Re: hyperactivity treatment

June 15, 2008

Hi Francine,

I would love this info too,I have a very hyper 10 year old that

nothing has helped!

I tried to email you privately to ask for this but my

email was being difficult and it wouldn't go through.

If you wouldn't mind sharing my email is dloychik@...

Thanks so much!

Donna

I

>

> Dear Pamela,

>

> Interestingly, Ted, on the Biological Terrain list, just posted

something on

> hyperactivity, aggression, etc. saying it was an 'acid brain' (as

in acid

> vs. alkaline). If you're interested in his suggestions, email me

and I'll send

> it to you. He's a really innovative thinker.

>

> And it is wonderful that your son is amused by his behavior; that

is a big

> step out of autism! And be vigilant!

>

> Francine

>

> epiousian = the expression of agape

>

> quite a bit more than enough

>

> **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife.

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> 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

>

June 15, 2008

Hi I have a 9 year old who does all these things and more..swears and

wants us to copy him and picks out of us and waits to see what we are

going to do with a big cheesy grin on his face. He loves taking

showers at the moment. and deep pressure on his chin. He is 'biting'

for pressure, toys, remote control, the bone of my wrist ... then he

settles away down for another few months and then it starts all over

again. This has been the pattern for a while. I do think probiotics

anti fungals help but they are not healing this problem.....

I would like to read the the article please..

Thanks

Aileen

> & gt;

> & gt; Dear Pamela,

> & gt;

> & gt; Interestingly, Ted, on the Biological Terrain list, just

posted

> something on

> & gt; hyperactivity, aggression, etc. saying it was an 'acid brain'

(as

> in acid

> & gt; vs. alkaline). If you're interested in his suggestions, email

me

> and I'll send

> & gt; it to you. He's a really innovative thinker.

> & gt;

> & gt; And it is wonderful that your son is amused by his behavior;

that

> is a big

> & gt; step out of autism! And be vigilant!

> & gt;

> & gt; Francine

> & gt;

> & gt; epiousian = the expression of agape

> & gt;

> & gt; quite a bit more than enough

> & gt;

> & gt; ************ **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife.

> City's Best

> & gt; 2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid= aolacg0005000000 0102)

> & gt;

June 16, 2008

>>and deep pressure on his chin.

At my house, this was related to yeast overgrowth and folic acid

deficiency. Others have written in the past that zinc helped.

Dana

June 16, 2008

> ...... then he

> settles away down for another few months and then it starts all over

> again. This has been the pattern for a while.

Ask your doctor (a sane one, hard to find I know) about the possibility of

cyclic mood

disorders and whether a trial of a mood stabilizer would be appropriate.

Andy

June 16, 2008

With my first son, the deep pressure seeking was related to

phenol/artificials intolerance. It completely went away when we went

low phenol and used no-fenol enzyme.

Son #2 doesn't push bodyparts into us/furniture, but he is constantly

touching himself and us (touches his hair, face, leans into us and

pokes us). Unfortunately we haven't discovered the key to stopping

this for him. Going low phenol/no artificials with him didn't stop

the behavior (it did, however, completely stop chronic bed-wetting).

Satia

> YES, I really need to read that article. My GS doesn't just stop

at deep

> pressure on the chin. He actually takes the back of his wrist or

his knee

> and hits himself there. Not really very hard but he has done it

often

> enough it has made a lite bruise on his chin! And of course it

looks really

> strange in public, I have been treating like crazy for yeast but

it has not

> stopped this behavior yet.

>

> chris

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:Autism-

Mercury ]

> On Behalf Of Gray

> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 8:30 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: hyperactivity treatment

>

> deep pressure on the chin... My son (4y) likes to press his chin

down on

> stuff - like my face. It hurts me when he does it. He also does it

on things

> like the floor, tables, and other hard surfaces. I never thought of

it being

> a deep pressure thing. hmmmm....

>

> > From: stepbystep67 <stepbystep@utvinter

> <mailto:stepbystep%40utvinternet.com> net.com>

> > Subject: [ ] Re: hyperactivity treatment

> > @ <mailto: %40>

>

> > Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 7:53 PM

> > Hi I have a 9 year old who does all these things and

> > more..swears and

> > wants us to copy him and picks out of us and waits to see

> > what we are

> > going to do with a big cheesy grin on his face. He loves

> > taking

> > showers at the moment. and deep pressure on his chin. He is

> > 'biting'

> > for pressure, toys, remote control, the bone of my wrist

> > ... then he

> > settles away down for another few months and then it starts

> > all over

> > again. This has been the pattern for a while. I do think

> > probiotics

> > anti fungals help but they are not healing this

> > problem.....

> >

> > I would like to read the the article please..

> > Thanks

> >

> > Aileen

> >

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; Dear Pamela,

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; Interestingly, Ted, on the Biological Terrain

> > list, just

> > posted

> > > something on

> > > & gt; hyperactivity, aggression, etc. saying it was

> > an 'acid brain'

> > (as

> > > in acid

> > > & gt; vs. alkaline). If you're interested in

> > his suggestions, email

> > me

> > > and I'll send

> > > & gt; it to you. He's a really innovative

> > thinker.

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; And it is wonderful that your son is amused

> > by his behavior;

> > that

> > > is a big

> > > & gt; step out of autism! And be vigilant!

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; Francine

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; epiousian = the expression of agape

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; quite a bit more than enough

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; ************ **Vote for your city's best

> > dining and nightlife.

> > > City's Best

> > > & gt; 2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid=

> > aolacg0005000000 0102)

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > & gt;

> > >

June 16, 2008

anyone with more info on phenols and how to reduce in the diet,

please can you post? email me? thank you

my boy fits the description to a " T " , re: digging head into mine,

into furniture, etc.

My own head is full of bruises as are my arms, etc. He has done this

for the last 2 years.

thank you

> > > > & gt;

> > > > & gt; Dear Pamela,

> > > > & gt;

> > > > & gt; Interestingly, Ted, on the Biological Terrain

> > > list, just

> > > posted

> > > > something on

> > > > & gt; hyperactivity, aggression, etc. saying it was

> > > an 'acid brain'

> > > (as

> > > > in acid

> > > > & gt; vs. alkaline). If you're interested in

> > > his suggestions, email

> > > me

> > > > and I'll send

> > > > & gt; it to you. He's a really innovative

> > > thinker.

> > > > & gt;

> > > > & gt; And it is wonderful that your son is amused

> > > by his behavior;

> > > that

> > > > is a big

> > > > & gt; step out of autism! And be vigilant!

> > > > & gt;

> > > > & gt; Francine

> > > > & gt;

> > > > & gt; epiousian = the expression of agape

> > > > & gt;

> > > > & gt; quite a bit more than enough

> > > > & gt;

> > > > & gt; ************ **Vote for your city's best

> > > dining and nightlife.

> > > > City's Best

> > > > & gt; 2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid=

> > > aolacg0005000000 0102)

> > > > & gt;

> > > > & gt; [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > & gt;

> > > >

June 16, 2008

My son's hyperactivity went down on a low phenol diet and No Phenol

Enzymes as well. Dana has great info. on her site regarding this

issue. I think the key for us was understanding the biochemical

pathways with PST. I suggest when you start, completely try and

elminate medium and high phenol foods (list online). Then, with

every meal/snack give the No Phenol Enzymes. You're basically

trying to unload a " backed up " pathway so to speak. Epsom salt

baths every night is important also for the sulfur pathway. Once

you start to see a substantial decrease in hyperactivity, we started

adding some high phenol foods back in his diet with the no phenol

enymes. Also, note bananas are high in amines which mimick

phenols.

On the Enzymes Group, there is a great paper in the files for

phenols and how to get the PST enzyme and sulfur pathway working

again. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll try to locate it

and email it to you.

One other possibility to look at is yeast. Yeast causes hyperactive

behavior for our child, so you kind of have to do your own detective

work and keep a food diary. Once the hyper behavior starts in

again, take a look at the foods and see if there's a pattern.

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; Dear Pamela,

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; Interestingly, Ted, on the Biological Terrain

> > > > list, just

> > > > posted

> > > > > something on

> > > > > & gt; hyperactivity, aggression, etc. saying it was

> > > > an 'acid brain'

> > > > (as

> > > > > in acid

> > > > > & gt; vs. alkaline). If you're interested in

> > > > his suggestions, email

> > > > me

> > > > > and I'll send

> > > > > & gt; it to you. He's a really innovative

> > > > thinker.

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; And it is wonderful that your son is amused

> > > > by his behavior;

> > > > that

> > > > > is a big

> > > > > & gt; step out of autism! And be vigilant!

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; Francine

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; epiousian = the expression of agape

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; quite a bit more than enough

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; ************ **Vote for your city's best

> > > > dining and nightlife.

> > > > > City's Best

> > > > > & gt; 2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid=

> > > > aolacg0005000000 0102)

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > >

June 16, 2008

I had to put my daughter on SARA's diet. She did not respond to

GF/CF or SCD but SARA's diet saved her life. SARA's diet takes out

all the lutiens in food. Anything with color is forbidden not even

natural colors. I thought I was being a great mom feeding my

daughter black beans, pumpkin, blueberries, strawberries, mango,

eggs, chicken broth etc. after 2 days on the diet she let me touch

her at age 3.5. At the 1/2 life of the lutiens on day 45 she wanted

to use the toilet. The diet completely, absolutely was the best

intervention and changed her life.

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; Dear Pamela,

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; Interestingly, Ted, on the Biological Terrain

> > > > list, just

> > > > posted

> > > > > something on

> > > > > & gt; hyperactivity, aggression, etc. saying it was

> > > > an 'acid brain'

> > > > (as

> > > > > in acid

> > > > > & gt; vs. alkaline). If you're interested in

> > > > his suggestions, email

> > > > me

> > > > > and I'll send

> > > > > & gt; it to you. He's a really innovative

> > > > thinker.

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; And it is wonderful that your son is amused

> > > > by his behavior;

> > > > that

> > > > > is a big

> > > > > & gt; step out of autism! And be vigilant!

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; Francine

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; epiousian = the expression of agape

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; quite a bit more than enough

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; ************ **Vote for your city's best

> > > > dining and nightlife.

> > > > > City's Best

> > > > > & gt; 2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid=

> > > > aolacg0005000000 0102)

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > > & gt; [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > & gt;

> > > > >

June 16, 2008

> > > > > > & gt;

> > > > > > & gt; Dear Pamela,

> > > > > > & gt;

> > > > > > & gt; Interestingly, Ted, on the Biological Terrain

> > > > > list, just

> > > > > posted

> > > > > > something on

> > > > > > & gt; hyperactivity, aggression, etc. saying it was

> > > > > an 'acid brain'

> > > > > (as

> > > > > > in acid

> > > > > > & gt; vs. alkaline). If you're interested in

> > > > > his suggestions, email

> > > > > me

> > > > > > and I'll send

> > > > > > & gt; it to you. He's a really innovative

> > > > > thinker.

> > > > > > & gt;

> > > > > > & gt; And it is wonderful that your son is amused

> > > > > by his behavior;

> > > > > that

> > > > > > is a big

> > > > > > & gt; step out of autism! And be vigilant!

> > > > > > & gt;

> > > > > > & gt; Francine

> > > > > > & gt;

> > > > > > & gt; epiousian = the expression of agape

> > > > > > & gt;

> > > > > > & gt; quite a bit more than enough

> > > > > > & gt;

> > > > > > & gt; ************ **Vote for your city's best

> > > > > dining and nightlife.

> > > > > > City's Best

> > > > > > & gt; 2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid=

> > > > > aolacg0005000000 0102)

> > > > > > & gt;

> > > > > > & gt; [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > & gt;

> > > > > >

June 17, 2008

>

> anyone with more info on phenols and how to reduce in the diet,

> please can you post? email me? thank you

Here is my page of info

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

Dana

June 17, 2008

>

> I had to put my daughter on SARA's diet. She did not respond to

> GF/CF or SCD but SARA's diet saved her life. SARA's diet takes out

> all the lutiens in food.

I had to remove all luteins and carotenes. I was able to correct my

son's carotene conversion problem with ALA chelation, selenium, zinc,

and vitamin C. Then, once his body was corrected, I had to supplement

lutein/carotene for several months.

Dana

June 19, 2008

There is a list of safe-foods, most of which comes from Andy, in the Frequent

Dose Chelation files section. This includes foods that are low in cysteine,

phenols and salicylates.

Dave.

-------------

Posted by: " bbrowne123 " bbrowne123@... bbrowne123

Date: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:13 pm ((PDT))

anyone with more info on phenols and how to reduce in the diet,

please can you post? email me? thank you

my boy fits the description to a " T " , re: digging head into mine,

into furniture, etc.

My own head is full of bruises as are my arms, etc. He has done this

for the last 2 years.

thank you---

August 5, 2008

> >

> > I had to put my daughter on SARA's diet. She did not respond to

> > GF/CF or SCD but SARA's diet saved her life. SARA's diet takes out

> > all the lutiens in food.

>

> That isn't actually what it does (we had the originator on the list

for a while and she didn't even know what lutein was in or what it

was), but this 'white food diet' does in fact help some people.

>

Well thank you for your condescension. It is not a 'White food diet'

and we do know what 'lutein' is.

Max and Desorgher

http://www.saras-autism-diet.freeservers.com

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