Re: Magnesium - Dr. Sircus

[Guest guest]

Mark and , I have a magnesium cream that I rub into the thin areas

of my skin---chest, inside of forearms, ankles, etc. Not sure how much

I need a day, either.

Elliot

[Guest guest]

you are not really asking the question in the right way.

Yes that sounds like a good formula if you are in fact needing calcium which you

probably do not if you eat lots of dairy.

The dosage depends on what you need to do with the magneisum and how you are

going to apply it. The greater the need, like in cancer or diabetic neuropathy

the great the dose. I know a doctor, retired, pedatrician and magneisum

researcher who had diabetic neuropathy and he took 20 grams a day orally and it

did the trick where nothing else did or would. Now he also had magnesium wasting

disease so he had to overcompensate for that. Thus he said most people would do

fine with two or three grams...oral....I am the transdermal magneism doctor

having written the one and only book on the subject....but recommend combo

approach.....also important info...natural magnesium is something different than

pharmaceutical............many magneisum supplements and the pure crystal you

can buy at the drug store has quite a bit more heavy metals especially high in

lead.............which is not helpful one bit.

Most of the population is dramatically deficient in magneisum.......

Dr. Sircus

From: Niewiara

Dr. Sircus

How much Magnesium should one take per day? I'm

taking a product called Gillham's Natural Calm

Plus Calcium. It is a powder that I mix with warm

water. Four teaspoons contain 600mg of Magnesium and

400mg of Calcium, plus some other minerals.

[Guest guest]

> Yes that sounds like a good formula if you are in

> fact needing calcium which you probably do not if

> you eat lots of dairy.

I do not eat any dairy, therefore I don't get much

calcium. I'm wondering though, shouldn't there be a

proper ratio of CA and Mg for optimal cell function?

Could taking too much Mg throw other minerals in the

body out of balance, including potassium?

>

> The dosage depends on what you need to do with the

> magneisum and how you are going to apply it. The

> greater the need, like in cancer or diabetic

> neuropathy the great the dose.

How do you determine the need? What side effects have

you seen from high dose therapy? I would think that

anyone who suffers from kidney disease could not

undergo high dose Mg therapy.

I am the transdermal magneism doctor

> having written the one and only book on the

> subject....but recommend combo approach.....also

> important info...natural magnesium is something

> different than pharmaceutical............many

> magneisum supplements and the pure crystal you can

> buy at the drug store has quite a bit more heavy

> metals especially high in lead.............which is

> not helpful one bit.

You mention natural magnesium and that brings me to my

next question. Why not take spirulina or chlorophyll?

Chlorophyll even in large doses is non-toxic.

There is one question that I still don't think has

been answered and that is, has this therapy been

effective for cancer? That is why most of us are

here. Exploring our options and sharing information

on therapies.

Thank you in advance for your kind response,

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[Guest guest]

Good ratio is one to one. Yes someone with the kidneys on their last legs

would have to be very careful otherwise it is safer and less toxic than vitamin

C...just about equal actually if I remember my charts.

The need...if you have cancer you can consider the need at the extreme end, same

with diabetes and neuropathy...

I love spirulina, truly, but it is very difficult to bring your magneisum levels

up even with that even if you eat 20 grams a day but...that would be good

emergency dosage of it though...spiriulina is like nutritional rocket fuel..and

has GLA which is nice to have in your system if you have cancer....

We are talking about using magnesium chloride...not other forms of

magnesium...as a medicine just like the emergency room people do it. Let me

paste in below the reason for using magneisum for cancer from that chapter I am

compiling for you all. Been very lazy today to finish it...been prefering to

respond to real live people today....now you tell me if you think you should

take it if you have cancer.

Magnesium and Cancer

It is known that carcinogenesis induces magnesium distribution disturbances,

which cause magnesium mobilization through blood cells and magnesium depletion

in non-neoplastic tissues. Magnesium deficiency seems to be carcinogenic, and in

case of solid tumors, a high level of supplemented magnesium inhibits

carcinogenesis. Both carcinogenesis and magnesium deficiency increase the

plasma membrane permeability and fluidity.

Calcium and magnesium are opposites in their effects

on our body structure. As a general rule, the more

rigid and inflexible our body structure is, the

less calcium and the more magnesium we need.

Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent studies

showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of prostate cancer.

" There is reasonable evidence to suggest that calcium may play an important role

in the development of prostate cancer, " says Dr. Carmen , senior

epidemiologist in the epidemiology and surveillance research department of the

American Cancer Society (ACS). says that a 1998 Harvard School of

Public Health study of 47,781 men found those consuming between 1,500 and 1,999

mg of calcium per day had about double the risk of being diagnosed with

metastatic (cancer that has spread to other parts of the body) prostate cancer

as those getting 500 mg per day or less. And those taking in 2,000 mg or more

had over four times the risk of developing metastatic prostate cancer as those

taking in less than 500 mg.

The recommended daily allowance (RDA) of calcium is

1,000 mg per day for men, and 1,500 mg for women.

Later in 1998, Harvard researchers published a study of dairy product intake

among 526 men diagnosed with prostate cancer and 536 similar men not diagnosed

with the disease. That study found a 50% increase in prostate cancer risk and a

near doubling of risk of metastatic prostate cancer among men consuming high

amounts of dairy products, likely due, say the researchers, to the high total

amount of calcium in such a diet. The most recent Harvard study on the topic,

published in October 2001, looked at dairy product intake among 20,885 men and

found men consuming the most dairy products had about 32% higher risk of

developing prostate cancer than those consuming the least.

Magnesium is the mineral of rejuvenation and prevents the

calcification of our organs and tissues that is characteristic

of the old-age related degeneration of our body.

Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent studies

showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of prostate cancer.

" There is reasonable evidence to suggest that calcium may play an important role

in the development of prostate cancer, " says Dr. Carmen , senior

epidemiologist in the epidemiology and surveillance research department of the

American Cancer Society (ACS). says that a 1998 Harvard School of

Public Health study of 47,781 men found those consuming between 1,500 and 1,999

mg of calcium per day had about double the risk of being diagnosed with

metastatic (cancer that has spread to other parts of the body) prostate cancer

as those getting 500 mg per day or less. And those taking in 2,000 mg or more

had over four times the risk of developing metastatic prostate cancer as those

taking in less than 500 mg.

It certainly is time to get serious about cancer prevention, with the disease

predicted to surge in the next 15 years. Researchers from the School of Public

Health at the University of Minnesota have just concluded that diets rich in

magnesium reduced the occurrence of colon cancer.[ii] A previous study from

Sweden[iii] reported that women with the highest magnesium intake had a 40 per

cent lower risk of developing the cancer than those with the lowest intake of

the mineral.

Several studies have shown an increased cancer rate in regions with low

magnesium levels in soil and drinking water, and the same for selenium. In Egypt

the cancer rate was only about 10% of that in Europe and America. In the rural

fellah it was practically non-existent. The main difference was an extremely

high magnesium intake of 2.5 to 3 g in these cancer-free populations, ten times

more than in most western countries.[iv]

The School of Public Health at the Kaohsiung Medical College in,

Taiwan, found that magnesium also exerts a protective effect

against gastric cancer, but only for the group with the highest levels.[v]

It is known that carcinogenesis induces magnesium

distribution disturbances which cause magnesium mobilization through blood cells

and magnesium depletion in non-neoplastic tissues. Magnesium deficiency seems to

be carcinogenic and in cases of solid tumors, high levels of magnesium inhibits

carcinogenesis.[vi] Both carcinogenesis and magnesium deficiency increase the

plasma membrane permeability and fluidity.

Magnesium protects cells from aluminum, mercury, lead,

cadmium, beryllium and nickel, which explains why re-mineralization is so

essential for heavy metal detoxification and chelation. Magnesium protects the

cell against oxyradical damage and assists in the absorption and metabolism of B

vitamins, vitamin C and E, which are anti-oxidants important in cell protection.

Recent evidence suggests that vitamin E enhances glutathione levels and may play

a protective role in magnesium deficiency-induced cardiac lesions.[vii]

Magnesium in general is essential for the survival of our cells but takes on

further importance in the age of toxicity where our bodies are being bombarded

on a daily basis with heavy metals. Magnesium thus protects the brain from toxic

effects of chemicals. It is highly likely that low total body magnesium

contributes to heavy metal toxicity in children and is a strong participant in

the etiology of learning disorders.

Dr Seeger and Dr Budwig in Germany have shown that cancer is mainly the result

of a faulty energy metabolism in the powerhouses of the cells, the mitochondria.

ATP and most of the enzymes involved in the production of energy require

magnesium. A healthy cell has high magnesium and low calcium levels. The problem

that comes with low magnesium (Mg) levels is the calcium builds up inside the

cells while energy production decreases as the mitochondria gradually calcify.

" Mg2+ is critical for all of the energetics of the cells because it is

absolutely required that Mg2+ be bound (chelated) by ATP (adenosine

triphosphate), the central high energy compound of the body. ATP without Mg2+

bound cannot create the energy normally used by specific enzymes of the body to

make protein, DNA, RNA, transport sodium or potassium or calcium in and out of

cells, nor to phosphorylate proteins in response to hormone signals, etc. In

fact, ATP without enough Mg2+ is non-functional and leads to cell death. Bound

Mg2+ holds the triphosphate in the correct stereochemical position so that it

can interact with ATP using enzymes and the Mg2+ also polarizes the phosphate

backbone so that the 'backside of the phosphorous' is more positive and

susceptible to attack by nucleophilic agents such as hydroxide ion or other

negatively charged compounds. Bottom line, Mg2+ at critical concentrations is

essential to life, " says Dr. Boyd Haley who asserts strongly that, " All

detoxification mechanisms have as the bases of the energy required to remove a

toxicant the need for Mg-ATP to drive the process. There is nothing done in the

body that does not use energy and without Mg2+ this energy can neither be made

nor used. " Detoxification of carcinogenic chemical poisons is essential for

people want to avoid the ravages of cancer. The importance of magnesium in

cancer prevention should not be underestimated.

The School of Public Health at the Kaohsiung Medical College in,

Taiwan, found that magnesium also exerts a protective effect

against gastric cancer, but only for the group with the highest levels.[viii]

Among other effects, magnesium improves the internal production of defensive

substances, such as antibodies and considerably improves the operational

activity of white, granulozytic blood cells (shown by Delbet with magnesium

chloride), and contributes to many other functions that insure the integrity of

cellular metabolism.

Without sufficient magnesium, the body accumulates toxins and acid residues,

degenerates rapidly, and ages prematurely. Recent research has pointed to low

glutathione levels being responsible for children's vulnerability to mercury

poisoning from vaccines.[ix] It seems more than reasonable to assume that low

levels of magnesium would also render a child vulnerable. And in fact we find

out that glutathione requires magnesium for its synthesis.[x] Glutathione

synthetase requires ?-glutamyl cysteine, glycine, ATP, and magnesium ions to

form glutathione.[xi] In magnesium deficiency, the enzyme y-glutamyl

transpeptidase is lowered.[xii] Data demonstrates a direct action of glutathione

both in vivo and in vitro to enhance intracellular magnesium and a clinical

linkage between cellular magnesium, GSH/GSSG ratios, and tissue glucose

metabolism.[xiii] Magnesium deficiency causes glutathione loss, which is not

affordable because glutathione helps to defend the body against damage from

cigarette smoking, exposure to radiation, cancer chemotherapy, and toxins such

as alcohol and just about everything else.

According to Dr. Blaylock, low magnesium is associated with dramatic

increases in free radical generation as well as glutathione depletion and this

is vital since glutathione is one of the few antioxidant molecules known to

neutralize mercury.[xiv] Thus, sadly, children receiving thimerosal containing

vaccines are sitting ducks to mercury when both magnesium and glutathione levels

are low. Also under the shadow of magnesium deficiency too much Nitric Oxide

(NO) is produced which in turn may react with superoxide to form a very damaging

compound peroxynitrite. Low magnesium levels can induce such excessive NO

production that even the glutathione in the red blood cells is damaged. These

could provide some possible explanations for why magnesium seems to protect the

arteries.[xv]

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Durlach J, Bara M, Guiet-Bara A, Collery P. Relationship between magnesium,

cancer and carcinogenic or anticancer metals. Anticancer Res. 1986

Nov-Dec;6(6):1353-61.

[ii] American Journal of Epidemiology (Vol. 163, pp. 232-235)

[iii] Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol. 293, pp. 86-89

[iv] MAY 19, 1931, Dr. P. Schrumpf-Pierron presented a paper entitled " On the

Cause Of the Rarity of Cancer in Egypt, " which was printed in the Bulletin of

the Academy of Medicine, and the Bulletin of the French Association for the

Study of Cancer in July, 1931. http://www.mgwater.com/rod02.shtml

[v] Yang CY et al. Jpn J Cancer Res.1998 Feb;89 (2):124-30. Calcium, magnesium,

and nitrate in drinking water and gastric cancer mortality.

[vi] Durlach J, Bara M, Guiet-Bara A, Collery P. Relationship between magnesium,

cancer and carcinogenic or anticancer metals. Anticancer Res. 1986

Nov-Dec;6(6):1353-61.

[vii] Barbagallo, et al. Effects of Vitamin E and Glutathione on Glucose

Metabolism: Role of Magnesium; (Hypertension. 1999;34:1002-1006.)

[viii] Yang CY et al. Jpn J Cancer Res.1998 Feb;89 (2):124-30. Calcium,

magnesium, and nitrate in drinking water and gastric cancer mortality.

[ix] Environmental Working Group. http://www.ewg.org/reports/autism/part1.php

[x] Linus ing Institute

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/magnesium/index.html#function

[xi] Virginia Minnich, M. B. , M. J. Brauner, and Philip W. Majerus.

Glutathione biosynthesis in human erythrocytes. Department of Internal Medicine,

Washington University School of Medicine, J Clin Invest. 1971 March; 50(3):

507-513. Abstract: The two enzymes required for de novo glutathione synthesis,

glutamyl cysteine synthetase and glutathione synthetase, have been demonstrated

in hemolysates of human erythrocytes. Glutamyl cysteine synthetase requires

glutamic acid, cysteine, adenosine triphosphate (ATP), and magnesium ions to

form ?-glutamyl cysteine. The activity of this enzyme in hemolysates from 25

normal subjects was 0.43±0.04 ?mole glutamyl cysteine formed per g hemoglobin

per min. Glutathione synthetase requires ?-glutamyl cysteine, glycine, ATP, and

magnesium ions to form glutathione. The activity of this enzyme in hemolysates

from 25 normal subjects was 0.19±0.03 ?mole glutathione formed per g hemoglobin

per min. Glutathione synthetase also catalyzes an exchange reaction between

glycine and glutathione, but this reaction is not significant under the

conditions used for assay of hemolysates. The capacity for erythrocytes to

synthesize glutathione exceeds the rate of glutathione turnover by 150-fold,

indicating that there is considerable reserve capacity for glutathione

synthesis. A patient with erythrocyte glutathione synthetase deficiency has been

described. The inability of patients' extracts to synthesize glutathione is

corrected by the addition of pure glutathione synthetase, indicating that there

is no inhibitor in the patients' erythrocytes.

[xii] Braverman, E.R. (with Pfeiffer, C.C.)(1987). The healing nutrients within:

Facts, findings and new research on amino acids. New Canaan: Keats Publishing

[xiii] Barbagallo, M. et al. Effects of glutathione on red blood cell

intracellular magnesium: relation to glucose metabolism. Hypertension. 1999

Jul;34(1):76-82. Institute of Internal Medicine and Geriatrics, University of

Palermo, Italy. mabar@...

[xiv] http://www.dorway.org/blayautism.txt

[xv] Mak IT; Komarov AM; Wagner TL; Stafford RE; Dickens BF; Weglicki WB Address

Department of Medicine, Washington University Medical Center, Washington,

District of Columbia 20037, USA. Source Am J Physiol, 1996 Jul, 271:1 Pt 1,

C385-90

From: Niewiara

I do not eat any dairy, therefore I don't get much

calcium. I'm wondering though, shouldn't there be a

proper ratio of CA and Mg for optimal cell function?

Could taking too much Mg throw other minerals in the

body out of balance, including potassium?

How do you determine the need? What side effects have

you seen from high dose therapy? I would think that

anyone who suffers from kidney disease could not

undergo high dose Mg therapy.

You mention natural magnesium and that brings me to my

next question. Why not take spirulina or chlorophyll?

Chlorophyll even in large doses is non-toxic.

There is one question that I still don't think has

been answered and that is, has this therapy been

effective for cancer? That is why most of us are

here. Exploring our options and sharing information

on therapies.

[Guest guest]

Mark, you wrote:

" Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent

studies showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of

prostate cancer. "

That depends on the SOURCE of the calcium. I understand that if one is

eating plenty of green vegetables, green leafies and other WHOLE,

natural, vegetable foods, it is not at all the same as if one is

drinking and eating a lot of dairy, or taking calcium supplements.

And whole vegetable sources of calcium generally have magnesium in

them, too!

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Yes Elliot...and most dairy is contaminated with hormones etc anyway.

Even though food is medicine you cannot eat enough magneisum bearing foods to

recover depleted magneisum levels. Its almost impossible in todays worlds no

matter what you eat to get enough magnesium for we need more because of all the

poisons and heavy metals we have to process daily and we get less because most

foods except organic ones are declining in nutritional value.

Best chance though through food would be spirulina and toasted sessame seeds,

which are also high in calcium. If you have enough magneisum calcium is not a

problem...............

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From: breathedeepnow

Mark, you wrote:

" Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent

studies showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of

prostate cancer. "

That depends on the SOURCE of the calcium. I understand that if one is

eating plenty of green vegetables, green leafies and other WHOLE,

natural, vegetable foods, it is not at all the same as if one is

drinking and eating a lot of dairy, or taking calcium supplements.

And whole vegetable sources of calcium generally have magnesium in

them, too!

Elliot

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[Guest guest]

I am taking 800 mg. of calcium a day. Is that excessive? How do we define

" Excessive " ?

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[Guest guest]

First I would look at why you are taking calcium at all.

But in a strict meaning you would define that question of excessive by looking

at the magneisum cellular levels and we would back up into that without costly

testing by looking at what your are taking as far as magnesium. If you are not

taking magnesium stop taking the calcium and start taking magnesium, transdermal

style heavily for four to six months to raise your magnesium levels. Then would

relook at your general situation about calcium, chances are its the last thing

you need to supplement with. Certainly would be the last thing on my protocol

list. Information about this is going to be posted today to my new site...I have

completed 21 pages synthesis which includes science on exactly this question as

it relates to cancer

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From: jpking@...

I am taking 800 mg. of calcium a day. Is that excessive? How do we define

" Excessive " ?

[Guest guest]

i beleive if you are taking 1000mg daily that is

normal for someone under 50 years of age. Then it

should be increased once you approach 50.

susan

[Guest guest]

I've heard you can make your own colloidal magnesium.

" Mark Sircus wrote:

> Even though food is medicine you cannot eat enough magneisum

bearing foods to recover depleted magneisum levels. Its almost

impossible in todays worlds no matter what you eat....

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Where can I purchase quality transdermal magnesium?

Is this a patch or a topical creme?

Thanks,

--- " Mark Sircus Ac., OMD " <director@...> wrote:

> First I would look at why you are taking calcium at

> all.

> But in a strict meaning you would define that

> question of excessive by looking at the magneisum

> cellular levels and we would back up into that

> without costly testing by looking at what your are

> taking as far as magnesium. If you are not taking

> magnesium stop taking the calcium and start taking

> magnesium, transdermal style heavily for four to six

> months to raise your magnesium levels. Then would

> relook at your general situation about calcium,

> chances are its the last thing you need to

> supplement with. Certainly would be the last thing

> on my protocol list. Information about this is going

> to be posted today to my new site...I have completed

> 21 pages synthesis which includes science on exactly

> this question as it relates to cancer

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