HCl

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

> If you take HCL and you feel more burning in the upper region of the chest

what would that mean?

> I am making changes to do your protocol and trying to sort out the detaisl.

+++Hi Sue. That means you have taken too much HCl, so take less at the next

meal.

To alleviate the burning take 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda in 4-5 ounces of

non-chlorinated water and sip it until the burning subsides.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I've read the articles and looked at older posts. Question for

> clarification: should I take HCL regularly even when I'm not

> experiencing digestive problems?

+++Hi . No, you wouldn't need to take HCl if you have no digestive

issues.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

I have a similar question. I do not experience bloating, constipation, see

undigested food in my stool or other things that I associate with poor

digestion.

However, about two months before I started the diet I experienced intermittent

strong stomach pain (just below my rib cage) that did not seem to correlate with

when I eat. (I wake with it milfly in the am sometimes.) The only other time I

experienced this in my life was eight years ago when I was taking lots of Advil

for six months to control pain from a hip surgery that I had. I was worried I

might be getting an ulcer but after stopping the Advil, it went away. I have

tested negative for H Pylori a year ago, but do have poor adrenal function and

Hashis thyroid.

The stomach pain is much improved on the diet, athough I still have it

sometimes. In fact, the coffee enema seemed to create a mild burning in that

same area for a few days. Interestingly, when I went off diet for 2 1/2 days, it

came back. I am sort of suspecting a gluten intolerance. Or maybe it's toxins

moving around?

Does this mean I should be taking HCL or not? I have been taking 2 capsules but

do not notice any difference when I forget them or take them.

Chris

>

> I've read the articles and looked at older posts. Question for

> clarification: should I take HCL regularly even when I'm not

> experiencing digestive problems?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I have a similar question. I do not experience bloating, constipation, see

undigested food in my stool or other things that I associate with poor

digestion.

>

> However, about two months before I started the diet I experienced intermittent

strong stomach pain (just below my rib cage) that did not seem to correlate with

when I eat. (I wake with it milfly in the am sometimes.) The only other time I

experienced this in my life was eight years ago when I was taking lots of Advil

for six months to control pain from a hip surgery that I had. I was worried I

might be getting an ulcer but after stopping the Advil, it went away. I have

tested negative for H Pylori a year ago, but do have poor adrenal function and

Hashis thyroid.

>

> The stomach pain is much improved on the diet, athough I still have it

sometimes. In fact, the coffee enema seemed to create a mild burning in that

same area for a few days. Interestingly, when I went off diet for 2 1/2 days, it

came back. I am sort of suspecting a gluten intolerance. Or maybe it's toxins

moving around?

+++Hi Chris. This diet excludes all glutens, which are found in grains, so you

couldn't be having gluten reactions.

What side of your rib cage did you get those strong stomach pains?

>

> Does this mean I should be taking HCL or not? I have been taking 2 capsules

but do not notice any difference when I forget them or take them.

+++You probably don't need HCl - remember that I recommend HCl under " Improve

Digestion " so that assumes digestion is poor.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

-Hi Bee,

I get the pain and/or burning sensation in the middle, just below my ribs, which

seems to be my upper stomach area?

That is true I guess that if I am not eating glutens, it couldn't be from that!

But twice in four months I have had a period where I was partially--but not

terribly-- off-diet (traveling on a college tour w/daughter for a week) and 2

1/2 days out of town and that's when the stomach pain returned and lingered a

few days even once back on diet. Toxins?

The main time I experienced the mild burning (that left me w/out an appetite)

was for three days post-coffee enema. I wonder if it stirred up toxins in my GI

tract. Getting ready for enema #2 and will see if I have the same experience.

Chris

Interestingly, when I went off diet for 2 1/2 days, it came back. I am sort of

suspecting a gluten intolerance. Or maybe it's toxins moving around?

>

> +++Hi Chris. This diet excludes all glutens, which are found in grains, so

you couldn't be having gluten reactions.

>

> What side of your rib cage did you get those strong stomach pains?

[Guest guest]

>

> -Hi Bee,

>

> I get the pain and/or burning sensation in the middle, just below my ribs,

which seems to be my upper stomach area?

+++Hi Chris. That area is where your esophagus goes into the stomach, so the

burning and pain are caused by heartburn, meaning you do not have enough stomach

acid. So because of that you DO need to take HCl.

>

> That is true I guess that if I am not eating glutens, it couldn't be from

that! But twice in four months I have had a period where I was partially--but

not terribly-- off-diet (traveling on a college tour w/daughter for a week) and

2 1/2 days out of town and that's when the stomach pain returned and lingered a

few days even once back on diet. Toxins?

+++Being off the diet will cause those symptoms too, but I still think you

should take HCl - but increase it according to the schedule:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig5.php

>

> The main time I experienced the mild burning (that left me w/out an appetite)

was for three days post-coffee enema. I wonder if it stirred up toxins in my GI

tract. Getting ready for enema #2 and will see if I have the same experience.

+++Yes, the coffee enema does stir up toxins.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

One last question...sorry to beat this subject to death. The thing is..I had the

somewhat severe stomach pains from time to time pre-diet, but never the diffuse

burning feeling until starting the diet, HCL, and one coffee enema.

I guess now I'm wondering if the HCL could have caused this, although you

suggest the opposite below. It just seems that something since starting the diet

has created this?

And if I feel the burning, shouldn't it go away if I take HCL? Wouldn't that be

the ultimate test?

Chris

-

>

> +++Hi Chris. That area is where your esophagus goes into the stomach, so the

burning and pain are caused by heartburn, meaning you do not have enough stomach

acid. So because of that you DO need to take HCl.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> One last question...sorry to beat this subject to death. The thing is..I had

the somewhat severe stomach pains from time to time pre-diet, but never the

diffuse burning feeling until starting the diet, HCL, and one coffee enema.

>

> I guess now I'm wondering if the HCL could have caused this, although you

suggest the opposite below. It just seems that something since starting the diet

has created this?

>

> And if I feel the burning, shouldn't it go away if I take HCL? Wouldn't that

be the ultimate test?

>

+++Hi Chris. Since you've had severe stomach pains prior to the diet your body

will be " retracing " each and every episode you've had with it.

I understand you only tried 2 capsules of HCl, so that may not be enough. When

your stomach doesn't have enough HCl the valve to the esophagus doesn't stay

closed like it should.

The diet does create healing, detoxifying and die-off symptoms, which can

include the burning you are experiencing.

Bee

[Guest guest]

My turn (-:

Is constipation a sign that I need HCL?

[Guest guest]

>

> My turn (-:

> Is constipation a sign that I need HCL?

>

+++Hi . Yes, since constipation is a digestive problem.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I have recently started taking HCL in hops that it will help this constant

bloating and knotted, tight feeling in my right side under my ribs.

>

> I was wondering how long it will take to notice any difference with my

digestion. I have been doing this for a couple days now, and don't really feel

any different yet. Also, I drink bee's egg drink for breakfast, should I be

taking HCL after the drink?

>

> just to clarify, each of my HCL capsules are 500 mg (Natural factors betaine

Hydrochloride). So far I am up to taking 4 capsules after meals.

> So basically I have had four meals taking the HCL. Maybe I need to wait longer

to see results?

>

> Just as a side note, bloating is a real problem for me and it comes and goes.

Yoga helps, as does a tummy massage. Bee suggested I try to massage the

Ileocecal Valve, which DID seem to help, but the problem always comes back. I am

also wondering if I have a Hiatal hernia?

>

> I am just looking for any other ideas of suggestions from anyone....I'm

getting discouraged over this and wondering what else I can do.

> For those of you who with bloating, have been on the diet for a while, how

long did it take before the bloating started to ease up? I have some days where

I feel VERY GOOD, and others where the bloating is back. No matter what I eat.

>

> Do you think this is my liver, pancreas, gallbladder, intestines...or all???

>

> Thanks so much everyone for your help and feeback

> I don't know what I would do without you all here on the support group.

>

> Carolyn

>

> p.s. I did Bee's 9 day program and it did help, but my symptoms keep coming

back.

>

Hi Carolyn-

I have IBS and have been on the diet strictly for 6 weeks. I can feel what I

believe is my colon (left area under rib cage) - but have had IBS bouts for the

last 3 years - so I believe I am retracing. Also, I have had diarhea for the

last three weeks but it is not as violent as my pre-diet days and I hope it is

retracing.

I made my own saurkraut last week and have noticed that when I eat it and drink

the juice it seems to help with bloating.

Hang in there. Good luck to you.

Cheers,

Amy

[Guest guest]

I had the same problem (still kinda do) with the knotting in the stomach from

the esophagus to the ileocecal valve. What i've found helps the most with this

is getting sufficient amounts of BEtaine HCL, first off. I take about 7 capsules

with complete meals. With the egg drink I would take it too. Eating a small

amount of organic sauerkraut in conjunction with this works amazingly.

Supplement wise, I find that Vitamin D in higher doses (around 4000iu) seem to

get rid of the cramping (especially with the illeocecal valve) as well as higher

doses of magnesium (around 900mg for myself), a b50 complex (twice a day) plus

niacin (increases stomach acid), 50mg of zinc (for increasing stomach acid), and

vitamin C (4000mg a day).

I know this goes against the Candida diet in some respects too. But for some

reason, If I drink a small glass of organic wine with a meal, it works fantastic

like. Now, I've read that wine can increase stomach acid. But it's possible that

this is due to h. pylori bacteria being killed off from the alcohol. H. Pylori

lowers stomach acid and is usually found in people with ulcers, IBS etc. But

Betaine HCL will also help to get rid of this bacteria if you by chance have it.

Cordell

> >

> > I have recently started taking HCL in hops that it will help this constant

bloating and knotted, tight feeling in my right side under my ribs.

> >

> > I was wondering how long it will take to notice any difference with my

digestion. I have been doing this for a couple days now, and don't really feel

any different yet. Also, I drink bee's egg drink for breakfast, should I be

taking HCL after the drink?

> >

> > just to clarify, each of my HCL capsules are 500 mg (Natural factors betaine

Hydrochloride). So far I am up to taking 4 capsules after meals.

> > So basically I have had four meals taking the HCL. Maybe I need to wait

longer to see results?

> >

> > Just as a side note, bloating is a real problem for me and it comes and

goes. Yoga helps, as does a tummy massage. Bee suggested I try to massage the

Ileocecal Valve, which DID seem to help, but the problem always comes back. I am

also wondering if I have a Hiatal hernia?

> >

> > I am just looking for any other ideas of suggestions from anyone....I'm

getting discouraged over this and wondering what else I can do.

> > For those of you who with bloating, have been on the diet for a while, how

long did it take before the bloating started to ease up? I have some days where

I feel VERY GOOD, and others where the bloating is back. No matter what I eat.

> >

> > Do you think this is my liver, pancreas, gallbladder, intestines...or all???

> >

> > Thanks so much everyone for your help and feeback

> > I don't know what I would do without you all here on the support group.

> >

> > Carolyn

> >

> > p.s. I did Bee's 9 day program and it did help, but my symptoms keep coming

back.

> >

> Hi Carolyn-

> I have IBS and have been on the diet strictly for 6 weeks. I can feel what I

believe is my colon (left area under rib cage) - but have had IBS bouts for the

last 3 years - so I believe I am retracing. Also, I have had diarhea for the

last three weeks but it is not as violent as my pre-diet days and I hope it is

retracing.

> I made my own saurkraut last week and have noticed that when I eat it and

drink the juice it seems to help with bloating.

> Hang in there. Good luck to you.

> Cheers,

> Amy

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have recently started taking HCL in hops that it will help this constant

bloating and knotted, tight feeling in my right side under my ribs.

>

> I was wondering how long it will take to notice any difference with my

digestion. I have been doing this for a couple days now, and don't really feel

any different yet. Also, I drink bee's egg drink for breakfast, should I be

taking HCL after the drink?

+++H Carolyn. Yes you can also take HCl after the egg drink.

Gas and bloating aren't going to necessarily be helped by taking HCl, since it

isn't always caused by poor digestion. It is usually caused by candida, and

possibly other bacteria and bugs, being killed off which releases carbon dioxide

(gas), so it is a very common die-off symptom.

To help gas and bloating ensure you are always eating cooked or fermented

vegetables, and drink raw ginger tea to help alleviate gas.

> just to clarify, each of my HCL capsules are 500 mg (Natural factors betaine

Hydrochloride). So far I am up to taking 4 capsules after meals.

> So basically I have had four meals taking the HCL. Maybe I need to wait longer

to see results?

+++You can increase the dose again as the article suggests, until you get a

burning feeling in your esophagus (like heart burn).

>

> Just as a side note, bloating is a real problem for me and it comes and goes.

Yoga helps, as does a tummy massage. Bee suggested I try to massage the

Ileocecal Valve, which DID seem to help, but the problem always comes back. I am

also wondering if I have a Hiatal hernia?

+++A Hiatal Hernia does not cause gas.

>

> I am just looking for any other ideas of suggestions from anyone....I'm

getting discouraged over this and wondering what else I can do. For those of you

who with bloating, have been on the diet for a while, how long did it take

before the bloating started to ease up? I have some days where I feel VERY GOOD,

and others where the bloating is back. No matter what I eat.

+++For each person the timing is different. Some people have experienced gas

and bloating for a year.

>

> Do you think this is my liver, pancreas, gallbladder, intestines...or all???

+++No, I doubt it is any of the above; it is a die-off symptom - see this

article: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal2.php

>

> p.s. I did Bee's 9 day program and it did help, but my symptoms keep coming

back.

+++Your symptoms will come and go as you progress. Eventually you will have

more good days and less bad days. Getting healthy is not a steady uphill climb

towards health because of how the body heals itself naturally. To understand

more about Healing Naturally see these articles:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_2.php

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I had the same problem (still kinda do) with the knotting in the stomach from

the esophagus to the ileocecal valve. What i've found helps the most with this

is getting sufficient amounts of BEtaine HCL, first off. I take about 7 capsules

with complete meals. With the egg drink I would take it too. Eating a small

amount of organic sauerkraut in conjunction with this works amazingly.

>

> Supplement wise, I find that Vitamin D in higher doses (around 4000iu) seem to

get rid of the cramping (especially with the illeocecal valve) as well as higher

doses of magnesium (around 900mg for myself), a b50 complex (twice a day) plus

niacin (increases stomach acid), 50mg of zinc (for increasing stomach acid), and

vitamin C (4000mg a day).

+++Hi Cordell. It isn't wise to take higher doses of vitamin D than

recommended, since taking more means you also need to take more calcium, vitamin

A, omega 3, etc. since all nutrients work together.

+++It is also important to balance calcium and magnesium and other minerals, so

that's why I recommend taking extra vitamin C rather than magnesium. Taking

more magnesium throws off calcium and other mineral balances.

+++Zinc is only required in " trace amounts " so you'll get plenty from the foods,

ocean sea salt recommended, and natural water - also ocean sea salt increases

stomach acid, and see this section of my candida article for improving

digestion: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php#s27

+++If you take more zinc it also throws off potassium, because they work

together, sharing right and left hand receptors on the cell.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee and Group...

>

> One more thing...I am going to start getting HCL. I was doing sauerkraut...but

havent been keeping up with making it. What brand do you reccoment...i looked

under your reccomendations, but couldnt find anything regarding HCL. Also...I

remember reading you tell someone that you only need to take HCL if you have

digestive issues? my bowel movements have been pretty formed lately...i have

lately been getting upset stomachs that last about 30 seconds maybe 3 times

daily...do I need to take HCL?

>

+++Hi Arianna. It doesn't appear as if you require HCl supplements.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee:

My health book says not to take HCL if u have peptic ulcer. I have one. What

do u think?

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee:

>

My health book says not to take HCL if u have peptic ulcer. I have one.

What do u think?

>

+++Hi Jeanne. Since I recommend you take HCl 30-40 minutes after meals I don't

think it will harm your ulcer.

Peptic ulcers form when the stomach lining is not protected from acid. A mucus

layer protects the stomach lining, along with baking soda which is produced at

the same time the stomach produces stomach acid. If you aren't producing

stomach acid like you should, you won't have enough baking soda either.

If you are concerned, take HCl as recommended, and when you get a burning

feeling take 1/4 tsp. of baking soda in 4-5 ounces of water, and sip it until

the feeling subsides.

Bee

[Guest guest]

-- In , " caringonefive " <lovebearsall@...> wrote:

>

> Bee, Your message reply came through . Thank you!

>

> I finally firgured out what was causing the weight gain. I take sauerkruat

for digestion but lately had added HCL back in because it was helping my

digestion and keeping my hernia down. I then started noticing burning. At

first I thought the KAL niacin was the problem to the weight gain (but noticed

you approved that supplement to someone else). Because to the burning, I

thought I'd try reducing my HCL. I did and the weight is already coming off.

+++Hi Care. Reducing HCl did not help you lose weight.

I also bumped up my lemons to 2 whole lemons for 4cups of Tea (pau d'arco). I

want to know if I should just keep experimenting.

+++You should never have more than the juice of 1/2 lemon in a drink, which

drunk at separate times throughout the day, because of the fructose in them.

Since dropping the HCL to a lower amount yesterday, my weight did improve, but

my hernia is more up and I am struggling with anxiety because of the tightness

affecting my breathing. Today I also dropped down to 1 1/2 lemons.

+++Your body would not respond that fast to anything you change.

>

> Mainly I want to know if I should just keep experimenting. I still have the

burning so it doesn't seem like I need more HCL..but because I dropped it, my

hernia is worse. It's just conflicting signs for me.

+++Back to the drawing board my dear. I think you should eliminate the lemons,

and take the HCl.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello Bee and moderators,

> I need to know what HCL to use since the one listed is out at iherb. Is there

another one that they carry that would be just as good.

+++Hi Angie. Go through my iHerb link and then search for Betaine HCl; there's

a good Now Foods Brand you can use.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

> Thank you for your quick reply yesterday. I forgot to ask you a couple

questions.

> I started taking HCL about 10 days ago and it took me 6 caps to produce

heartburn, but then I went down 1 pill to 5 and then I had to keep reducing the

dosage because I kept getting heartburn. Now I am at 2 pills and it seems alot

of times I am getting heartburn from that. I am confused since I hardly have

had heartburn in my life. Does this mean I do not need to take it? I have alot

of digetion and constipation problems.

+++Hi Ruth. Do you have digestive issues other than constipation? It appears

you didn't have any stomach problems. Did you have undigested foods in your

stools? Also, have you ever had constipation before you started on this program?

>

> I have done the mega dose vitamin C 3-4 times per week for constipation. Is

that to much and could that be producing heartburn? Is there a tea like smooth

move that I can take to help having a bowel movement?

+++You can be constipated if you changed over to this program too fast. Didn't

you do it in 3 weeks? That fairly fast. Also are you actually constipated or

just have slower stools? Constipation is when you have very hard small lumps of

stool that pack up in the rectum and are very difficult to get out.

+++You know it is okay to not go every single day.

> I also wanted to let you know I have been off of melatonin for about 10 days

now and I think I am sleeping better. I also am not using reverse osmosis water

to drink and I am using a britta pitcher.

> Thanks for all your help!

+++That's great Ruth! You are making some progress.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

I have been on and off different candida diet's and health programs for about 2

years.  I have undigested food in my bowel movements.  I have some days that I

dont go and others that I go once or twice, but I usually feel like I have to

go and I feel bloated and get severe brain fog and constipation.  I get a

heavieness in my stomach after eating.  I have had these issues before I

started this program.  I think and feel when I do have a bowel movement I am

not able to empty my colon all the way.  My bm's always look different (round

and hard,diarrhea,long and thin).  I have to grunt and do breathing excersises

to be able to have a bowel movement. With only being on the program for 3 weeks

how many Tablespoons of co should I be taking?  What about the HCLI asked you

about.

Is the megadose of vitamin c bad for you to do 3-4 times a week?  I think

I would not be able to function what so ever if I could not have a bowel

movement.

From: Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: HCL

Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 11:21 AM

 

>

> Bee,

> Thank you for your quick reply yesterday. I forgot to ask you a couple

questions.

> I started taking HCL about 10 days ago and it took me 6 caps to produce

heartburn, but then I went down 1 pill to 5 and then I had to keep reducing the

dosage because I kept getting heartburn. Now I am at 2 pills and it seems alot

of times I am getting heartburn from that. I am confused since I hardly have had

heartburn in my life. Does this mean I do not need to take it? I have alot of

digetion and constipation problems.

+++Hi Ruth. Do you have digestive issues other than constipation? It appears you

didn't have any stomach problems. Did you have undigested foods in your stools?

Also, have you ever had constipation before you started on this program?

>

> I have done the mega dose vitamin C 3-4 times per week for constipation. Is

that to much and could that be producing heartburn? Is there a tea like smooth

move that I can take to help having a bowel movement?

+++You can be constipated if you changed over to this program too fast. Didn't

you do it in 3 weeks? That fairly fast. Also are you actually constipated or

just have slower stools? Constipation is when you have very hard small lumps of

stool that pack up in the rectum and are very difficult to get out.

+++You know it is okay to not go every single day.

> I also wanted to let you know I have been off of melatonin for about 10 days

now and I think I am sleeping better. I also am not using reverse osmosis water

to drink and I am using a britta pitcher.

> Thanks for all your help!

+++That's great Ruth! You are making some progress.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I have been on and off different candida diet's and health programs for about

2 years.  I have undigested food in my bowel movements.  I have some days that

I dont go and others that I go once or twice, but I usually feel like I have to

go and I feel bloated and get severe brain fog and constipation.  I get a

heavieness in my stomach after eating.  I have had these issues before I

started this program.  I think and feel when I do have a bowel movement I am

not able to empty my colon all the way.  My bm's always look different (round

and hard,diarrhea,long and thin).  I have to grunt and do breathing excersises

to be able to have a bowel movement.

+++Hi Ruth. Since you've had those digestive issues prior to starting on this

program your body will be " retracing " them when it is healing itself - see this

article to understand retracing:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal10.php

++Since you get heaviness in your stomach after eating it means you may need to

drink more water with your meals, since it is important for making foods liquid

enough to empty out of the stomach into the small intestines.

++If you tried taking HCl and it didn't help I suggest you have 1/2 cup of good

unpasteurized unheated sauerkraut with meals to help balance out the

hydrochloric acid in your stomach. Sauerkraut is unique because it increases

stomach acid " if " it is too low, and it decreases stomach acid " if " it is too

high.

 With only being on the program for 3 weeks how many Tablespoons of co should I

be taking?

+++There is no set amount you should be taking after 3 weeks, since that needs

to be regulated individually, according to how severe your detoxifying symptoms

are. Some people are not able to take 6 tablespoons for several months.

> Is the megadose of vitamin c bad for you to do 3-4 times a week?  I think

I would not be able to function what so ever if I could not have a bowel

movement.

+++If it helps, only do it every 3 days. In the meantime also drink raw ginger

tea to help with the bloating.

+++Ruth, instead of doing that, I think you go on an all liquid and/or pureed

foods diet for a month or more, and do one clear water enema every 3 days. To

puree foods, cook them well and put them in a blender, making them into a baby

food consistency. Puree soup that has well-cooked vegetables in it too. This

is a good time to make good mineral-rich bone broths - see the recipe on my

website. Of course Bee's Egg Drink is great too.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Stomach acid is about 0.1 Moles/liter, HCl at 36.46 g/mole, that is

~3.6 g/l, or about 1/3 gram per 100 ml.

HCl saturated in water is typically about 38%. The technical grades

are usually about 31%.

I have a 1935 copy of the Ferguson and Guy's book, " Three years of

HCl Therapy " which is quite interesting reading. Much of what is

written is news to modern pharmacology but this does not mean it is wrong.

On page 69 he gives his cancer formula:

Potassium arsenite (Fowler's soln.) 1/2 fl.dram [a dram is 1/8 ounce]

Tincture of ferric chloride 5 fl. drams

saturated potassium sulfate soln. 2 ounces

2% hydrochloric acid soln. quantity sufficient to come up to 4 ounces

Intravenously: 3 to 7 minims in 10 c.c. sterilized water

1 US minim = 1/480 US fluid ounce = 1/80 of a US teaspoon

Thus such small amounts of HCl used orally are very unlikely to do anything.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

If you have the Pdf file compilation of all the articles, which seem that what

you have is not the one, judging by the formula units, you will find an

explanation of the ionic relationships of HCl to the degree of dilution by then

professional chemist and an M.D. , starting on the page 42. The same will

go for the dissolved minerals. It throws a fairly good picture on the fact that

more does not necessarily mean better.

From what I gather, the clinical presentations and experiences of Dr. Guy and

Dr. Beszeditz only confirm that.

With kind regards, Slavek.

From: vgammill@...

Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 23:01:56 -0700

Subject: Re: [ ] HCl

Stomach acid is about 0.1 Moles/liter, HCl at 36.46 g/mole, that is

~3.6 g/l, or about 1/3 gram per 100 ml.

HCl saturated in water is typically about 38%. The technical grades

are usually about 31%.

I have a 1935 copy of the Ferguson and Guy's book, " Three years of

HCl Therapy " which is quite interesting reading. Much of what is

written is news to modern pharmacology but this does not mean it is wrong.

On page 69 he gives his cancer formula:

Potassium arsenite (Fowler's soln.) 1/2 fl.dram [a dram is 1/8 ounce]

Tincture of ferric chloride 5 fl. drams

saturated potassium sulfate soln. 2 ounces

2% hydrochloric acid soln. quantity sufficient to come up to 4 ounces

Intravenously: 3 to 7 minims in 10 c.c. sterilized water

1 US minim = 1/480 US fluid ounce = 1/80 of a US teaspoon

Thus such small amounts of HCl used orally are very unlikely to do anything.

[Guest guest]

Hello Slavek,

I usually don't go to Pdf files when I have the

original book in my library. The Pdf file has

been edited and has commentaries. The article

you are referring to is on page 140 in the

original. I read A.M.'s letter -- I too am

a professional chemist. It is quite fun to read

the speculations of someone when we have the

advantage of 75 years of research on him. I take

no pride in this as I know that 75 years from now

some shinola chemist will think that I was a

complete doofus. I hold harmless for his

beliefs as 75 years ago there was no way that

cell biologists could measure the pH inside a

cell. All such measurements were indirect and

contingent. 75 years ago there was no

understanding of active transport, ion channels,

or even the microbiology of DNA.

That said, not everything wrote was

speculative, vague, and senseless. (As this was

75 years ago I assume " A.M. " was a he

although the few professional women of that

period often hid behind initials so their

writings would be taken seriously.) did

make a case that the injections of such low

amounts of HCl would have no effect on corporal

pH. He did make a very strong point that:

" It was found that from 15 to 20 grams of

ammonium chloride must be ingested in order to

lower blood pH two-tenths of one degree; and the

daily administration of 45 grams of sodium

bicarbonate was necessary to change the reaction

of blood to a similar extent in the opposite

direction. It was ascertained that it would

require 18 pounds of oranges to produce alkaline

ash content equal to 40 grams of sodium

bicarbonate and four pounds of lean beef to

produce acid ash equivalent to 15 grams of

ammonium chloride. The ingestion of other

mineral bases and both organic and inorganic

acids in amounts far beyond those used

medicinally all failed to materially affect the systemic pH. "

This book contains a hodge podge of different

guiding theories and I think, as is the case with

human nature, their observations tend to support

their theories. As is so often in today's

literature they tend to showcase successful cases

while finding their failures uninteresting to

report. They were inadequately cognizant of the

sacerdotal aspect of placebo administration and

they fail to recognize that perhaps the main

therapy the patients were getting was time for

nature to do what nature does rather than using

the " bleeding, cupping, counter-irritants,

diathermy, the much discussed short wave cabinet,

mercury, arsenic, quinine, insulin, transfusions

and the serums, hot and cold water, and whiskey,

all of which have an immediate effect on the most

sensitive cellular system. So, since all these

procedures have a common effect on this system,

we must attribute an essential element in the

good results to this cellular

stimulation. " (Page 15 in the original; page 6

in the Pdf) This is incredibly sloppy thinking of

course and the book goes on with equally questionable counter arguments.

I have no idea if the dilute HCl injections have

any merit. I do think that readers should really

look at this book critically while wondering how

many modern day miracles we see are due to

placebo effects. I worked with Dr. Spaos in

Cyprus who taught me how to use squid extracts on

cancer. I did witness a miracle remission of a

colon to liver metastasis while working with

him. I asked him point blank if he thought it

was a placebo effect as he has such an

established reputation. He became almost livid

with defensiveness and denial.

Two weeks ago a woman came into our retreat

center with terminal breast cancer. She had

already spent $100,000 at a Mexican Clinic to no

avail. It took her five minutes to be helped

from the car to the house. She was down to 89

lbs and had to be moved in a wheel chair. Within

the week she was walking a quarter mile in an

outing for food and all the cancerous lesions on

her arm and her chest were gone. She justifiably

spends much of her time now laughing. She has

regained her appetite and gained over ten pounds this past week.

I did not give her all that much. She has been

drinking pau d'arco tea, she is taking a little

sulindac, metformin, calcitriol and a med that I

synthesize that I use myself. Her turnaround

was so remarkable I wondered if the effect was

mostly placebo, after all she did make a long

pilgrimage to come here. I thought perhaps it

was my commanding presence, but no, I slouch too

much. To quote my high school biology teacher (a

nun whose blithe answers to my questions would

greatly upset me): " That's just one of God's little mysteries. "

At 07:54 AM 7/10/2010, you wrote:

>

>Hi ,

>

>If you have the Pdf file compilation of all the

>articles, which seem that what you have is not

>the one, judging by the formula units, you will

>find an explanation of the ionic relationships

>of HCl to the degree of dilution by then

>professional chemist and an M.D. , starting

>on the page 42. The same will go for the

>dissolved minerals. It throws a fairly good

>picture on the fact that more does not necessarily mean better.

>

> From what I gather, the clinical presentations

> and experiences of Dr. Guy and Dr. Beszeditz only confirm that.

>

>With kind regards, Slavek.

>

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>From: <mailto:vgammill%40adelphia.net>vgammill@...

>Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 23:01:56 -0700

>Subject: Re: [ ] HCl

>

>Stomach acid is about 0.1 Moles/liter, HCl at 36.46 g/mole, that is

>

>~3.6 g/l, or about 1/3 gram per 100 ml.

>

>HCl saturated in water is typically about 38%. The technical grades

>

>are usually about 31%.

>

>I have a 1935 copy of the Ferguson and Guy's book, " Three years of

>

>HCl Therapy " which is quite interesting reading. Much of what is

>

>written is news to modern pharmacology but this does not mean it is wrong.

>

>On page 69 he gives his cancer formula:

>

>Potassium arsenite (Fowler's soln.) 1/2 fl.dram [a dram is 1/8 ounce]

>

>Tincture of ferric chloride 5 fl. drams

>

>saturated potassium sulfate soln. 2 ounces

>

>2% hydrochloric acid soln. quantity sufficient to come up to 4 ounces

>

>Intravenously: 3 to 7 minims in 10 c.c. sterilized water

>

>1 US minim = 1/480 US fluid ounce = 1/80 of a US teaspoon

>

>Thus such small amounts of HCl used orally are very unlikely to do anything.

>

>

>

>

>

>