Re: Antibiotics??

May 28, 2003

I read in Prevention Magazine a couple of years ago that a University in Memphis

did a study, but with a small number of participants, using the antibiotic

clonidine for fourteen days. They reported improvement in p...I've never been

able to get my dr. to prescribe clonidine for more than 10 days [for sinusitis],

but maybe, it was the power of suggestion that I thought the p improved very

much. I'll be watching to seee if you find more info from other members.

Sylvia

May 28, 2003

At 07:14 PM 5/28/2003 +0000, Emelia wrote:

>Hello, I am writing to inquire if anyone here has any background with

>Antibiotic treatment for Psoriatic Arthritis?

Hi Emelia,

There's a very active groups dedicated to antibiotic treatment in

rheumatic disease. It's at:

rheumatic/

I've used antibiotic treatment for arthritis and have had success with it.

Not cured, but it certainly killed something off and improved my arthritis

permanently. More info on my experiences (somewhat old now) is at

http://elfstrom.com/arthritis/ (scroll down a bit on the page)

Elfstrom

May 28, 2003

Here is what has helped me. It might help you. Do your homework

and read everything and find a doctor that can help you. Good Luck,

Hank

History:

Present - Minor Joint Aches, no inflammation, All pain stopped, day

hikes (7 miles) and grip greatly improved – normal, carpal tunnel

gone; PA (Psoriatic Arthritis) is about 95% gone; Psoriasis is 95%

gone. No back pain, sleep well.

2/6/02- Lower back – Asymmetry sacroiliitis - X-ray reading – Sleep

problems (Pain waking me up twice or more a night). Built a

wheelchair ramp for the future. Sulfasalazine 3000mg did not work.

2/6/02 - Mild subluxation on MPC joints - X-ray reading – Brain Fog,

Depression; Methotrexate did not work

3/01 - Hands - joint inflammation, sausage fingers, carpal tunnel,

weak grip (trouble putting on socks) – constant pain; Cortisone

shots.

11/99- Feet - joint inflammation, hammertoe, heal spur, Fibromyalgia

Syndrome (FM; FMS) – trouble walking Cortisone shots; Start of PA

5/85 – Psoriasis - Coal Tar and Dovonex did not work.

Procedure:

Minocin (Pelletized by Lederle) 1x and acidophilus 3x per day

Present - 100mg Mon, Tues, Wed, Thurs, Fri (Sun lamp every Sunday

Evening)

Sept 02 - Stopped all RA drugs when I felt better.

June-02- 100mg Mon, Wed, Fri

April 02 – 50mg Mon, Wed, Fri (No New Pains or symptoms since

starting)

DIET:

Do not eat any MSG or aspartame; see www.msgmyth.com Eliminating

MSG is not easy. These ALWAYS contain MSG: Glutamate, Glutamic acid,

Gelatin, Monosodium glutamate, Calcium caseinate, Textured protein,

Monopotassium glutamate, Sodium caseinate, Yeast nutrient Yeast

extract, Yeast food, Autolyzed yeast, Hydrolyzed protein (any

protein that is hydrolyzed) If anything, this will force you to eat

healthier.

Long-term low dosage of antibiotics for the treatment of auto-immune

diseases sites. I find these first two sites indispensable for its

practical personal info.

rheumatic/ (go to Polls for stats)

http://www.remedyfind.com/hc-Rheumatoid-Arthritis.asp (Look at the

side info, after going into antibiotics)

These next two discuss the antibiotic protocols:

http://www.roadback.org/lit/facts.php?file=facts/ (Ask them for list

of doctors in your area)

http://www.immed.org/reports/treatment_considerations/TreatConsid-

Report-1.html

Read over materials supporting Antibiotic Protocol (AP) therapy and

its use in treating autoimmune diseases.

Please click the link below to read a very good study on Mycoplasma

strands proven to be present in Rheumatic Arthritis (RA) patients.

http://www.hbot4u.com/lupus4.html

This is a huge directory of links with Mycoplasma and its role in

specific diseases includes: Chronic fatigue, Fibromyalgia, and more.

http://dir.allzone.com/Health/Conditions_and_Diseases/Infectious_Dise

ases/Mycoplasmal/

Very GOOD article by the Arthritis Trust about Minocin!

http://www.arthritistrust.org/downloads/newslets/1999winter.pdf

" Mycoplasma Infections cause many chronic illnesses "

http://www.haciendapub.com/article24.html

" Mycoplasma infections in RA, Lupus, Fibro., and chronic fatigue "

EXCELLENT ARTICLE!

http://www.immed.org/publications/autoimmune_illness/pub1-3-13-

00.html

Where to buy the Minocin: www.smartmedpharmacy.com

Call Terry first to verify that it is: 100mg Pelletized by Lederle;

Price quantity of 100 ~ $100; Locally (Oregon) its $114 for 30 pills

Using the Google I came up with the following links. You've probably

seen most of them, but thought there might be one or two you had

missed. Just thought I'd pass it along.

1) Hotline - MINOCYCLINE FOR TREATMENT OF RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS ...

In the January 15, 1995 issue of the ls of Internal Medicine,

investigators in he MIRA (Minocycline in Rheumatoid Arthritis) Trial

Group reported the ...

http://www.rheumatology.org/research/hotline/0195minocycline.htm

2) Minocycline in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis Minocycline

in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis: by drdoc on-line. ... The

Minocycline in Rheumatoid arthritis study (Tilley et al. ...

http://www.arthritis.co.za/minocycline_in_tra.htm

3 Minocycline for rheumatoid arthritis Minocycline for rheumatoid

Arthritis… Reference.... Minocycline in rheumatoid arthritis: a 48

week, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. ...

http://www.infopoems.com/POEMs/JC059502.htm

4) Minocycline in Rheumatoid Arthritis, ls 24 Apr 98 Minocycline

in Rheumatoid Arthritis. ... This experience complements reports of

other studies of Minocycline for treating rheumatoid arthritis (19,

20, and 22). ...

http://www.acponline.org/journals/annals/15jan95/minocyc.htm

5) Clinical Trial Shows Minocycline is safe and Effective

for ... ... Findings of the Minocycline in Rheumatoid Arthritis

(MIRA) Trial are reported in the January 15 issue of ls in

Internal Medicine. ...

http://www.niams.nih.gov/ne/press/1995/01_14.htm

6) Rheumatoid Arthritis ... Clinical Trials about Antibiotic therapy

for certain arthritic conditions: Minocycline in rheumatoid

arthritis. A 48-week, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. ...

http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/normap/RA.htm

7) MINOCYCLINE CURES RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS 7989. MINOCYCLINE CURES

RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS. Gabe Mirkin, MD. An exciting study from the

University of Nebraska shows that the antibiotic...

http://www.drmirkin.com/joints/7989.htm

8) Postgraduate Medicine: Antibiotics for rheumatoid arthritis? ...

This practice would seem reasonable (although the Food and Drug

Administration has not approved Minocycline for rheumatoid

arthritis), but it is more likely to...

http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/1999/04_99/alarcon.htm

9) Minocycline is Effective in Mild- to Moderate Rheumatoid ... ...

Minocycline in active rheumatoid arthritis. A double-blind, placebo-

controlled trial. Arthritis Rheum. 1994;37:629-36. ... Minocycline

in rheumatoid arthritis. ...

http://www.med.ufl.edu/rheum/mino.html

10) Minocycline in rheumatoid arthritis. A 48-week, double-

blind ... Minocycline in rheumatoid arthritis. ... OBJECTIVE: To

assess the safety and efficacy of Minocycline in the treatment of

rheumatoid arthritis. ...

http://www.compkarori.com/arthritis/pi15001.htm

11) Treatment of early rheumatoid arthritis with Minocycline or ...

Treatment of early rheumatoid arthritis with Minocycline or

placebo: results of a randomized, double-blind, placebo-

controlled...

http://www.compkarori.com/arthritis/pi15002.htm

12) Rheumatoid-Arthritis Drug Found ... Doctors haven't proved, or

disproved, that an infection causes rheumatoid arthritis. And early

studies of Minocycline showed only a modest effect, discouraging...

http://www.tldp.com/issue/178/Rheumatoid%20Arthritis%20Drug.html

13) Previous studies had linked Minocycline to improvements in

rheumatoid arthritis, though two large studies in patients with

advanced disease showed the drug ...

http://www.unmc.edu/News/ODELL.HTM

14) For more information, contact: UNMC study published in leading

arthritis, rheumatology journal; Minocycline viable treatment for

early stages of rheumatoid arthritis. ...

http://www.unmc.edu/News/minocycline.htm

15) EARLY TREATMENT OF RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS BETTER ... Six

prospective double blind studies show that the antibiotic,

Minocycline helps treat rheumatoid arthritis, provided the

antibiotic is started within the ...

http://www.drmirkin.com/joints/1196.html

16) Antibiotic Treatment ... org. Minocycline In Treatment Of RA An

assessment of the use of Minocycline to treat rheumatoid arthritis,

by drdoc. New Treatments...

http://arthritis.about.com/cs/antibiotic/

17) SERO NEGATIVE RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS ... My doctor said it was

likely that I had rheumatoid arthritis and prescribed aspirin ...

took a summary of the 1995 National Institute of Health Minocycline

study to

.... http://www.rheumatic.org/david.htm

18) RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS ... At this time I began to research

rheumatoid arthritis on the Internet and came ... was a chance,

however slim, I would ask for this Minocycline and clindamycin. ...

http://www.rheumatic.org/judy2.htm

19) Drug Company Denies Harvard Rheumatoid Arthritis Researcher

7/13 ... ... adults with rheumatoid arthritis, supported by the

National Institutes of Health and published in 1995, found, however,

that Minocycline significantly reduced ...

http://www.mercola.com/2002/jul/13/ra_researcher.htm

20) Research URLS ... Minocycline in rheumatoid arthritis. A 48 ...

Radiographic results from the Minocycline in Rheumatoid Arthritis

(MIRA) Trial. Bluhm GB ...

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/6412/research.htm

21) Antibiotic Treatment For Rheumatoid Arthritis ... The

preliminary results of the clinical trials, known now as MIRA or

Minocycline in Rheumatoid Arthritis, were promising and the NIH

requested grant ...

http://arthritis.about.com/library/weekly/aa072998.htm

22) Postgraduate Medicine: Symposium: Rheumatologic Diseases ...

Treatment of early rheumatoid arthritis with Minocycline or

placebo: results of a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled

trial. ...

http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/1998/02_98/grem.htm

23) Tetracycline in Rheumatoid arthritis ... I see the Minocycline

as having a mild to medium disease modifying activity in RA. ... For

an update on the use of Minocycline in RA go to my Minocycline

page. ...

http://www.arthritis.co.za/tetrex.htm

24) NIH Guide: PILOT STUDY: INTRAVENOUS ANTIBIOTICS FOR

RHEUMATOID ...... joint destruction in inflammatory arthritis, has

recently ... small open trials oral Minocycline appeared to improve

outcome in rheumatoid patients (Breedveld ...

http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-AR-94-006.html

25) s Hopkins Arthritis ACR 2000 Highlights on Early

Rheumatoid ... ... Abstract #1894 Early Sero-Positive Rheumatoid

Arthritis (RA) Treatment: A 2-Year, Double-Blind Comparison of

Minocycline and Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) O ...

http://www.hopkins-arthritis.som.jhmi.edu/edu/acr2000/ra-earlyra.html

26) Antibiotic Provides Significant Improvement in Early

Rheumatoid ... ... Case studies previously linked the antibiotic

Minocycline to improvements in rheumatoid arthritis, though two

large studies in patients with long-standing ...

http://www.docguide.com/dg.nsf/PrintPrint/69BC771AAD85C82E8525654B006

F34A7

27) Rheumatoid Arthritis HQ ... Dr Mirkin - Minocycline and

rheumatoid arthritis (301-942-7900, DrMirkin.com); Rheumatoid

arthritis - what is it, causes, risk factors, symptoms,

diagnosis ...

http://www.rheumatoidarthritishq.com/3alternativetreatments.html

28) Minocycline (Minomycin) ... A number of studies has been

performed in North America, Europe, and in

Israel on the efficacy of Minocycline in the treatment of rheumatoid

arthritis. ...

http://www.rheumatology.org.nz/nz09005.htm

29) Minocycline ... When used to treat rheumatoid arthritis,

Minocycline is a slowly acting medication-taking months to show

maximum benefit. Most ...

http://www.midwestarthritis.com/html/minocycline.htm

30) Rheumatoid Arthritis ... Neb; Omaha, Neb; et al) Treatment of

Early Seropositive Rheumatoid Arthritis with Minocycline: Four Year

Follow-up of a Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Trial. ...

http://www.mdbrowse.com/Speciality/Medicine/RheumatoidArthritis.htm

May 29, 2003

Mike,

1-Do not stop your medications while taking the antibiotic

approach. Stop gradually after you feel better.

2-It takes 6 or more months to feel a difference. See the " Polls "

on how long it took to feel a noticable difference:

rheumatic/

Hank

May 29, 2003

Sylvia, are you sure it was clonidine that you are speaking of?????

Clonidine is a any antihypertension drugs use to control blood pressure. As

far I know, it not an antibiotic.

Perhaps,you were thinking of something with a similar sounding name.

Carol, in Vancouver. :-))

In a message dated 5/28/03 7:11:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

salo99@... writes:

> I read in Prevention Magazine a couple of years ago that a University in

> Memphis did a study, but with a small number of participants, using the

> antibiotic clonidine for fourteen days. They reported improvement in p...I've

never

> been able to get my dr. to prescribe clonidine for more than 10 days [for

> sinusitis], but maybe, it was the power of suggestion that I thought the p

> improved very much. I'll be watching to seee if you find more info from other

> members. Sylvia

>

May 30, 2003

No, I did take clonidine, but I meant clyndamyacin [spelling is probably wrong].

Sorry for the misinformation. Sylvia

May 30, 2003

Don't worry about it Sylvia. Btw, the spelling is clindamycin. I just can't

help myself. It that medical transcriptionist thing. I must spell every

medical word known to man correctly, or feel absolute guilt if I screw up!!!! I

live

and breathe medical terminology!!!!! God, I've been doing this job for too

long!!!. LOL }:-))

Carol in Vancouver, Washington

In a message dated 5/30/03 2:16:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

salo99@... writes:

> No, I did take clonidine, but I meant clyndamyacin [spelling is probably

> wrong]. Sorry for the misinformation. Sylvia

>

June 1, 2003

Carol, you'd have had a real hoot if'd known me when I was 19 years old & doing

medical transcription for a organization then called " Crippled Chilrdren's

Commission " . Over the years it's name was changed to one with more sensitivity.

However, I'd never used a dictaphone & thought I had to just type like crazy and

then retype and respell when I got the letters off the machine. One day,

someone leaned over and whispered, " You can turn it off with the footpeddle. "

Also I was taking medical and social dictation, but it had amazingly little

resemblance to Gregg [especially since I'd had one year of college in between my

shorthand classes in highschool.] I only worked there three months, but

amazingly I wasn't fired, but was promoted.

February 16, 2009

I have seen over and over with the kids I work with that antibiotics

for ear infections are ineffective and cause a nasty cycle of repeat

infections.

Better to treat naturally with garlic oil (try Willow Ear Oil from

Herbs for Kids) and probiotics; breastmilk in the ear if you nurse or

can get your hands on it; and search the back messages for Sheri's

articles on homeopathic remedies for this. There are tons of options

besides antibiotics - that would be my very last resort.

Melinda C.

February 16, 2009

At 12:31 AM 2/17/2009, you wrote:

>I am a newbie here and have really enjoyed what I have been reading.

>I think I am going to learn a lot. Thanks! My almost 1 year old has

>not been vaxed and has been healthy. Although, over the weekend he

>came down with a cold. I took him into the doctors today and he has

>double ear infection. How do you all feel about antibiotics? I know

>it weakens the immune system if over used. Now, that I have the

>bottle here I am questioning whether or not to give him his second

>dose. Any thoughts?

>

>Alissa

They pass out antibiotics like candy and that's why we are in the

trouble we are in

Rarely, except in life and death cases, do we need them (if then).

Often ear infections are diagnosed just from redness and that doesn't

mean infection

And ear infections have been found to resolve in the same time with

or without antibiotics

Antibiotics destroy healthy bacteria in the gut and who knows what else

They suppress the immune system.

Homeopathy and other things work very nicely.

I'll send info again - there is much in the archives of the list

Sheri

listowner

>------------------------------------

>

February 16, 2009

At 01:57 AM 2/17/2009, you wrote:

>Thanks! I do have the children's Hylands starter pack. And, I use

>that for coughs, fevers, and teething issues. I just wanted Joby to

>have a good night sleep and to feel better soon. I think I gave in

>too early. It's been 4 days. So, an ear infection can clear up on it's own?

certainly - we have immune systems for that sort of thing ;-)

Sheri

>

February 16, 2009

Hi. I am still breastfeeding and have been squirting milk in his ears. I did

put eucalyptus oil in our vaporizer. Thanks for all your suggestions! Alissa

From: Sue <mum2mishka@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Antibiotics??

Vaccinations

Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 8:25 PM

Don't suppose you're still breastfeeding, are you? Breastmilk is

marvellous

for ear infections.

Garlic oil too, and diluted eucalyptus oil. Plenty of natural remedies

before you turn to antibiotics. If he eats dairy, reduce or eliminate it

for the time being - it stimulates mucuc production and aggravates ear

problems.

Did the doctor take samples from his ears for analysis of bacteria, or did

he just say " ear infection " after a quick look? Ear infection is a different

thing to ear inflammation, which might be all he saw.