heart problems

[Guest guest]

Eat some bananas for potassium and orange juice for both potassium and that heart-critical nutrient, MAGNESIUM. Most folks have an imbalance between calcium and magnesium with too much calcium.

see www.mgwater.com

http://www.vrp.com/art/1715.asp

In a message dated 9/3/2006 7:46:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, iodine writes:

Re: Heart problems Posted by: "sharflin" sharflin@... sharflin Date: Sun Sep 3, 2006 8:49 am (PDT)Not 3 grams, I'm sure. Is there a particular brand/type of potassium you recommend? I was thinking about calcium also but the last time I tried it months ago, my stomach was upset. I can get some bottled water high in calcium - do you have any suggestions for how much to try? Thanks much for your reply Lana, Sharon> How much potassium are you using? I had to get my diet up to about 3g a day> when I was having heart issues. Calcium is very important too.> > -Lana

mjh"The Basil Book"http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

, or anyone for that matter. Can you drive over

the border to Canada and buy Armour OTC?? Or is it

perscription there as well. I am going to be very

close to Canada in a few days and would drive over if

I can get it. Dorothy

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> I would suspect that you need thyroid meds and/or

> adrenal support. My pulse was always very rapid

> until I got both.

> Gracia

>

> I've been having heart sensations for a few weeks,

> and yesterday they

> got worse. I can feel my heart beating and my

> resting pulse is up from

> low 70s to high 80s. Yesterday after I exercised I

> felt very weak,

> like my blood sugar was low. I'm not sure what is

> going on, maybe

> those are hyper sympoms? I've been off my small

> dose of synthroid for

> several months after starting iodine, and haven't

> had any bloodwork

> done. I've tried magnesium, sea salt, and

> potassium, and none had any

> impact. Any ideas would be appreciated. Sharon

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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no it is not OTC in Canada, and pharmacies there used to carry "thyroid" from Parke I think which is basically Armour. But I have places to order Armour without Rx from Europe.

Europeans have to order from US and we order from them. kinda crazy.

Gracia

circe@...

, or anyone for that matter. Can you drive overthe border to Canada and buy Armour OTC?? Or is itperscription there as well. I am going to be veryclose to Canada in a few days and would drive over ifI can get it. Dorothy--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:> > I would suspect that you need thyroid meds and/or> adrenal support. My pulse was always very rapid> until I got both. > Gracia> > I've been having heart sensations for a few weeks,> and yesterday they > got worse. I can feel my heart beating and my> resting pulse is up from > low 70s to high 80s. Yesterday after I exercised I> felt very weak, > like my blood sugar was low. I'm not sure what is> going on, maybe > those are hyper sympoms? I've been off my small> dose of synthroid for > several months after starting iodine, and haven't> had any bloodwork > done. I've tried magnesium, sea salt, and> potassium, and none had any > impact. Any ideas would be appreciated. Sharon> > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 -> Release Date: 9/1/2006> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 -> Release Date: 9/1/2006> __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks much for the info.

> IF you already take a multi and eat dairy, i personally would not

start messing with

> calcium...everything is calcium fortified these days.

I eat on average an ounce of aged cheese a day. I don't take a multi

or any supplement with calcium in it. I'm not sure I get enough

calcium - what do you think? I took an epsom bath yesterday when I

was feeling bad. It didn't make me better. But it also did not make

me worse, which I thought perhaps indicated that it wasn't a calcium

deficit that was the problem. I.e., that if I had a calcium problem,

then the magnesium would have made me feel worse. Don't know if that

is justifiable logic.

> I would

> get some thyroid blood work done and see if you indeed do not need

thyroid hormone.

Yes, I need to get to the doctor. Thanks again,

Sharon

>

> --- sharflin <sharflin@...> wrote:

>

> > Not 3 grams, I'm sure. Is there a particular brand/type of

potassium

> > you recommend? I was thinking about calcium also but the last

time I

> > tried it months ago, my stomach was upset. I can get some

bottled

> > water high in calcium - do you have any suggestions for how much

to

> > try? Thanks much for your reply Lana,

> > Sharon

> >

> > > How much potassium are you using? I had to get my diet up to

> > about 3g a day

> > > when I was having heart issues. Calcium is very important too.

> > >

> > > -Lana

> > >

> > > On 9/3/06, sharflin <sharflin@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I've been having heart sensations for a few weeks, and

> > yesterday they

> > > > got worse. I can feel my heart beating and my resting pulse

is

> > up from

> > > > low 70s to high 80s. Yesterday after I exercised I felt very

> > weak,

> > > > like my blood sugar was low. I'm not sure what is going on,

maybe

> > > > those are hyper sympoms? I've been off my small dose of

> > synthroid for

> > > > several months after starting iodine, and haven't had any

> > bloodwork

> > > > done. I've tried magnesium, sea salt, and potassium, and

none

> > had any

> > > > impact. Any ideas would be appreciated. Sharon

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks much Lana and everyone else for your potassium food

recommendations! Sharon

> 1 cup Lima Beans or 1 baked Potato have over 900mg of Potassium.

Orange

> Juice and Bananas are also good sources, coming in just under 500mg

> Potassium per serving. Be careful about buying processed versions

of these

> foods though - depending on brand there could be little to no

potassium

> left. Baked beans with molasses (up to 900mg Potassium per Tbsp

for the

> good organic blackstrap type) can also be a good source.

>

> Make sure you are using only natural sea salt. Using pure sodium

chloride

> aka table salt causes you to more quickly deplete potassium.

>

> -Lana

>

> s low sodium tomato juice has 925 mg of potassium per 8

ounce

> > glass. Potassiumsupplements are limited by law to 99 mg. So you

must take

> > approximately 33 pills to get the RDA

> >

> > of potassium....best to get the tomato juice.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

> What you describe could be due to a number of things, including

> hyperthyroidism. Synthroid clears out of your system by 8 weeks

after

> discontinuation, so the Synthroid you were taking isn't

responsible for

> this.

Interesting fact about Synthroid - I had no idea it lasted that

long. I stopped taking it probably in February.

> If you have Hashimoto's autoimmune thyroid disease swings or

> autonomous thyroid nodules, taking iodine might have induced a

hyperthyroid

> state. How much iodine are you taking? Have you taken your

temperature?

> Hyperthyroidism would elevate the temperature above normal, as

would an

> infection.

My last antibody test was negative about 2 years ago. But my mother

has Hashimoto's and my sister had thyroid cancer. So I am always on

alert. My thyroid ultrasounds are not exactly perfect but nothing

that interested the radiologist or doctor (slightly big,

asymmetrical, very small nodules). That was probably 3 years ago. I

guess I can't rule those out - new lab work is in order. I'm taking

50mg iodine for the past 2 months or so. I built up very slowing

starting in January. I haven't been taking my temp regularly but I

did today and it was very even 98.2. I think that is consistent with

the last few months. I did test my reflexes and noticed that they

were very strong. Perhaps a bit too strong. My doc checks that when

assessing thyroid status.

> Adrenal insufficiency could explain heart palpitations and

exercise-induced

> weakness.

I thought of that too. But my temp was stable today, my pupils are

holding as much as they always have on the light test, and my facial

color is good (all things my doctor checks).

I don't know that it would account for the increased pulse. I

> agree that testing might help you sort out what is going on.

The only other thing I can think of is a hiatal hernia. I was

reading Dr. Bruce West's article on it and he had one after playing

volleyball with symptoms: slightly dizzy, trouble concentrating,

weak, trembly, and heart palpitations. Those of course are not the

only symptoms but they struck a chord with me. I'm going to try the

massage/manipulation he describes. And get an appointment with my

doctor for lab work. Thanks so much for all your thoughts - I really

appreciate it.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Gracia - I had no idea that could cause a rapid pulse.

Sharon

> I would suspect that you need thyroid meds and/or adrenal

support. My pulse was always very rapid until I got both.

> Gracia

[Guest guest]

Re: Heart problems

> Hi Lynn,

>

> > What you describe could be due to a number of things, including

> > hyperthyroidism. Synthroid clears out of your system by 8 weeks

> after

> > discontinuation, so the Synthroid you were taking isn't

> responsible for

> > this.

>

> Interesting fact about Synthroid - I had no idea it lasted that

> long. I stopped taking it probably in February.

>

> > If you have Hashimoto's autoimmune thyroid disease swings or

> > autonomous thyroid nodules, taking iodine might have induced a

> hyperthyroid

> > state. How much iodine are you taking? Have you taken your

> temperature?

> > Hyperthyroidism would elevate the temperature above normal, as

> would an

> > infection.

>

> My last antibody test was negative about 2 years ago. But my mother

> has Hashimoto's and my sister had thyroid cancer. So I am always on

> alert. My thyroid ultrasounds are not exactly perfect but nothing

> that interested the radiologist or doctor (slightly big,

> asymmetrical, very small nodules). That was probably 3 years ago. I

> guess I can't rule those out - new lab work is in order. I'm taking

> 50mg iodine for the past 2 months or so. I built up very slowing

> starting in January. I haven't been taking my temp regularly but I

> did today and it was very even 98.2. I think that is consistent with

> the last few months. I did test my reflexes and noticed that they

> were very strong. Perhaps a bit too strong. My doc checks that when

> assessing thyroid status.

>

> > Adrenal insufficiency could explain heart palpitations and

> exercise-induced

> > weakness.

>

> I thought of that too. But my temp was stable today, my pupils are

> holding as much as they always have on the light test, and my facial

> color is good (all things my doctor checks).

>

> I don't know that it would account for the increased pulse. I

> > agree that testing might help you sort out what is going on.

>

> The only other thing I can think of is a hiatal hernia. I was

> reading Dr. Bruce West's article on it and he had one after playing

> volleyball with symptoms: slightly dizzy, trouble concentrating,

> weak, trembly, and heart palpitations. Those of course are not the

> only symptoms but they struck a chord with me. I'm going to try the

> massage/manipulation he describes. And get an appointment with my

> doctor for lab work. Thanks so much for all your thoughts - I really

> appreciate it.

> Sharon

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Iodine

[Guest guest]

can this be from low progesterone.

Ellen

Re: Heart problems> Hi Lynn,> > > What you describe could be due to a number of things, including> > hyperthyroidism. Synthroid clears out of your system by 8 weeks > after> > discontinuation, so the Synthroid you were taking isn't > responsible for> > this. > > Interesting fact about Synthroid - I had no idea it lasted that > long. I stopped taking it probably in February. > > > If you have Hashimoto's autoimmune thyroid disease swings or> > autonomous thyroid nodules, taking iodine might have induced a > hyperthyroid> > state. How much iodine are you taking? Have you taken your > temperature?> > Hyperthyroidism would elevate the temperature above normal, as > would an> > infection.> > My last antibody test was negative about 2 years ago. But my mother > has Hashimoto's and my sister had thyroid cancer. So I am always on > alert. My thyroid ultrasounds are not exactly perfect but nothing > that interested the radiologist or doctor (slightly big, > asymmetrical, very small nodules). That was probably 3 years ago. I > guess I can't rule those out - new lab work is in order. I'm taking > 50mg iodine for the past 2 months or so. I built up very slowing > starting in January. I haven't been taking my temp regularly but I > did today and it was very even 98.2. I think that is consistent with > the last few months. I did test my reflexes and noticed that they > were very strong. Perhaps a bit too strong. My doc checks that when > assessing thyroid status. > > > Adrenal insufficiency could explain heart palpitations and > exercise-induced> > weakness. > > I thought of that too. But my temp was stable today, my pupils are > holding as much as they always have on the light test, and my facial > color is good (all things my doctor checks). > > I don't know that it would account for the increased pulse. I> > agree that testing might help you sort out what is going on.> > The only other thing I can think of is a hiatal hernia. I was > reading Dr. Bruce West's article on it and he had one after playing > volleyball with symptoms: slightly dizzy, trouble concentrating, > weak, trembly, and heart palpitations. Those of course are not the > only symptoms but they struck a chord with me. I'm going to try the > massage/manipulation he describes. And get an appointment with my > doctor for lab work. Thanks so much for all your thoughts - I really > appreciate it. > Sharon> > > > > > > > Iodine

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

> The possibility of a hiatal hernia explaining your symptoms sounds

> intriguing. Let us know if the recommended massage/manipulation

helps, and

> what your lab work shows.

So far no joy but I will let you know.

All we can do here is toss out theories based on

> the knowledge in our toolboxes, and if the cause is something out

of our

> experience or readings, then we'll probably miss it.

Absolutely. You just never know. But having a big group of smart,

knowledgeable, experienced people to go to, like on this list, is

invaluable. And way better than just asking myself questions!

Thanks again,

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Hi Dahlia,

> I'm on prescription strength potassium which my altmed put me on

years

> ago in response to a very low rbc potassium level, despite eating

tons

> and tons of vegetables. I just wasn't absorbing it, from what

I've read

> here, possibly due to thyroid problems. I now know I couldn't live

> without it. My rx says 8MEQ potassium chloride. I take it twice

a day.

Very interesting, Dahlia. I will be sure to request the RBC - it

seems very helpful to lots of people.

> My 2 cents:

> If after exercise you notice symptoms, what about ferritin levels?

I'll ask to have that checked too, thanks!

> Also if you are taking lots of mag (are you?), you really need some

> calcium. Not that much, imo, but definitely some. What kind of cal

upset

> your stomach? I like Pioneer Hydroxyapatite.

For magnesium, I take epsom baths or use a gel, probably every 1.5

weeks. If I do it too much I do get heart palpitations. (That does

seem significant...). For calcium I tried Country Life Calcium caps

w/boron. It lists 1000mg calcium as calcium aspertate, citrate,

carbonate, lysinate, alpha-ketoglutarate. I have trouble with about

50% of all supplements - I do recall taking a calcium supplement in

the past with no problems but don't remember the type or brand.

> So, what about your minerals? iron, potassium, selenium, mag and

cal?

> Also, I agree to get some thyroid blood work just to be sure, but

then

> also get a ferritin level. I found when mine was very low (19), I

> couldn't tolerate iodine and felt pretty shitty all around, esp

> noticeable after exercising.

I don't do anything special for iron and calcium. With potassium I

try to have at least one serving of a high potassium food (usually

tomato juice or potato) a day. I eat plenty of brazil nuts for

selenium.

> hope this helps,

Very much so. I appreciate your thoughts. Thanks!

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Carla~

no none of my three kids have complained of that, though, they aren't real good

at describing ANY of their symptoms!

I know Lyme can really mess with the heart, I don't think I have that

problem/stain/symptom, but I know many who have.

The Lyme bacteria can get inside the heart and just stay in there, swirling

around in the vortexes, and slowly take hold and cause the endocarditis, which

is very dangerous.

My heart symptoms come from " panic " . When I have panic attacks (usually when I

lay down or am sleeping) I wake up with just rapid and irregular bounding beats,

but nothing hot feeling in the heart itself.

Lis

[ ] Heart problems

On the subject of Lyme heart symptoms, have any of you or your children ever

experienced

what I call " fever in the heart " ? It will feel like my heart is having

a fever, a hot and tender, sore feeling. I don't know how else to

describe it. I used to get it regularly, like almost every evening for

years, but it finally subsided with enough treatment. My doctor retired, and

now it's creeping back again.

One of my doctors said years ago that he thought I had a subacute endocarditis

from Lyme. How would you even test for that? I had an echocardiogram that didn't

reveal a problem, though sometimes my EKG's have shown irregularities.

My children both had heart beats skipping and speeding up, slowing down, but

the overnight monitors didn't pick anything up. The last time we used one, it

erased itself somehow.

Carla

[Guest guest]

for monitoring the longer term loops are best--2 electrode patches put on new

every day--connected to a pager sized box they wear on a belt or in a pocket.

when they feel something or at various times ( after a meal) you press a button

and it records then you phone it in. You can keep them as long as 3 months!!

this way its not trying to catch something that isnt all the time

the only definitive test for endocarditis is a heart BIOPSY and I wouldnt

suggest that--due to obvious risks.

its a assumed diagnosis by symptoms--only if its very bad can it be heard on

stethoscope or seen with echocardiogram.

" subacute " ?translates to ?not easily seen, lingering and/or not exactly testable

but we still think its there

good luck

Finette

[ ] Heart problems

On the subject of Lyme heart symptoms, have any of you or your children ever

experienced

what I call " fever in the heart " ? It will feel like my heart is having

a fever, a hot and tender, sore feeling. I don't know how else to

describe it. I used to get it regularly, like almost every evening for

years, but it finally subsided with enough treatment. My doctor retired, and now

it's creeping back again.

One of my doctors said years ago that he thought I had a subacute endocarditis

from Lyme. How would you even test for that? I had an echocardiogram that didn't

reveal a problem, though sometimes my EKG's have shown irregularities.

My children both had heart beats skipping and speeding up, slowing down, but the

overnight monitors didn't pick anything up. The last time we used one, it erased

itself somehow.

Carla

[Guest guest]

Bartonella is very well known to trigger and even CAUSE panic--for me only if

the Bart is under control can I even manage my " panic " stuff!!!

the first time I was diagnosed with severe panic, no meds or therapy helped and

they all thought it paRT of the post partum depression crap--anyway finally was

diagnosed with Lyme and treated and it got a bit better BUT it wasnt untill

years later when they started to know to test for Bart that I was treated and

finally got real relief from panic sx

and last I checked Rifampin and levoquin dont have anti-panic modes so it had to

be the Bart!!!

good luck and get tested/treated for the Bartonellas!!!

Finette

Re: [ ] Heart problems

Carla~

no none of my three kids have complained of that, though, they aren't real good

at describing ANY of their symptoms!

I know Lyme can really mess with the heart, I don't think I have that

problem/stain/symptom, but I know many who have.

The Lyme bacteria can get inside the heart and just stay in there, swirling

around in the vortexes, and slowly take hold and cause the endocarditis, which

is very dangerous.

My heart symptoms come from " panic " . When I have panic attacks (usually when I

lay down or am sleeping) I wake up with just rapid and irregular bounding beats,

but nothing hot feeling in the heart itself.

Lis

[Guest guest]

thanks, yeah, my docs think I have several co-infections, but ever since I had

Lola (6 months ago) I am having a VERY HARD time getting back on treatment.

Treating 3 kids at once is very hard, and there's just nothing left for me. I

wish someone could just adopt them for a few years while I do all my meds. We

just can't seem to get started, I take just a pinch of Nystatin and I am in bed

by 3. I take a pinch of antibiotic and I am in bed by noon.

Who can do that when they have 3 kids? It is a never ending cycle...

Lis

Re: [ ] Heart problems

Carla~

no none of my three kids have complained of that, though, they aren't real

good at describing ANY of their symptoms!

I know Lyme can really mess with the heart, I don't think I have that

problem/stain/symptom, but I know many who have.

The Lyme bacteria can get inside the heart and just stay in there, swirling

around in the vortexes, and slowly take hold and cause the endocarditis, which

is very dangerous.

My heart symptoms come from " panic " . When I have panic attacks (usually when I

lay down or am sleeping) I wake up with just rapid and irregular bounding beats,

but nothing hot feeling in the heart itself.

Lis

[Guest guest]

I wore that Holter Monitor, it didn't show a thing....

[ ] Heart problems

On the subject of Lyme heart symptoms, have any of you or your children ever

experienced

what I call " fever in the heart " ? It will feel like my heart is having

a fever, a hot and tender, sore feeling. I don't know how else to

describe it. I used to get it regularly, like almost every evening for

years, but it finally subsided with enough treatment. My doctor retired, and

now it's creeping back again.

One of my doctors said years ago that he thought I had a subacute endocarditis

from Lyme. How would you even test for that? I had an echocardiogram that didn't

reveal a problem, though sometimes my EKG's have shown irregularities.

My children both had heart beats skipping and speeding up, slowing down, but

the overnight monitors didn't pick anything up. The last time we used one, it

erased itself somehow.

Carla

[Guest guest]

its not a " holter "

a long term loop monitor is different

how long did you wear yours??? how many events did you trace??

if you wore it at least 2 months ( Holters are 24-48 hrs tops) and you traced at

least 12-20 events then its reasonably safe to say that the symptoms felt are

not those that affect ekg and heart electrical pathways. Some symptoms arent

within those paths--

for example vagal nerve inflammation can cause a slowing or pausing of the heart

beat and yet it may not show on an ekg--it will show the changes but not the

reason

you can have plenty of scary symptoms they just wont be diagnosable by that

method of long term ekg's

Re: [ ] Heart problems

I wore that Holter Monitor, it didn't show a thing....

[ ] Heart problems

On the subject of Lyme heart symptoms, have any of you or your children ever

experienced

what I call " fever in the heart " ? It will feel like my heart is having

a fever, a hot and tender, sore feeling. I don't know how else to

describe it. I used to get it regularly, like almost every evening for

years, but it finally subsided with enough treatment. My doctor retired, and now

it's creeping back again.

One of my doctors said years ago that he thought I had a subacute endocarditis

from Lyme. How would you even test for that? I had an echocardiogram that didn't

reveal a problem, though sometimes my EKG's have shown irregularities.

My children both had heart beats skipping and speeding up, slowing down, but the

overnight monitors didn't pick anything up. The last time we used one, it erased

itself somehow.

Carla

[Guest guest]

I hear that--I raised three almost alone ( the ex was down the road but not?

much help)--after we?moved by ourselves when they were 15,13,9 which was 11 yrs

ago!!! and moving meant leaving a well built safety net of friends and family

before that it was as bad as being alone--with their dad having a 2 hr commute

and being gone all day and almost all weekend too

and on and off I needed health aides and various other help too so I feel your

struggle!!! its hard BUT like many told me--a mother has to get strong and take

care of HERSELF so that she can then take care of the kids

try not to forget that--on an airplane they alwasy tell a parent to place oxygen

on your own face FIRST and then help your kids!!! good advice all around

try your best to get help--there are groups and agencies ( churches, community

groups, health assists, etc etc) and take good care to get yourself well and

meanwhile youll be better able to help your kids!!

good luck and hang in

Finette

Re: [ ] Heart problems

thanks, yeah, my docs think I have several co-infections, but ever since I had

Lola (6 months ago) I am having a VERY HARD time getting back on treatment.

Treating 3 kids at once is very hard, and there's just nothing left for me. I

wish someone could just adopt them for a few years while I do all my meds. We

just can't seem to get started, I take just a pinch of Nystatin and I am in bed

by 3. I take a pinch of antibiotic and I am in bed by noon.

Who can do that when they have 3 kids? It is a never ending cycle...

Lis

Re: [ ] Heart problems

Carla~

no none of my three kids have complained of that, though, they aren't real good

at describing ANY of their symptoms!

I know Lyme can really mess with the heart, I don't think I have that

problem/stain/symptom, but I know many who have.

The Lyme bacteria can get inside the heart and just stay in there, swirling

around in the vortexes, and slowly take hold and cause the endocarditis, which

is very dangerous.

My heart symptoms come from " panic " . When I have panic attacks (usually when I

lay down or am sleeping) I wake up with just rapid and irregular bounding beats,

but nothing hot feeling in the heart itself.

Lis

[Guest guest]

Thanks Finette and ,

Very helpful.

Carla

>

>

> for monitoring the longer term loops are best--2 electrode patches put

on new every day--connected to a pager sized box they wear on a belt or

in a pocket. when they feel something or at various times ( after a

meal) you press a button and it records then you phone it in. You can

keep them as long as 3 months!!

>

>

>

> this way its not trying to catch something that isnt all the time

>

>

>

> the only definitive test for endocarditis is a heart BIOPSY and I

wouldnt suggest that--due to obvious risks.

>

> its a assumed diagnosis by symptoms--only if its very bad can it be

heard on stethoscope or seen with echocardiogram.

>

>

>

>

> " subacute " ?translates to ?not easily seen, lingering and/or not

exactly testable but we still think its there

>

> good luck

> Finette

>

>

>

> [ ] Heart problems

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On the subject of Lyme heart symptoms, have any of you or your

children ever experienced

> what I call " fever in the heart " ? It will feel like my heart is having

> a fever, a hot and tender, sore feeling. I don't know how else to

> describe it. I used to get it regularly, like almost every evening for

> years, but it finally subsided with enough treatment. My doctor

retired, and now it's creeping back again.

>

> One of my doctors said years ago that he thought I had a subacute

endocarditis from Lyme. How would you even test for that? I had an

echocardiogram that didn't reveal a problem, though sometimes my EKG's

have shown irregularities.

>

> My children both had heart beats skipping and speeding up, slowing

down, but the overnight monitors didn't pick anything up. The last time

we used one, it erased itself somehow.

>

> Carla

>

>

[Guest guest]

I live in a low testosterone environment and preview heart problems

sooner or later. I wonder what I can do alternatively to avoid hard

allopathic drugs. here is what I'v been doing so far

100 mg Co-Q10.

Hawthorn

Ribose

VeinLite by Chi Enterprises, which is a mixture of salvia miltiorrhiza,

carthamus tincorius, paconia rubra. and

ligusticum chuanxiong

Anything else I can do?

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>   Dr. Bruce West has a program using various Standard Process products that

has worked miracles in many people......I am one of them.  My heart problems

were so bad I really did not expect to live.   Josie

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Hi PickPink,

Please tell us what your symptoms were and which products helped you.

Do you have a diagnosis of CFS?

Kind regards,

Sandy

PickPinkFlowers <haggisisscotsfood@> wrote:

> >

Dr. Bruce West has a program using various Standard Process

products that has worked miracles in many people......I am one of

them. My heart problems were so bad I really did not expect to

live. Josie