RE: Re: This is a home test for A Vitmain B12 Deficiency; the website is: www.B12.com;

[Guest guest]

We just do a UTEE once a month and it tests for all essential elements as

well as cobalt (which is the marker for B-12 on this test). I like to do

this one because I can keep an eye on calcium and other minerals at the same

time it tests for metals excretion. It is from Doctors Data. Total cost of

UTEE with Dr. Yasko’s comments is $190. I am not sure if you have to have

done her genetics or not to order this testing. BUT you can also order

from Dr. Mullan in Calif and after a consult you can get the testing for

about ½ and insurance will cover most of the cost. Direct Labs used to let

you order testing w/o doc but I think they may have changed their rules.

Even after all of this dang B-12 that we baste him in he still only has

markers in the low Yellow on the test results for Cobalt….he is just one of

the ones that runs right through it. I can hardly wait for that “excellent”

she writes on the line when we get to higher levels! I would like to use

Labbio which tests for B- vitamins individually: www.Labbio.net

<http://www.labbio.net/> does a complete B- Vitamin profile for $220 but

alas it is with blood and I hate needles about as much as he does so that

one is a no-go for us. But check out labbio because you do not need a doc

for testing.

I very much believe in the B-12, I have seen a LOT of improvement over the

past year with the protocol in general and I think the TMG has been a WOW as

well. Now don’t go out and throw all of this B-12 at a kid at once or they

will be swinging from the chandeliers! We built up to this amount over a

year’s time. We pretty much use all of the supplements that Dana uses and

of course a few more per genetics, but Dana’s list pretty much has all of

the important stuff on it! We don’t supplement as heavily as some of the

Yasko folks mainly because of cost! But the B-12 in all forms is the MUST

have supplement at our house. If I could only keep one – it would be B-12.

We use: Intrincic B-12 – ½ per day (ground and mixed in juice)

Cyano – 3 per (2,500 mg) day (sublingual)

Hydroxy – 12 (1k) (sublingual – chewables)

Methyl B -4 per day and the (Methyl B- in the TMG and Folate

liquid from Kirkmans)

B-12 Patch – every other day. (between his shoulder blades at

night so he does not pull it off!)

Hydroxy – B-12 injections 2x a week. (in his butt in the dead

of night and he does not even wake up!)

We don’t use the nasal B-12 because he will have none of it. We also use a

higher mixture of folic, and folinic acid now to help with transport (thanks

Dana for suggestion that we needed to increase dose) he had finally stopped

the hyperactivity just like you said he would.

Possibly the test you are referring to is more accurate or tests for

individual forms of B-12, it will be interesting to “try” a test from

B-12.com and see what the results are.

Chris

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Anne

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:46 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: This is a home test for A Vitmain B12

Deficiency; the website is: www.B12.com;

Hi Chris:

Why not just go to the webiste; www.B12.com and read the info for

yourself; that is how i got the information; by reading the info.

The test costs $150 and is supposed to be a very accurate B12 test.

If you know of another test that is better or less expensive;

I pray you; please enlighten us; for we are all in this boat together.

>

> Has anyone on this list actually used this test? How much did it

cost? Do

> they send you a test kit and then you pay when you send it in?

Just

> curious how it works.

>

> Chris

>

> It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency since

> treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with neurologic

> manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection

intramuscular (IM)

> of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for 6

months,

> and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using high

amounts of

> oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However, adequate

response

> to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been

conclusively

> proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral,

intranasal

> B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12

absorption and

> assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue level.5

>

> For test kit requests or more information

> E-Mail NCL

> or

> Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

> Menu

> Home The Principle The Accuracy The Prevention The 1st Choice The

Epidemic

> The History Who to Test? Cases Importance The Experts About NCL

References

> Testimonials FAQ Page

> ---------------------------------

>

> B12.COM Brochure

> (Adobe Reader required)

> ---------------------------------

>

> " If you're interested in personal health, public health, or you

just want to

> read an amazing story, I highly recommend this book. "

>

> Dr. Norman

> ---------------------------------

>

> Support a child from Uganda, East Africa. Click above for more

information.

>

> Welcome to Norman Clinical Laboratory, Inc. Norman Clinical

Laboratory, Inc.

> (NCL) provides a means to test individuals through the mail for

cobalamin

> (vitamin B12 ) deficiency. The test measures methylmalonic acid

(MMA) by

> selected ion monitoring isotope dilution gas chromatography mass

> spectrometry (GC/MS) in a random spot urine specimen. The MMA value

is

> normalized to urine creatinine to correct for urine dilution. The

urinary

> MMA/creatinine ratio (uMMA) test is more accurate than the blood

test as it

> indicates tissue/cellular B12 deficiency.

> This test is often used by physicians wishing to make a conclusive

diagnosis

> of vitamin B12 deficiency with a single test, individuals desiring

to be

> tested by mail from the privacy of their home, and investigators

seeking to

> conduct the most valid research study.

> Vitamin B12 deficiency can cause dementia identical to early stage

> Alzheimer's disease (AD). In addition, vitamin B12 deficiency has

been

> implicated as a risk factor for developing AD. Vitamin B12

deficiency can

> also cause a wide range of neurologic and/or psychological

symptoms, anemia,

> and is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease. Early detection and

> treatment usually with vitamin B12 injections can reverse

disability.

> Strict vegetarians and breast fed infants of vegans are at risk of

having

> B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 is found only in animal sources such as

meat,

> fish, eggs and milk. Unless a person is a vegetarian, vitamin B12

deficiency

> is usually caused from malabsorption due to lack of the stomach

protein,

> intrinsic factor, resulting in pernicious anemia. A mild type B12

deficiency

> is found in some elderly individuals affected with atrophic

gastritis.

> Eating fortified cereals and/or taking multivitamin supplements may

> eliminate some B12 deficiency in this population 1,2 but yearly uMMA

> screening is still warranted.

>

> It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency since

> treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with neurologic

> manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection

intramuscular (IM)

> of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for 6

months,

> and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using high

amounts of

> oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However, adequate

response

> to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been

conclusively

> proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral,

intranasal

> B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12

absorption and

> assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue level.5

>

> Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause elevated levels of serum

homocysteine

> (Hcys) which have been shown to be a risk factor for strokes, heart

attacks

> and /or blood clots.7

>

> The uMMA test was developed by J. Norman, Ph.D. in

collaboration with

> the late M. Drue Denton, M.D. and co-workers at the Hematology

Division of

> the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, USA.8,9 This

pioneering

> research continued to:

>

> Identify high prevalence of neurologic disease in vitamin B12

deficient

> patients without anemia. 9-13

> Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in older

> populations.9,12-14

> Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in individuals

with a

> normal serum vitamin B12.14-16

> Validate the urinary MMA test as a screening tool for identifying

tissue B12

> deficiency in older populations.14

> Establish the first commercial laboratory (1985) for measuring

normal levels

> of MMA using gas chromatography mass spectrometry making the assay

an

> available clinical test.

> Establish the first Internet web site (1996) specifically for

providing

> mailing kits and information for the early, non-invasive detection

of

> metabolic vitamin B12 deficiency.

>

> For test kit requests or more information

> E-Mail NCL

> or

> Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

> " Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the Lord of

hosts "

>

>

[Guest guest]

It just seems pretty expensive to me when the entire EE panel is only $190.

What does one of their tests look like?

Chris

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of mothernaturerule

Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:03 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: This is a home test for A Vitmain B12

Deficiency; the website is: www.B12.com;

Yeah chris; the beauty of this Vitamin B12 test @ www.b12.com is:

This home B12 Test is a home Urine test; which you mail to the lab.

they can check the Urine for Vitamin B12 defieincies.

the test is $150 and you just seal the kid's urine in a little tube

and mail back to the company; I think this is a real deal myslef.

Because a Vitamin B12 Deficiney left untreated can result in the

disease of Pernicous Anemai; which can exaserbate to a bad disease;

if the Vitamin B12 is not given as a supplemnents; a shot; or IV;

CHRIS; I HAVE NOT LOCATED THE THIAMIEN VIT. B1 co. I was mentioning.

When I do find the best THIAMINE B1 and or Vitamin B-Complex I will

notify you through this forum. THIAMINE is oh soooo important; .

> >

> > Has anyone on this list actually used this test? How much did it

> cost? Do

> > they send you a test kit and then you pay when you send it in?

> Just

> > curious how it works.

> >

> > Chris

> >

> > It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency

since

> > treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with

neurologic

> > manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection

> intramuscular (IM)

> > of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for 6

> months,

> > and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using high

> amounts of

> > oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However,

adequate

> response

> > to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been

> conclusively

> > proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral,

> intranasal

> > B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12

> absorption and

> > assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue

level.5

> >

> > For test kit requests or more information

> > E-Mail NCL

> > or

> > Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

> > Menu

> > Home The Principle The Accuracy The Prevention The 1st Choice The

> Epidemic

> > The History Who to Test? Cases Importance The Experts About NCL

> References

> > Testimonials FAQ Page

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > B12.COM Brochure

> > (Adobe Reader required)

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > " If you're interested in personal health, public health, or you

> just want to

> > read an amazing story, I highly recommend this book. "

> >

> > Dr. Norman

> > ---------------------------------

> >

> > Support a child from Uganda, East Africa. Click above for more

> information.

> >

> > Welcome to Norman Clinical Laboratory, Inc. Norman Clinical

> Laboratory, Inc.

> > (NCL) provides a means to test individuals through the mail for

> cobalamin

> > (vitamin B12 ) deficiency. The test measures methylmalonic acid

> (MMA) by

> > selected ion monitoring isotope dilution gas chromatography mass

> > spectrometry (GC/MS) in a random spot urine specimen. The MMA

value

> is

> > normalized to urine creatinine to correct for urine dilution. The

> urinary

> > MMA/creatinine ratio (uMMA) test is more accurate than the blood

> test as it

> > indicates tissue/cellular B12 deficiency.

> > This test is often used by physicians wishing to make a

conclusive

> diagnosis

> > of vitamin B12 deficiency with a single test, individuals

desiring

> to be

> > tested by mail from the privacy of their home, and investigators

> seeking to

> > conduct the most valid research study.

> > Vitamin B12 deficiency can cause dementia identical to early stage

> > Alzheimer's disease (AD). In addition, vitamin B12 deficiency has

> been

> > implicated as a risk factor for developing AD. Vitamin B12

> deficiency can

> > also cause a wide range of neurologic and/or psychological

> symptoms, anemia,

> > and is a risk factor for cardiovascular disease. Early detection

and

> > treatment usually with vitamin B12 injections can reverse

> disability.

> > Strict vegetarians and breast fed infants of vegans are at risk

of

> having

> > B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 is found only in animal sources such

as

> meat,

> > fish, eggs and milk. Unless a person is a vegetarian, vitamin B12

> deficiency

> > is usually caused from malabsorption due to lack of the stomach

> protein,

> > intrinsic factor, resulting in pernicious anemia. A mild type B12

> deficiency

> > is found in some elderly individuals affected with atrophic

> gastritis.

> > Eating fortified cereals and/or taking multivitamin supplements

may

> > eliminate some B12 deficiency in this population 1,2 but yearly

uMMA

> > screening is still warranted.

> >

> > It is important to accurately diagnose vitamin B12 deficiency

since

> > treatment may be extensive. For example, individuals with

neurologic

> > manifestations, the recommendation is for a B12 injection

> intramuscular (IM)

> > of 1,000 micrograms daily for 2 weeks, then every two weeks for 6

> months,

> > and then monthly for life.3 Some physicians may treat using high

> amounts of

> > oral B124, intranasal B12 4A, or sublingual B12.5 However,

adequate

> response

> > to serious neurologic symptoms to oral therapy has not been

> conclusively

> > proven.6 Follow up uMMA levels on individuals receiving oral,

> intranasal

> > B12, or sublingual B12 will assess compliance as well as B12

> absorption and

> > assimilation for correction of B12 deficiency at the tissue

level.5

> >

> > Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause elevated levels of serum

> homocysteine

> > (Hcys) which have been shown to be a risk factor for strokes,

heart

> attacks

> > and /or blood clots.7

> >

> > The uMMA test was developed by J. Norman, Ph.D. in

> collaboration with

> > the late M. Drue Denton, M.D. and co-workers at the Hematology

> Division of

> > the University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, USA.8,9 This

> pioneering

> > research continued to:

> >

> > Identify high prevalence of neurologic disease in vitamin B12

> deficient

> > patients without anemia. 9-13

> > Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in older

> > populations.9,12-14

> > Identify high prevalence of metabolic B12 deficiency in

individuals

> with a

> > normal serum vitamin B12.14-16

> > Validate the urinary MMA test as a screening tool for identifying

> tissue B12

> > deficiency in older populations.14

> > Establish the first commercial laboratory (1985) for measuring

> normal levels

> > of MMA using gas chromatography mass spectrometry making the

assay

> an

> > available clinical test.

> > Establish the first Internet web site (1996) specifically for

> providing

> > mailing kits and information for the early, non-invasive

detection

> of

> > metabolic vitamin B12 deficiency.

> >

> > For test kit requests or more information

> > E-Mail NCL

> > or

> > Call toll free at 1-800-397-7408

> > " Not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the Lord of

> hosts "

> >

> >