Atkins

March 24, 2003

I have personally heard nothing about -- but am interested if anybody would post

some information -- but I do know that it is a High Protein Diet where you can

eat such meat as steak I just heard....

But I was just recently diagnosed....

Charmaine

Ok,..I am getting ready to try the Atkins diet and I was wondering if anyone

on the list has tried it.I have a friend who has already lost 17lbs in two

weeks.Ofcourse my friend is male and we all know that men lose weight faster

than women but he really likes

it.Anyone?Thanks,Deneen:)

March 24, 2003

Here are a couple of links that I found on Atkins Diet...

http://www.atkins-diet-information.com/

http://atkinscenter.com/food/

Ok,..I am getting ready to try the Atkins diet and I was wondering if anyone

on the list has tried it.I have a friend who has already lost 17lbs in two

weeks.Ofcourse my friend is male and we all know that men lose weight faster

than women but he really likes

it.Anyone?Thanks,Deneen:)

March 24, 2003

I've been on Atkins, with a lot of cheating, since the beginning of

February. I started at 248 and am now down to 222. It works! There

are many websites that give you sample recipes and menus to help you

start out. www.atkinsdiet.com <http://www.atkinsdiet.com/> has some

great info. You just need to make sure you read one of Dr. Atkins books

before you start. People who have problems with the diet usually try to

do it without reading the book. My husband also lost the same amount of

weight and his blood pressure is down, his gout hasn't flared up even

when eating spinach! I'm getting ready to buckle down and quit

cheating, start exercising. I can't wait to see how fast I'll lose

then!

Atkins

Ok,..I am getting ready to try the Atkins diet and I was wondering if

anyone on the list has tried it.I have a friend who has already lost

17lbs in two weeks.Ofcourse my friend is male and we all know that men

lose weight faster than women but he really likes

it.Anyone?Thanks,Deneen:)

March 24, 2003

Thanks for posting this....

Charmaine

I've been on Atkins, with a lot of cheating, since the beginning of

February. I started at 248 and am now down to 222. It works! There

are many websites that give you sample recipes and menus to help you

start out. www.atkinsdiet.com <http://www.atkinsdiet.com/> has some

great info. You just need to make sure you read one of Dr. Atkins books

before you start. People who have problems with the diet usually try to

do it without reading the book. My husband also lost the same amount of

weight and his blood pressure is down, his gout hasn't flared up even

when eating spinach! I'm getting ready to buckle down and quit

cheating, start exercising. I can't wait to see how fast I'll lose

then!

March 25, 2003

Thanks !!! I have the new revised Atkins book and I am going to

start in the next couple of days.I am so glad to hear something positive

about a weight loss program.Thanks again!!Deneen:)

March 25, 2003

Deneen, how about posting some sample diets from the Atkins book?

Thanks so much and I am certain that members of this group will appreciate it.

Charmaine

Thanks !!! I have the new revised Atkins book and I am going to start

in the next couple of days.I am so glad to hear something positive about a

weight loss program.Thanks again!!Deneen:)

March 25, 2003

You can go to www.atkinsdiet.com <http://www.atkinsdiet.com/> and get

all the info you could possibly need. Like I said before, everyone

should really read the book before starting or they might not do it

correctly. Those are usually the people who end up with kidney problems

or other problems that usually occur when people don't follow the diet

correctly. You can usually get one of the books at the library. The

older versions are just as helpful and you can get those at half.com for

almost nothing.

Re: Atkins

Deneen, how about posting some sample diets from the Atkins book?

Thanks so much and I am certain that members of this group will

appreciate it.

Charmaine

Thanks !!! I have the new revised Atkins book and I am going

to start in the next couple of days.I am so glad to hear something

positive about a weight loss program.Thanks again!!Deneen:)

March 26, 2003

Charmaine,

I agree with ,you really need to read the Atkins book and get a

good idea of the program.It is basically a low carb,high fat diet.No

sugar products.I have read and seen from other people great results with

this diet.I spoke with my Dr. yesterday before starting this diet and he

said he could not " officially " endorse the diet ,he said it really was a

great diet for thyroid sufferers.SO,...here I go!! I will keep everyone

posted on my progress.Charmaine,..I bought my book off ebay very

inexpensive so you may want to look there and go to the site that

sent of the Atkins site.

Deneen:)

August 18, 2003

Hmmmmmm, where's the science? This seems to be just opinions, with no

clinical studies or impirical data to back it up.

Barbara, Atkins for Life

G. Santee wrote:

>http://www.thedietchannel.com/atkins.htm

>

>Heres another link...........

>

August 19, 2003

Hi everyone! For those who are on, want to try, etc., the Atkins Diet, I

am on my sixth day, now. I actually had to eat more carbs yesterday cos I

was losing too fast (what a problem, huh!?!). Since some of our meds can

affect how we lose and many of us can't exercise like we would like to, I

was wondering if there is any interest in starting a new list for those

with immune disorders who are interested in Atkins. We could call it

Atkins Flakes or something like that LOL. It proabably wouldn't be a large

list, but enough for us to share info and support each other and not crowd

the PA list and innundate those who are not interested in this. Please

email me through the list or at joliedel@... and let me know if you

are interested in an Atkins List.

Thanks!

Jo

August 19, 2003

, I'm not " endorsing " this diet to anyone. I was only correcting

misinformation about the plan, not applying it to any one disease or

condition, or anyONE, for that matter. Everyone should do the research

and find the plan that works for them--I never said different. BUT, I do

know that lots of people with hypothyroidism and diabetes do extremely

well on low carb diets. You can't make a blanket statement like " That

diet is for people with " normal " -- WE are not the norm-- " [sic]. By your

definition, I'm not normal because I have hypothyroidism (and I don't

disagree with that), yet this diet worked for me! What I've tried to get

across is that low carb diets are good plans, and the research is

proving it out, whether you, or anyone else for that matter, believes it

or not. The science is there, if you choose to look at it. No plan will

work for everyone, obviously, but just because you don't agree with it

doesn't mean it's bad, and the number of people that have been on it

successfully for years certainly disproves your assertion that it's

" unrealistic, " especially since I'm assuming you've never tried it. (You

are absolutely correct: it is possible to convince ourselves of

something if we try hard enough--see, it works both ways )

And actually, it's NOT a diet for short term weight loss to get into a

dress--it's for better long-term health. That's why I do it. I only had

15 pounds to loose, but my blood lipids were too high and my doctor was

making noises about starting me on cholesterol-lowering drug. Since I

knew I was not going to go there, I looked for dietary means of getting

it down. I easily lost the weight, and that was a bonus. What is more

wonderful is that now my triglycerides are 45 and my HDL is 88! My

ratios are excellent! I agree that a healthy diet, exercise, water, and

sleep are a good plan; that's exactly what I do: low carb eating, 1 1/2

hours of exercise daily, plenty of water, and get enough sleep. My lab

work and my physicals show I'm doing something right.

Dr. Atkins himself said, in one of his books, that people with thyroid

disease need to take in 50 grams of carbs daily for proper thyroid

function, so yes, I'm familiar with his position on that issue. And, as

for being in an argumentative mood and am not usually like this, well,

since yesterday was the first time I'd ever posted on this list (I've

been lurking and learning a lot!), I'm not sure how you came to that

conclusion I'm NOT usually argumentative, and I'm still NOT being

argumentative. I'm still merely trying to set the record straight!

Nothing wrong with that, is it? We don't want to spread misinformation,

do we? BTW, I think it's really hard to call Atkins a " fad " diet, since

it's been around since the early 70s ;-) It does, however, seem to enjoy

cycles of popularity.

Barbara, Atkins for Life

G. Santee wrote:

>Barbara--if you go to the index of the book for Atkins

>go to hypothyroidism and diabetes--and to those

>pages--you will see that if you DON'T lose weight you

>probably have one of those diseases...but it doesn't

> " endorce " doing the diet if you have them.....you must

>be in a argumentive mood because you are never usually

>like this.........

>That diet is for people with " normal " -- WE are not the

>norm--

>Bottom line is

> Eat healthy-excercise-drink fluids-sleep

>

>No fad diet is going to change that. But we can

>convince ourselves different if we try hard enough. I

>want LONG TERM success.....and not short term. If I

>wanted to lose weight to fit in a dress by next month

>that would be a good diet...but its unrealistic--- For

>me.

>

August 19, 2003

,

I absolutely DISAGREE with you.I have been on the Atkins diet and I have

had severe hypothyroidism.I have lost 45lbs so far and I feel so much

better.In the book it does state that if you do not loose weight to

check for thyroid problems,BUT it also states that once you receive the

PROPER meds for thyroid that you will lose weight.That is the case with

me.If you do not take the needed vitamins while on the diet,it will make

you feel punky but only because most people don't eat enough red meat

for iron.Iron is very important on the Atkins diet.What works for one

may not work for all but unless you have tried it and know for yourself

it is hard to judge for someone else.

Deneen:)

August 19, 2003

Hi Jo: Thanks for the Atkins plug -- I've been on a low carbohydrate/low

fat/protein diet and have successfully lost 54 lbs. over a year (on Atkins I

hear one loses weight more quickly).

Just a cautious note--let your doctor know that you are on Atkins, so the

doc. doesn't freak out when he/she reads your blood/urine tests. You

probably know this. . .but I can't resist sharing. . .high protein diets

increase the amount of ketones in urine and blood. It's the loss

of ketone reaction in the body that causes the weight loss as the body

consumes the fat already stored in the body. If anyone is having kidney

problems do not go on this type of diet as it can affect kidney function.

Hair loss can be a problem--it was for me when I was not eating enough

carbohydrates on my diet with folate in them (i.e., whole grains) and the

combination of MTX can contribute to lots of hair loss. I had one physician

say I should never go on a high protein diet; however, I now think it was

one of the best decisions I've made. I have greater mobility and greater

self esteem. There's nothing quite like being fat, flakey and full'o'pain.

.. .been there, done that!!!

Now if there was only the " guaranteed to get rid of your sweet tooth diet "

or a pill that could do that, I'd have no weight problems. . . wait, did I

hear some body say " chocolate " . . .aaaaaaaah. . .it keeps calling me.

Later gaters!

Sally from Grass Valley

[ ] Atkins

> Hi everyone! For those who are on, want to try, etc., the Atkins Diet, I

> am on my sixth day, now. I actually had to eat more carbs yesterday cos I

> was losing too fast (what a problem, huh!?!). Since some of our meds can

> affect how we lose and many of us can't exercise like we would like to, I

> was wondering if there is any interest in starting a new list for those

> with immune disorders who are interested in Atkins. We could call it

> Atkins Flakes or something like that LOL. It proabably wouldn't be a

large

> list, but enough for us to share info and support each other and not crowd

> the PA list and innundate those who are not interested in this. Please

> email me through the list or at joliedel@... and let me know if you

> are interested in an Atkins List.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jo

>

> Please visit our Psoriatic Arthritis Group's informational web page at:

> http://www.wpunj.edu/pa/ -- created and edited by list member

aka(raharris@...).

>

> Also,in August 2001,list member Jack aka Cornishpro@... began

to conduct extensive research which he publishes as the " Psoriatic Arthritis

Research Newsletter " , monthly in our email and digest format. Many thanks to

Jack. Back issues of the newsletter are stored on our PA webpage as well as

the archives of the list.

>

> Don't forget that the list archives comprise a tremendous amount of

information (Over three years of messages and answers).Feel free to browse

them at your convenience.

>

> LET'S HEAR FROM SOME OF YOU LURKERS out there! If you have a comment or

question, chances are there is a person who has been around a while who can

help you out with AT LEAST an educated guess for an answer! If not,we can

steer you in the right direction with a good website to go to,

>

> Blessings and Peace,

>

> Atwood-Stack, Founder

> Alan , Web & List Editor

> Jack , Newsletter Editor

> Pat Bias, List Editor

> Ron Dotson, List Editor

> Orin, List Editor

> , List Editor

> and any others who help in any way (thank you!)

>

August 19, 2003

Another possible benifet to the Atkins Diet--I know several ppl with RA and

PA whose arthritis is irritated by too many carbs!! Avoiding too many carbs

helped immensly!

>From: Jo Liedel <Joliedel@...>

>Reply-

>psoriatic arthritis

>Subject: [ ] Atkins

>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:22:59 -0500

>

>Hi everyone! For those who are on, want to try, etc., the Atkins Diet, I

>am on my sixth day, now. I actually had to eat more carbs yesterday cos I

>was losing too fast (what a problem, huh!?!). Since some of our meds can

>affect how we lose and many of us can't exercise like we would like to, I

>was wondering if there is any interest in starting a new list for those

>with immune disorders who are interested in Atkins. We could call it

>Atkins Flakes or something like that LOL. It proabably wouldn't be a large

>list, but enough for us to share info and support each other and not crowd

>the PA list and innundate those who are not interested in this. Please

>email me through the list or at joliedel@... and let me know if you

>are interested in an Atkins List.

>

>Thanks!

>

>Jo

>

>Please visit our Psoriatic Arthritis Group's informational web page at:

>http://www.wpunj.edu/pa/ -- created and edited by list member

>aka(raharris@...).

>

>Also,in August 2001,list member Jack aka Cornishpro@... began

>to conduct extensive research which he publishes as the " Psoriatic

>Arthritis Research Newsletter " , monthly in our email and digest format.

>Many thanks to Jack. Back issues of the newsletter are stored on our PA

>webpage as well as the archives of the list.

>

>Don't forget that the list archives comprise a tremendous amount of

>information (Over three years of messages and answers).Feel free to browse

>them at your convenience.

>

>LET'S HEAR FROM SOME OF YOU LURKERS out there! If you have a comment or

>question, chances are there is a person who has been around a while who can

>help you out with AT LEAST an educated guess for an answer! If not,we can

>steer you in the right direction with a good website to go to,

>

>Blessings and Peace,

>

> Atwood-Stack, Founder

> Alan , Web & List Editor

>Jack , Newsletter Editor

>Pat Bias, List Editor

>Ron Dotson, List Editor

>Orin, List Editor

>, List Editor

>and any others who help in any way (thank you!)

>

October 6, 2003

Sally & All, Chocoholics can get chocolate high without the carbs -

use cocoa powder and artifical sweetener. FOr cocoa add to milk. Add

it to other things allowed - say yogurt (and then freeze it). Diet

modification can include recipe modification. And remember, folate is

added to many cereal prodicts by law in the USA so we have to replace

that source with OTC vitamin supplication - straight Folic Acid is

available widely.

Sending chocolate hugs, JudiRose

> Hi Jo: Thanks for the Atkins plug -- I've been on a low

carbohydrate/low

> fat/protein diet and have successfully lost 54 lbs. over a year (on

Atkins I

> hear one loses weight more quickly).

>

> Just a cautious note--let your doctor know that you are on Atkins,

so the

> doc. doesn't freak out when he/she reads your blood/urine tests.

You

> probably know this. . .but I can't resist sharing. . .high protein

diets

> increase the amount of ketones in urine and blood. It's the loss

> of ketone reaction in the body that causes the weight loss as the

body

> consumes the fat already stored in the body. If anyone is having

kidney

> problems do not go on this type of diet as it can affect kidney

function.

> Hair loss can be a problem--it was for me when I was not eating

enough

> carbohydrates on my diet with folate in them (i.e., whole grains)

and the

> combination of MTX can contribute to lots of hair loss. I had one

physician

> say I should never go on a high protein diet; however, I now think

it was

> one of the best decisions I've made. I have greater mobility and

greater

> self esteem. There's nothing quite like being fat, flakey and

full'o'pain.

> . .been there, done that!!!

>

> Now if there was only the " guaranteed to get rid of your sweet

tooth diet "

> or a pill that could do that, I'd have no weight problems. . .

wait, did I

> hear some body say " chocolate " . . .aaaaaaaah. . .it keeps calling

me.

>

> Later gaters!

>

> Sally from Grass Valley

>

> [ ] Atkins

>

> > Hi everyone! For those who are on, want to try, etc., the Atkins

Diet, I

> > am on my sixth day, now. I actually had to eat more carbs

yesterday cos I

> > was losing too fast (what a problem, huh!?!). Since some of our

meds can

> > affect how we lose and many of us can't exercise like we would

like to, I

> > was wondering if there is any interest in starting a new list for

those

> > with immune disorders who are interested in Atkins. We could

call it

> > Atkins Flakes or something like that LOL. It proabably wouldn't

be a

> large

> > list, but enough for us to share info and support each other and

not crowd

> > the PA list and innundate those who are not interested in this.

Please

> > email me through the list or at joliedel@y... and let me know if

you

> > are interested in an Atkins List.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > Please visit our Psoriatic Arthritis Group's informational web

page at:

> > http://www.wpunj.edu/pa/ -- created and edited by list member

> aka(raharris@y...).

> >

> > Also,in August 2001,list member Jack aka Cornishpro@a...

began

> to conduct extensive research which he publishes as the " Psoriatic

Arthritis

> Research Newsletter " , monthly in our email and digest format. Many

thanks to

> Jack. Back issues of the newsletter are stored on our PA webpage as

well as

> the archives of the list.

> >

> > Don't forget that the list archives comprise a tremendous amount

of

> information (Over three years of messages and answers).Feel free to

browse

> them at your convenience.

> >

> > LET'S HEAR FROM SOME OF YOU LURKERS out there! If you have a

comment or

> question, chances are there is a person who has been around a while

who can

> help you out with AT LEAST an educated guess for an answer! If

not,we can

> steer you in the right direction with a good website to go to,

> >

> > Blessings and Peace,

> >

> > Atwood-Stack, Founder

> > Alan , Web & List Editor

> > Jack , Newsletter Editor

> > Pat Bias, List Editor

> > Ron Dotson, List Editor

> > Orin, List Editor

> > , List Editor

> > and any others who help in any way (thank you!)

> >

December 2, 2003

I think we are both agreeing just starting a different view points.

I would not support Atkins for a healthy individual who hasn't tried

a low cal plan. But as a current hypo sufferer, Atkins seems

superior because of the fat intake.

Low fat and hypo don't seem to mix well. In my case, Atkins didn't

cause they hypo, I had it first. Extreme starvation has been linked

to hypo though. It is rather difficult to qualify for starvation if

you have hypo because usually your metabolism just keeps dropping to

match the intake. I do not have much weigh to lose, so that's not

the factor here either. I think the key is you don't burn as many

carbs as well with our condition. It was the hypo sites that turned

me onto Atkins. I am just saying that with all this support and my

personal experience, perhaps this plan is better for hypo sufferers.

And, I would not support it if the other plans worked even close.

Because I have them down, and was quite content with the food

choices. But they simply didn't do the job. I get so frustrated

because no one understands the hypo symptoms and the Atkins plan

either. Perhaps once I die of heart disease I will be proven wrong.

December 2, 2003

Hi Cher, I'm very interested in eating the right diet. I have Hashimoto's

thyroiditis, and more than anything, I want to keep myself from getting another

autoimmune disorder. I know there's not a whole lot I can do, but I can try to

follow a good diet.

I have found a lot of different opinions from

different doctors about diet. All of them are diets

that are supposed to be good for people with

autoimmune disorders.

You know it's weird how doctors have such different

ideas about our treatment (some swear by Armour while

some hate the stuff). It's weird how they disagree

about what kind of diet we should be on too.

Confusing!

Anyway, you said " low fat and hypo don't seem to mix well. " Were you talking

about your experience or were you saying a low fat diet is not good in general

for most people with hypothyroidism?

In my opinion, there is not one diet out there that is right for everyone.

Different people need different diets based on all of their collective health

problems, their tastes, their enviroment, and their particular cultural and

religious beliefs.

While I do believe that the Adkin's diet is beneficial to many folks, including

my parents, many of my relatives, and many of you, I also agree with Tina that

the diet can cause problems for certain people. It did me and it has others.

I'm glad you found a diet that worked for you. It didn't work for me though. I

follow a plan very similar to Dr. Ridha Arem's.

Anyway, there are doctors who support a lower fat diet. Dr. Arem, among others,

is one. Here is some information I posted in another group awhile back:

Here's one person's thoughts on the subject...you have to go about half-way down

the page:

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/brownstein.htm

Here is Dr. Ridha Arem (from " The Thyroid

Solution " ) thoughts on autoimmune disorders and diet:

" A thyroid friendly diet should also be a diet

friendly to the immune system, one that is likely to

prevent or temper an autoimmune attack on the thyroid.

This same diet should control the risk factors that

can lead to brain damage and deterioration of

cognition. The only diet I've identified that will

give you all these benefits is:

*high in protein

*high in complex carbohydrates

*low in fat

*low in simple sugars (galactose or milk sugar;

fructose (fruit sugars).

Research has shown that a high-protein-low-fat diet

helps prevent the occurrence of autoimmune disease.

Such a diet also appears to slow down the rpogress of

autoimmune conditions. Eating too much fat will harm

your immune system and help precipitate an autoimmune

attack on seveal organs, which could include your

thyroid.. A high-protein, high-complex carbohydrate,

low-fat, and low-simple sugar diet helps you control

not only your weight but also your cholesterol and

blood pressure, to ensure your overall health. It

helps you prevent damage to your brain from poor blood

supply and strokes, too.

I embraced the concept of a low-simle sugar diet years

before the recent book " Sugar Busters " became a

bestseller, but now that this book is widely

available, I recommend that you use it as a good guide

for healthy eating. I became an advocate of a

low-simple sugar diet when I realized that many of my

patients were unable to lose weight unless they reduce

simple sugars in their diet. "

Here's an interesting one that says a deficiency of

boron can cause autoimmune problems & our diets need

more boron:

http://www.sciencenews.org/20010414/fob1.asp

Here's another diet that says it's good for autoimmune

disease AND yeast infections. Read the section

entitled " The Specific Carbohydrate Diet, " then click

on that to get more info.

http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/dietsmain.html

Here some more diet info:

I'm not saying one diet is right for everyone, but here's

> what Dr. & Karilee Shames say in " Thyroid Power " about a

> diet good for people with hypothyroidism:

>

> " Plan your diet to be nutrient-rich, hypoallergenic, high in

> protein, low in fat, high in complex carbohydrates, and low in

> simple sugars. The high-protein aspect, especially, helps prevent

> autoimmune flareups. "

>

> They go on to say,

> " In general, it is a good idea to lessen your intake of dietary fat.

> Not only is a lower fat diet beneficial for the thyroid, but it may

> help to prevent other chronic conditions as well. What this means is

> not eating fried foods and eating minimal amounts of red meat and

> dairy products. While we understand that this is a departure from

> the standard American diet, most recent research bears out the

> validity of eating in this manner. The less fat in your diet, the

> more weight you can lose with the same caloric intake. "

>

> " Since many people with thyroid disease have weight problems, it is

> helpful to general reduce empty calories (desserts and fatty snack

> foods), while increasing exercise. "

>

> There's a section a few pages later called " Good Fats, Bad Fats, "

> and here's what they say,

>

> " For your thyroid, add to your low-fat diet small amounts of high-

> quality oils, such as from fish, flaxseed, primrose, or borage. Oils

> provide concentrated energy to the body and help carry certain

> vitamins to tissues. There are good fats and bad fats, otherwise

> referred to as saturated and unsaturated fatty acids. Nutritionists

> generally advise their patients to substitute vegetable oils for

> animal fats, or to use unsaturated fats rather than saturated ones

> for cooking.

>

> Saturated fatty acids generally come from animal sources;

> unsaturated from plants. Plant oils contain monounsaturated fats,

> diunsaturated fats, and polyunsaturated fats, all in varying

> percentages, depending on the paricular plant source in question.

> The most favorable mix of these varying kinds of fatty acids is

> found in olive oil, which has a large amount of monounsaturated fats.

>

> The worst kinds of fats are the plant oils that have been

> hydrogenated (artificially staurated with hydrogen) so as to be more

> solid at room temperature. These so-called trans-fats are the basis

> of margarine and many oils used in fast food products, as well as

> most commerical peanut butters. They are absolutely to be avoided.

>

> Supplements containing specific fats can be pruchased as pills from

> local ehalth food or vitamin stores. They can provide you with the

> right essential fatty acids (EFAs) for optimal thyroid function and

> decreased autoimmune attacks. Two essential fatty acids must be

> consumed orally because they cannot be manufactured in our bodies:

> linoleic and linolenic. some researchers recommend 250-500

> milligrams daily of the omega-6 (linoleic) variety, also called GLA,

> and 500-1,000 milligrams of the omega-3 (linolenic) fatty acids,

> also known as EPA.

>

> One good source of both of these essential fatty acids is flaxseed

> oil, of which you can take two teaspoons daily. Even better would be

> to grind up two tablespoons of the whole flaxseeds (you can use a

> coffee bean grinder) and sprinkle immediately over cereal. Ground

> flaxseeds contain more nutrients than the oil, as well as increased

> fiber. "

>

> Anyway, just thought I'd pass this along. I'm using ground flaxseed

> sprinkled on my meals...trying to get healthier. We'll see...

Take care, Cher...Sheila

Cher <hary722001@...> wrote: