time and money.Chemo rarely

kills all cancer that is why special words are used "

treats " or " response rate " etc. when these drugs and

benefits are discussed.

I took chemo and was sick the whole time only to find

my cell type is chemo resistant. So chemotherapy isn't

an option for me.

I did find a alternate treatment that works ( provides

long term stability, low cost, no side effects and NON

toxic) but only after my oncologist couldn't do

anything further for me.

Hope you find a long lasting and consistant, non

damaging treatment.

Dee

http://www.ldn4cancer.com

> : I was diagnosed with carcinomasarcoma a

> mixed tumor of the salivary gland that metastised to

> the lungs stage 4. I was given up on by the Dr's at

> the University of Chicago and they said go enjoy

> your life " chemo will not work for that type of

> cancer " . I then turned to alternative medicine to

> fight my condition which didn't work at all. I then

> went to the Cancer Treatments Centers of America in

> Zion IL and they recommended chemo for me. I was

> told by them the chances of it working were about

> 20% maybe 40% for me because I 'm young and in great

> shape being a state amateur bodybuilder. Well,

> guess what, chemo has so far shrunk the tumors in my

> lymph nodes and lungs big time with no metastasis to

> any other organs. I'm not going to say I'm going to

> be cured but at least I don't have tumors sticking

> out of my neck looking like the elephant man. My

> neck is real soft now you cant feel any hard lymph

> nodes except 1 that is real small barely can feel

> it. I do alternative

> medicine such as the Vibe machine, herbs, vitamins

> in conjuncion with chemo and I personally think

> that's the best thing for me and my type of cancer.

> Every cancer should be looked at uniquely and

> treated differently. I own a Rife machine and it

> didn't work at all. The Rife machine in my opinion

> is a hoax. Everybody ramped and raved about it and

> said positive stuff. I hate to say it it's total

> Bull. I researched alternative cancer treatments

> with people all over the U.S.A. and found out that

> most people are just trying to sell some product and

> don't have a clue about cancer. I personally feel

> chemo for me was the right choice. God Bless and

> good luck with your decisions.

> Jim

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know anyone has been cured of cancer with

this coconut oil and fats diet?

[Guest guest]

,

I have Stage IV breast cancer. I am a huge fan of alternative, which

I did for over a year. Then I got a tumor in my lung that my lymph

nodes had wrapped around and it was shutting down my superior vein

that drains blood from my head. I was having head pressure and puffy

face and ringing in my ears for a long time.

I had no choice but to do chemo or radiation. I chose chemo (kicking

and screaming). I will have my third treatment tomorrow. So far it

has been kind to me, very few side effects. By the end of May I will

know if it's working. My head pressure is gone, and my puffy face is

gone.

I will get right back to alternative medicine to fight this as soon

as I can.

My biggest program is eating. I like raw food, but it's very hard

not to eat some meat. I am off milk products now because it was

giving me diaherra.

Just my two cents.

> Ellis <lellis4563@...> wrote:

> While it's my personal experience that those who choose

chemo are simply not very open to alternatives, check out

www.cancerdecisions.com. If I recall correctly, there are several

studies reviewed there, from Australia, Germany, and Italy, which

evaluated the effects of chemo over time, with large databases. All

the studies I remember showed zero or negligible increase in life

span using chemo. Additionally, Ralph Moss has reports of what works

and what doesn't for various cancer types. He also will generate

personal reports tailored to the needs of the person. Ralph started

out working for Memorial Sloan Kettering (not as an MD, but as a

publicist, I think), and saw how promising alternative research was

buried if it threatened the standard chemo/radiation/surgery. He was

fired when he publicized results anyway.

>

> He's not particularly " anti " chemo. He evaluates research work of

all types, and advises which forms of treatment are successful for

which types of cancer, without regard to " standard " or " alternative "

labels.

>

>

> The Truly Educated Never Graduate

>

[Guest guest]

" Chemotherapy is curative in very few cancers - testicular, Hodgkin's,

choriocarcinoma, childhood leukemia. In most common solid tumors -

lung, colon, breast, etc. - chemotherapy is NOT curative. " Dr. Jürgen

Buche, Preventorium Inst.

www./group/Alternative_Breast_Cancer

" Chemotherapy does not eliminate breast, colon, or lung cancers. This

fact has been documented for over a decade " Levin, MD UCSF The

Healing of Cancer

www.domaincountry.com/articles/health/treatments.shtml

" Ulrich Abel, Ph.D., of the Heidelberg Tumor Center in Germany,

conducted a comprehensive review of the world literature on survival

among cancer patients receiving chemotherapy. He found that

chemotherapy can help only about 3% of the patients with epithelial

cancers (breast, lung, prostate, and colon) [Abel [1990], Cytostatic

Therapy of Advanced Epithelial Tumors: A Critique. Stuggart, Germany:

Hippocrates Verlag]....Statistics show that chemotherapy is useless in

treating about 80% of malignant tumors, in particular...cancers of the

lungs, breast, colon, pancreas, and bladder [D. Schmahl, (1989)

`Experimental Development of Anticancer Drugs.' Current Cancer

Research (pp. 157-243). New York: Springer. Chemotherapy's 7% `cure'

rate is all the more pathetic when you consider that it typically

refers to survival for only five years and thus overlooks the risk of

`secondary cancers' " (Diamond et al., 2000, p. 191).

" epidemiologist Ulrich Abel…put the entire usefulness of chemotherapy

in doubt. For over a year, this scientist reviewed several thousand

publications on chemotherapy. He concluded that `for most internal

cancers no proof exists that chemotherapy, especially the increasingly

high dose variety, increases life expectancy or improves quality of

life.' " http://cancerdecisions.com/011605.html

" October [2004]...article on chemotherapy appeared in Der

Spiegel....shows that for patients in the advanced stages of the major

forms of cancer, chemotherapy has no appreciable effect on

survival....title...is `Useless Poisonous Cures' (Giftkur ohne

Nutzen)...Der Spiegel's website provides no English translation

[German version is at

www.pilhar.com/News/Presse/2004/20041004_Spiegel_Giftkur_Chemo.htm]...I

have therefore summarized the contents....colon, breast, lung and

prostate cancer....epidemiologist has analyzed the actual rate of life

extension...patients do not actually live a day longer....These

statements...do not apply to the chemotherapy of Hodgkin's and

non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, leukemia, sarcoma, and testicular cancer.

These diseases can be cured in some cases in an almost spectacular

way....But experienced clinicians agree that the balance tips against

chemotherapy when it comes to treating solid tumors in advanced

stages. Gerhard Schaller, MD, 52, a gynecologist at the University of

Bochum, states: `For the survival of women with advanced breast

cancer, chemotherapy previously brought them practically no

benefit...' Wolfram Jaeger, MD, 49, Director of Gynecology at the

State Clinics of Düsseldorf, has had similar experiences.

`Chemotherapy gave, and gives, no successes. Enormous numbers of women

are treated, without proven benefit' "

http://cancerdecisions.com/011605.html

" ...as a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incomprehensible to

me that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy

does much, much more harm than good. " Alan C. Nixon, PhD, former

president of American Chemical Society

" Whether any of the common cancers can be cured by chemotherapy has

yet to be established " ( Cairns, Scientific American, 60, Nov. 1985).

" Survival benefit of adjuvant chemotherapy for colon cancer limited…

August 04, 2004 NEW YORK (Reuters Health)….stage B and C colon

cancer….MOF chemotherapy (MeCCNU or semustine, plus vincristine, and

5-FU)…no differences in the chemotherapy and surgery-alone group in

10-year disease-free or overall survival "

" Doctor who gave my wife chemo also said they had a 80% survival rate,

but my wife is the only one still alive out of 54 from the

group….After the chemo, she now has IBS, arthritis, fatty liver, and

food allergies….The chemo didn't affect the 3 largest [tumors]….we

believe the only reason she [has] survived was because she… was the

only one who did…ozone when the doctor said her body was starting to

shut down " Gaylen, golfegg@..., 11/27/04,

www./group/ /messages

" 75% of the physicians refuses chemotherapy on themselves "

www.curenaturalicancro.com/2-physicians-refuse-chemo.html

" study of oncologists to determine how they would respond to a

diagnosis of cancer...58 out of 64 doctors said that all chemotherapy

programs were unacceptable to them and their family members. The

overriding reason for this decision was that the drugs are ineffective

and have an unacceptable degree of toxicity....radiologist who told me

this: `If I get cancer, I'm going to Mexico.' " Daily Dose, August 30, 2002

from the newsletter of s II, M.D.

reprinted at the following websites:

www.dreamline.freeyellow.com/#scandal;

www.networkingtheinternet.com/dxm66.htm

www.aspartame.ca/page_c4.htm

www.fugitt.com/article/chemo1.htm

For a critical analysis of the benefits, indications, and

contraindications for chemotherapy, see

Ralph Moss's book Questioning Chemotherapy and

www.whale.to/cancer/chemo.html (includes quotes from Moss's book)

www.whale.to/cancer/quotes1.html

Beattie, Karon (2004). How Successful Are Conventional Cancer

Treatments? (www.naturalcancertreatments.com)

www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/cancer.htm

www.ralphmoss.com/qcpers.html

www.ralphmoss.com/dgo2000.html

www.apricotsfromgod.org/ralphmoss.htm

www.whatareweswallowing.freeserve.co.uk/deathbydoctoring4.htm (quotes

from doctors)

www.healingcancernaturally.com/why_alternatives.html

www.healingcancernaturally.com/why_alternatives2.html

www.kroisscancercenter.com (click on methods)

www.geocities.com/freee80/surgery2.html

www.bcaction.org/Pages/SearchablePages/2003Newsletters/Newsletter077A.html

www.mercola.com/2003/aug/13/cancer_drugs.htm (summary of above website)

www.cancerinform.org/chemotherapy.html

www.ard.net/Health/Chemotherapy/chemotherapy.html

Also, most alternative cancer treatments (including dietary

approaches) are much more effective if a patient has NOT had

chemotherapy (and particularly not extensive chemotherapy).

[Guest guest]

-Also, think about METRONOMIC chemo and CHRONOMODULATED chemo...

Karla

-- In , " Leonard " wrote:

>

> " Chemotherapy is curative in very few cancers - testicular,

Hodgkin's,

> choriocarcinoma, childhood leukemia. In most common solid tumors -

> lung, colon, breast, etc. - chemotherapy is NOT curative. " Dr.

Jürgen

> Buche, Preventorium Inst.

> www./group/Alternative_Breast_Cancer

> " Chemotherapy does not eliminate breast, colon, or lung cancers.

This

> fact has been documented for over a decade " Levin, MD UCSF The

> Healing of Cancer

> www.domaincountry.com/articles/health/treatments.shtml

> [snip]