Re: Cancer, Greens, Humans and Chimpanzees

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

While we may resemble chimpanzees, I have never seen a chimp live in the

artic. Environment and heredity play a large part of what is the

correct diet for us. I would not recommend that a diet that heavy in

greens for an Inuit. Asians can eat and process much more soy than

occidentals, also due to environment and heredity. Knowing your own

heredity and eating what is a healthy diet for your heritage is probably

better. Yes, we do need to look carefully at what we eat, but there is

no one correct diet for humans, we live in too many different climates

and our bodies have adapted for centuries to those climates.

Look at where your food comes from. How is it grown? 100% grass fed

beef, with no pesticides and herbicides is much better for you than a

salad of food that was sprayed twice daily with poisonous chemicals, as

an extreme example.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

breathedeepnow wrote:

>

> The author makes the defensible point that very possibly humans, for

> best health, given such a close resemblance between chimp genes and

> human genes, ought to eat the way chimps do.

>

[Guest guest]

Elliot:

Hi )

What are kale and collard chips and where do you get them?

Carol

breathedeepnow wrote:

Now I am reading the book, " Greens First, " by Butenko, and have come

across a section in which the author states the fairly well-known

fact that chimpanzees's genetic code is 99.4% similar to that of

human beings.

She then goes on to say that chimpanzees, (which have very pronounced

incisor teeth, by the way), eat a tremendous amount of green leafy

vegetables and only a very little bit of animal protein. They also

only eat root vegetables during periods of draught, when green

leafies are scarce. They also eat only a small percentage of seeds

and nuts, and they eat less fruit than they do greens.

The author makes the defensible point that very possibly humans, for

best health, given such a close resemblance between chimp genes and

human genes, ought to eat the way chimps do.

My wife and I have, in fact, upped tremendously of late the amount of

greens we eat, in the form of " green smoothies, " salads and " kale and

collard chips, " and we both are feeling significantly better from it.

Also, the tumor in my neck, which I believe responded favorably to my

first GEIPE treatment, (search archive if interested in reading about

GEIPE), has not grown for the last month or so.

" Greens First " is well worth reading, and, I believe, it is well

worth trying out the diet/lifestyle the author recommends.

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Hi, Kim.

I do believe we need to experiment to see what works for each of us.

I feel I am doing quite well right now on a vegan, high greens diet,

but am open to change should I find myself lacking in some area.

Butenko makes good sense to me.

From another board:

" Since you used the Inuit as your example in your meat post, you

probably know that, until recently, the average lifespan for an Inuit

man was 35 years. The infant mortality rate was four times that of

the rest of Canada. Since the 1960s and the introduction of a more

balanced diet, the Inuit average lifespan has increased to 55 years,

the infant mortality rate is just slightly above the rest of Canada

and -- this is the kicker -- the average stature has increased by six

centimetres. "

Asians eat mainly fermented soy, not soy grits, soy hot dogs, etc.

Greens make their OWN natural pesticides, by the way, and it is

getting easier and easier to buy organic produce now. Also, there are

effective things to soak/wash vegetables in to get rid of at least

some of the pesticides.

I happen to believe T. Colin 's research to be correct---

that in high animal protein eating countries, there is a great deal

more degenerative dis-ease. Eating a high animal protein diet opens

up the organism to development of cancer and other degenerative dis-

ease.

An experiment done in India that was duplicated by showed

that rats on a low animal protein diet did not develop cancer no

matter how much aflatoxin they were fed. On the other hand, rats fed

a 20% animal protein diet developed cancer on low doses of aflatoxin,

aflatoxin being a virulent carcinogen.

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Hi, Carol!

Kale and collard chips are made by my wife here at home in our

dehydrator, and are a delicious, far more nutritious alternative to

potato chips!

I think you would greatly enjoy being a member of one of the raw food

boards of which my wife is a member.

My wife makes kale and collard chips by dipping cut-up kale or

collards in a mixture of tahini, garlic, salt and other things and

then drying them till crisp in our dehydrator. I can eat gobs and

gobs of them, just as I used to eat potato chips. But when I'm done

eating the kale/collard chips, I feel as if I've made myself

HEALTHIER rather than more or less poisoned myself, as I did with

potato chips! ;+))

Elliot

CF wrote:

> Elliot:

>What are kale and collard chips and where do you get them?

> Carol

[Guest guest]

Greetings, Elliot,

I am aware of the statistics you are quoting, but I have to disagree

with them, they are scewed. If you look at the statistics on life

expectancy of non-alcoholic Inuits on a natural diet for them, the

numbers are quite high. Alcoholism has been a major problem in the

North and continues to be. The Northwest Territories has a law that all

bars must close from 5PM to 6PM so the Inuits will go home and feed

their children. The high rates of alcoholism do make it difficult to

determine the cause of the short life span, if you are just looking at

government statistics. I spent years up north, living with the people

and in the healthy families that had kept the old ways and not gone to

drinking, there are many old people, in their 80's that I learned much

wisdom from.

I have met a few people that could stay healthy on a vegan diet, but all

of them needed to take supplements to do so. I take no supplements,

don't need them. I don't eat an Inuit diet, but I do eat a balanced

diet for my heredity, which includes some animal protien. I raise my

own food, if I didn't I couldn't afford to eat healthy. While organic

may be available, it is rarely affordable. I live in an area where

getting by on $500/month is common.

I repeat, there is no one right diet for humans. Vegan or vegetarian is

not always the right choice, it can make you sick if you have the wrong

heredity. How your food is raised and how you prepare it are just as

important as what type of food you eat.

Bright Blessings,

Kim

breathedeepnow wrote:

>

> " Since you used the Inuit as your example in your meat post, you

> probably know that, until recently, the average lifespan for an Inuit

> man was 35 years. The infant mortality rate was four times that of

> the rest of Canada. Since the 1960s and the introduction of a more

> balanced diet, the Inuit average lifespan has increased to 55 years,

> the infant mortality rate is just slightly above the rest of Canada

> and -- this is the kicker -- the average stature has increased by six

> centimetres. "

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elliot:

Sure sounds good...yum, and I have the ingredients, please send site of raw

foods. Thanks!

Carol

breathedeepnow wrote:

Hi, Carol!

Kale and collard chips are made by my wife here at home in our

dehydrator, and are a delicious, far more nutritious alternative to

potato chips!

I think you would greatly enjoy being a member of one of the raw food

boards of which my wife is a member.

My wife makes kale and collard chips by dipping cut-up kale or

collards in a mixture of tahini, garlic, salt and other things and

then drying them till crisp in our dehydrator. I can eat gobs and

gobs of them, just as I used to eat potato chips. But when I'm done

eating the kale/collard chips, I feel as if I've made myself

HEALTHIER rather than more or less poisoned myself, as I did with

potato chips! ;+))

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Hi, Kim.

I certainly agree that whatever dietary regimen we put ourselves on, we

must monitor ourselves to see how we feel, so as to know whether or not

we are doing the correct thing for our particular physiognamy.

Elliot

[Guest guest]

Here you go, Carol! Enjoy yourself!

www.rawfoodtalk.com

www.rawfreedomcommunity.info

www.therawtable.com

www.living-foods.com

That's a start.

Though the warning may be unnecessary, apropos of what Kim has said,

be aware that there are, as in any group, some particularly " fringe "

elements, who, if their advice and predilections are followed, might

get one into trouble. But just use common sense and do your own

investigating, and you should be fine.

Here is a for instance: Many of the raw foodists make raw crackers,

into which they put ground flax seed. The recipe calls for drying

the " dough " containing the ground flax seed, at around 105 degrees

fahrenheit for at least a day. Since it is my understanding that

ground flax seed very quickly goes rancid even at room temperature, I

would not use such a recipe, rancid oil being worse for a person than no oil at

all.

Or how about this--- though the great majority of members of these

raw food boards are vegans, there are some animal protein raw

foodists, one of whom buys and eats red meat from the regular

supermarket.

So caveat emptor, eh?

Best,

Elliot

[Guest guest]

I guess it's all a matter of proportions and moderation. I would agree that

organic beef is better than non-organic beef, but I think that it's not better

than greens. Perhaps organic beef is better than greens sprayed with pesticides,

but you do have the option of eating organic greens, as well. So, if you place

them on a level playing field, organic greens vs. organic beef, I think the

greens win out. I read that vegetables have more nutrients than meat, other than

the protein. I think maybe people in different regions, and man as a whole, have

adapted to meat, but perhaps evolution didn't completely catch up with what was

largely a cultural change. Carnivores and omnivores have short intestines, fangs

for tearing through meat, and jaws that move only up and down and not

side-to-side as used for gnawing at roots. We weren't born knowing how to cook

meat, so if we were meant to eat meat we wouldn't mind eating it raw and

wouldn't mind the flavor of blood. We would also be

too tempted to eat our pets for us to have any. So, maybe the fact we eat meat

is a cultural thing. One thing's for sure, we never ate it like we do today. A

deer or other animal split up among a large tribe wouldn't go very far. They

didn't catch something every day, so the consumption of animal protein must have

been very small. Only recently have we eaten meat on a daily basis. As for

protein, I suspect it's not a matter of protein content as much as protein

availability. Who knows. I'm open to different opinions.

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

For starters, organic beef can be really bad for you. Organic when it comes to

meat only means that the animal was not given any drugs. It can be fed grain

which means the omega 3 and 6 are way out of balance and that the beef has no

CLA in it at all. CLA is Mother Natures cancer fighter. 100% grass fed beef is

not fed grain and is very different nutritionally. With ruminants, what they

eat really affects the nutritional value. Grass fed animals can be raised on

pastures that have been chemically treated, so you have to know your rancher.

When I moved to Texas, we spent some real time and energy looking into food

preservation techniques that don't use electricity. What we found was that the

diet was a walking larder, as in walking on 4 legs. From the time Texas was

settled until the advent of electricity in the rural parts, the primary food was

meat. Root crops don't store well, underground storage doesn't work due to high

water tables. Texas has 2 kinds of weather, too wet and too dry. This makes it

hard to grow vegetables, which don't keep well in heat and high humidity. Grain

was too precious to feed to the animals, it was kept for human consumption.

In some climates, food storage works well. It didn't works so well in others.

I do know that cancer was not common in Texas before electricity.

ly, I have no desire to live on a primarily meat diet. Nor would I like a

vegetarian diet. Variety is the spice of life, for me. I do look at the

history of food, the disease rate, and what the animals/plants were fed

historically. I find it helps me make sense from all the conflicting

information out there on nutrition.

Bright Blessings

Kim

victor martinez wrote:

I guess it's all a matter of proportions and moderation. I would

agree that organic beef is better than non-organic beef, but I think

that it's not better than greens.

[Guest guest]

The history of early Texas is now irrelevant to eating much meat.

There are more than enough,(hundreds of them), Wal-Marts, (which have EXCELLENT

produce sections), in Texas for anyone who wishes to try a vegan diet to do so:

With regard to " variety being the spice of life, " that may be true in some

things, but not necessarily with regard to a healthful diet.

I have friends who eat pork and ham frequently " because it tastes

good, " and there are plenty of people who gorge on fried pork rinds

because they also taste good.

Certainly a diet that is unbalanced toward meat, cheese, milk and

chicken is conducive to constipation, and constipation is the

cornerstone of all manner of degenerative dis-ease.

If one wants variety, anyone who applies himself to a little work and

imagination can come up with unending variety within the context of a vegetable,

fruit, nut and seed diet. It is not boring in the least.

I am now quite convinced, as will most anyone who reads " The China

Study, " that anything more than a very moderate amount of animal

protein in one's diet is conducive to the development of degenerative dis-ease.