RE: Re: Elfstrom's Suggestions

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/5/2005 4:13:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

missionblondie@... writes:

hi orin,

i second your aye (aye, aye!) lol

karen

I third!!!! aye aye

Janet

[Guest guest]

Aye, also

Becky

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From: [mailto:missionblondie@...]

Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:59 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Elfstrom's suggestions

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hi orin,

i second your aye (aye, aye!) lol

karen

[Guest guest]

IMO, this list is for everyone and all views are welcomed. There were some

people here, however, who disagreed vehemently with and all I am

suggesting is that we be sure that we want an open list before he is invited

back

as I think it would be horrible to discover afterwards that we don't welcome

him here. I personally felt our list lost something when he left even though

I often disagreed with him but that view was not shared by all.

Kathy F.

In a message dated 2/6/2005 12:08:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

costello@... writes:

So is this group just for those taking prescription medications? I left

that philosophy in August when I went to a holistic health care facility. I

am off all arthritis meds and just taking supplements and avoiding the food

allergies that cause my syptoms. I told my story, responded to questions

and then shut up about it. I know that what worked for me will not work for

everyone. I am so glad to be off the meds that were toxic to my liver and

were destroying my stomach. I found that doctor because I was scared of MTX

and the long-term effects.

I don't think it is the philosophy of this group to censor suggestions that

deviate from the popular medical oppinion. We are here to share any

information we can to help each person make the best decisions based on

personal goals.

I think all of us should support each other in what ever treatment any of us

seek. This group has been a wealth of knowledge to me. I don't think I

would have had the courage to try other treatments if not for all the ideas

from this group. Let's welcome Dave back with his ideas, just make sure he

follows the format of support and encouragement--not attack.

Ks Di

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy:

I personally do not remember .

I am always open to new views, but definitely listen to my physicians. If he

is very strong in his messages, it could possibly sway people from the

traditional medical treatments which are giving them relief and possibly throw

them

backwards.

I have found great relief in the traditional treatments. Even my back is a

lot better after a series of epidurals, facet injections, and radio frequency

ablation. Every once in a while it haunts me some, but have had 3 good days in

a row. Therefore, I am one who definitely believes in the traditional

treaments.

I am only one voice but usually quiet.

Barb

[Guest guest]

So is this group just for those taking prescription medications? I left

that philosophy in August when I went to a holistic health care facility. I

am off all arthritis meds and just taking supplements and avoiding the food

allergies that cause my syptoms. I told my story, responded to questions

and then shut up about it. I know that what worked for me will not work for

everyone. I am so glad to be off the meds that were toxic to my liver and

were destroying my stomach. I found that doctor because I was scared of MTX

and the long-term effects.

I don't think it is the philosophy of this group to censor suggestions that

deviate from the popular medical oppinion. We are here to share any

information we can to help each person make the best decisions based on

personal goals.

I think all of us should support each other in what ever treatment any of us

seek. This group has been a wealth of knowledge to me. I don't think I

would have had the courage to try other treatments if not for all the ideas

from this group. Let's welcome Dave back with his ideas, just make sure he

follows the format of support and encouragement--not attack.

Ks Di

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/6/2005 1:28:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sharsackett@... writes:

I agree whole heartedly. What works for one person might not work for

another. I believe that we all derserve to know 'that One thing', whether it

be

meds or whatever, that might gives us hope and encouragement. We are all

mature and educated enough to make a decision that is right for our own body.

I agree with this as well. If one person may benifit from what

recommends then that is all the better. I know I will do what is best for my

own

body and I hope everyone else feels the same.

Janet

[Guest guest]

I agree whole heartedly. What works for one person might not work for another.

I believe that we all derserve to know 'that One thing', whether it be meds or

whatever, that might gives us hope and encouragement. We are all mature and

educated enough to make a decision that is right for our own body.

Thanks, Shar

Re: [ ] Re: Elfstrom's Suggestions

IMO, this list is for everyone and all views are welcomed. There were some

people here, however, who disagreed vehemently with and all I am

suggesting is that we be sure that we want an open list before he is invited

back

as I think it would be horrible to discover afterwards that we don't welcome

him here. I personally felt our list lost something when he left even though

I often disagreed with him but that view was not shared by all.

Kathy F.

In a message dated 2/6/2005 12:08:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

costello@... writes:

So is this group just for those taking prescription medications? I left

that philosophy in August when I went to a holistic health care facility. I

am off all arthritis meds and just taking supplements and avoiding the food

allergies that cause my syptoms. I told my story, responded to questions

and then shut up about it. I know that what worked for me will not work for

everyone. I am so glad to be off the meds that were toxic to my liver and

were destroying my stomach. I found that doctor because I was scared of MTX

and the long-term effects.

I don't think it is the philosophy of this group to censor suggestions that

deviate from the popular medical oppinion. We are here to share any

information we can to help each person make the best decisions based on

personal goals.

I think all of us should support each other in what ever treatment any of us

seek. This group has been a wealth of knowledge to me. I don't think I

would have had the courage to try other treatments if not for all the ideas

from this group. Let's welcome Dave back with his ideas, just make sure he

follows the format of support and encouragement--not attack.

Ks Di

[Guest guest]

Personally I don't think it was the fact that spoke of his convictions

for alternative approach for treating PA as objectionable, but rather the

evangelistic way he spoke of it! However, I should qualify this by saying

I'm always a bit put-off by people that pass themselves off as authorities

on any subject....he certainly isn't the only person that is/has been on

this list that speaks to every little situation with " great authority " ! I

admire people that do serious research and come to their own

conclusions....I don't necessarily like it when they start to profess that

they have figured it all out for the rest of us and we just need to follow

along using their conclusions.

I think everyone is entitled to be part of this group when PA is part of

their life.....folks, I've got a perfectly good Delete Key....when you start

to push my buttons, I just push my delete button....works every time!

Liz

[Guest guest]

Why is there all of this excruciating over this issue? You can always ban

him again. Right? I was banned from the AP site because I mentioned that

biologics were effective if their protocol wasn't working. Who cares. It's

an E-group. It's the nature of the beast. All of this analysis of the

situation is just more stuff to delete.