Guest guest Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Not too fast, Natalia. Chelators should be increased only slowly. It is possible to have no or few side effects for a couple of rounds, and then suddenly be hit by them. I'd suggest waiting a half dozen rounds, and then move up - and when you move up, don't increase by more than about 50% (you increased by over 100% round over round). You also know, don't you, that you should not go over 1/2 a mg for each lb of bodyweight (about 1mg per Kg of bodyweight)? How much does he weigh. Dave. Posted by: " Natalia Ibbott " nvibbott@... nibbott Date: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:46 pm ((PDT)) I had two rounds of ALA for my son and he did really good. I'm wondering now how fast can I increase it. I started at 6 mg and then 12.5 mg next weekend. Prior to starting ALA we using DMSA and it took a while to get to 12.5 with DMSA. So now we 12.5 for DMSA and ALA and wondering how to go from there. DMSA little harder on my son, but ALA is fine. Is it ok to go up this weekend again? Thank to all advices Natalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Natalia, I just made the mistake of increasing my own dose quite a bit. I went to up to 25 mgs DMSA and 25 mgs ALA. I was also less than careful with my antioxidants. It hit me very, very hard. I'm not sure how big your son is, but 12.5 of each is very likely enough for quite some time. I am always very careful with my kids but I thought that the big increase wouldn't hurt me as I don't think I am as toxic. I was wrong. It was a very hard but good lesson for me. Remember, Andy has shown that doubling the dose does not double the excretion but it can more than double the side effects you feel. I went from no side effects and feeling good during chelation, to feeling horrible (huge headache, nausea, bloating, anxiety). This was not low minerals or yeast as people like to say when kids have a bad reaction to high doses. It was the high dose combined with my poor supplementing antioxidants. Anita > > I had two rounds of ALA for my son and he did really good. I'm > wondering now how fast can I increase it. I started at 6 mg and then > 12.5 mg next weekend. Prior to starting ALA we using DMSA and it took > a while to get to 12.5 with DMSA. > So now we 12.5 for DMSA and ALA and wondering how to go from there. > DMSA little harder on my son, but ALA is fine. Is it ok to go up this > weekend again? > Thank to all advices > Natalia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 How much does he weigh? S S ALA dosing Posted by: " Natalia Ibbott " nvibbott@... nibbott Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:46 pm (PDT) I had two rounds of ALA for my son and he did really good. I'm wondering now how fast can I increase it. I started at 6 mg and then 12.5 mg next weekend. Prior to starting ALA we using DMSA and it took a while to get to 12.5 with DMSA. So now we 12.5 for DMSA and ALA and wondering how to go from there. DMSA little harder on my son, but ALA is fine. Is it ok to go up this weekend again? Thank to all advices Natalia _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 My son is 4 yo and 36 lb. Thank you to all replies Natalia Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...> wrote: How much does he weigh? S S ALA dosing Posted by: " Natalia Ibbott " nvibbott@... nibbott Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:46 pm (PDT) I had two rounds of ALA for my son and he did really good. I'm wondering now how fast can I increase it. I started at 6 mg and then 12.5 mg next weekend. Prior to starting ALA we using DMSA and it took a while to get to 12.5 with DMSA. So now we 12.5 for DMSA and ALA and wondering how to go from there. DMSA little harder on my son, but ALA is fine. Is it ok to go up this weekend again? Thank to all advices Natalia _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Regards Natalia Ibbott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 When you get it up to 18mg, keep it there. Despite the wish to get the toxins out fast, slow and steady wins the race. Also be aware that yeast issues may crop up, so be prepared. S S Re: ALA dosing Posted by: " Natalia Ibbott " nvibbott@... nibbott Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:53 am (PDT) My son is 4 yo and 36 lb. Thank you to all replies Natalia How much does he weigh? S S ALA dosing Posted by: " Natalia Ibbott " nvibbott@... nibbott Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:46 pm (PDT) I had two rounds of ALA for my son and he did really good. I'm wondering now how fast can I increase it. I started at 6 mg and then 12.5 mg next weekend. Prior to starting ALA we using DMSA and it took a while to get to 12.5 with DMSA. So now we 12.5 for DMSA and ALA and wondering how to go from there. DMSA little harder on my son, but ALA is fine. Is it ok to go up this weekend again? Thank to all advices Natalia _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Ooph - Natalia, 12.5mg of each is more than enough. If I understand correctly, you have only done 2 rounds, one at 6mg + 6mg and the second at 12.5 + 12.5, am I right? The upper limit for him should be 18mg. If it were me, I would go back down to 6, and just do one chelator at a time. Try the DMSA for half a dozen rounds, then try the ALA on its own for a few rounds. Then consider combining them. The point is to test the waters carefully. As an adult, I can tell you that small differences in dose can be the difference between tolerable and the edge of sanity. Don't be in a rush here. This is a marathon, not a 100 meter sprint. Dave. ------------------ Posted by: " Natalia Ibbott " nvibbott@... nibbott Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:53 am ((PDT)) My son is 4 yo and 36 lb. Thank you to all replies Natalia Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...> wrote: How much does he weigh? S S ALA dosing Posted by: " Natalia Ibbott " nvibbott@... nibbott Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:46 pm (PDT) I had two rounds of ALA for my son and he did really good. I'm wondering now how fast can I increase it. I started at 6 mg and then 12.5 mg next weekend. Prior to starting ALA we using DMSA and it took a while to get to 12.5 with DMSA. So now we 12.5 for DMSA and ALA and wondering how to go from there. DMSA little harder on my son, but ALA is fine. Is it ok to go up this weekend again? Thank to all advices Natalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Dave, He are using DMSA for a while now since last September, and we went up to 12.5 mg very slowly, that was harder for my son. But ALA is easier for him, so went up to 12.5 in two weekends. He was fine during weekends, and little hyper last couple days. Don't know if it's related. Thank you for all advices from group Natalia Dave - AM & FDC Posts <mercury@...> wrote: Ooph - Natalia, 12.5mg of each is more than enough. If I understand correctly, you have only done 2 rounds, one at 6mg + 6mg and the second at 12.5 + 12.5, am I right? The upper limit for him should be 18mg. If it were me, I would go back down to 6, and just do one chelator at a time. Try the DMSA for half a dozen rounds, then try the ALA on its own for a few rounds. Then consider combining them. The point is to test the waters carefully. As an adult, I can tell you that small differences in dose can be the difference between tolerable and the edge of sanity. Don't be in a rush here. This is a marathon, not a 100 meter sprint. Dave. ------------------ Posted by: " Natalia Ibbott " nvibbott@... nibbott Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:53 am ((PDT)) My son is 4 yo and 36 lb. Thank you to all replies Natalia Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...> wrote: How much does he weigh? S S ALA dosing Posted by: " Natalia Ibbott " nvibbott@... nibbott Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:46 pm (PDT) I had two rounds of ALA for my son and he did really good. I'm wondering now how fast can I increase it. I started at 6 mg and then 12.5 mg next weekend. Prior to starting ALA we using DMSA and it took a while to get to 12.5 with DMSA. So now we 12.5 for DMSA and ALA and wondering how to go from there. DMSA little harder on my son, but ALA is fine. Is it ok to go up this weekend again? Thank to all advices Natalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Hi - I'm new to the group. I have a 7 year old autistic daughter. My doctor suggested we start TD-ALA. She said the best protocol was every 3 hours. Sorry for being ignorant, but does that mean around the clock? I didn't think so until I started reading some of the posts that talked about " night time. " Thank you so much. Lainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 > > Hi - > > I'm new to the group. I have a 7 year old autistic daughter. My > doctor suggested we start TD-ALA. She said the best protocol was every > 3 hours. Sorry for being ignorant, but does that mean around the clock? Yes. Using 4 hours during your sleeping period is usually OK. > I didn't think so until I started reading some of the posts that talked > about " night time. " > > Thank you so much. > Lainie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Hi Lainie, Welcome to the list. Yes, it means around the clock because it's based upon the half-life of the ALA and one wants to reduce redistribution of the toxic metals. During the night you can dose every 4 hours rather than every 3 hours because of the slowed metabolism during sleep. Chelate for at least 3 days (and nights) " on " and at least as many off. S S ALA Dosing Posted by: " rjkaa " lainiek@... rjkaa Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:07 pm (PDT) Hi - I'm new to the group. I have a 7 year old autistic daughter. My doctor suggested we start TD-ALA. She said the best protocol was every 3 hours. Sorry for being ignorant, but does that mean around the clock? I didn't think so until I started reading some of the posts that talked about " night time. " Thank you so much. Lainie _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Thanks you so much . I've got it now and plan on starting Monday. Lainie > > > Hi Lainie, > Welcome to the list. Yes, it means around the clock because it's based upon the half-life of the ALA and one wants to reduce redistribution of the toxic metals. During the night you can dose every 4 hours rather than every 3 hours because of the slowed metabolism during sleep. Chelate for at least 3 days (and nights) " on " and at least as many off. > S S > > ALA Dosing > Posted by: " rjkaa " lainiek@... rjkaa > Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:07 pm (PDT) > > Hi - > > I'm new to the group. I have a 7 year old autistic daughter. My > doctor suggested we start TD-ALA. She said the best protocol was every > 3 hours. Sorry for being ignorant, but does that mean around the clock? > I didn't think so until I started reading some of the posts that talked > about " night time. " > > Thank you so much. > Lainie > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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