Re: The Raw Food Pyramid

[Guest guest]

That is brilliant Elliot and looks about perfect I am working on my diet

but still have a way to go! I take it you don't follow the Budwig protocol.

Could I ask you why not as I am looking into starting it shortly.

One thing that concerns me with Budwig is that you musn't take supplements.

I don't take many but do feel that selenium is important. I know brazil nuts

have selenium but I also read that once they are shelled they lose some of

it.

Another thing I take is one teaspoon of " sole " made from Himalayan Salt in a

glass of water first thing. I have read that it is really good for you and

completely different from the commercial salt. does a anyone have any

comments on this.

My aim is to learn as much as possible about the right healthy diet

Joni

From: " breathedeepnow "

>I am not certain about the source for this, but it looks pretty good

> to me. My wife had the list taped to our refrigerator. These are the

> things someone who wishes to eat a raw diet needs to eat....

>

[Guest guest]

Elliot,

Thanks for sharing. This looks like it could have been pulled from

almost any " raw food " book or cookbook. I have read them all, over and

over! The one thing that one does need to keep in mind is the

controversy over how much, if any, fruit should be included for those

with cancer, as sugar has been said to feed cancer.

As an aside, for those of us who are naturally thin like myself, I have

found it difficult to maintain my weight on the raw foods diet, which

is another concern for those already with cancer.

Lori

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From: breathedeepnow

> I am not certain about the source for this...These are

> the things someone who wishes to eat a raw diet needs to eat, from

> most to least:

> 1) Plenty of pure or purified water (.5 oz per pound of body

> weight is a good estimate of how much to drink daily)

> 2) Leafy greens - kale, collards, chard, dandelion, leaf lettuce

> 3) Vegetables - peppers, broccoli,squash, onions, asparagus, etc

> 4) Fruit - berries, apples, pears, peaches, etc.

> Those first 4 are the Foundation of the diet. Next come:

> 5) Sprouts - mung, radish, broccoli, etc

> 6) Nuts and Seeds - walnuts, almonds, brazil nuts, etc.

> 7) Herbs and Grasses - barley green, wheat grass, alfalfa, etc.

> 8) Algae - chlorella, spirulina, kelp, etc.

> I do not eat exactly according to the above chart. I do eat some

> grains, both cooked and raw, and I eat some clean, organic or wild

> beef, chicken, eggs and fish on occasion. Elliot

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori,

As a raw foodist who cannot lose weight, let me tell you...can we trade

weight problems for a day?

For some raw foodists, it is difficult to keep weight on. They have to

eat an amazing amount of food in order to do so. And exercise is

recommended in order to build muscle. They say that after a year or so,

the body will rebuild and gain weight on its own if following the raw

food diet.

ar

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Arlyn Grant

arlynsg@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Arlyn,

Thanks for " weighing in " on the subject! :]

I have read what you stated about gaining weight and rebuilding.

While that may be true, I was already a trim, muscular, and fit 110

pound woman at 5'6, and I am now trying to maintain my 100 pounds!

Obviously I cannot continue to lose weight, and wait a year, even if

what has been stated is true. I am a brain cancer survivor, and I

survived brain surgery last Christmas, so that also comes into play of

course. I believe in juicing and raw foods, but one needs to be wary

of becoming an " absolutist " if it seems as though it's not healthy for

you as a person... People need to be aware of the various issues out

there, surrounding any diet or protocol.

Lori

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlyn Grant

> Hi Lori,

> As a raw foodist who cannot lose weight, let me tell you...can we

> tradeweight problems for a day? For some raw foodists, it is difficult to

keep weight on. They have to eat an amazing amount of food in order to do so.

And exercise is recommended in order to build muscle. They say that after a

year or so,the body will rebuild and gain weight on its own if following the raw

food diet.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori,

You've survived a lot, I commend you.

I agree with you 100% and it's why I do not eat 100% raw. We each must

make our own decisions as to how we wish to eat. I have always believed

that common sense must be used when deciding on diet. I got very

annoyed with many raw foodists whose ideas I do not agree with.

My best to you.

ar

--

Arlyn Grant

arlynsg@...

[Guest guest]

Very good start,

Elliot how do you maintain your protein level. I am 6' 2 " and weigh 205 lbs. I

have been eating wild fish for protein. Any other suggestions. Also my

naturopath told me that I have bacteria in my stomach from chicken that is

upsetting the digestive process.

I only eat hormone free chicken and about two to three times per week at dinner.

Any other good sources besides legumes and beans.

Al

PS I will post my story this weekend. I have not had a chance yet.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Al.

I am looking forward to reading your story!

Hmmm... 205 and 6' 2 " ... Do you carry that weight well? I should

think you could drop at least 10 pounds without any problem, no?

" Bacteria in your stomach from chicken that is upsetting the

digestive process " ? Al, I am as wary of naturopaths, chiropractors

and other alternative physicians as I am of mainstream doctors. Maybe

he is right. But maybe he is wrong, too. :+) How did he determine

that you have these bacteria in your stomach?

Al, there is a myth that vegetables do not contain protein, or that

someone on a vegan diet cannot get enough protein. Here are some

links to pages to look at:

http://www.weightlossforall.com/protein%20combinations.htm

http://www.weightlossforall.com/protein-meat.htm

http://www.weightlossforall.com/protein-vegetable.htm

http://www.weightlossforall.com/calories-beans-peas.htm

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm

In order to get enough protein without eating animal products, it is

necessary to eat plenty of other foods. But that is good, because

then one not only gets the protein one needs; one also gets the bulk

and the fiber one needs in order to be healthy. Plenty of high bulk,

low calorie foods = a lesser amount of low bulk, high calorie foods,

and the former is MUCH better for you in MANY ways!

ABOUT FOOD COMBINING: I ignore worrying about food combining. I found

I had much worse problems with gas and indigestion when I was still

eating plenty of animal protein and cooked foods than I do now, when

I am eating mainly raw, and CHEWING THINGS SLOWLY AND WELL. When I

was eating animal protein and cooked things, I regularly would have

days when the gas just would not stop. It was amazing how much gas my

body could produce throughout the day. I NEVER have such times now,

and I DO NOT concern myself with " proper food combining. " I DO make

sure I eat a WIDE variety of foods, and I DO take a whole foods multi-

vitamin and some other supplements.

The thing about paying too much attention to food combining is that

it can turn one off to eating vegan because it just becomes more

trouble than one can handle! It's the same thing with juicing: Dr.

Mercola, when he talks about juicing, says to drink the juice and

then eat the pulp with a spoon. I say " Bleeeah! " and I say that if I

wanted the pulp, I'd eat the WHOLE vegetable or fruit and would not

bother to juice it. There is no sense getting so obsessed with doing

things " just right " that one ends up not doing them at all.

On the vegan, mainly raw diet my wife and I have been doing for about

8 months, I have dropped to about 158 pounds first thing in the

morning, and have remained at that weight for the last several

months. I am 6 feet tall, and I feel fine. I would like to do some

weight-bearing exercise in addition to the daily rebounding I do.

Will get to that one day soon.

I am glad to know you are not eating commercial animal protein. There

is no question in my mind anymore that commercial animal protein is

treated inhumanely and is filthy.

Best wishes,

Elliot

[Guest guest]

And if you feel lazy from time to time (as I do ) ) and tire of making

endless salads, use your VitaMix (for those who have one), which combines both

the juice and pulp of mixed veggies in the most delightful way. A person would

never know that the pulp is a part of the smoothie and has been masticated far

better than our teeth or our juicers could ever manage and thus releasing more

of the veggies' nutrients.

Cheers & hugs,

Jan