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Dear Susie,

That is just awful! Nobody needs a young blond GP who rolls her

eyes... wouldn't she just love to be in our shoes for just one

day... I'm fuming after reading your post. Glad you gave her a

piece of your mind - and I would suggest that perhaps it is high

time you seriously considered finding a doctor who not only knows

what it is you have, but will treat you with the respect and dignity

you deserve. We all need doctors who work with us as partners in

dealing with and treating this disease. We should neither expect

nor settle for less.

Now that I've got that off my chest, I will just say hang in there

kiddo, I'm proud of you for standing up for yourself, and I wish for

you only better and less painful days ahead.

God Bless,

PS: Don't think PA is that rare either, by the way.

>

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I went to my GP yesterday for a checkup to be able to have my

total

> hip replacement next month. When I was in there I thought I would

> get my anger off my chest since she wasn't able to diagnose my PA

and

> said it was gout two years ago...so I went through months of pain

> while my finger I can no longer bend; thank God my husband's

> insurance let me get a Rheumy on my own and he couldn't believe

how

> bad I was...after months it had gone from my fingers to my toes,

hip,

> spine, jaw. Anyhow she, the GP said the reason she wasn't able to

> diagnose PA was because it is rare condition!! She said she had

> never seen it and didn't think any GP in her group had seen it!!

I

> have a hard time believing this-just during my husband's family

> reunion this summer two of his relatives had it. I told her my

> Rheumy was only in the exam room for less than ten minutes when he

> told me what I had...she said it was because he specializes in it

so

> he would know what to look for. I am still angry at her and it

did

> feel good getting some of this off my chest. She is right out of

> med. school and is a pretty little blonde thing and acts so

superior

> to me-even one time I " caught " her rolling her eyes at her nurse

when

> I was telling her about the different areas that hurt...maybe if

she

> would have listened she would have gotten the diagnosis right. I

> just feel that Drs. should be accounted for their actions. Thanks

> for listening.

>

> God Bless, Sue in Michigan.

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Dear Susie, I don't think I could have taken the eye rolling thing when I

was describing my pain. That is so rude it's unreal. Not to mention

extremely unprofessional for a doctor. I know doctors must talk about their

patients after we leave with their staff and that's really something that no

one can help. But in front of you when you are trying to communicate your

pain to her!!!! I would be running to find another doctor.

I do think out of all the arthritis types out there, PA isn't the most

common. From your descriptions though she should have at least diagnosed

you with RA, and then you would have been on a similar treatment plan. My

family doctor never did get PA right, but he did at least tell me he knew I

had at the very least RA, osteoarthritis, fibromyalgia, and some other type

he couldn't figure out. I have no problem when I doctor tells me he doesn't

know. I just hate it when they act like they know everything and won't

admit that they are lost with my problems. The worst thing a doctor can do

in my opinion is not know what is wrong with their patient, and yet still

not refer them to another specialist to find out. Lets face it they can't

know everything, and some of them are highly specialized. The least they

can do is pass us on to someone who can help us. The least she could have

done was research your symptoms on the Internet and even then would have

come up with PA just from the description you gave in this email. I think

she had you lumped into a chronic complainer, if she didn't believe your

pain was real, why would she believe your other problems were real either?

Boy doctors sure can make me mad at times...lol. I would keep looking for

another doctor Susie and I know it's a real pain. I hate doctor shopping.

It's the last thing you want to do when you feel bad, but that's when you

need a good doctor the most. Well take care and I'm glad you at least told

her off on the diagnoses. Love, Fran

[ ] Is PA rare?

Hi Everyone,

I went to my GP yesterday for a checkup to be able to have my total

hip replacement next month. When I was in there I thought I would

get my anger off my chest since she wasn't able to diagnose my PA and

said it was gout two years ago...so I went through months of pain

while my finger I can no longer bend; thank God my husband's

insurance let me get a Rheumy on my own and he couldn't believe how

bad I was...after months it had gone from my fingers to my toes, hip,

spine, jaw. Anyhow she, the GP said the reason she wasn't able to

diagnose PA was because it is rare condition!! She said she had

never seen it and didn't think any GP in her group had seen it!! I

have a hard time believing this-just during my husband's family

reunion this summer two of his relatives had it. I told her my

Rheumy was only in the exam room for less than ten minutes when he

told me what I had...she said it was because he specializes in it so

he would know what to look for. I am still angry at her and it did

feel good getting some of this off my chest. She is right out of

med. school and is a pretty little blonde thing and acts so superior

to me-even one time I " caught " her rolling her eyes at her nurse when

I was telling her about the different areas that hurt...maybe if she

would have listened she would have gotten the diagnosis right. I

just feel that Drs. should be accounted for their actions. Thanks

for listening.

God Bless, Sue in Michigan.

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I don't know if you'd consider PA " rare " , but

certainly isn't common. Here's some data I included in

my journal post

( http://www.livejournal.com/users/astein142/ )

a few weeks ago:

" According to the Psoriasis Foundation, Psoriasis

affects about 4.5 million people in the U.S., about 3%

of the population in general. About 23% of people with

psoriasis also have psoriatic arthritis. About 5% of

people with psoriatic arthritis have involvement of

the spine. "

If I'm doing the math right, then that gives us just

over 1 million people in the U.S. with (diagnosed) PA,

and about 51,750 of them have PA in the spine.

It took me 20 years to get a diagnosis, including

visits to at least 4 different rheumys, 2 different

dermatologies, a neurologist, and countless GPs over

that span of time. Since my rheumatoid factor tests

were always negative, they didn't seem too concerned

about the symptoms and pain.

Sorry to hear your GP was an inexperienced

whippersnapper. It takes a few years to break in new

ones just right. ;)

--

=====

--------------------------

Stein

www.noblefusion.com/astein

If you're tired of fighting battles with yourself

If you want to be somebody else

Change your mind...

-- Sister Hazel

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Hi , mind if I add you to my LJ friends? I'm 'turrelle' at LJ :)

Crystal

>From: Stein <darkart42@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: [ ] Is PA rare?

>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:08:30 -0800 (PST)

>

>

>I don't know if you'd consider PA " rare " , but

>certainly isn't common. Here's some data I included in

>my journal post

>( http://www.livejournal.com/users/astein142/ )

>a few weeks ago:

>

> " According to the Psoriasis Foundation, Psoriasis

>affects about 4.5 million people in the U.S., about 3%

>of the population in general. About 23% of people with

>psoriasis also have psoriatic arthritis. About 5% of

>people with psoriatic arthritis have involvement of

>the spine. "

>

>If I'm doing the math right, then that gives us just

>over 1 million people in the U.S. with (diagnosed) PA,

>and about 51,750 of them have PA in the spine.

>

>It took me 20 years to get a diagnosis, including

>visits to at least 4 different rheumys, 2 different

>dermatologies, a neurologist, and countless GPs over

>that span of time. Since my rheumatoid factor tests

>were always negative, they didn't seem too concerned

>about the symptoms and pain.

>

>Sorry to hear your GP was an inexperienced

>whippersnapper. It takes a few years to break in new

>ones just right. ;)

>

>--

>

>=====

>--------------------------

> Stein

>www.noblefusion.com/astein

>

>If you're tired of fighting battles with yourself

>If you want to be somebody else

>Change your mind...

>-- Sister Hazel

>

>__________________________________________________

>

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Hi ,

Thanks so much for the kind words. My daughter was with me and she

said that the Dr. looked like " The Bride of Chucky " - lol,I don't know

if you have seen this movie. My daughter made me laugh when she said

that. I do get angry every time I think of what I've been through.

I told that Dr. that if I could help someone else (hopefully she

could be able to diagnose PA after this) that it would be worth what

I went through. I don't feel sorry one bit when a Dr. gets sued-they

should be accounted for. I will always remember her rolling her eyes

at the nurse. She asked me how I was feeling and I didn't tell her

about my eyes and that I had an awful sore throat-I'm going to my

Rheumy tomorrow so I rather tell him-he is more compassionate. And

this is the last time I will go to her-there are other Drs. in her

group. Thanks again.

God Bless, Sue in Michigan.

In , " " <missionblondie@y...>

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Susie,

>

> That is just awful! Nobody needs a young blond GP who rolls her

> eyes... wouldn't she just love to be in our shoes for just one

> day... I'm fuming after reading your post. Glad you gave her a

> piece of your mind - and I would suggest that perhaps it is high

> time you seriously considered finding a doctor who not only knows

> what it is you have, but will treat you with the respect and

dignity

> you deserve. We all need doctors who work with us as partners in

> dealing with and treating this disease. We should neither expect

> nor settle for less.

>

> Now that I've got that off my chest, I will just say hang in there

> kiddo, I'm proud of you for standing up for yourself, and I wish

for

> you only better and less painful days ahead.

>

> God Bless,

>

>

>

> PS: Don't think PA is that rare either, by the way.

>

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> >

> > I went to my GP yesterday for a checkup to be able to have my

> total

> > hip replacement next month. When I was in there I thought I

would

> > get my anger off my chest since she wasn't able to diagnose my PA

> and

> > said it was gout two years ago...so I went through months of pain

> > while my finger I can no longer bend; thank God my husband's

> > insurance let me get a Rheumy on my own and he couldn't believe

> how

> > bad I was...after months it had gone from my fingers to my toes,

> hip,

> > spine, jaw. Anyhow she, the GP said the reason she wasn't able

to

> > diagnose PA was because it is rare condition!! She said she had

> > never seen it and didn't think any GP in her group had seen it!!

> I

> > have a hard time believing this-just during my husband's family

> > reunion this summer two of his relatives had it. I told her my

> > Rheumy was only in the exam room for less than ten minutes when

he

> > told me what I had...she said it was because he specializes in it

> so

> > he would know what to look for. I am still angry at her and it

> did

> > feel good getting some of this off my chest. She is right out of

> > med. school and is a pretty little blonde thing and acts so

> superior

> > to me-even one time I " caught " her rolling her eyes at her nurse

> when

> > I was telling her about the different areas that hurt...maybe if

> she

> > would have listened she would have gotten the diagnosis right. I

> > just feel that Drs. should be accounted for their actions.

Thanks

> > for listening.

> >

> > God Bless, Sue in Michigan.

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Hi Fran,

Thanks so much for your kind message-I second the one that said that

your messages are always the ones to look for because of the

compassion. I figure if I could help one person not to go through

what I went through trying to find out what was wrong with me-I will

feel better. Hopefully she will be able diagnose it if she sees if

again. I'm to the point that I only trust my Rheumy and my bone Dr.

and they both are up in Ann Arbor-about a hour drive (which really

isn't bad)-I just hate driving that far. We don't have a Rheumy

close by and the other bone Drs. around here aren't really good. I

am going to go to a different GP though-there are three other Drs.

where this Blonde one is located-she told me to " feel free " to go to

someone else. My husband said I should stay with her because she

might end up being more careful in my case-but the rolling of the

eyes I couldn't take ever again-just knowing that she did it still

bothers me.

Thanks again and God bless, Sue in Michigan.

In , " Fran Mishler " <fran@m...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Susie, I don't think I could have taken the eye rolling thing

when I

> was describing my pain. That is so rude it's unreal. Not to

mention

> extremely unprofessional for a doctor. I know doctors must talk

about their

> patients after we leave with their staff and that's really

something that no

> one can help. But in front of you when you are trying to

communicate your

> pain to her!!!! I would be running to find another doctor.

>

> I do think out of all the arthritis types out there, PA isn't the

most

> common. From your descriptions though she should have at least

diagnosed

> you with RA, and then you would have been on a similar treatment

plan. My

> family doctor never did get PA right, but he did at least tell me

he knew I

> had at the very least RA, osteoarthritis, fibromyalgia, and some

other type

> he couldn't figure out. I have no problem when I doctor tells me

he doesn't

> know. I just hate it when they act like they know everything and

won't

> admit that they are lost with my problems. The worst thing a

doctor can do

> in my opinion is not know what is wrong with their patient, and yet

still

> not refer them to another specialist to find out. Lets face it

they can't

> know everything, and some of them are highly specialized. The

least they

> can do is pass us on to someone who can help us. The least she

could have

> done was research your symptoms on the Internet and even then would

have

> come up with PA just from the description you gave in this email.

I think

> she had you lumped into a chronic complainer, if she didn't believe

your

> pain was real, why would she believe your other problems were real

either?

>

> Boy doctors sure can make me mad at times...lol. I would keep

looking for

> another doctor Susie and I know it's a real pain. I hate doctor

shopping.

> It's the last thing you want to do when you feel bad, but that's

when you

> need a good doctor the most. Well take care and I'm glad you at

least told

> her off on the diagnoses. Love, Fran

> [ ] Is PA rare?

>

>

>

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I went to my GP yesterday for a checkup to be able to have my

total

> hip replacement next month. When I was in there I thought I would

> get my anger off my chest since she wasn't able to diagnose my PA

and

> said it was gout two years ago...so I went through months of pain

> while my finger I can no longer bend; thank God my husband's

> insurance let me get a Rheumy on my own and he couldn't believe

how

> bad I was...after months it had gone from my fingers to my toes,

hip,

> spine, jaw. Anyhow she, the GP said the reason she wasn't able to

> diagnose PA was because it is rare condition!! She said she had

> never seen it and didn't think any GP in her group had seen it!!

I

> have a hard time believing this-just during my husband's family

> reunion this summer two of his relatives had it. I told her my

> Rheumy was only in the exam room for less than ten minutes when he

> told me what I had...she said it was because he specializes in it

so

> he would know what to look for. I am still angry at her and it

did

> feel good getting some of this off my chest. She is right out of

> med. school and is a pretty little blonde thing and acts so

superior

> to me-even one time I " caught " her rolling her eyes at her nurse

when

> I was telling her about the different areas that hurt...maybe if

she

> would have listened she would have gotten the diagnosis right. I

> just feel that Drs. should be accounted for their actions. Thanks

> for listening.

>

> God Bless, Sue in Michigan.

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In a message dated 11/16/2004 1:03:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

susieesue@... writes:

I was telling her about the different areas that hurt...maybe if she

would have listened she would have gotten the diagnosis right. I

just feel that Drs. should be accounted for their actions. Thanks

for listening.

Sue,

I really feel for you. I have been in the medical profession and a few

credits away from my RN degree and believe me I have seen many doctors who

should

not have gotten their degree. I went through a similar situation like

yourself and for years was misdiagnosed. Even ten year ago when I went to a

rheumy and told him I thought I had PA, he just shrugged his shoulders. All

the

signs were there. P, swollen toes, pain in many different joints, etc. All

he did was blow me off and tell me to take an anti-inflamatory. It wasn't

until 2 years ago when I flared badly that my derm of many years told me he

thought I had PA. I then went to a new rheumy and he confirmed it right away.

All I can say is listen to yourself and your gut feelings and if the doctor

you have is ignorant then it may be time to find a new one.

Janet

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what a bummer...

i hope you have a beter doctor now, she sounds like an arrogant b with an

itch...

Tom in Anchorage with slidey streets...

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone,

> > >

> > > I went to my GP yesterday for a checkup to be able to have my

> > total

> > > hip replacement next month. When I was in there I thought I

> would

> > > get my anger off my chest since she wasn't able to diagnose my PA

> > and

> > > said it was gout two years ago...so I went through months of pain

> > > while my finger I can no longer bend; thank God my husband's

> > > insurance let me get a Rheumy on my own and he couldn't believe

> > how

> > > bad I was...after months it had gone from my fingers to my toes,

> > hip,

> > > spine, jaw. Anyhow she, the GP said the reason she wasn't able

> to

> > > diagnose PA was because it is rare condition!! She said she had

> > > never seen it and didn't think any GP in her group had seen it!!

> > I

> > > have a hard time believing this-just during my husband's family

> > > reunion this summer two of his relatives had it. I told her my

> > > Rheumy was only in the exam room for less than ten minutes when

> he

> > > told me what I had...she said it was because he specializes in it

> > so

> > > he would know what to look for. I am still angry at her and it

> > did

> > > feel good getting some of this off my chest. She is right out of

> > > med. school and is a pretty little blonde thing and acts so

> > superior

> > > to me-even one time I " caught " her rolling her eyes at her nurse

> > when

> > > I was telling her about the different areas that hurt...maybe if

> > she

> > > would have listened she would have gotten the diagnosis right. I

> > > just feel that Drs. should be accounted for their actions.

> Thanks

> > > for listening.

> > >

> > > God Bless, Sue in Michigan.

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Dear Sue, I would get rid of that doctor really fast. For one thing, how

can you ever fully trust someone if you feel like they are belittling you

behind your back? She might be on notice or like your husband said, more

careful, but I wouldn't be comfortable with someone I knew felt that way

about me deep down inside. I don't have to be best friends with my doctor,

but it sure as hell helps...lol. My pain doctor and I joke all the time.

We laugh about old movies like Blazing Saddles, or other Mel crazy

films. We both love the Sopranos and the Simpson's, and he his addicted to

chocolate of all kinds. My husband likes him too and we all get busy

laughing and carrying on in the office, that some time we forget what we are

even in there for. I know this unusual, because I don't have another doctor

I feel that close too. I just know he would help me anytime he could.

My family doctor is more reserved, but I know he would never make fun of me.

He laughs with me when I try and make him smile, but he is more serious than

my other doctor. That sounds like I'm a stand up comedian at the doctor's

office, but I know sometimes they get tired of hearing only the bad news.

Even so I never had anyone make fun of me that I know of, anyway...lol. I

had my hands full at the Cleveland Clinic in Naples, and I'm sure you read

my emails about how horrible that experience was. So I don't always do what

I say, when I'm in a bad situation. Sometimes we are just caught off guard,

and looking back I wonder why I put up with that abuse at the time.

You just don't expect it from a professional or someone who is in a " caring

field " . I think you have the right idea to travel to the best doctors. I

did that for years when we moved from Naples and my rheumatologist was 4

hours away. Luckily, I only had to see him two times a year. He passed

away or I'd still be seeing him.

Take care Sue and good luck finding a new doctor. Just keep reminding

yourself that they are working for you. Love, Fran That's what I do...

----Original Message-----

From: susieesue [mailto:susieesue@...]

Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:08 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Is PA rare?

---

Hi Fran,

Thanks so much for your kind message-I second the one that said that

your messages are always the ones to look for because of the

compassion. I figure if I could help one person not to go through

what I went through trying to find out what was wrong with me-I will

feel better. Hopefully she will be able diagnose it if she sees if

again. I'm to the point that I only trust my Rheumy and my bone Dr.

and they both are up in Ann Arbor-about a hour drive (which really

isn't bad)-I just hate driving that far. We don't have a Rheumy

close by and the other bone Drs. around here aren't really good. I

am going to go to a different GP though-there are three other Drs.

where this Blonde one is located-she told me to " feel free " to go to

someone else. My husband said I should stay with her because she

might end up being more careful in my case-but the rolling of the

eyes I couldn't take ever again-just knowing that she did it still

bothers me.

Thanks again and God bless, Sue in Michigan.

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Hi ,

Thanks so much for writing back and your very interesting statistics!

I really appreciate reading them and was some what surprized. Thanks

again for caring.

God Bless, Sue in Michigan.

In , Stein <darkart42@y...>

wrote:

>

> I don't know if you'd consider PA " rare " , but

> certainly isn't common. Here's some data I included in

> my journal post

> ( http://www.livejournal.com/users/astein142/ )

> a few weeks ago:

>

> " According to the Psoriasis Foundation, Psoriasis

> affects about 4.5 million people in the U.S., about 3%

> of the population in general. About 23% of people with

> psoriasis also have psoriatic arthritis. About 5% of

> people with psoriatic arthritis have involvement of

> the spine. "

>

> If I'm doing the math right, then that gives us just

> over 1 million people in the U.S. with (diagnosed) PA,

> and about 51,750 of them have PA in the spine.

>

> It took me 20 years to get a diagnosis, including

> visits to at least 4 different rheumys, 2 different

> dermatologies, a neurologist, and countless GPs over

> that span of time. Since my rheumatoid factor tests

> were always negative, they didn't seem too concerned

> about the symptoms and pain.

>

> Sorry to hear your GP was an inexperienced

> whippersnapper. It takes a few years to break in new

> ones just right. ;)

>

> --

>

> =====

> --------------------------

> Stein

> www.noblefusion.com/astein

>

> If you're tired of fighting battles with yourself

> If you want to be somebody else

> Change your mind...

> -- Sister Hazel

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Hi Tom,

Thanks for your message-it was appreciated.

God Bless, Sue.

In , " tr1rt " <tr1rt@y...> wrote:

>

>

> what a bummer...

> i hope you have a beter doctor now, she sounds like an arrogant b

with an itch...

> Tom in Anchorage with slidey streets...

>

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I went to my GP yesterday for a checkup to be able to have my

> > > total

> > > > hip replacement next month. When I was in there I thought I

> > would

> > > > get my anger off my chest since she wasn't able to diagnose

my PA

> > > and

> > > > said it was gout two years ago...so I went through months of

pain

> > > > while my finger I can no longer bend; thank God my husband's

> > > > insurance let me get a Rheumy on my own and he couldn't

believe

> > > how

> > > > bad I was...after months it had gone from my fingers to my

toes,

> > > hip,

> > > > spine, jaw. Anyhow she, the GP said the reason she wasn't

able

> > to

> > > > diagnose PA was because it is rare condition!! She said she

had

> > > > never seen it and didn't think any GP in her group had seen

it!!

> > > I

> > > > have a hard time believing this-just during my husband's

family

> > > > reunion this summer two of his relatives had it. I told her

my

> > > > Rheumy was only in the exam room for less than ten minutes

when

> > he

> > > > told me what I had...she said it was because he specializes

in it

> > > so

> > > > he would know what to look for. I am still angry at her and

it

> > > did

> > > > feel good getting some of this off my chest. She is right

out of

> > > > med. school and is a pretty little blonde thing and acts so

> > > superior

> > > > to me-even one time I " caught " her rolling her eyes at her

nurse

> > > when

> > > > I was telling her about the different areas that hurt...maybe

if

> > > she

> > > > would have listened she would have gotten the diagnosis

right. I

> > > > just feel that Drs. should be accounted for their actions.

> > Thanks

> > > > for listening.

> > > >

> > > > God Bless, Sue in Michigan.

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Hi Fran,

Thanks for the message. I can't go back to her, ever. I'm going to

go to another Dr. in her " group " that is getting ready to retire and

then I'll have to find someone else. You know when I accused her of

rolling her eyes she didn't once say that she didn't do it or I

misunderstood her (I don't know how that could happen-I guess rolling

of the eyes is universal). I feel bad for others that have to go to

her because there isn't anyone else to go to. My Dr. that I had for

30 years left the area a few years ago and I haven't been able to

find another one like him. He was right out of Med. school and was

the nicest person and caring. I'm finding out now that you either

get caring or intelligent and not together anymore!! I do like my

Rheumy in Ann Arbor-he is very caring.

Thanks again and God Bless, Sue.

In , " Fran Mishler " <fran@m...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sue, I would get rid of that doctor really fast. For one

thing, how

> can you ever fully trust someone if you feel like they are

belittling you

> behind your back? She might be on notice or like your husband

said, more

> careful, but I wouldn't be comfortable with someone I knew felt

that way

> about me deep down inside. I don't have to be best friends with my

doctor,

> but it sure as hell helps...lol. My pain doctor and I joke all

the time.

> We laugh about old movies like Blazing Saddles, or other Mel

crazy

> films. We both love the Sopranos and the Simpson's, and he his

addicted to

> chocolate of all kinds. My husband likes him too and we all get

busy

> laughing and carrying on in the office, that some time we forget

what we are

> even in there for. I know this unusual, because I don't have

another doctor

> I feel that close too. I just know he would help me anytime he

could.

>

> My family doctor is more reserved, but I know he would never make

fun of me.

> He laughs with me when I try and make him smile, but he is more

serious than

> my other doctor. That sounds like I'm a stand up comedian at the

doctor's

> office, but I know sometimes they get tired of hearing only the bad

news.

> Even so I never had anyone make fun of me that I know of,

anyway...lol. I

> had my hands full at the Cleveland Clinic in Naples, and I'm sure

you read

> my emails about how horrible that experience was. So I don't

always do what

> I say, when I'm in a bad situation. Sometimes we are just caught

off guard,

> and looking back I wonder why I put up with that abuse at the time.

>

> You just don't expect it from a professional or someone who is in

a " caring

> field " . I think you have the right idea to travel to the best

doctors. I

> did that for years when we moved from Naples and my rheumatologist

was 4

> hours away. Luckily, I only had to see him two times a year. He

passed

> away or I'd still be seeing him.

>

> Take care Sue and good luck finding a new doctor. Just keep

reminding

> yourself that they are working for you. Love, Fran That's what I

do...

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Hi Janet,

Thanks so much for the message. It is so sad that so many of us have

to suffer so much until we were diagnosed correctly. Even alittle

compassion would have gone a long way with me-like I'm sorry, I'm

sorry you suffered, etc. With Drs. responsible for so many lives

you'd think that they would more careful and more thorough.

Thanks again and God Bless, Sue.

In , fam24@a... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 11/16/2004 1:03:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> susieesue@y... writes:

>

> I was telling her about the different areas that hurt...maybe if

she

> would have listened she would have gotten the diagnosis right. I

> just feel that Drs. should be accounted for their actions. Thanks

> for listening.

>

>

>

> Sue,

> I really feel for you. I have been in the medical profession and

a few

> credits away from my RN degree and believe me I have seen many

doctors who should

> not have gotten their degree. I went through a similar situation

like

> yourself and for years was misdiagnosed. Even ten year ago when I

went to a

> rheumy and told him I thought I had PA, he just shrugged his

shoulders. All the

> signs were there. P, swollen toes, pain in many different joints,

etc. All

> he did was blow me off and tell me to take an anti-inflamatory.

It wasn't

> until 2 years ago when I flared badly that my derm of many years

told me he

> thought I had PA. I then went to a new rheumy and he confirmed it

right away.

> All I can say is listen to yourself and your gut feelings and if

the doctor

> you have is ignorant then it may be time to find a new one.

> Janet

>

>

>

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I think time will prove the numbers of psoriatic arthritics with

spine involvement are greater than that. The problem comes with

getting a diagnoses. (it's just hard for me to believe I am 1 in

only 50,000 or so people that have this.) I was diagnosed with PA

long ago, but one doctor said I couldn't possibly have spine

involvement because it was so rare and usually happened to males. X-

rays proved otherwise, unfortunately.

I've been on MTX 16 years and that helped quite a bit to slow the

progress of bone damage. Now I'm on enbrel and MTX and it's a good

combination. My neck has shown the biggest improvement though I

still have my days. My hands have shown the least improvement and I

have no idea why. As far as the psoriasis, I was 45% involved while

on MTX alone, and now I fluctuate with between about 2 and 10%, so

that is a slice of heaven. I've only been on it since March, and I

always get scared it will stop working and I will be like Cinderella

at midnight.

I do believe it's caused more weight gain for me but mostly from

increased appetite which is probably from just feeling well. I keep

trying to eat less and exercise more to offset it, so far to no avail.

BUT BELIEVE ME, I'M NOT COMPLAINING, I feel so much better.

I joined water aerobics at my gym and I don't feel embarrassed

because of my skin. I was thinking how wonderful it was to feel like

a 'normal' human being without all the awful stares and wondering

when they might kick me out of the pool or more likely when I just

would not go anymore because of the constant feeling of being a leper

and making people scared or disgusted. It's very tiring trying to

rise above it.

I wish everyone could find something that works for them.

Lori

>

> I don't know if you'd consider PA " rare " , but

> certainly isn't common. Here's some data I included in

> my journal post

> ( http://www.livejournal.com/users/astein142/ )

> a few weeks ago:

>

> " According to the Psoriasis Foundation, Psoriasis

> affects about 4.5 million people in the U.S., about 3%

> of the population in general. About 23% of people with

> psoriasis also have psoriatic arthritis. About 5% of

> people with psoriatic arthritis have involvement of

> the spine. "

>

> If I'm doing the math right, then that gives us just

> over 1 million people in the U.S. with (diagnosed) PA,

> and about 51,750 of them have PA in the spine.

>

> It took me 20 years to get a diagnosis, including

> visits to at least 4 different rheumys, 2 different

> dermatologies, a neurologist, and countless GPs over

> that span of time. Since my rheumatoid factor tests

> were always negative, they didn't seem too concerned

> about the symptoms and pain.

>

> Sorry to hear your GP was an inexperienced

> whippersnapper. It takes a few years to break in new

> ones just right. ;)

>

> --

>

> =====

> --------------------------

> Stein

> www.noblefusion.com/astein

>

> If you're tired of fighting battles with yourself

> If you want to be somebody else

> Change your mind...

> -- Sister Hazel

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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You should have waited for the waiting room to be extra crowded and

then really let her have it. That is horrible ! My doctor missed

my diagnosis for years BUT........she was always extremely sensitive

and caring. These doctors are human and they won't always get the

diagnosis right. I can CAUTIOUSLY except that. We're the idiots

who stay b/c she's " so nice " ...buyer beware I guess. Snippy eye

rolling, that's a deal breaker...I'd drop her and her entire

practice...making sure that the older doctors are aware of why.

>

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I went to my GP yesterday for a checkup to be able to have my

total

> hip replacement next month. When I was in there I thought I would

> get my anger off my chest since she wasn't able to diagnose my PA

and

> said it was gout two years ago...so I went through months of pain

> while my finger I can no longer bend; thank God my husband's

> insurance let me get a Rheumy on my own and he couldn't believe

how

> bad I was...after months it had gone from my fingers to my toes,

hip,

> spine, jaw. Anyhow she, the GP said the reason she wasn't able to

> diagnose PA was because it is rare condition!! She said she had

> never seen it and didn't think any GP in her group had seen it!!

I

> have a hard time believing this-just during my husband's family

> reunion this summer two of his relatives had it. I told her my

> Rheumy was only in the exam room for less than ten minutes when he

> told me what I had...she said it was because he specializes in it

so

> he would know what to look for. I am still angry at her and it

did

> feel good getting some of this off my chest. She is right out of

> med. school and is a pretty little blonde thing and acts so

superior

> to me-even one time I " caught " her rolling her eyes at her nurse

when

> I was telling her about the different areas that hurt...maybe if

she

> would have listened she would have gotten the diagnosis right. I

> just feel that Drs. should be accounted for their actions. Thanks

> for listening.

>

> God Bless, Sue in Michigan.

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Congratulations Lori. That is wonderful news.

>

>

> I think time will prove the numbers of psoriatic arthritics with

> spine involvement are greater than that. The problem comes with

> getting a diagnoses. (it's just hard for me to believe I am 1 in

> only 50,000 or so people that have this.) I was diagnosed with PA

> long ago, but one doctor said I couldn't possibly have spine

> involvement because it was so rare and usually happened to males. X-

> rays proved otherwise, unfortunately.

> I've been on MTX 16 years and that helped quite a bit to slow the

> progress of bone damage. Now I'm on enbrel and MTX and it's a good

> combination. My neck has shown the biggest improvement though I

> still have my days. My hands have shown the least improvement and

I

> have no idea why. As far as the psoriasis, I was 45% involved

while

> on MTX alone, and now I fluctuate with between about 2 and 10%, so

> that is a slice of heaven. I've only been on it since March, and I

> always get scared it will stop working and I will be like

Cinderella

> at midnight.

>

> I do believe it's caused more weight gain for me but mostly from

> increased appetite which is probably from just feeling well. I keep

> trying to eat less and exercise more to offset it, so far to no

avail.

> BUT BELIEVE ME, I'M NOT COMPLAINING, I feel so much better.

>

> I joined water aerobics at my gym and I don't feel embarrassed

> because of my skin. I was thinking how wonderful it was to feel

like

> a 'normal' human being without all the awful stares and wondering

> when they might kick me out of the pool or more likely when I just

> would not go anymore because of the constant feeling of being a

leper

> and making people scared or disgusted. It's very tiring trying to

> rise above it.

>

> I wish everyone could find something that works for them.

>

> Lori

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Hi,

You are so right!! I wish I would have let everyone know in the

waiting room...I really feel sorry for anyone that still goes to

her. My husband said if I keep changing Drs. that there won't be any

left for me to go to...sometimes he can be so insensitive. I put my

hands in his face and asked him at the age we are (43)if he would

like his hands to look like mine (not to mention other joints that

are affected) and if he would like no one to do anything for years

and say it is gout-have no pain meds or anything that will help. I

left him speechless. Thanks for writing.

God Bless, Sue.

In , " wodell3320 "

<wodell3320@y...> wrote:

>

>

> You should have waited for the waiting room to be extra crowded and

> then really let her have it. That is horrible ! My doctor missed

> my diagnosis for years BUT........she was always extremely

sensitive

> and caring. These doctors are human and they won't always get the

> diagnosis right. I can CAUTIOUSLY except that. We're the idiots

> who stay b/c she's " so nice " ...buyer beware I guess. Snippy eye

> rolling, that's a deal breaker...I'd drop her and her entire

> practice...making sure that the older doctors are aware of why.

>

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I have a question about the biologics...I've heard people talk about being

on both MTX AND a biologic of some kind to help halt the progression and

destruction...I haven't been given a biologic yet, near as I can

figure....I'm on MTX, folic acid and Naproxyn.

when is this usually done?

how soon after diagnosis should a biologic be given?

Are they only given in extreme cases?

Are they only for special cases?

Curious...wondering if I need one or not?

Crystal

>From: " cornth1313 " <cornth1313@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Re: Is PA rare?

>Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:24:16 -0000

>

>

>

>I think time will prove the numbers of psoriatic arthritics with

>spine involvement are greater than that. The problem comes with

>getting a diagnoses. (it's just hard for me to believe I am 1 in

>only 50,000 or so people that have this.) I was diagnosed with PA

>long ago, but one doctor said I couldn't possibly have spine

>involvement because it was so rare and usually happened to males. X-

>rays proved otherwise, unfortunately.

>I've been on MTX 16 years and that helped quite a bit to slow the

>progress of bone damage. Now I'm on enbrel and MTX and it's a good

>combination. My neck has shown the biggest improvement though I

>still have my days. My hands have shown the least improvement and I

>have no idea why. As far as the psoriasis, I was 45% involved while

>on MTX alone, and now I fluctuate with between about 2 and 10%, so

>that is a slice of heaven. I've only been on it since March, and I

>always get scared it will stop working and I will be like Cinderella

>at midnight.

>

>I do believe it's caused more weight gain for me but mostly from

>increased appetite which is probably from just feeling well. I keep

>trying to eat less and exercise more to offset it, so far to no avail.

>BUT BELIEVE ME, I'M NOT COMPLAINING, I feel so much better.

>

>I joined water aerobics at my gym and I don't feel embarrassed

>because of my skin. I was thinking how wonderful it was to feel like

>a 'normal' human being without all the awful stares and wondering

>when they might kick me out of the pool or more likely when I just

>would not go anymore because of the constant feeling of being a leper

>and making people scared or disgusted. It's very tiring trying to

>rise above it.

>

>I wish everyone could find something that works for them.

>

>Lori

>

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Hi chystal,

i'll add my two bits worth on this subject - not because i am totally

knowledgeable, but because we're both wonderful canucks and our

health care system works differently here in canada than in the

states.

the biologics are exhorbitantly expensive. how my rheumy explained

it to me is that bc med wants us to try all other non-biologic DMARDS

(disease modifying anti-rheumatic drugs) and only after all else

fails, go onto the biologics. there is a second factor in play here,

it might - and i stress the word 'might' - now be an accepted drug

for pa but if it is (i just can't quite remember if he told me or

not) it is only recently been an added drug for pa. patients with ra

do qualify however for at least enbrel - i'm not sure about the

others (humira, remicade, etc.). with respect to being on both mtx

and a biologic, i think the chance of success is greater. i know for

myself my rheumy told me about 6 months ago that if things didn't

start helping soon he would say i had ra and try to get me approved

for enbrel, and would keep me on mtx and (i think) plaquenil as

well. (i have a slightly positive ra factor in my blood so he thinks

he can get away with saying this - also said i might actually have ra

as well though my diagnosis was pa because of my psoriasis).

hope this helps. and i hope others with knowledge about the drugs

and the scientific reasoning behind it will also answer. as i said,

i put my two bits worth in because both chrystal and i are from

vancouver so will be fighting the same red-tape demons when and if

the time comes for us to go on the 'big ones'! :)

karen

>

> I have a question about the biologics...I've heard people talk

about being

> on both MTX AND a biologic of some kind to help halt the

progression and

> destruction...I haven't been given a biologic yet, near as I can

> figure....I'm on MTX, folic acid and Naproxyn.

>

> when is this usually done?

> how soon after diagnosis should a biologic be given?

> Are they only given in extreme cases?

> Are they only for special cases?

>

> Curious...wondering if I need one or not?

>

> Crystal

>

>

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Hi Crystl,

Unfortunately, most insurance companies require you to " fail " on all the less

expensive

treatments before they will pay for any of the biologics. I have just started

on Enbrel since

I didn't respond well enough to mtx- either oral or injections. My Dr. started

me on the

mtx injections to satisfy the insurance co and to get me over my fear of

injecting myself. I

have only been on Enbrel (a biologic) for 2 1/2 weeks. I haven't really seen

any benefit yet

but I have my fingers crossed. The billed price for a month on Enbrel with my

maiil order

insurance co pharmacy is $1,222.22. I pay 10% of that sinceit is considered

under myb

medical rather than prescription plan.

I am also still on mxt because the combo is supposed to work best. Tuesday is

shot day.

Jerre

>

> I have a question about the biologics...I've heard people talk about being

> on both MTX AND a biologic of some kind to help halt the progression and

> destruction...I haven't been given a biologic yet, near as I can

> figure....I'm on MTX, folic acid and Naproxyn.

>

> when is this usually done?

> how soon after diagnosis should a biologic be given?

> Are they only given in extreme cases?

> Are they only for special cases?

>

> Curious...wondering if I need one or not?

>

> Crystal

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Boy, it is amazing how far one falls behind if not on the computer for a couple

of days!!

And what an interesting weekend we all had...

A comment on the biologics that Crystal asked about...

I was on Remicade for about 6 months ~ and from the time I started (combined

with methotrexate), it kicked right in and took care of the flare for me. I was

lucky, I am able to afford the medicine and I told them I wanted the most

aggressive treatment possible ~ since they all say, the best way to treat the

disease is aggressively. I've said this before, but it is simply ridiculous that

the insurance companies can control treatment ~ especially since in the long

run, the biologics might be cheaper if they can help some people into remission

(and off the drugs)...

I have been off all medications (and doing acupunture) since late summer. Of

course, these medications do stay in your system for awhile, but by now I figure

I am pretty medication free. Knock on wood (cross my fingers, throw salt over

my shoulder...) I seem to be doing okay and am in remission for now. Not

completely pain free, but managable with an Alieve now and then...

Warm Good Wishes,

(Idaho)

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