Responses Related to Stan Kurtz (me) and Antiviral Therapy

[Guest guest]

Hello and fellow parents and researchers of the group,

Someone passed me a post that had some inaccurate information about me and I

wanted

to clarify it. I hope you don't mind. This will just be a one-time

clarification.

Two Philosophies:

1.) I am a believer of just about any relatively safe therapy that helps our

kids. That

includes chelation when done properly. It's true that I didn't have to chelate

to recover my

son, but I have seen enough parent reports and greatly improved or recovered

kids to

know that this is a therapy that can help our kids. One of my son's good

friends is Baxter

Berle who recovered through chelation.

2.) We are not dealing with Autism, we are dealing with Autism(s) and there are

many ways

a child can come to autism and I believe we need to look at every child as an

individual

and every parent's perspective individually. The more we cast stones, the more

we divide

the community and we are certainly not each other's enemy.

3.) Some people believe that the only way that autism could have happened is via

toxins

dysregulating the child. I believe that for some (some) an infection was there

first and

may have made the child more susceptible and that part of the process of

recovery for

some children should include a consideration of anti-infectious treatment.

Response to yesterday's post:

Response 1.) About antiviral therapy, wrote: " Stan Kurtz has blown this

number

up to 66%, for kids who have recovered, yes he said that... "

No I didn't. Some have recovered, it's true, but I believe the 66% that is

being referred to

here relates to an Open Poll of listmates in our group who have reported their

child

improved (not recovered) through this therapy. There won't be a post or a video

of me

where I said 66% recovered... because I have never it.

Since it can be argued that poll data from a group that focuses on viral therapy

might be

biased I balance and round the data in my presentations by including statistical

quotes

about antivirals in the practices of both Jacquelyn McCandless and Jeff

Bradstreet.

Response 2.) About metals detox and viruses it was written: " Yasko and Stan

Kurtz have

said that if you solve the viral problem then the metals are excreted. I'm still

waiting for

the UTI's that prove this from Stan Kurtz and it's been almost 2 years now,

should have

heard something. "

I wouldn't use those words, but in my talks I have said that parents from my

group have

reported more metals coming out via urine toxic analysis with antivirals in

combination

with chelation compared to chelation alone. I have no reason to make something

up, I am

just publicizing parent reports. I have asked for lab tests and we have had

families submit

them to the group. After receiving the reports and talking to the families we

have

published them in the group and I have used some of them in my talks. At least

one

testimonial and set of lab tests are also on my site. Additionally, I have

heard from several

Defeat Autism Now! doctors who have said they observe the same thing. (for

those of you

who don't know, I am a parent, not a doctor)

We have also shot video of two cases locally of the " viral therapy rash " we

commonly see

(polls say approximately 30% of the time) having toxic levels of mercury vapor

coming out

of them (measured by a Jerome 431x) compared to control skin (in different areas

of the

skin on the same child and on the same area of a different child) which

typically has

almost none. I also recreated a similar rash on my chest by taking a mercury

containing

flu shot and the rash had toxic levels of mercury vapor coming out of it. This

was also

captured on video.

[We do not have any parents that I am aware of who have taken urine before and

during

antiviral therapy (without chelating) but it we can suggest it and see what

happens.]

From a science perspective these are just anecdotes and experiments and that's

how I

carefully talk about them. There are no antiviral/metals detox studies out

there right now

but I continue to find the observation interesting and if you look at how

infections can

disregulate glutathione and other parts of methylation metabolism it may end up

explaining some things about how some (some) kids may have been more susceptible

to

metals in the first place.

[Let's not try to say this means I'm saying children who do antivirals do not

have to chelate.

I think every child should be considered an individual and to let the parents,

doctors,

testing and trials determine what is best for each child.]

In the scientific literature there are mouse studies that show that metals are

more likely to

be distributed to the brain and gut in the presence of viral infection (PMID:

1736412, 839072)

The Journal of Environmental Research published " Tissue uptake of mercury is

changed

during the course of a common viral infection in mice " and further stated " An

infection-

induced increase of Hg in the brain " (PMID: 17888900)

Uppsala University Hospital in Sweden conducted a study that found, " Iron and

copper

accumulation in the brain of coxsackievirus-infected mice exposed to cadmium

(PMID:

16616136)

In general, I see viruses' (and other infections, but I will stick to viruses

for this discussion)

ability to disregulatie a child's ability to protect against toxins as common

ground for our

philosophies rather than either of our philosophies and modalities being

mutually

exclusive.

Response 3) About Chelation vs. Antiviral therapy: it was written: " However,

sooner or

later, you have to chelate, and since chelation takes a lot longer than the 6-9

months they

spend on an antiviral and is easier done the younger they are, it makes more

sense to start

with chelation. "

I really don't want anyone to think that people who advocate for consideration

for antiviral

therapy are anti-chelation, or that you can't chelate if you use antivirals.

Lastly, antiviral therapy and chelation have something in common. If you do

them

properly with the appropriate methods for the appropriate child they can be

beneficial and

they do not typically cause yeast issues.

I have also attached some viral/autism publications herewithly.

This email is soley intended as a clarification. I apologize to anyone that may

have

offended with this information.

If there is a further response to this, please feel free to email me directly.

I do not

consistently read group posts.

My best to all of you on your journey.

- Stan Kurtz

stankurtz@...

In 2005 the Synapse Journal and in 2007 The Cerebellum Journal published,

" Schizophrenia and autism are neurodevelopmental diseases that have genetic as

well as

environmental etiologies. Both disorders have been associated with prenatal

viral

infection. " (PMID: 17853098, 15906383)

In 2007, the Neuroscience Journal reported, " a large subset of ASD patients

shows

evidence of bacterial and/or viral infections " (PMID 17265454).

University of Michigan Medical Center reported, " we describe an 11-year-old

Asian

youngster who developed the symptoms of autism following an episode of herpes

encephalitis…This case further supports the role of environmental factors, such

as

infections, in the etiology of autism " (PMID: 12369775)

The Journal of Developmental Medicine and Child Neurology published, " …a

previously

healthy man who contracted herpes encephalitis at the age of 31 years, and over

the

following months developed all the symptoms considered diagnostic of autism. "

(PMID:

1743418)

The Journal of Autism Spectrum Disorders published, " Onset at age 14 of a

typical autistic

syndrome. A case report of a girl with herpes simplex encephalitis. " (PMID:

3558293)

The Journal of Neurology published " Acquired reversible autistic syndrome in

acute

encephalopathic illness in children " citing a case of a child with herpes.

(PMID: 6162440)

Scientists from Columbia University published, " Here we review the evidence that

infectious and immune factors may contribute to the pathogenesis of

neurodevelopmental

disorders " (PMID: 14521191)

In 1991, the Canadian Journal of Psychiatry published, " Herpes simplex

encephalitis

sometimes results in signs of autism. The virus has a predilection to attack

specific areas

of the brain, which provides information on the probable underlying neurological

dysfunction in autism. " (PMID: 1773407)

In 2001, Medical Hypotheses published, " For at least some autism-spectrum

children, the

link between intestinal pathology, attention, and language may derive from

shared

neuroanatomic pathways within the anterior insular cortex (aIC); from a

neurotrophic virus

such as herpes simplex (HSV) migrating within afferents to the insular cortex;

and/or from

synaptic exhaustion in the aIC as induced by chronically inappropriate neuronal

activity in

the enteric nervous system and/or its vagal efferents. " (PMID: 11918432)

-- In , " " <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

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> Why would you not work on virals? A lot of folks have recovered kids

> just from doing that from what I'm reading now.

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> ====>This recovery with antivirals is highly inflated and has been overblown

by a few

people's reports, but I'm noticing they are eventually chelating or just

learning to live with

things like word retrieval problems and IEP's for school, etc.

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> Dr. McCandless noted that Valtrex appeared to help about 30% of kids, but

she never

claimed any but one recovered to any degree with just antivirals and always

recommmended chelation for lasting recovery. Stan Kurtz has blown this number up

to

66%, for kids who have recovered, yes he said that, but I can't find anywhere

near this

number that Valtrex or some other antiviral was helpful for and again, no

complete

recoveries.

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> Yasko and Stan Kurtz have said that if you solve the viral problem then the

metals are

excreted. I'm still waiting for the UTI's that prove this from Stan Kurtz and

it's been almost

2 years now, should have heard something. And I know of no child who is fully

recovered

from Yasko without continuuing to take 100 different supplements a day.

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> Certainly working on the immune system is helpful but people who go the

viral route

alone are uncomfortable with chelation (like I was in the beginning) or people

who don't

want to get up in the middle of the night.

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> However, sooner or later, you have to chelate, and since chelation takes a

lot longer

than the 6-9 months they spend on an antiviral and is easier done the younger

they are, it

makes more sense to start with chelation. Then if you aren't going as fast as

you like, or

you like more drama, you can add in antivirals.

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> > > > > > Although I'm not a ph d medical dr, I'd doubt seriously if

> > NCD

> > > > can cause a lasting

> > > > > regression.

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> > > > > PhD's aren;'t medical doctors. MD's are medical doctors.

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> > > > > I have not heard a lot of negatives about NCD yet. A few,

> not

> > > > many. Seems to be

> > > > > relatively benign. Just doesn't chelate anything.

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> > > > > > You might want to do a hair test to see if metals are part

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> > > > your son's problem.

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> > > > > > Some people don't tackle viruses right off the bat as

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> > > you

> > > > get some chelation

> > > > > rounds under your belt, virus treatment can be tricky.

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> > > > > > > My 30lb 2yo had 1 drop of zeolites mixed in with his

> > other

> > > > supps

> > > > > > > 1x/day for about a week back in Aug. He was very

> spacey

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> > > > > > regressed,

> > > > > > > becoming very autistic during that time. He has not

> > > > recovered much

> > > > > > > at all since.

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> > > > > Why are you blaming the NCD instead of the other supplements?

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> > > > > Andy

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