Re: How long to see improvement

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If copper was really high, you need to go gently with the ALA,

restrict copper foods, and use zinc and molybdenum.

Anne

..

>

> We have been chelating using DMSA/ALA @ 7mg/ dose every 3-4 hrs as

> per Andy's protocol for 6 months now. He is on supps recommended

by

> Andy as well. There has been minimal improvement so far, though he

> is normally calmer during on days with better speech etc. Hair

tests

> showed toxic loads off the chart inc merc. lead, copper & the rest.

> I feel like I am missing something. He is extremely food reactive

> inc;

> Brown rice, gluten,casein,salicylates,amines,additives. This

leaves

> little food to rotate, I thought about SCD but it is so hard at

> school as he can not have nuts or any fruits except pears. Prev

> stool & oat showed small yeast overgrowth, no E.coli, minimal

> probiotic strains & massive overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria

> especially clostridia. I am wondering if I should just do ALA

dosing

> in case DMSA is giving him yeast issues. He is not currently on

any

> anti-fungals etc.

> Please help with advice, as I am feeling very discouraged at the

> moment, & wonder if all this hard work is really worth the

> restrictions we have placed on him, he is almost 8 yo now.

Diagnosed

> at 3yo as pdd-nos & is now classed as severely autistic despite

> periods ( a few weeks) of high functioning.

> Alison Singleton

> New Zealand

>

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From: alisonlsingleton

We have been chelating using DMSA/ALA @ 7mg/ dose every 3-4 hrs as

per Andy's protocol for 6 months now. He is on supps recommended by

Andy as well. There has been minimal improvement so far, though he

is normally calmer during on days with better speech etc.

===>Hi Alison,

The calmer/better language is your big clue here that what you are doing is

working.

The normal course of chelation is to get improvements for 2-4 months and then

the person enters a stall period where nothing seems to be happening for about

6-12 months but it's important to keep going. Then there will be more

improvements, so you're likely in the stall period.

Hair tests

showed toxic loads off the chart inc merc. lead, copper & the rest.

I am wondering if I should just do ALA dosing

in case DMSA is giving him yeast issues.

====>You do need the Dmsa since you have lead, but you only need it one round

a month.

He is not currently on any

anti-fungals etc.

===>It's likely that the bacteria/yeast is masking some improvements, I'd work

on those. There is lots of advice at www.onibasu.com on how to deal with both

issues.

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

Hi guys,

I am new to this group and not too familiar when you

guys say Andy or Andy's protocol. Can someone please

explain or guide me to proper resources. Thank you.

lie

--- Ladyshrink111@... wrote:

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: alisonlsingleton

>

>

> We have been chelating using DMSA/ALA @ 7mg/ dose

> every 3-4 hrs as

> per Andy's protocol for 6 months now. He is on

> supps recommended by

> Andy as well. There has been minimal improvement

> so far, though he

> is normally calmer during on days with better

> speech etc.

>

> ===>Hi Alison,

>

> The calmer/better language is your big clue here

> that what you are doing is working.

>

> The normal course of chelation is to get

> improvements for 2-4 months and then the person

> enters a stall period where nothing seems to be

> happening for about 6-12 months but it's important

> to keep going. Then there will be more improvements,

> so you're likely in the stall period.

>

>

>

> Hair tests

> showed toxic loads off the chart inc merc. lead,

> copper & the rest.

> I am wondering if I should just do ALA dosing

> in case DMSA is giving him yeast issues.

>

> ====>You do need the Dmsa since you have lead, but

> you only need it one round a month.

>

>

>

> He is not currently on any

> anti-fungals etc.

>

> ===>It's likely that the bacteria/yeast is masking

> some improvements, I'd work on those. There is lots

> of advice at www.onibasu.com on how to deal with

> both issues.

>

> Good luck,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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I am on SCD due to Celiac disease and there are some alternatives for food. I

know that SCD does not allow grains which I am off but maybe your child can take

teh other cereals that do not have gluten like buckwheat, amaranth and I kno wis

another one that starts with S. ( you can make bread or pankcakes that you can

fill with other stuff)

Myself I make the almond bread but as you said at school they do not allow

nuts. If he can warm up or if you could send the lunch warm he can have

buttersquash, all sorts of vegggies or even better you can make meat balls in

which you can put - ground turkey meat, veggies ( brocolli, cauliflower, parsley

or chilantro, parsnip) cheese, eggs, garlic, onions then you bake them. They are

very tasty. Sometimes we also add ground almonds to the mixture or red kidney or

pther beans.

Two year ago my son was high on copper and the ND gave me the next list of

foods that are meant to chelate copper (cilantro,beans, onion, garlic,) beside

zinc, vit C and vit B6

Varinia

alisonlsingleton <alsingleton@...> wrote:

We have been chelating using DMSA/ALA @ 7mg/ dose every 3-4 hrs as

per Andy's protocol for 6 months now. He is on supps recommended by

Andy as well. There has been minimal improvement so far, though he Hello,

is normally calmer during on days with better speech etc. Hair tests

showed toxic loads off the chart inc merc. lead, copper & the rest.

I feel like I am missing something. He is extremely food reactive

inc;

Brown rice, gluten,casein,salicylates,amines,additives. This leaves

little food to rotate, I thought about SCD but it is so hard at

school as he can not have nuts or any fruits except pears. Prev

stool & oat showed small yeast overgrowth, no E.coli, minimal

probiotic strains & massive overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria

especially clostridia. I am wondering if I should just do ALA dosing

in case DMSA is giving him yeast issues. He is not currently on any

anti-fungals etc.

Please help with advice, as I am feeling very discouraged at the

moment, & wonder if all this hard work is really worth the

restrictions we have placed on him, he is almost 8 yo now. Diagnosed

at 3yo as pdd-nos & is now classed as severely autistic despite

periods ( a few weeks) of high functioning.

Alison Singleton

New Zealand

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

The fact that you say he seems calmer with better speech on days with

his rounds indicates that metals are part of his problem. You may wish

to try to go to 12.5 mg since he is 8 years old. My son is on that

dose and is 5 (45 pounds), Not sure you son's weight. Just a thought.

Monitoring and helping gut issues too as I am sure you already know.

It can be daunting...but you know the metals are there, and this will

remove them. Which should yield some improvements.

If his hair test did not show deranged mineral transport, then his

copper would be a concern if it was really high. At which point you

may want to consider doing just dmsa for a while until you lower it.

You can also add molybdenum and zinc (if not already on it) to help

lower copper levels. Is he on milk thistle? This can help with some of

those food intolerances also as well as support liver etc.

Sometimes it can help to list all the supps and doses he is on..others

here can point out things that can help. But chelation is a very slow

process, and tiny improvements are typical. We saw gradual

improvements as rounds went on. For some kids this is slower than

others..it all depends on the level of autism and problems the metals

have created. Hang in there!!

>

> We have been chelating using DMSA/ALA @ 7mg/ dose every 3-4 hrs as

> per Andy's protocol for 6 months now. He is on supps recommended by

> Andy as well. There has been minimal improvement so far, though he

> is normally calmer during on days with better speech etc. Hair tests

> showed toxic loads off the chart inc merc. lead, copper & the rest.

> I feel like I am missing something. He is extremely food reactive

> inc;

> Brown rice, gluten,casein,salicylates,amines,additives. This leaves

> little food to rotate, I thought about SCD but it is so hard at

> school as he can not have nuts or any fruits except pears. Prev

> stool & oat showed small yeast overgrowth, no E.coli, minimal

> probiotic strains & massive overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria

> especially clostridia. I am wondering if I should just do ALA dosing

> in case DMSA is giving him yeast issues. He is not currently on any

> anti-fungals etc.

> Please help with advice, as I am feeling very discouraged at the

> moment, & wonder if all this hard work is really worth the

> restrictions we have placed on him, he is almost 8 yo now. Diagnosed

> at 3yo as pdd-nos & is now classed as severely autistic despite

> periods ( a few weeks) of high functioning.

> Alison Singleton

> New Zealand

>

[Guest guest]

lie,

Please read the files for all the information you will need. We are

referring to Hall Cutler Ph.D and his chelation protocol which

first detailed in his book Amalgam Illness. It has since been updating

a bit in dosing amounts so there is file in the files section.

>

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: alisonlsingleton

> >

> >

> > We have been chelating using DMSA/ALA @ 7mg/ dose

> > every 3-4 hrs as

> > per Andy's protocol for 6 months now. He is on

> > supps recommended by

> > Andy as well. There has been minimal improvement

> > so far, though he

> > is normally calmer during on days with better

> > speech etc.

> >

> > ===>Hi Alison,

> >

> > The calmer/better language is your big clue here

> > that what you are doing is working.

> >

> > The normal course of chelation is to get

> > improvements for 2-4 months and then the person

> > enters a stall period where nothing seems to be

> > happening for about 6-12 months but it's important

> > to keep going. Then there will be more improvements,

> > so you're likely in the stall period.

> >

> >

> >

> > Hair tests

> > showed toxic loads off the chart inc merc. lead,

> > copper & the rest.

> > I am wondering if I should just do ALA dosing

> > in case DMSA is giving him yeast issues.

> >

> > ====>You do need the Dmsa since you have lead, but

> > you only need it one round a month.

> >

> >

> >

> > He is not currently on any

> > anti-fungals etc.

> >

> > ===>It's likely that the bacteria/yeast is masking

> > some improvements, I'd work on those. There is lots

> > of advice at www.onibasu.com on how to deal with

> > both issues.

> >

> > Good luck,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Can someone post Moira's site for lie? Someone not computer retarded?

Thanks,

Re: [ ] How long to see improvement

Hi guys,

I am new to this group and not too familiar when you

guys say Andy or Andy's protocol. Can someone please

explain or guide me to proper resources. Thank you.

lie

--- Ladyshrink111@... wrote:

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: alisonlsingleton

>

>

> We have been chelating using DMSA/ALA @ 7mg/ dose

> every 3-4 hrs as

> per Andy's protocol for 6 months now. He is on

> supps recommended by

> Andy as well. There has been minimal improvement

> so far, though he

> is normally calmer during on days with better

> speech etc.

>

> ===>Hi Alison,

>

> The calmer/better language is your big clue here

> that what you are doing is working.

>

> The normal course of chelation is to get

> improvements for 2-4 months and then the person

> enters a stall period where nothing seems to be

> happening for about 6-12 months but it's important

> to keep going. Then there will be more improvements,

> so you're likely in the stall period.

>

>

>

> Hair tests

> showed toxic loads off the chart inc merc. lead,

> copper & the rest.

> I am wondering if I should just do ALA dosing

> in case DMSA is giving him yeast issues.

>

> ====>You do need the Dmsa since you have lead, but

> you only need it one round a month.

>

>

>

> He is not currently on any

> anti-fungals etc.

>

> ===>It's likely that the bacteria/yeast is masking

> some improvements, I'd work on those. There is lots

> of advice at www.onibasu.com on how to deal with

> both issues.

>

> Good luck,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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>

> Hi guys,

>

> I am new to this group and not too familiar when you

> guys say Andy or Andy's protocol. Can someone please

> explain or guide me to proper resources. Thank you.

>

> lie

Here is Moria's website:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

You can get more in-depth information from Andy's books:

http://www.noamalgam.com

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

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> stool & oat showed small yeast overgrowth,

Try adding biotin.

>>massive overgrowth of anaerobic bacteria

> especially clostridia.

I used OLE to address bacteria issues [and viruses].

>> I am wondering if I should just do ALA dosing

> in case DMSA is giving him yeast issues.

I used only ALA, and it did cause yeast overgrowth.

Dana