Re: Anyone use Natural Duoflex....CMO? feedback please

[Guest guest]

where do you get this?

[Guest guest]

where do you get this?

I keyed in psoriatic arthritis in search and it was the first site that came up.

I have never heard of it but did write to someone who gave an endorsement. Her

hubby was in bad shape and he took it for a month 2 years ago and has not had

any problems since but he did not have psoriatic arthritis. I forgot what he had

as I had never heard of it before. Just sounds to good to be true. She did say

that in order to use it I should check the web site again and read all cause you

have to go off your medication for a time before starting to use this. Guess it

is to clean out the body. I don't know as I have not checked back into it again.

With my hands hurting so badly I am not online much and do not get the time to

check everything out but I do save it. Check my email and get back off again.

Verna

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[Guest guest]

I have not used this particular product but I have head great success

with simular product. For those who are not familiar with Cetyl

Myristoleate here is a site I found that has most of the research

listed and many of the published articles.

http://downlinebuilders.net/rusty/cetyl-myristoleate/

Tom

> Has anyone tried this? Any results? Sounds to good to be true but

had to post this anyway to see what kind of replys I get. I am

getting desperate. I believe the Celebrex is no longer working and am

so sick and tired of constant pain. I want some relief. Here is part

of the article.

>

> Natural Duoflex CMO+HPR Treatment

> Cerasomal cis-9-cetylmyristoleate (CMO) has been used to treat all

types of arthritis and other autoimmune related disorders since 1995.

CMO is a natural substance (found in butter in small amounts) that,

for reasons not fully understood, tends to relieve symptoms and allow

those who have these illnesses to go about their daily lives with

little or no reminder of the miserable days when their disease was

active. CMO is taken for only a short time (10 - 20 days). No further

treatment is needed by most.

>

> When CMO is effective (80 - 90% of the time) the results last for

months and often years. There have never been any reported side

effects from this incredible natural product. CMO was originally

proven effective when tested on arthritic mice at the United States

National Institutes of Health in the early 1970's. It's use is

spreading world wide thru referrals from former sufferers of all

types of arthritis and other autoimmune illnesses.

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[Guest guest]

I have used CMO Plus. I have also tried other brands of CMO. They did nothing

for me. At least I don't think they did - sometimes its hard to tell with this

disease. What products have you tried in addition to CMO Plus? What

specifically did they do for you? What was your treatment protocol?

Regarding the studies sited on the web site you referenced... the first one is

not pacibo controlled and only had 13 patients, so it is not a valid statistical

measurment (unless the response was overwhelming, which it was not). The second

one, done by Dr. Siemandi under the auspicies of the Joint European Hospital

Studies Program, seems to be so overwhelmingly positive that it could not be

ignored by Rheumatologits. And so it has not been ignored. My own Rheumy read

the complete study and tried to find Dr. Siemandi to discuss it but could not

find him. He then tried to contact the " Joint European Hospital Studies

Program " and could'nt find such an organization.

My own suspician is that this study is both flawed and false. I don't know this

for sure, but I suspect there is no Dr Siemandi, no Joint European Hospital

Studies Program, and that someone simply synthesized the study results from thin

air. Again, I don't know this for sure. I would love it if someone could prove

this wrong - does anyone know where Dr. Samiendi is or how to contact the

studies program?

Having said all that, there is one intriguing study that was done in Eastern

Europe (Poland I believe) that was published in October, 2002 in the Journal of

Rheumatology. It was a wall designed study to determine the efficacy of

treating osteoarthritis with a cytleated fatty acid, or CFA (similar to CMO

Plus). The study concluded that the CFAs did improve range of motion of

effected joints. The improvement was roughly the same as other non-steroidal

treatments in use today. It only improved range of motion on average by about

ten degrees. It did not significantly improve pain or overall mobility as I

recall (I would have to review the study). Unfortunately, the study was only

done on patients with osteoarthritis, not rheumatic disease, so the results

cannot apply to PA or RA. Check out

http://jrheum.com/abstracts/abstracts02/1708.html. If you want the full text of

the study let me know (I can't post it here without violating copyright laws).

Regards,

Doug

" Rusty Ford <painfree56@...> " <painfree56@...> wrote:I have not used

this particular product but I have head great success

with simular product. For those who are not familiar with Cetyl

Myristoleate here is a site I found that has most of the research

listed and many of the published articles.

http://downlinebuilders.net/rusty/cetyl-myristoleate/

Tom

> Has anyone tried this? Any results? Sounds to good to be true but

had to post this anyway to see what kind of replys I get. I am

getting desperate. I believe the Celebrex is no longer working and am

so sick and tired of constant pain. I want some relief. Here is part

of the article.

>

> Natural Duoflex CMO+HPR Treatment

> Cerasomal cis-9-cetylmyristoleate (CMO) has been used to treat all

types of arthritis and other autoimmune related disorders since 1995.

CMO is a natural substance (found in butter in small amounts) that,

for reasons not fully understood, tends to relieve symptoms and allow

those who have these illnesses to go about their daily lives with

little or no reminder of the miserable days when their disease was

active. CMO is taken for only a short time (10 - 20 days). No further

treatment is needed by most.

>

> When CMO is effective (80 - 90% of the time) the results last for

months and often years. There have never been any reported side

effects from this incredible natural product. CMO was originally

proven effective when tested on arthritic mice at the United States

National Institutes of Health in the early 1970's. It's use is

spreading world wide thru referrals from former sufferers of all

types of arthritis and other autoimmune illnesses.

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

OK, I got really curious and tried again to find the Dr. who did that

study I mentioned in my last posting. Guess what, I found him.

Check out http://www.hospitalsantamonica.com/id3.htm. He is in the

section labeled " Administration " . Note that Dr. Seimandi is

currently working on his masters degree in nutrition at the

university of baja california. He is head of the medical staff at

the Hospital Santa in rito Beach, California. At least

its good to know he actually exists, but now I understand why my

Rheumatologist couldn't find him in any of the indexes of medical

doctors.

> > Has anyone tried this? Any results? Sounds to good to be true but

> had to post this anyway to see what kind of replys I get. I am

> getting desperate. I believe the Celebrex is no longer working and

am

> so sick and tired of constant pain. I want some relief. Here is

part

> of the article.

> >

> > Natural Duoflex CMO+HPR Treatment

> > Cerasomal cis-9-cetylmyristoleate (CMO) has been used to treat

all

> types of arthritis and other autoimmune related disorders since

1995.

> CMO is a natural substance (found in butter in small amounts) that,

> for reasons not fully understood, tends to relieve symptoms and

allow

> those who have these illnesses to go about their daily lives with

> little or no reminder of the miserable days when their disease was

> active. CMO is taken for only a short time (10 - 20 days). No

further

> treatment is needed by most.

> >

> > When CMO is effective (80 - 90% of the time) the results last for

> months and often years. There have never been any reported side

> effects from this incredible natural product. CMO was originally

> proven effective when tested on arthritic mice at the United States

> National Institutes of Health in the early 1970's. It's use is

> spreading world wide thru referrals from former sufferers of all

> types of arthritis and other autoimmune illnesses.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Excellent detective work Kronahp. I guess the final test of whether

to toss out the purported study by Mr. Siemandi as fake, is whether

or not he lied about anything verifiable in the purported " study " you

read. Did he claim to be a medical doctor even though he is not, etc?

Anyone could publish a study. *I* could publish a study, but you'd be

less inclined to believe the results than you would a study published

by someone with more credentials than myself.

One minor geography clarification for folks in other parts of the

world: you said " He is head of the medical staff at the Hospital

Santa in rito Beach, California. " I'd just like to point

out that rito Beach is a little Mexican beach town (at least it

was *little* when I was there many years ago), about ten or twenty

miles south of California, USA. It's in the

state/province/territory/county (not sure how Mexico refers to its

geographical subdivisions) of Baja, Mexico on what's sometimes

referred to as the " California Peninsula " even though it's in Mexico.

Santa is a beach town near Los Angeles, California, USA.

Apparently it's also the name of a hospital in rito Beach, Baja,

Mexico as well. There is no rito Beach in California, USA. I have

no idea whether the " Hospital Santa " is a legitimate hospital,

or whether it's one of those " Get your MD Degree while you lie in the

Sun " so called " Hospitals " like Grenada runs. Those " not worth the

paper they're written on " Grenadaian diplomas aren't recognized here

in the USA, by the way.

-- Ron

> --- In , " kronahp

> <kronahp@y...> " <kronahp@...:

>

> OK, I got really curious and tried again to find the Dr. who did

> that study I mentioned in my last posting. Guess what, I found

> him. Check out http://www.hospitalsantamonica.com/id3.htm. He is

> in the section labeled " Administration " . Note that Dr. Seimandi

> is currently working on his masters degree in nutrition at the

> university of baja california. He is head of the medical staff

> at the Hospital Santa in rito Beach, California. At

> least its good to know he actually exists, but now I understand

> why my Rheumatologist couldn't find him in any of the indexes of

> medical doctors.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I stand corrected. Hospital Santa is in rito Beach, Baja

California, Mexico. I don't know why I missed that, I've been to rito

several times for their famous lobster. It is not a *real* hospital - it is an

alternative medicine treatment center that specializes in treating terminally

ill cancer patients who have given up on normal treatment protocols in the US.

Dr. Siamandi is not a licensed physician - he is currently completing his

masters degree in nutrition at the univiersity in Baja California, Mexico. As

far as I can tell, he does not have a medical degree. I am going to comb

through his paper again and review it with my researcher friend. I'll report

back. Concidentally, I live in the San Diego, CA. area where one third of our

population seems to be involved in biotech research, and all of us love rito

Beach Lobster (we just don't like having to drive down to Mexico to get it)!

" ron_s_dotson <PA@...> " <PA@...> wrote:Excellent detective work

Kronahp. I guess the final test of whether

to toss out the purported study by Mr. Siemandi as fake, is whether

or not he lied about anything verifiable in the purported " study " you

read. Did he claim to be a medical doctor even though he is not, etc?

Anyone could publish a study. *I* could publish a study, but you'd be

less inclined to believe the results than you would a study published

by someone with more credentials than myself.

One minor geography clarification for folks in other parts of the

world: you said " He is head of the medical staff at the Hospital

Santa in rito Beach, California. " I'd just like to point

out that rito Beach is a little Mexican beach town (at least it

was *little* when I was there many years ago), about ten or twenty

miles south of California, USA. It's in the

state/province/territory/county (not sure how Mexico refers to its

geographical subdivisions) of Baja, Mexico on what's sometimes

referred to as the " California Peninsula " even though it's in Mexico.

Santa is a beach town near Los Angeles, California, USA.

Apparently it's also the name of a hospital in rito Beach, Baja,

Mexico as well. There is no rito Beach in California, USA. I have

no idea whether the " Hospital Santa " is a legitimate hospital,

or whether it's one of those " Get your MD Degree while you lie in the

Sun " so called " Hospitals " like Grenada runs. Those " not worth the

paper they're written on " Grenadaian diplomas aren't recognized here

in the USA, by the way.

-- Ron