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Hi, Marti,

I appreciate your kind comments. It makes editing worthwhile.

OK, here we go:

As to diagnoses in general, in our constellation of autoimmune

disorders: It has been, and remains, my observation that--unlike

diagnosing, say, Hepatitis A, B or C, Diabetes, Strep throat, and the

wide majority of disorders for which there are specific " markers " ,

assays, and other proofs, by the identifying the presence of those

markers etc. (Case Proved!!), diagnosing the autoimmune arthropathies

(Systemic Lupus Erythematosis, Ankylosing Spondilitis, RA, PA,

Reiter's, athritis mutilans variant psoriasis, and on and on) is all

too often looking at the patient's constellation of symptomology, and

then stringing together the appropriate Latin descriptors. This is

perhaps a little overstated in some situations, but my point is that

it's like he diagnosis of " cardiac arrest " (which just means the

heart stopped, no clue why) or (one of my favorites) " somnambulistic

perambulation " , which translates to " sleep-walking " .

So, if the doc notes deterioration/dissolution of metatarsal and

metacarpal joints, in the presence of active psoriasis and PA, we

have arthritis " mutilans variant psoriasis " .

Ankylosing spondilitis (AS) is arthritis of the spine. As you know,

in some cases (of arthritis) bone is eroded, and in some cases there

is a buildup of spurs and other accretions that may lead to fusing

(solidifying, and " welding " together), and bone loss and fusing can

occur at different sites in the same individual.

AS occurs in " pure " form only, as well as in concert with PA and

other arthropathies. (Note: Author and political pundit Norman

Cousins wrote a book about his battle with AS, called " Anatomy of an

Illness " . It was made into a TV movie, starring Ed Asner.)

The differential prognosis in straight AS, versus as a component of

PA (the latter is my situation, and, apparently, yours) is a good

news, bad news situation. (Note please that nothing with PA, AS,

etc., is a 100% sure thing. We are talking likelihoods, not

certainties.)

OK: AS, BAD news: The spine will eventually fuse, deforming the

patient to some variable degree. GOOD news: With fusing, the pain

stops.

PA/Ankylosing Spondilitis: GOOD news: the spine generally doesn't

fuse, so no frank deformity. BAD news: You've still got moving parts

encountering each other, and other pain-inducing situations, so the

pain will continue.

So the answer is that there (often) is a difference in the course of

straight AS, and AS related to PA.

Does that help? Let me know if you would like to discuss further.

Take care, Marti.

> Hi ,

> Thanks for all your informative editorial notes. I have learned a

lot.

> You mentioned you have anklylosing spondylitis. What is this? I

was

> diagnosed with

> Psoriatic Arthritis,spondylitis, mutilans variant psoriasis. The

Mayo

> Rheumie showed me fusions in my neck and bone damage in my lower

spine but I

> am still not clear about what part is spondylitis and what part is

mutilans.

> I gather the missing joints in my hands and feet are called

mutilans. Is PA

> spondylitis different from ankylosing spondylitis? I am sorry to

say my

> local Rheumie just sort of stared at me when I asked her this

question.

> Thanks!

> Marti

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> Does that help? Let me know if you would like to discuss further.

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>Hi ,

That helps. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge.

It also helps me to understand why I have had different diagnoses

over the years. I was actually better off from an insurance

standpoint when I carried an RA diagnosis(The doctors couldn't belive

PA could be so severe) but I understand more of the new medications

will probably be technically approved for PA. From some of the posts

I've read it sounds like PA is getting more attention and may be

clarified for the Docs better now. Thanks again!

Marti

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Hello everyone,

The last time Owen saw his Rheumy, he sais that he had

Spondylitis, even though he had no symptoms then. Now, of course,

he's having shocking lower back pain. What exactly is it, and if a

scan or something was done, what does it look like?

Sorry to ask stupid questions, but when I've looked it up, I get

the clinical and pathological answers, not the details I'm after.

Thank you

Leanne

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-Hi Leeane,

I can hardly stand to tell you this since Owen is so young and has

such an agressive form of pa. The spondylitis is similar to the other

joints with pa. A person can get erosive damage that looks like part

of the bone is missing and can get fusions,an overergrowth of the

bones. My fusions look like there is one long bone piece where there

is supposed to be a space.

have you tried www.spondylitis.org? or www.kickas.com?

I'm sorry Owen has developed new pa activity.

Best wishes,

Marti

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> Hello everyone,

> The last time Owen saw his Rheumy, he sais that he had

> Spondylitis, even though he had no symptoms then. Now, of course,

> he's having shocking lower back pain. What exactly is it, and if a

> scan or something was done, what does it look like?

> Sorry to ask stupid questions, but when I've looked it up, I get

> the clinical and pathological answers, not the details I'm after.

> Thank you

> Leanne

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Hi Leanne and everyone,

Sorry to spoil your day but I am back. I have just completed reading the 199

e-mail's that were delivered while I was away so now it is time to try and

answer some! I actually tried to post last night but a message came up saying

that my mails were " bouncing " I just hope that it has been sorted.

Leanne, all I can say in answer to your question is that in my case, the

back was X-rayed and it looked cloudy around the area that was damaged.

I hope Owen can get some help to relieve the pain he is suffering.

Take care,

PS: Only eight days late in answering this one.lol

You wrote:

The last time Owen saw his Rheumy, he sais that he had

Spondylitis, even though he had no symptoms then. Now, of course,

he's having shocking lower back pain. What exactly is it, and if a

scan or something was done, what does it look like?

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