Re: Re: Yeast treatment - need to get rid of all sugars?

[Guest guest]

I understand the need for reinforcement but soda is probably the worst thing you

could give any kid, very, very hard on the liver and has high amounts of high

fructose corn syrup, which creates lots of yeast.

Believe it or not the skittles with all their dyes and sugar and chemicals are

better than carbonated/colored/highfructose corn syrup.

[ ] Re: Yeast treatment - need to get rid of all sugars?

>

> I have started Threelac with my autistic son and wondering how much

we

> need to watch the sugar in his diet? He eats mostly meat, nuts, tofu

> and vegetables but we use soda (1 per day) and a modest amount of

> skittles as reinforcers for his ABA program. Will this amount of

> sugar be a problem while treating for yeast? Thanks.

>

> Dave

>

Get rid of the sugar.Why not try a sticker chart to earn a reward he

likes instead

[Guest guest]

I spoke with someone once who had bad yeast die-off and added a little sugar

back in to slow the process down because it was turning into a nightmare.

So I would recommend that if you remove all sugar, you taper off and not

remove it all at once.

Not that you asked, but I'm not a fan of ABA. I don't like giving kids

rewards for behaviors. I think it doesn't really work.

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[Guest guest]

I'm sorry you feel this way about ABA, but perhaps you are not fully aware of

how it works and why it works. It's not called a reward, it's called

reinforcement and I know many, many children, including my own who have

recovered with ABA alone. ABA is a scientifically proven method, an empirically

researched and fluid science that has benefitted children with autism enabling

them to have a productive say in their lives and to be educated successfully

with their NT peers. Another aspect of ABA that is critical is that it helps

with the neural synapsis required for brains to develop and pathways to grow and

combine for more complicated thought patterns. When the child's gray matter is

increasing it is very important to use thought patterns and problem solving

patterns created from the environment to keep the gray matter in place. If it is

not used them the opportunities are lost because the brain prunes itself when

neural synapsis are not developed. So

bashing ABA when you are not fully aware of all the consequences of a well

designed and implemented ABA is not fair to other parents whose children may

benefit from its implementation.

The world is not yet exhausted; let me see something tomorrow which I never saw

before.

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Re: [ ] Re: Yeast treatment - need to get rid of all

sugars?

I spoke with someone once who had bad yeast die-off and added a little sugar

back in to slow the process down because it was turning into a nightmare.

So I would recommend that if you remove all sugar, you taper off and not

remove it all at once.

Not that you asked, but I'm not a fan of ABA. I don't like giving kids

rewards for behaviors. I think it doesn't really work.

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>>So bashing ABA when you are not fully aware of all the consequences of a

well

designed and implemented ABA is not fair to other parents whose children may

benefit from its implementation.

I don't see how saying I don't personally like it is " bashing it " . And my

recollection is that somewhere in the archive, Andy Cutler indicates that

kids who were treated with ABA tend to grow up to be adults who are prone to

getting into abusive relationships. This makes perfect sense to me since

what I have heard about ABA indicates to me that it is all about getting the

child to act in a way that other people approve of, with no thought to

wondering what motivates the child to make the choices they make (regardless

of whether you call it " rewards " or " reinforcement " , it's the same thing

whatever the label: an attempt to manipulate the child into behaving a

certain way determined by other people to be " proper " , without regard for

what the child thinks about it). So it doesn't suprise me that a child who

gets taught " the proper way to act " with a method like ABA would then seek

out adult relationships with people who also want to run their lives -- ie

abusers.

Granted, how ABA is administered matters a whole lot. I am sure the people

involved make a huge difference. And granted there is plenty of sick sh*t

in this world and plenty of people in abusive relationships who weren't

treated with ABA. But I am not a fan of it and that's unlikely to change.

Peace.

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[Guest guest]

Our version of soda is seltzer water and fruit juice or a combination of

juices, with or without a squeeze of lemon or lime...

in MD

[ ] Re: Yeast treatment - need to get rid of all

sugars?

> If you absolutely must use soda, even if you continue to use it just

> to transition to something else, you might try finding Knudsen's

> natural sodas which don't contain high fructose corn syrup, dyes,

> etc. and have a lower carb content. The kids in our family love them

> on special occasions, you can usually find them at your local health

> food store, and they come in a long list of flavors. It's still a

> carbonated beverage, which is questtionable, but a healthier choice

> than the traditional sodas.

>

> G.

>

>

>> >

>> > I have started Threelac with my autistic son and wondering how

> much

>> we

>> > need to watch the sugar in his diet? He eats mostly meat, nuts,

> tofu

>> > and vegetables but we use soda (1 per day) and a modest amount

> of

>> > skittles as reinforcers for his ABA program. Will this amount

> of

>> > sugar be a problem while treating for yeast? Thanks.

>> >

>> > Dave

>> >

>> Get rid of the sugar.Why not try a sticker chart to earn a reward

> he

>> likes instead

>>

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

It was my understanding that any kind of carbination was harmful to the liver. I

have heard even allopathic GI drs warn not to give carbonated drinks to

children, messes with their livers.

[ ] Re: Yeast treatment - need to get rid of all sugars?

If you absolutely must use soda, even if you continue to use it just

to transition to something else, you might try finding Knudsen's

natural sodas which don't contain high fructose corn syrup, dyes,

etc. and have a lower carb content. The kids in our family love them

on special occasions, you can usually find them at your local health

food store, and they come in a long list of flavors. It's still a

carbonated beverage, which is questtionable, but a healthier choice

than the traditional sodas.

G.

> >

> > I have started Threelac with my autistic son and wondering how

much

> we

> > need to watch the sugar in his diet? He eats mostly meat, nuts,

tofu

> > and vegetables but we use soda (1 per day) and a modest amount

of

> > skittles as reinforcers for his ABA program. Will this amount

of

> > sugar be a problem while treating for yeast? Thanks.

> >

> > Dave

> >

> Get rid of the sugar.Why not try a sticker chart to earn a reward

he

> likes instead

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is my understanding, that it is the carbonation that is harmful to the

liver. As I wrote previously, we have a well known GI, just regular dr, not a

naturopath, but even he has said in no way would he let his child have

soda...any soda.

[ ] Re: Yeast treatment - need to get rid of all sugars?

I get my son's soda at health food store so it doesn't have high

fructose corn syrup. The types he drinks usually has cane sugar I

think. Is it the carbonation that is hard on the liver? Thanks.

Dave

> >

> > I have started Threelac with my autistic son and wondering how

much

> we

> > need to watch the sugar in his diet? He eats mostly meat,

nuts, tofu

> > and vegetables but we use soda (1 per day) and a modest amount

of

> > skittles as reinforcers for his ABA program. Will this amount

of

> > sugar be a problem while treating for yeast? Thanks.

> >

> > Dave

> >

> Get rid of the sugar.Why not try a sticker chart to earn a

reward he

> likes instead

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I really don't care that you are not a fan of ABA. But I do care when people

make remarks that may interfer with other parents seeking methods to help their

children. Especially when they are not accurate or reflective of the

methodology. Since reinforcement is not the same as rewarding then you really do

not understand the science of ABA. And your sugar remark is totally wrong and if

that is your experience then the BCBA did not follow the ethics codes that they

are required to follow. So if I see a wrong statement about ABA I will correct

it. I am a researcher doing some really cool stuff at the moment and a

developmentalist so this is an area in which I have a great deal of experience.

And since I am also a special-education advocate, I know that these types of

remarks are ones that school districts appreciate since it means that they do

not have to put in supports for our children that are effective and necessary.

Because these are the types of

remarks I have to face at IEP meetings for ASD children. And for me it is about

the children. Not about you.

The world is not yet exhausted; let me see something tomorrow which I never saw

before.

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[ ] Re: Yeast treatment - need to get rid of all sugars?

You know, I've clearly hit a nerve with my remark that " I am not a fan of

ABA " that three people so far have responded to that. Let me just clarify

that my point is that if you are giving sugary rewards full of dyes and

other crap to a child with autism as a means to address the problem, then

maybe the sugary rewards are part of the problem rather than part of the

solution. And if you really need to " reward " them, it doesn't have to be

with food. I am very against using food in that manner, especially

unhealthy foods. It creates psychologically powerful associations like

" eating sugar = I am loved " and I feel that is extremely dangerous and prone

to really negative long term consequences.

Anyway, if folks will be so good as to spare me a) attempts to " inform " me

on your assumption than I'm some ignoramus and your defense of how you

have chosen to live your life (as if I flippin' care or have some fantasy

you need my permission), I will spare you any further elaboration as to why

I personally dislike ABA.

Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

Kathleen, I really don't see how my remark that " I am not a fan of ABA " is

some " innaccurate statement about ABA " . I also don't think anyone on this

list is going to stop doing ABA because I made some off-the-cuff remark or

any school is going to use my remark to justify what they don't want to do

(and so on). If it's really about the kids, not me, then I think this

discussion should end here -- or should have never begun. It's clear to me

that it is the beginning of a firestorm of controversy, something I have

seen over and over on many lists and would like to put a stop to before it

gets too out of control because that's a helluva lot more harmful to people

here trying to get the information they need than some single sentence by

me. I really hate the tendency of groups to line up as " for X " and " against

X " and line up to defend or attack a single person (in this case me), etc.

I find it completely unproductive and a distraction from the purpose of such

lists.

Peace.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, carbonation is harmful to the bones (prevents the uptake of calcium) as

well as acidifies the lining of the stomach. I don't think an occasional soda is

the problem, but wouldn't want to be giving a small child a soda a day.

Ours eats just about everything, mostly a good diet but has candy, cake, ice

cream etc on occasion, but Pop is one thing she doesn't get.

[ ] Re: Yeast treatment - need to get rid of all sugars?

Dave,

I would pose the question about liver stress vs. soda to Andy. I do

know that carbonation is harmful to the bones, but that may be more in

adults than a child. (Can promote osteoporosis in adult females)

Probably not so great for teeth either. As for the liver, I've never

seen that in print anywhere. You might want to try to find the

Knudsen's which does not contain added sweetners and see if you can get

Andy's input on the degree of harm to the liver carbonation causes.

G.

>

> I get my son's soda at health food store so it doesn't have high

> fructose corn syrup. The types he drinks usually has cane sugar I

> think. Is it the carbonation that is hard on the liver? Thanks.

>

> Dave

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

in MD

[ ] Re: Yeast treatment - need to get rid of all

sugars?

> That's pretty much what Knudsen Spritzers are, fruit juice and

> carbonation. They have black cherry, lemon/lime, boysenberry,

> strawberry, raspberry, peach, mango and other flavors in case you are

> interested.

>

>

>> >>

>> >> I understand the need for reinforcement but soda is probably the

>> > worst thing you could give any kid, very, very hard on the liver

> and

>> > has high amounts of high fructose corn syrup, which creates lots

> of

>> > yeast.

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