Re: My son's main issues, not sure what will help.

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Sounds like some of his problems are related to the " obsessive-compulsive "

component of autism. It isn't unique to your son. I hope you are not offended

when I say that I wouldn't call it being " hardheaded " if I were you. It seems

to be a common thread in autism...that inability to accept change. My

daughter also used to have a meltdown when anyone came into the house. I bet

others

on the list can relate to what you described as well. It is cliche in our

circle but even the breakthrough movie " Rainman " clearly demonstrates the great

difficulty individuals with autism have with things not being as they think it

should be. My daughter will panic when things are not as they should be.

It's not willful bad behavior. Would you mind sharing with the group what kind

of therapies or interventions you have tried?

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I don't see anything specific in your list of things that target pathogens.

Targeting pathogens will get results quickly. Our kids seem to have various

pathogens (viruses, bad bacteria, protozoa, and yeast). I would treat for

all of them. Some parasite formulas also kill protozoa and viruses. I have

treated for all.

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Yes my son can be obsessive compulsive in many ways.

Maybe hardheaded was not the right choice of words, but he will

argue with the dog. I fully understand his or any of their

behaviors are not intended to be bad. I know most of the time there

is a underlying reason for the way he acts or things he does. That

is why I'm trying to find ways to help him.

Biomedical we do

Classical homeopathic

Herbs for mood (mindsooth Jr)

Herbs for adrenals (Adrenoboost)

Herbs for parasites-when needed (WW)

kelp

threelac

calcium, iron, magnesium, zinc in addition to multivitamin/mineral

Travacor

We also do the Ion Cleanse-pulls metals, yeast etc.

Special education, OT, PT and Speech.

Any suggestion what would be helpful for him?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

I posted about this earlier but you mentioning obsessive compulsive

made me think of my son's stimming. He stim according to the clock,

this would be obsessive compulsive, right?

I'm starting to think most of his problems are obsessive compulsive.

What helps with this?

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I don't think stimming is truly compulsive in the true sense of the DSM-IV dx of

Obsessive-Compulsive. In this diagnosis the compulsive behaviors are designed to

ward off evil or harm and I don't think that is the intended motive of stimming.

I also don't think that the obsessions I spoke about earlier meet the criteria

for OCD, either. I was kind of sort of using it as a shorthand so people would

know what I was talking about.

In both cases, stimming and the keen interest in objects the symptoms are more

of a result of neurological issues than a mental disorder, although the overlap

is sometimes hard to distinguish.

[ ] Re: My son's main issues, not sure what will help.

I posted about this earlier but you mentioning obsessive compulsive

made me think of my son's stimming. He stim according to the clock,

this would be obsessive compulsive, right?

I'm starting to think most of his problems are obsessive compulsive.

What helps with this?

[Guest guest]

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Maybe hardheaded was not the right choice of words, but he will

argue with the dog.

===>This *may* be more like Oppositional Defiant Disorder but entrenchment to

ideas or resistance to be corrected sometimes is a feature of Asperger's

disorder.

I fully understand his or any of their

behaviors are not intended to be bad. I know most of the time there

is a underlying reason for the way he acts or things he does. That

is why I'm trying to find ways to help him.

Biomedical we do

Classical homeopathic

Herbs for mood (mindsooth Jr)

Herbs for adrenals (Adrenoboost)

Herbs for parasites-when needed (WW)

kelp

threelac

calcium, iron, magnesium, zinc in addition to multivitamin/mineral

Travacor

We also do the Ion Cleanse-pulls metals, yeast etc.

Special education, OT, PT and Speech.

Any suggestion what would be helpful for him?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

P5P helped this problem in our house!

Wyndie

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> Maybe hardheaded was not the right choice of words, but he will

> argue with the dog.

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> ===>This *may* be more like Oppositional Defiant Disorder but

entrenchment to ideas or resistance to be corrected sometimes is a

feature of Asperger's disorder.

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Threelac is for yeast and WW for parasites. According to test

bacteria is not a problem. I gave him NCD for viruses but when he

was taking it he never wanted to go outside. It might of been

coincidence but everytime I started it he stopped wanting to go

outside, when I stopped it he would. He reacts to OLE. What else

could I give him for viruses? Should I give him something for

bacteria even though it does not show up on test?

Thanks

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> I don't see anything specific in your list of things that target

pathogens.

> Targeting pathogens will get results quickly. Our kids seem to

have various

> pathogens (viruses, bad bacteria, protozoa, and yeast). I would

treat for

> all of them. Some parasite formulas also kill protozoa and

viruses. I have

> treated for all.

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> Heidi n

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[Guest guest]

I just thought his stimming was OCD since he did it by the

clock. He just started that this summer. Before it was definately

something to calm him. Now he does it almost the exact same times

everyday.

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> I don't think stimming is truly compulsive in the true sense of

the DSM-IV dx of Obsessive-Compulsive. In this diagnosis the

compulsive behaviors are designed to ward off evil or harm and I

don't think that is the intended motive of stimming.

>

> I also don't think that the obsessions I spoke about earlier meet

the criteria for OCD, either. I was kind of sort of using it as a

shorthand so people would know what I was talking about.

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> In both cases, stimming and the keen interest in objects the

symptoms are more of a result of neurological issues than a mental

disorder, although the overlap is sometimes hard to distinguish.

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> [ ] Re: My son's main issues, not sure

what will help.

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> I posted about this earlier but you mentioning obsessive

compulsive

> made me think of my son's stimming. He stim according to the

clock,

> this would be obsessive compulsive, right?

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> I'm starting to think most of his problems are obsessive

compulsive.

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> What helps with this?

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It would depend, can he tell time? There is nothing in the diagnosis that talks

about the time the compulsion occurs. Again, it would be motivation if he can

articulate why he is stimming.

I do know that they use high dose inositol for OCD behaviors.

[ ] Re: My son's main issues, not sure

what will help.

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> I posted about this earlier but you mentioning obsessive

compulsive

> made me think of my son's stimming. He stim according to the

clock,

> this would be obsessive compulsive, right?

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> I'm starting to think most of his problems are obsessive

compulsive.

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> What helps with this?

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thanks for your help

He can tell time on the hour and half hour for sure. It would not

suprise me if he could tell time, he knows alot more than he acts

like he does. His stimming is twirling paper, I have asked him why

he wants paper and he just says he wants paper. I have asked him at

times if he wants paper-not at a time he normally stims-and he says

he does not want paper. Last year he would have taken the paper.

Thanks

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> > I don't think stimming is truly compulsive in the true sense

of

> the DSM-IV dx of Obsessive-Compulsive. In this diagnosis the

> compulsive behaviors are designed to ward off evil or harm and I

> don't think that is the intended motive of stimming.

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> > I also don't think that the obsessions I spoke about earlier

meet

> the criteria for OCD, either. I was kind of sort of using it as

a

> shorthand so people would know what I was talking about.

> >

> > In both cases, stimming and the keen interest in objects the

> symptoms are more of a result of neurological issues than a

mental

> disorder, although the overlap is sometimes hard to distinguish.

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> > [ ] Re: My son's main issues, not sure

> what will help.

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> > I posted about this earlier but you mentioning obsessive

> compulsive

> > made me think of my son's stimming. He stim according to the

> clock,

> > this would be obsessive compulsive, right?

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> > I'm starting to think most of his problems are obsessive

> compulsive.

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> > What helps with this?

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[Guest guest]

You have to realize that when they do testing, the only pathogens that will

show up on tests are the ones specifically tested for. They will only test

for some common pathogens, and the tests do not have high reliability. Also,

I have read over and over again about people testing negative for something,

and then doing the treatment as if they had it, and had great results.

Therefore, assume he has bad bacteria, viruses, yeast, protozoa, and worms.

De-worming is recommended first because the other pathogens can live and hide

in

the worms and then just reinfect the person. I also think its important to

have some digestion and anti-toxin type supplements, like digestive enzymes,

probiotics, and milk thistle. Vitamins, minerals, epsom-salt cream, buffered

C, extra niacin (flush-type only), extra D3, cod liver oil, methyl B12 will

help with getting the body to work correctly. Then go after the pathogens, use

your own judgement on which to do first. ly, the bacteria in my

opinion is the worst. But note that I have been reading about bacteria being

part

bacteria and part virus. Several remedies treat a group of pathogens. You

will have to just do them one by one and sometimes together to see how it

goes. Some antibacterials will only treat some bad bacteria and then maybe

also

some other types of pathogens. Everything seems to either overlap or is

effective only for a small part of the group. That's why its good to do

research, ask on forums and give yourself these supplements to experience the

effects yourself. I read daily of the miracles people are getting from herbs,

spices, supplements of various sorts. Yes, there is also side effects and

back-fires. Research not only the product, but also the manufacturer. Know

that

sometimes a child will do great on something and another child will not on the

same thing. My whole family does great on what I just mentioned, but there

is always one thing that I have to do different for each child.

You also mention that your child seems to regress on certain supplements.

That's where your research comes in. More likely than not, when you are

killing pathogens, you will get regression. It is often viewed as a good sign.

But this is not always. You really have to research, ask and pray for good

judgement.

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[Guest guest]

Whether or not the OCD symptoms are considered mental illness or biological

or with autism, they are still OCD behaviors and etiology is not a

determinate in order to call them OCD behaviors. Whether or not they are

caused by a

known medical problem or an unknown problem (then is labeled mental illness),

it is still very reversible. Rid toxins and pathogens. Miracles are

happening every day on this net.

Heidi N

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