Re: OT: Viral remedies for a toddler

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have a form of cystic fibrosis, so I am supposed to be chronically ill

with respiratory problems. I have gotten off 8 prescription drugs and my

health continues to improve. For me, I have found that washing all

curtains, throw rugs, and bedding and cleaning any upholstered furniture in

the house can be key to breaking the cycle of chronic respiratory

infections. I have seen it work not only for me but for other relatives --

even relatives I was visiting. I began washing throw rugs at my mother's

home to protect my health and after all the rugs were done, her third round

of antibiotics suddenly worked. She thinks she finally got the right drug.

But not only did her infection clear up, but the cough and sniffles that

everyone else there had also dramatically improved. So if it were me, I

would start there.

For viral infections, yes, I take OLE and some other things. I also watch

my ph balance: http://www.healthgazelle.org/ph.shtml

For a child who won't take things orally very well, I have found poultice

can be really useful: http://www.healthgazelle.org/poultice.shtml If you

have a nebulizer, some folks have found that a xylitol-saline solution

nebulized into the lungs can break the hold of bronchitis:

http://www.healthgazelle.org/nebulizedsolution.shtml It has certainly kept

me out of the ER many times.

I have also recently been doing lots of hot and cold treatment on myself.

It's hard to do with a toddler because they get overheated so easily, but it

is possible to do an extra warm bath and then wrap them in a big warm

blanket and ask them to sit still and watch cartoons for about 15 to 20

minutes. Make sure they get plenty to drink BEFORE you do that to avoid

dehydration and then give them more to drink afterwards. Also, a banana or

glass or orange juice plus a salty snack beforehand can be extremely helpful

in protecting their electrolyte balance. It also makes it easier to have

the stamina for the treatment.

HTH and good luck.

--

Michele

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Mix it into a food with a strong taste that may cover it. Or a

flavorful ice cold juice to help hide the taste.

What is with the bronchitis this year? I have it and my mother is on

round three with it, and it seems like everyone I talk to has it or

knows someone who does.

I tried all the antivirals I could think, but ended up at the doc for

antibiotics..I have had it a month. Unfortunately for me I had to do

something, it was not budging with antivirals. Sometimes bronchitis

is bacterial and may need something else.

I tried virastop, OLE, echinacea, Vit A and Zinc, Astralagus, Immuno

Aid...Herbal Throat Coat tea, Herbal Cough Medicine..the list goes

on...

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm looking for tips of any kind for my 15-month old. She's got

> constant bronchitis (though is totally off dairy) and in the past,

OLE

> has worked really well when she took it mixed in sorbet. Then she

> tasted the vile stuff, and now wants nothing of it!

>

> So what other tips can people offer? I've been rubbing OOO on her

feet

> and that seems to help generally, but not as well as OLE when she

took

> it orally.

>

> Has anyone found a way to get babies/toddlers to take OLE, OOO or

> other supplements orally?

>

> Are there other natural remedies that I can try? What has worked

for you?

>

> Thanks for any tips!

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I'm looking for tips of any kind for my 15-month old. She's got

> constant bronchitis (though is totally off dairy) and in the past, OLE

> has worked really well when she took it mixed in sorbet. Then she

> tasted the vile stuff, and now wants nothing of it!

Try giving vitamin C and lysine.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ,

>

> I have a form of cystic fibrosis, so I am supposed to be chronically ill

> with respiratory problems. I have gotten off 8 prescription drugs

and my

> health continues to improve. For me, I have found that washing all

> curtains, throw rugs, and bedding and cleaning any upholstered

furniture in

> the house can be key to breaking the cycle of chronic respiratory

> infections.

Thanks . Your reply got me thinking that maybe it's the

mattress that is the problem. I removed my baby's SIDS mattress

protection a couple of months ago because I thought she was past the

age of risk for SIDS but (DUH) didn't think about the protection from

toxins in the mattress. So maybe that's part of the problem.

> For viral infections, yes, I take OLE and some other things. I also

watch

> my ph balance: http://www.healthgazelle.org/ph.shtml

My baby's urine smells very acidic. In fact, I took her to see the ped

several weeks ago because I suspected a UTI - she was very cranky,

kept putting her hand in her crotch whenever I took off the diaper & I

noticed that she had acidic smelling urine.

I see that you talk about the link between acid & lung infections -

can you point me to some more reading or give me a short course on it?

What I can change in her diet to help the Ph? She eats mostly veggies,

fruit, a little meat, some grains (bread, oats). All organic, no dairy

but not GFCF.

I am so fed up today of playing doctor for everyone! Seems lately that

I can't keep up with everyone's health needs - between the baby's

lungs, my son's allergies & acting out, my daughter's GFCF, I can't

seem to get a life! Am I alone in this? Wish I could outsource more of

this stuff to competent doctors so I could get a life!

Anyway, thanks again for the help.

[Guest guest]

>>Your reply got me thinking that maybe it's the mattress that is the

problem.

I and both my sons sleep on the floor without a mattress because mattresses

were part of the problem. Please at least put the protective covering back

on and see if that helps. I think mattresses are really disgusting. My

sons tell me that the weight of a mattress can double in one month from dust

mites. When I lived in the Mojave Desert, I sunned my mattresses and

upholstered furniture at least once a year. (Sunshine kills dustmites and

most mattresses never see the light of day.) Now, I have no mattresses or

upholstered furniture. For people with allergies, respiratory problems,

etc, I think this stuff is a very big problem.

>>My baby's urine smells very acidic. In fact, I took her to see the ped

several weeks ago because I suspected a UTI - she was very cranky,

kept putting her hand in her crotch whenever I took off the diaper & I

noticed that she had acidic smelling urine.

I was reading this weekend that UTI's typically cause the urine to be

more alkaline, not more acid:

" Most of the bacteria responsible for urinary tract infections make the

urine more alkaline because the bacteria split urea into ammonia and other

alkaline waste products. "

http://www.rnceus.com/ua/uaph.html

>>>I see that you talk about the link between acid & lung infections -

can you point me to some more reading or give me a short course on it?

The short version is that excess acidity promotes inflammation and

inflammation promotes infection. Lots of inflammatory diseases are treated

with anti-inflammatory drugs. People doing alternative stuff find that

treating the excess acidity can reduce the need for anti-inflammatory

drugs. People with cystic fibrosis are extremely prone to being very acid.

Doctor's typically prescribe strong anti-inflammatories to reduce

infection. But the gut issues are often treated with prescription

antacids. Anecdotally, people on prescription antacids report that they

have less lung inflammation while on them. The story of my own AHA! moment

concerning acidity and lung inflammation can be found here:

http://www.cfnutrition4life.com/cfnu/readarticle.php?article_id=16

I don't really have any articles or whatever to link to beyond whatever is

linked on the PH balance page of my website. It appears to me that this

connection is largely overlooked by the medical community, though the

connection between inflammation and infection is very well established and

the connection between excess acidity and inflammation is also well

established.

>>What I can change in her diet to help the Ph?

Some of my favorites: apples, apple juice, lettuce (I used to eat this

daily -- it's the single best food for treating excess acidity), corn,

watermelon. There are links on my ph balance to lists of which foods are

alkaline promoting and which foods are acid promoting. The lists don't 100%

agree with each other but it's a place to start for learning about this.

--

Michele

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>>The short version is that excess acidity promotes inflammation and

inflammation promotes infection. Lots of inflammatory diseases are treated

with anti-inflammatory drugs. People doing alternative stuff find that

treating the excess acidity can reduce the need for anti-inflammatory

drugs. People with cystic fibrosis are extremely prone to being very acid.

Doctor's typically prescribe strong anti-inflammatories to reduce

infection. But the gut issues are often treated with prescription

antacids. Anecdotally, people on prescription antacids report that they

have less lung inflammation while on them.

---------

Let me try to clarify a few things that I didn't say very well in the above

paragraph:

First, when I say inflammatory diseases are treated with

anti-inflammatories, one of the things I mean is that anti-inflammatories

are used to reduce the incidence of infection in people with cystic

fibrosis. This is wonderful news but kind of dumb in my opinion because if

you treat the root-cause of the inflammation -- the acidity -- you can do

that without drugs, drug side effects, etc. and actually fix the problem

rather than just manipulate the body on a more superficial level.

When I say that " people on prescription antacids report that they have less

lung inflammation " , I mean people with cystic fibrosis who get prescribed

antacids for their gut issues find their lungs work better as well and they

have less lung inflammation. People with cystic fibrosis account for one

third of all lung transplants in the U.S. and are basically supposed to

die by their mid thirties from chronic lung disease. So if treating the

excess acidity in their gut reduces lung inflammation (and reducing lung

inflammation is known to reduce lung infection), that seems very significant

to me. I have seen the benefits of it myself but I do it largely through

diet, not with drugs.

Sorry for not being more clear the first time. :-)

--

Michele

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[Guest guest]

Michele,

This is great info, thank you! I had a look at your site & went to the

pH info pages & the foods pages and I will try modifying the diet to

see if this helps. My baby has been very fussy with her food for the

past several weeks refusing most cut fresh fruits and veggies too & I

see from the pages you gave that her diet has been heavy in acididying

things lately like grains, rice, rice milk, etc.

I can't believe how acidic her urine is. Tonight at bath time, I

washed her twice & when I put on her diaper, I could still smell a

faint acidic odor.

I'll probably have to get another mattress cover since I gave away the

SIDS cover I had.

Thanks again for this info - I'll let you know how things go.

>

> >>The short version is that excess acidity promotes inflammation and

> inflammation promotes infection. Lots of inflammatory diseases are

treated

> with anti-inflammatory drugs. People doing alternative stuff find that

> treating the excess acidity can reduce the need for anti-inflammatory

> drugs. People with cystic fibrosis are extremely prone to being very

acid.

> Doctor's typically prescribe strong anti-inflammatories to reduce

> infection. But the gut issues are often treated with prescription

> antacids. Anecdotally, people on prescription antacids report that they

> have less lung inflammation while on them.

> ---------

>

> Let me try to clarify a few things that I didn't say very well in

the above

> paragraph:

> First, when I say inflammatory diseases are treated with

> anti-inflammatories, one of the things I mean is that

anti-inflammatories

> are used to reduce the incidence of infection in people with cystic

> fibrosis. This is wonderful news but kind of dumb in my opinion

because if

> you treat the root-cause of the inflammation -- the acidity -- you

can do

> that without drugs, drug side effects, etc. and actually fix the problem

> rather than just manipulate the body on a more superficial level.

>

> When I say that " people on prescription antacids report that they

have less

> lung inflammation " , I mean people with cystic fibrosis who get

prescribed

> antacids for their gut issues find their lungs work better as well

and they

> have less lung inflammation. People with cystic fibrosis account

for one

> third of all lung transplants in the U.S. and are basically supposed to

> die by their mid thirties from chronic lung disease. So if treating the

> excess acidity in their gut reduces lung inflammation (and reducing lung

> inflammation is known to reduce lung infection), that seems very

significant

> to me. I have seen the benefits of it myself but I do it largely

through

> diet, not with drugs.

>

> Sorry for not being more clear the first time. :-)

>

>

> --

> Michele

[Guest guest]

> Try giving vitamin C and lysine.

>

> Dana

Thanks Dana. I'll try crushed Vit C tablets. The lysine will have to

wait since I have no idea what that is & how it works (plus I'm over

budget on the supps at the moment ;-) I see that it's not talked about

much in the supplements file - where can I get more info? Would be

useful for my #1 as well.

[Guest guest]

Lysine is an amino acid which also happens to be an antiviral.

You can buy it at any health food store. It is useful for anyone with

viral problems or problems with warts.

>

>

>

> > Try giving vitamin C and lysine.

> >

> > Dana

>

> Thanks Dana. I'll try crushed Vit C tablets. The lysine will have to

> wait since I have no idea what that is & how it works (plus I'm over

> budget on the supps at the moment ;-) I see that it's not talked about

> much in the supplements file - where can I get more info? Would be

> useful for my #1 as well.

>

[Guest guest]

> > Try giving vitamin C and lysine.

> > Dana

> Thanks Dana. I'll try crushed Vit C tablets. The lysine will have to

> wait since I have no idea what that is & how it works

It is an amino acid that eliminates warts, mouth sores, and

herpes/chicken pox virus. My son is going thru a major viral die off

right now [with MAJOR improvements, OMG!] and lysine [and GSE] are the

only two supplements I am giving.

>>(plus I'm over

> budget on the supps at the moment ;-)

Very cheap at my local health food store.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Is it actually bacterial or viral? Does she show fever, phlegm etc. I

ask because I was told all winter that I had bronchitis last year but

nothing I took did anything for it. I ended up stumbling upon some

research somewhere that cortisol levels control bronchial dilation.

And insufficient adrenals, low cortisol would cause spastic tight

bronchials. This condition can cause infection because the bronchials

normally move and contract/relax to move phlegm through the bronchial

tubes. If it's not moving...problems can happen.

So after consuming a lot of antivirals, antibacterials, immune

boosters, and even a few types of antibotics with no resolve.

I ended up with adrenal support as my cure.

Also low thyroid function contributes to a lot of respiratory

infections. So things to keep an eye out if you can't get rid of this

and it does not seem infectious.

My clue was that NO ONE else in my house caught what I had, despite my

barking cough all over the place. LOl...

Have you tried OLE liquid? Or just capsules? I find the capsules

easier, if I open them and mix the herbs with something else strong

like peanut butter.

OOO is nasty. I used that for months for my " bronchitis " and it does

help dilate the bronchials and make you breath better, but I can't see

getting that into a child. I had to take in hot water with honey and

slam it..and even then it was foul.

I hope someone else can help with that part.

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm looking for tips of any kind for my 15-month old. She's got

> constant bronchitis (though is totally off dairy) and in the past, OLE

> has worked really well when she took it mixed in sorbet. Then she

> tasted the vile stuff, and now wants nothing of it!

>

> So what other tips can people offer? I've been rubbing OOO on her feet

> and that seems to help generally, but not as well as OLE when she took

> it orally.

>

> Has anyone found a way to get babies/toddlers to take OLE, OOO or

> other supplements orally?

>

> Are there other natural remedies that I can try? What has worked for

you?

>

> Thanks for any tips!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, we find ph is acidic when they are sick and giving things like

ascorbic acid (vit c) and Mag citrate help gear it back to alkaline in

hours. Another quick way is to drink some baking soda in water, but

that is not popular with children.

Look at mattress wrapping online to deal with the mattress.

> >

> > >>The short version is that excess acidity promotes inflammation and

> > inflammation promotes infection. Lots of inflammatory diseases are

> treated

> > with anti-inflammatory drugs. People doing alternative stuff find that

> > treating the excess acidity can reduce the need for anti-inflammatory

> > drugs. People with cystic fibrosis are extremely prone to being very

> acid.

> > Doctor's typically prescribe strong anti-inflammatories to reduce

> > infection. But the gut issues are often treated with prescription

> > antacids. Anecdotally, people on prescription antacids report that

they

> > have less lung inflammation while on them.

> > ---------

> >

> > Let me try to clarify a few things that I didn't say very well in

> the above

> > paragraph:

> > First, when I say inflammatory diseases are treated with

> > anti-inflammatories, one of the things I mean is that

> anti-inflammatories

> > are used to reduce the incidence of infection in people with cystic

> > fibrosis. This is wonderful news but kind of dumb in my opinion

> because if

> > you treat the root-cause of the inflammation -- the acidity -- you

> can do

> > that without drugs, drug side effects, etc. and actually fix the

problem

> > rather than just manipulate the body on a more superficial level.

> >

> > When I say that " people on prescription antacids report that they

> have less

> > lung inflammation " , I mean people with cystic fibrosis who get

> prescribed

> > antacids for their gut issues find their lungs work better as well

> and they

> > have less lung inflammation. People with cystic fibrosis account

> for one

> > third of all lung transplants in the U.S. and are basically

supposed to

> > die by their mid thirties from chronic lung disease. So if

treating the

> > excess acidity in their gut reduces lung inflammation (and

reducing lung

> > inflammation is known to reduce lung infection), that seems very

> significant

> > to me. I have seen the benefits of it myself but I do it largely

> through

> > diet, not with drugs.

> >

> > Sorry for not being more clear the first time. :-)

> >

> >

> > --

> > Michele

>

[Guest guest]

Mix OLE with grape juice. Just enough to syringe it.

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I'm looking for tips of any kind for my 15-month old. She's got

> > constant bronchitis (though is totally off dairy) and in the

past, OLE

> > has worked really well when she took it mixed in sorbet. Then she

> > tasted the vile stuff, and now wants nothing of it!

> >

> > So what other tips can people offer? I've been rubbing OOO on her

feet

> > and that seems to help generally, but not as well as OLE when she

took

> > it orally.

> >

> > Has anyone found a way to get babies/toddlers to take OLE, OOO or

> > other supplements orally?

> >

> > Are there other natural remedies that I can try? What has worked

for

> you?

> >

> > Thanks for any tips!

> >

> >

>