Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 Hi This would depend on the nature of the cardiac condition as it may be posible to evac in a the supine position. What was the actual cardiac symptoms/condition?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 Use a wedge cushion in a stokes basket. Just make sure the patient is strapped in nice and tight. Sitting a patient up changes the centre of gravity of the package and thus rescue crews need to be a lot more careful when transporting over rough ground. AFAIK there is no perfect way of doing it, its a matter of compromise and being practise. Struan A Question. > Group, > > Just covered a one day " adventure race " at the > weekend, How do you guys on Mountain Rescue teams move > cardiac patients, on Saturday where I was, the weather > was bad, rain and low cloud base so helicopter evac > not possible.Road access, ten minute walk though woods > and fields, any ideas. > > I carry a MIBS stretcher, is there a lightweight > stretcher that you can sit a patient up on if so > please tell. > > Thanks in anticipation. > > Kind regards > > Russ Wells > NHS Resuscitation Officer. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Plus > For a better Internet experience > http://www..co.uk/btoffer > > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: " russell wells " <resusruss@...> > Just covered a one day " adventure race " at the > weekend, How do you guys on Mountain Rescue teams move > cardiac patients, on Saturday where I was, the weather > was bad, rain and low cloud base so helicopter evac > not possible.Road access, ten minute walk though woods > and fields, any ideas. > > I carry a MIBS stretcher, is there a lightweight > stretcher that you can sit a patient up on if so > please tell. > > Thanks in anticipation. > > Kind regards > > Russ Wells > NHS Resuscitation Officer. > Ten minutes is a short carry out, hardly worth special consideration from the MR viewpoint. It is also sufficiently close to the road for high flow oxygen and fast oxygen resupply. On a flatbed MR stretcher, the patient mat be propped up using rucksacks etc, but this alters the centre of gravity and requires careful handling. One particular type of MR stretcher (the McInnes) has a bed which can be raised at the head end and clipped in an elevated position, eliminating the need for support packing and thus reducing carry weight. Stability is still a consideration. Some stretchers can be fitted with a wheel which helps with the load and also facilitates an angled (foot down) carry. If a sitting carryout is essential and the patient has no trauma injuries, you could try improvised carry methods, for example sitting between two persons using a sling seat over carriers shoulders shoulders. Only practical for a short carry as described. Gerry Dr Gerry , CEng. MIEE (EI0CH, WEMT) Informatics 2000 Radio Systems and Propagation Group Electronics Engineering, Trinity College Dublin, Ireland (ph +353-1-6081743) Dublin +_ Wicklow Mountain Rescue Team --- Electronic Mail to, from or within the College may be the subject of a request under the Freedom of Information Act. -- All opinions are personal unless otherwise stated. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Plus > For a better Internet experience > http://www..co.uk/btoffer > > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 Three years ago I witnessed am Austrian Mountain Rescue team removing a skier with a fractued Fib/Tib in a stretcher that could be adjusted, to allow the casualty to sit up. Maybe something similar is available, will trawl the net to see if I can find anything. Regards Neil Poole Elgin/lin Medic russell wells <resusruss@...> 19/05/2003 10:56 Please respond to cc: Subject: A Question. Group, Just covered a one day " adventure race " at the weekend, How do you guys on Mountain Rescue teams move cardiac patients, on Saturday where I was, the weather was bad, rain and low cloud base so helicopter evac not possible.Road access, ten minute walk though woods and fields, any ideas. I carry a MIBS stretcher, is there a lightweight stretcher that you can sit a patient up on if so please tell. Thanks in anticipation. Kind regards Russ Wells NHS Resuscitation Officer. __________________________________________________ Plus For a better Internet experience http://www..co.uk/btoffer Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 Russ The only way we have of keeping them sat up is to use a vacuum stretcher. Put a healthy person of ruffly the same size in, pump out the air so its in a sitting position. In goes the casualty and the remaining air is pumped out. Light weight? well its lighter than the steel bell stretcher everyone else goes on;) Hope that helps Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 Maybe I am being thick or missing the point as I have no MR experience. But if there is no history of trauma have you considered using a carry chair? Although it does not protect the patient from the environment / collision with rocks etc. and when they are carried the patient is not as upright as when wheeled it can still give a head up position especially if you put the taller team members at the head. Also as soon as you hit firm / smooth ground you can wheel the patient instead of carrying them. This may just be across the road / car park to the ambulance but anything that reduces the distance you have to lug people has to be a good thing. If I am wide of the mark, please enlighten me. Gareth >From: russell wells <resusruss@...> >Reply- > >Subject: A Question. >Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:56:35 +0100 (BST) > >Group, > >Just covered a one day " adventure race " at the >weekend, How do you guys on Mountain Rescue teams move >cardiac patients, on Saturday where I was, the weather >was bad, rain and low cloud base so helicopter evac >not possible.Road access, ten minute walk though woods >and fields, any ideas. > >I carry a MIBS stretcher, is there a lightweight >stretcher that you can sit a patient up on if so >please tell. > >Thanks in anticipation. > >Kind regards > >Russ Wells >NHS Resuscitation Officer. > > > > >__________________________________________________ > Plus >For a better Internet experience >http://www..co.uk/btoffer > _________________________________________________________________ Surf together with new Shared Browsing http://join.msn.com/?page=features/browse & pgmarket=en-gb & XAPID=74 & DI=1059 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2003 Report Share Posted May 20, 2003 The stretcher referred to below is probably the Mariner Stretcher. Look at www.rescuestretchers.co.uk under history. Gareth 's suggestion of an ambulance carry-chair seems sensible for the distance involved. MR do not use these so I did not mention it in my initial reply. Four persons could carry it. Dr Gerry , CEng. MIEE (EI0CH, WEMT) Informatics 2000 Radio Systems and Propagation Group Electronics Engineering, Trinity College Dublin, Ireland (ph +353-1-6081743) Dublin +_ Wicklow Mountain Rescue Team --- Electronic Mail to, from or within the College may be the subject of a request under the Freedom of Information Act. -- All opinions are personal unless otherwise stated. A Question. > > > Group, > > Just covered a one day " adventure race " at the > weekend, How do you guys on Mountain Rescue teams move > cardiac patients, on Saturday where I was, the weather > was bad, rain and low cloud base so helicopter evac > not possible.Road access, ten minute walk though woods > and fields, any ideas. > > I carry a MIBS stretcher, is there a lightweight > stretcher that you can sit a patient up on if so > please tell. > > Thanks in anticipation. > > Kind regards > > Russ Wells > NHS Resuscitation Officer. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Plus > For a better Internet experience > http://www..co.uk/btoffer > > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent > to the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 I doubt if a quick risk assessment would justify the evacuation of a casualty with the symptoms described utilising a carry chair through woodland and fields, in wind and rain. Stability would be a major problem and, if one rescuer stumbled, the whole carry would collapse with the possibility of additional injury occurring to those involved. For relatively short carry outs with sufficient bods available to perform the carry, a vacuum mattress provides a quick and efficient method of evacuation. Simply aspirate the air from the mattress while shaping around the casualty in the sitting position. The addition of slings through the vacmat's carrying handles will enable a safe carry by a 6 - 8 person evac team. Daryl A Question. > > > Group, > > Just covered a one day " adventure race " at the > weekend, How do you guys on Mountain Rescue teams move > cardiac patients, on Saturday where I was, the weather > was bad, rain and low cloud base so helicopter evac > not possible.Road access, ten minute walk though woods > and fields, any ideas. > > I carry a MIBS stretcher, is there a lightweight > stretcher that you can sit a patient up on if so > please tell. > > Thanks in anticipation. > > Kind regards > > Russ Wells > NHS Resuscitation Officer. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Plus > For a better Internet experience > http://www..co.uk/btoffer > > > > Member Information: > > List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... > Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... > > ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent > to the list owner. > > Post message: egroups > > Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk > > Regards > > The Remote Medics Team > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Hi everyone. I am quite new here and was wondering if anyone has had any bones removes and if so what were the effects on your PA? I have a herniated liver (leave it to me to have something totally wacky) and my bottom rib which is only half there is poking into it so they want to go in and remove my rib and fix the hernia. (OH JOY>>>ANOTHER SURGERY) I am worried that it will make my inflammation worse. Any help? Gentle Hugs Marie Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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