Re: This is a home test for A Vitmain B12 Deficiency; the website is: www.B12.com;

[Guest guest]

Has anyone on this list actually used this test? How much did it cost? Do

they send you a test kit and then you pay when you send it in? Just

curious how it works.

Chris

It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency since

treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with neurologic

manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection intramuscular (IM)

of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for 6 months,

and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using high amounts of

oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However, adequate response

to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been conclusively

proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral, intranasal

B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12 absorption and

assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue level.5

For test kit requests or more information

E-Mail NCL

or

Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

Menu

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" If you're interested in personal health, public health, or you just want to

read an amazing story, I highly recommend this book. "

Dr. Norman

---------------------------------

Support a child from Uganda, East Africa. Click above for more information.

Welcome to Norman Clinical Laboratory, Inc. Norman Clinical Laboratory, Inc.

(NCL) provides a means to test individuals through the mail for cobalamin

(vitamin B12 ) deficiency. The test measures methylmalonic acid (MMA) by

selected ion monitoring isotope dilution gas chromatography mass

spectrometry (GC/MS) in a random spot urine specimen. The MMA value is

normalized to urine creatinine to correct for urine dilution. The urinary

MMA/creatinine ratio (uMMA) test is more accurate than the blood test as it

indicates tissue/cellular B12 deficiency.

This test is often used by physicians wishing to make a conclusive diagnosis

of vitamin B12 deficiency with a single test, individuals desiring to be

tested by mail from the privacy of their home, and investigators seeking to

conduct the most valid research study.

Vitamin B12 deficiency can cause dementia identical to early stage

Alzheimer's disease (AD). In addition, vitamin B12 deficiency has been

implicated as a risk factor for developing AD. Vitamin B12 deficiency can

also cause a wide range of neurologic and/or psychological symptoms, anemia,

and is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease. Early detection and

treatment usually with vitamin B12 injections can reverse disability.

Strict vegetarians and breast fed infants of vegans are at risk of having

B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 is found only in animal sources such as meat,

fish, eggs and milk. Unless a person is a vegetarian, vitamin B12 deficiency

is usually caused from malabsorption due to lack of the stomach protein,

intrinsic factor, resulting in pernicious anemia. A mild type B12 deficiency

is found in some elderly individuals affected with atrophic gastritis.

Eating fortified cereals and/or taking multivitamin supplements may

eliminate some B12 deficiency in this population 1,2 but yearly uMMA

screening is still warranted.

It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency since

treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with neurologic

manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection intramuscular (IM)

of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for 6 months,

and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using high amounts of

oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However, adequate response

to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been conclusively

proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral, intranasal

B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12 absorption and

assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue level.5

Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause elevated levels of serum homocysteine

(Hcys) which have been shown to be a risk factor for strokes, heart attacks

and /or blood clots.7

The uMMA test was developed by J. Norman, Ph.D. in collaboration with

the late M. Drue Denton, M.D. and co-workers at the Hematology Division of

the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, USA.8,9 This pioneering

research continued to:

Identify high prevalence of neurologic disease in vitamin B12 deficient

patients without anemia. 9-13

Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in older

populations.9,12-14

Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in individuals with a

normal serum vitamin B12.14-16

Validate the urinary MMA test as a screening tool for identifying tissue B12

deficiency in older populations.14

Establish the first commercial laboratory (1985) for measuring normal levels

of MMA using gas chromatography mass spectrometry making the assay an

available clinical test.

Establish the first Internet web site (1996) specifically for providing

mailing kits and information for the early, non-invasive detection of

metabolic vitamin B12 deficiency.

For test kit requests or more information

E-Mail NCL

or

Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

" Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the Lord of hosts "

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris:

Why not just go to the webiste; www.B12.com and read the info for

yourself; that is how i got the information; by reading the info.

The test costs $150 and is supposed to be a very accurate B12 test.

If you know of another test that is better or less expensive;

I pray you; please enlighten us; for we are all in this boat together.

>

> Has anyone on this list actually used this test? How much did it

cost? Do

> they send you a test kit and then you pay when you send it in?

Just

> curious how it works.

>

> Chris

>

> It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency since

> treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with neurologic

> manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection

intramuscular (IM)

> of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for 6

months,

> and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using high

amounts of

> oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However, adequate

response

> to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been

conclusively

> proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral,

intranasal

> B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12

absorption and

> assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue level.5

>

> For test kit requests or more information

> E-Mail NCL

> or

> Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

> Menu

> Home The Principle The Accuracy The Prevention The 1st Choice The

Epidemic

> The History Who to Test? Cases Importance The Experts About NCL

References

> Testimonials FAQ Page

> ---------------------------------

>

> B12.COM Brochure

> (Adobe Reader required)

> ---------------------------------

>

> " If you're interested in personal health, public health, or you

just want to

> read an amazing story, I highly recommend this book. "

>

> Dr. Norman

> ---------------------------------

>

> Support a child from Uganda, East Africa. Click above for more

information.

>

> Welcome to Norman Clinical Laboratory, Inc. Norman Clinical

Laboratory, Inc.

> (NCL) provides a means to test individuals through the mail for

cobalamin

> (vitamin B12 ) deficiency. The test measures methylmalonic acid

(MMA) by

> selected ion monitoring isotope dilution gas chromatography mass

> spectrometry (GC/MS) in a random spot urine specimen. The MMA value

is

> normalized to urine creatinine to correct for urine dilution. The

urinary

> MMA/creatinine ratio (uMMA) test is more accurate than the blood

test as it

> indicates tissue/cellular B12 deficiency.

> This test is often used by physicians wishing to make a conclusive

diagnosis

> of vitamin B12 deficiency with a single test, individuals desiring

to be

> tested by mail from the privacy of their home, and investigators

seeking to

> conduct the most valid research study.

> Vitamin B12 deficiency can cause dementia identical to early stage

> Alzheimer's disease (AD). In addition, vitamin B12 deficiency has

been

> implicated as a risk factor for developing AD. Vitamin B12

deficiency can

> also cause a wide range of neurologic and/or psychological

symptoms, anemia,

> and is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease. Early detection and

> treatment usually with vitamin B12 injections can reverse

disability.

> Strict vegetarians and breast fed infants of vegans are at risk of

having

> B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 is found only in animal sources such as

meat,

> fish, eggs and milk. Unless a person is a vegetarian, vitamin B12

deficiency

> is usually caused from malabsorption due to lack of the stomach

protein,

> intrinsic factor, resulting in pernicious anemia. A mild type B12

deficiency

> is found in some elderly individuals affected with atrophic

gastritis.

> Eating fortified cereals and/or taking multivitamin supplements may

> eliminate some B12 deficiency in this population 1,2 but yearly uMMA

> screening is still warranted.

>

> It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency since

> treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with neurologic

> manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection

intramuscular (IM)

> of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for 6

months,

> and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using high

amounts of

> oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However, adequate

response

> to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been

conclusively

> proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral,

intranasal

> B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12

absorption and

> assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue level.5

>

> Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause elevated levels of serum

homocysteine

> (Hcys) which have been shown to be a risk factor for strokes, heart

attacks

> and /or blood clots.7

>

> The uMMA test was developed by J. Norman, Ph.D. in

collaboration with

> the late M. Drue Denton, M.D. and co-workers at the Hematology

Division of

> the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, USA.8,9 This

pioneering

> research continued to:

>

> Identify high prevalence of neurologic disease in vitamin B12

deficient

> patients without anemia. 9-13

> Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in older

> populations.9,12-14

> Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in individuals

with a

> normal serum vitamin B12.14-16

> Validate the urinary MMA test as a screening tool for identifying

tissue B12

> deficiency in older populations.14

> Establish the first commercial laboratory (1985) for measuring

normal levels

> of MMA using gas chromatography mass spectrometry making the assay

an

> available clinical test.

> Establish the first Internet web site (1996) specifically for

providing

> mailing kits and information for the early, non-invasive detection

of

> metabolic vitamin B12 deficiency.

>

> For test kit requests or more information

> E-Mail NCL

> or

> Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

> " Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the Lord of

hosts "

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is mostly nonsense wrapped around a bit of sense to sell an expensive and

unnecessary test.

Lab tests are not magical. The real test is response to B-12, and a bottle of

B-12

sublingual tablets costs a lot less than $150 and doesn't require sticking

needles in your

kid. If they need B12 there will be some response to this, and you can decide

if they need

more.

Cheap tests that catch it with reasonable frequency include elevation of MCV or

MCH on a

blood count, and elevation of methylmalonic acid on an organic acid test.

Andy

[Guest guest]

Yeah chris; the beauty of this Vitamin B12 test @ www.b12.com is:

This home B12 Test is a home Urine test; which you mail to the lab.

they can check the Urine for Vitamin B12 defieincies.

the test is $150 and you just seal the kid's urine in a little tube

and mail back to the company; I think this is a real deal myslef.

Because a Vitamin B12 Deficiney left untreated can result in the

disease of Pernicous Anemai; which can exaserbate to a bad disease;

if the Vitamin B12 is not given as a supplemnents; a shot; or IV;

CHRIS; I HAVE NOT LOCATED THE THIAMIEN VIT. B1 co. I was mentioning.

When I do find the best THIAMINE B1 and or Vitamin B-Complex I will

notify you through this forum. THIAMINE is oh soooo important; .

> >

> > Has anyone on this list actually used this test? How much did it

> cost? Do

> > they send you a test kit and then you pay when you send it in?

> Just

> > curious how it works.

> >

> > Chris

> >

> > It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency

since

> > treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with

neurologic

> > manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection

> intramuscular (IM)

> > of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for 6

> months,

> > and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using high

> amounts of

> > oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However,

adequate

> response

> > to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been

> conclusively

> > proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral,

> intranasal

> > B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12

> absorption and

> > assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue

level.5

> >

> > For test kit requests or more information

> > E-Mail NCL

> > or

> > Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

> > Menu

> > Home The Principle The Accuracy The Prevention The 1st Choice The

> Epidemic

> > The History Who to Test? Cases Importance The Experts About NCL

> References

> > Testimonials FAQ Page

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > B12.COM Brochure

> > (Adobe Reader required)

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > " If you're interested in personal health, public health, or you

> just want to

> > read an amazing story, I highly recommend this book. "

> >

> > Dr. Norman

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > Support a child from Uganda, East Africa. Click above for more

> information.

> >

> > Welcome to Norman Clinical Laboratory, Inc. Norman Clinical

> Laboratory, Inc.

> > (NCL) provides a means to test individuals through the mail for

> cobalamin

> > (vitamin B12 ) deficiency. The test measures methylmalonic acid

> (MMA) by

> > selected ion monitoring isotope dilution gas chromatography mass

> > spectrometry (GC/MS) in a random spot urine specimen. The MMA

value

> is

> > normalized to urine creatinine to correct for urine dilution. The

> urinary

> > MMA/creatinine ratio (uMMA) test is more accurate than the blood

> test as it

> > indicates tissue/cellular B12 deficiency.

> > This test is often used by physicians wishing to make a

conclusive

> diagnosis

> > of vitamin B12 deficiency with a single test, individuals

desiring

> to be

> > tested by mail from the privacy of their home, and investigators

> seeking to

> > conduct the most valid research study.

> > Vitamin B12 deficiency can cause dementia identical to early stage

> > Alzheimer's disease (AD). In addition, vitamin B12 deficiency has

> been

> > implicated as a risk factor for developing AD. Vitamin B12

> deficiency can

> > also cause a wide range of neurologic and/or psychological

> symptoms, anemia,

> > and is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease. Early detection

and

> > treatment usually with vitamin B12 injections can reverse

> disability.

> > Strict vegetarians and breast fed infants of vegans are at risk

of

> having

> > B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 is found only in animal sources such

as

> meat,

> > fish, eggs and milk. Unless a person is a vegetarian, vitamin B12

> deficiency

> > is usually caused from malabsorption due to lack of the stomach

> protein,

> > intrinsic factor, resulting in pernicious anemia. A mild type B12

> deficiency

> > is found in some elderly individuals affected with atrophic

> gastritis.

> > Eating fortified cereals and/or taking multivitamin supplements

may

> > eliminate some B12 deficiency in this population 1,2 but yearly

uMMA

> > screening is still warranted.

> >

> > It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency

since

> > treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with

neurologic

> > manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection

> intramuscular (IM)

> > of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for 6

> months,

> > and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using high

> amounts of

> > oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However,

adequate

> response

> > to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been

> conclusively

> > proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral,

> intranasal

> > B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12

> absorption and

> > assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue

level.5

> >

> > Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause elevated levels of serum

> homocysteine

> > (Hcys) which have been shown to be a risk factor for strokes,

heart

> attacks

> > and /or blood clots.7

> >

> > The uMMA test was developed by J. Norman, Ph.D. in

> collaboration with

> > the late M. Drue Denton, M.D. and co-workers at the Hematology

> Division of

> > the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, USA.8,9 This

> pioneering

> > research continued to:

> >

> > Identify high prevalence of neurologic disease in vitamin B12

> deficient

> > patients without anemia. 9-13

> > Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in older

> > populations.9,12-14

> > Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in

individuals

> with a

> > normal serum vitamin B12.14-16

> > Validate the urinary MMA test as a screening tool for identifying

> tissue B12

> > deficiency in older populations.14

> > Establish the first commercial laboratory (1985) for measuring

> normal levels

> > of MMA using gas chromatography mass spectrometry making the

assay

> an

> > available clinical test.

> > Establish the first Internet web site (1996) specifically for

> providing

> > mailing kits and information for the early, non-invasive

detection

> of

> > metabolic vitamin B12 deficiency.

> >

> > For test kit requests or more information

> > E-Mail NCL

> > or

> > Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

> > " Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the Lord of

> hosts "

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am not familar with the term you use EE panel; I just thought for

some Mothers's who couln't get to Doc. this www.b12.com test might be

conveninet. I am still searching for a particualar Vitamin B; when i

find this I will post the info on the groupl but just to say again

the only message I have is this:

CERTAIN NUTRITIONAL DEFICIENES LIKE A DEFICIENY OF VITMAIN B1 AND

VITMAIN B12 (just ot mention a few);

LOOK JUST LIKE

AUTISM (oh and the good news is: Vitamins reverse these symptons);

and this is my message; thankss chris; I hope to help a lot of kids;

(to avoid being misdiaagnoses and prescribed drugs inappropraitely. A.

)pps how is the vitamin B12 regieme going;WHAT BEST TYPE OF VIT. B12?

> > >

> > > Has anyone on this list actually used this test? How much did

it

> > cost? Do

> > > they send you a test kit and then you pay when you send it in?

> > Just

> > > curious how it works.

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

> > > It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency

> since

> > > treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with

> neurologic

> > > manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection

> > intramuscular (IM)

> > > of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for

6

> > months,

> > > and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using

high

> > amounts of

> > > oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However,

> adequate

> > response

> > > to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been

> > conclusively

> > > proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral,

> > intranasal

> > > B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12

> > absorption and

> > > assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue

> level.5

> > >

> > > For test kit requests or more information

> > > E-Mail NCL

> > > or

> > > Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

> > > Menu

> > > Home The Principle The Accuracy The Prevention The 1st Choice

The

> > Epidemic

> > > The History Who to Test? Cases Importance The Experts About NCL

> > References

> > > Testimonials FAQ Page

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

> > > B12.COM Brochure

> > > (Adobe Reader required)

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

> > > " If you're interested in personal health, public health, or you

> > just want to

> > > read an amazing story, I highly recommend this book. "

> > >

> > > Dr. Norman

> > > ---------------------------------

> > >

> > > Support a child from Uganda, East Africa. Click above for more

> > information.

> > >

> > > Welcome to Norman Clinical Laboratory, Inc. Norman Clinical

> > Laboratory, Inc.

> > > (NCL) provides a means to test individuals through the mail for

> > cobalamin

> > > (vitamin B12 ) deficiency. The test measures methylmalonic acid

> > (MMA) by

> > > selected ion monitoring isotope dilution gas chromatography mass

> > > spectrometry (GC/MS) in a random spot urine specimen. The MMA

> value

> > is

> > > normalized to urine creatinine to correct for urine dilution.

The

> > urinary

> > > MMA/creatinine ratio (uMMA) test is more accurate than the

blood

> > test as it

> > > indicates tissue/cellular B12 deficiency.

> > > This test is often used by physicians wishing to make a

> conclusive

> > diagnosis

> > > of vitamin B12 deficiency with a single test, individuals

> desiring

> > to be

> > > tested by mail from the privacy of their home, and

investigators

> > seeking to

> > > conduct the most valid research study.

> > > Vitamin B12 deficiency can cause dementia identical to early

stage

> > > Alzheimer's disease (AD). In addition, vitamin B12 deficiency

has

> > been

> > > implicated as a risk factor for developing AD. Vitamin B12

> > deficiency can

> > > also cause a wide range of neurologic and/or psychological

> > symptoms, anemia,

> > > and is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease. Early

detection

> and

> > > treatment usually with vitamin B12 injections can reverse

> > disability.

> > > Strict vegetarians and breast fed infants of vegans are at risk

> of

> > having

> > > B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 is found only in animal sources

such

> as

> > meat,

> > > fish, eggs and milk. Unless a person is a vegetarian, vitamin

B12

> > deficiency

> > > is usually caused from malabsorption due to lack of the stomach

> > protein,

> > > intrinsic factor, resulting in pernicious anemia. A mild type

B12

> > deficiency

> > > is found in some elderly individuals affected with atrophic

> > gastritis.

> > > Eating fortified cereals and/or taking multivitamin supplements

> may

> > > eliminate some B12 deficiency in this population 1,2 but yearly

> uMMA

> > > screening is still warranted.

> > >

> > > It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency

> since

> > > treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with

> neurologic

> > > manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection

> > intramuscular (IM)

> > > of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for

6

> > months,

> > > and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using

high

> > amounts of

> > > oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However,

> adequate

> > response

> > > to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been

> > conclusively

> > > proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral,

> > intranasal

> > > B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12

> > absorption and

> > > assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue

> level.5

> > >

> > > Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause elevated levels of serum

> > homocysteine

> > > (Hcys) which have been shown to be a risk factor for strokes,

> heart

> > attacks

> > > and /or blood clots.7

> > >

> > > The uMMA test was developed by J. Norman, Ph.D. in

> > collaboration with

> > > the late M. Drue Denton, M.D. and co-workers at the Hematology

> > Division of

> > > the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, USA.8,9 This

> > pioneering

> > > research continued to:

> > >

> > > Identify high prevalence of neurologic disease in vitamin B12

> > deficient

> > > patients without anemia. 9-13

> > > Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in older

> > > populations.9,12-14

> > > Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in

> individuals

> > with a

> > > normal serum vitamin B12.14-16

> > > Validate the urinary MMA test as a screening tool for

identifying

> > tissue B12

> > > deficiency in older populations.14

> > > Establish the first commercial laboratory (1985) for measuring

> > normal levels

> > > of MMA using gas chromatography mass spectrometry making the

> assay

> > an

> > > available clinical test.

> > > Establish the first Internet web site (1996) specifically for

> > providing

> > > mailing kits and information for the early, non-invasive

> detection

> > of

> > > metabolic vitamin B12 deficiency.

> > >

> > > For test kit requests or more information

> > > E-Mail NCL

> > > or

> > > Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

> > > " Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the Lord of

> > hosts "

> > >

> > >