Re: Info on sleep disturbances please

[Guest guest]

,

Before starting LDN (2 years ago) I was apprehensive about the vivid dreams everyone talked about. After starting LDN, my dreams were "normal" dreams, the same kind of dreams I had before my ms symptoms started. Personally, I think the issue with the dreams is that people don't have "normal" dreams when they're sick, so when the LDN kicks in and begins to help them heal, they begin to have "normal" dreams again. They seem "vivid" compared to the little bits and pieces of dreams, or the lack of dreams altogether, they had before they began healing again. Just my personal opinion Don't worry about the dreams.

In a message dated 9/2/2008 4:53:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, artist@... writes:

I’ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule as compounded by my local pharmacy.They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had no sleep disturbances and no change inmy Crohn’s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly advised me to call Skip which I did,I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful today. This was my ultimatum dose as permy Gastro’s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this script. Even though it isn’t hurting meHe won’t let me have it any more if this doesn’t work. Go figure.At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving probably wasn’t either mixed properly or wasn’tLDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he’s right as I am eager to start on this new batch tonight.I’m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?I’m not scared (LOL) I just don’t want to wake up firing my pistol at some imaginary monsters or something.Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on for what two weeks? I’m just not real clearOn what to expect but I guess I’ll find out because I know I can trust Skip’s Pharmacy. Any comments would begreatly appreciated. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

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I’ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule as compounded by my local pharmacy.

They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had no sleep disturbances and no change in

my Crohn’s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly advised me to call Skip which I did,

I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful today. This was my ultimatum dose as per

my Gastro’s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this script. Even though it isn’t hurting me

He won’t let me have it any more if this doesn’t work. Go figure.

At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving probably wasn’t either mixed properly or wasn’t

LDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he’s right as I am eager to start on this new batch tonight.

I’m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?

I’m not scared (LOL) I just don’t want to wake up firing my pistol at some imaginary monsters or something.

Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on for what two weeks? I’m just not real clear

On what to expect but I guess I’ll find out because I know I can trust Skip’s Pharmacy. Any comments would be

greatly appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Hi , I ordered my LDN from Skips too. I am having sleep disturbances. My dreams are not that bad. I had one really bad one where my cousin died. That particular dream had me in tears. I cried for about 5 minutes, and then I went back to sleep. I have had others but as not as bad. I started LDN Aug 9. My symptoms started improving then they started to decrease. That is what had me so bothered. But someone told me in the group today that sometimes with MS you go backwards then you start to feel better. I am currently on 3 mg of LDN at this time. The doctor that prescribed it to me, started me on 1.5 mg, then every 3 weeks I increase 1.5 mg until I get to the full dose. I hope this helps, .

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please

I¢ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule as compounded by my local pharmacy.They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had no sleep disturbances and no change inmy Crohn¢s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly advised me to call Skip which I did,I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful today. This was my ultimatum dose as permy Gastro¢s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this script. Even though it isn¢t hurting meHe won¢t let me have it any more if this doesn¢t work. Go figure.At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving probably wasn¢t either mixed properly or wasn¢tLDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he¢s right as I am eager to start on this new batch tonight.I¢m just concerned as I

live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?I¢m not scared (LOL) I just don¢t want to wake up firing my pistol at some imaginary monsters or something.Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on for what two weeks? I¢m just not real clearOn what to expect but I guess I¢ll find out because I know I can trust Skip¢s Pharmacy. Any comments would begreatly appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Holly. Interesting opinion. I’ve been preparing myself to fight dragons and save damsels in distress. I just hope this batch works.

On 9/2/08 5:19 PM, " HollyOak7@... " <HollyOak7@...> wrote:

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Before starting LDN (2 years ago) I was apprehensive about the vivid dreams everyone talked about. After starting LDN, my dreams were " normal " dreams, the same kind of dreams I had before my ms symptoms started. Personally, I think the issue with the dreams is that people don't have " normal " dreams when they're sick, so when the LDN kicks in and begins to help them heal, they begin to have " normal " dreams again. They seem " vivid " compared to the little bits and pieces of dreams, or the lack of dreams altogether, they had before they began healing again. Just my personal opinion Don't worry about the dreams.

In a message dated 9/2/2008 4:53:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, artist@... writes:

I’ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule as compounded by my local pharmacy.

They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had no sleep disturbances and no change in

my Crohn’s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly advised me to call Skip which I did,

I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful today. This was my ultimatum dose as per

my Gastro’s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this script. Even though it isn’t hurting me

He won’t let me have it any more if this doesn’t work. Go figure.

At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving probably wasn’t either mixed properly or wasn’t

LDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he’s right as I am eager to start on this new batch tonight.

I’m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?

I’m not scared (LOL) I just don’t want to wake up firing my pistol at some imaginary monsters or something.

Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on for what two weeks? I’m just not real clear

On what to expect but I guess I’ll find out because I know I can trust Skip’s Pharmacy. Any comments would be

greatly appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you a. Both my Gastro and Skip said I should go with the 4.5 MG due to my size at 6’1” and 196 lbs. All I know is that what I have been taking for two months I noticed absolutely nothing. I really hope Skip is right. I also heard that there is a slow release LDN and that it does not work. Possibly my previous pharmacist was using that. I don’t know. Just excited to start today!

On 9/2/08 5:21 PM, " a Nettles " <paulnet78@...> wrote:

Hi , I ordered my LDN from Skips too. I am having sleep disturbances. My dreams are not that bad. I had one really bad one where my cousin died. That particular dream had me in tears. I cried for about 5 minutes, and then I went back to sleep. I have had others but as not as bad. I started LDN Aug 9. My symptoms started improving then they started to decrease. That is what had me so bothered. But someone told me in the group today that sometimes with MS you go backwards then you start to feel better. I am currently on 3 mg of LDN at this time. The doctor that prescribed it to me, started me on 1.5 mg, then every 3 weeks I increase 1.5 mg until I get to the full dose. I hope this helps, .

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please

I’ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule as compounded by my local pharmacy.

They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had no sleep disturbances and no change in

my Crohn’s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly advised me to call Skip which I did,

I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful today. This was my ultimatum dose as per

my Gastro’s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this script. Even though it isn’t hurting me

He won’t let me have it any more if this doesn’t work. Go figure.

At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving probably wasn’t either mixed properly or wasn’t

LDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he’s right as I am eager to start on this new batch tonight.

I’m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?

I’m not scared (LOL) I just don’t want to wake up firing my pistol at some imaginary monsters or something.

Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on for what two weeks? I’m just not real clear

On what to expect but I guess I’ll find out because I know I can trust Skip’s Pharmacy. Any comments would be

greatly appreciated.

[Guest guest]

I don't think LDN changes what you dream.. Your subconscious takes care of that.If I'm not mistaken LDN just makes the dreams you would have anyway more vivid and you retain more memory of them.Anyway, that's my experience and I haven't gone for the gun yet.

Take Care,TonetteSPMSBeautiful Rocky Mountains, Colorado

From: a Nettles <paulnet78@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances pleaselow dose naltrexone Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 9:21 PM

Hi , I ordered my LDN from Skips too. I am having sleep disturbances. My dreams are not that bad. I had one really bad one where my cousin died. That particular dream had me in tears. I cried for about 5 minutes, and then I went back to sleep. I have had others but as not as bad. I started LDN Aug 9. My symptoms started improving then they started to decrease. That is what had me so bothered. But someone told me in the group today that sometimes with MS you go backwards then you start to feel better. I am currently on 3 mg of LDN at this time. The doctor that prescribed it to me, started me on 1.5 mg, then every 3 weeks I increase 1.5 mg until I get to the full dose. I hope this helps, .

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please

I¢ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule as compounded by my local pharmacy.They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had no sleep disturbances and no change inmy Crohn¢s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly advised me to call Skip which I did,I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful today. This was my ultimatum dose as permy Gastro¢s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this script. Even though it isn¢t hurting meHe won¢t let me have it any more if this doesn¢t work. Go figure.At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving probably wasn¢t either mixed properly or wasn¢tLDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he¢s right as I am eager to start on this new batch tonight.I¢m just concerned as

I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?I¢m not scared (LOL) I just don¢t want to wake up firing my pistol at some imaginary monsters or something.Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on for what two weeks? I¢m just not real clearOn what to expect but I guess I¢ll find out because I know I can trust Skip¢s Pharmacy. Any comments would begreatly appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your insight Tonette. If that’s the case then perhaps I’m in for a very enjoyable ride. (wink)

On 9/2/08 7:50 PM, " Tonette " <tonetteformico@...> wrote:

I don't think LDN changes what you dream.. Your subconscious takes care of that.

If I'm not mistaken LDN just makes the dreams you would have anyway more vivid and you retain more memory of them.

Anyway, that's my experience and I haven't gone for the gun yet.

Take Care,

Tonette

SPMS

Beautiful Rocky Mountains, Colorado

[Guest guest]

Hi

Please remember that YOU are in charge of your body, not your gastro!

If he chooses to not prescribe LDN anymore of course thats up to him

but it`s up to you if you want to continue it or not! There are

other means of getting LDN or you could maybe find a doctor that is

concerned about you and the things you want to do, and listen to your

preferences. They are supposed to work with you in an ideal world.

I dont think LDN will cure anything so he might have a long wait but

it can certainly help and any inprovement with any disease is

wonderful.

Good luck!

Bev

- In low dose naltrexone , Hudson <artist@...>

wrote:

>

>

> I¹ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule as

> compounded by my local pharmacy.

> They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had

no sleep

> disturbances and no change in

> my Crohn¹s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly

advised me

> to call Skip which I did,

>

> I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful

today. This

> was my ultimatum dose as per

> my Gastro¹s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this

script.

> Even though it isn¹t hurting me

> He won¹t let me have it any more if this doesn¹t work. Go figure.

>

> At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving

probably wasn¹t

> either mixed properly or wasn¹t

> LDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he¹s right as I

am eager

> to start on this new batch tonight.

>

> I¹m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances

usually

> horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?

> I¹m not scared (LOL) I just don¹t want to wake up firing my pistol

at some

> imaginary monsters or something.

> Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go

on for

> what two weeks? I¹m just not real clear

> On what to expect but I guess I¹ll find out because I know I can

trust

> Skip¹s Pharmacy. Any comments would be

> greatly appreciated.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great words of advice Bev and much appreciated! I heartily concur with every word you’ve written.

On 9/2/08 8:19 PM, " cat707k " <bevhk@...> wrote:

Hi

Please remember that YOU are in charge of your body, not your gastro!

If he chooses to not prescribe LDN anymore of course thats up to him

but it`s up to you if you want to continue it or not! There are

other means of getting LDN or you could maybe find a doctor that is

concerned about you and the things you want to do, and listen to your

preferences. They are supposed to work with you in an ideal world.

I dont think LDN will cure anything so he might have a long wait but

it can certainly help and any inprovement with any disease is

wonderful.

Good luck!

Bev

[Guest guest]

On the contrare.. vivid dreams is listed as an LDN side affect.. just

about every med i have taken has some affect on my dreams, so no the

subconscience doesnt take care of that... these meds alter chemicals,

thoughts, brain wave patterns etc.

monica

>

> From: a Nettles <paulnet78@...>

> Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please

> low dose naltrexone

> Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 9:21 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi , I ordered my LDN from Skips too. I am having sleep

disturbances.. My dreams are not that bad. I had one really bad one

where my cousin died.. That particular dream had me in tears. I cried

for about 5 minutes, and then I went back to sleep. I have had others

but as not as bad. I started LDN Aug 9. My symptoms started improving

then they started to decrease. That is what had me so bothered. But

someone told me in the group today that sometimes with MS you go

backwards then you start to feel better. I am currently on 3 mg of

LDN at this time. The doctor that prescribed it to me, started me on

1.5 mg, then every 3 weeks I increase 1.5 mg until I get to the full

dose. I hope this helps, .

>

>

>

> Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please

>

>

>

>

> I¢ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule

as compounded by my local pharmacy.

> They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had

no sleep disturbances and no change in

> my Crohn¢s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly

advised me to call Skip which I did,

>

> I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful

today. This was my ultimatum dose as per

> my Gastro¢s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this

script. Even though  it isn¢t hurting me

> He won¢t let me have it any more if this doesn¢t work. Go figure.

>

> At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving

probably wasn¢t either mixed properly or wasn¢t

> LDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he¢s right as I

am eager to start on this new batch tonight.

>

> I¢m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances

usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?

> I¢m not scared (LOL) I just don¢t want to wake up firing my pistol

at some imaginary monsters or something.

> Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go

on for what two weeks? I¢m just not real clear

> On what to expect but I guess I¢ll find out because I know I can

trust Skip¢s Pharmacy. Any comments would be

> greatly appreciated.

>

>   

>

[Guest guest]

,

On some people get sleep disturbances and mostly it's just vivid dreams.

I had them for 2 or 3 nights when I started and wish they'd come back as

I enjoyed them!!

Hudson wrote:

>

> I’m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances

> usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?

> I’m not scared (LOL) I just don’t want to wake up firing my pistol at

> some imaginary monsters or something.

> Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on

> for what two weeks? I’m just not real clear

> On what to expect but I guess I’ll find out because I know I can trust

> Skip’s Pharmacy. Any comments would be

> greatly appreciated.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I posted earlier of my first night. It was not bad at all. There were very

vivid dreams unlike my first two months on what I am guessing was inferior

or badly mixed product. However the dreams I had last night were very real

but they were not terrible in nature and like you say, " I enjoyed them. "

Thanks for your comments.

Best~

On 9/3/08 1:43 PM, " C " <covo@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> On some people get sleep disturbances and mostly it's just vivid dreams.

> I had them for 2 or 3 nights when I started and wish they'd come back as

> I enjoyed them!!

>

>

>

> Hudson wrote:

>>

>> I¹m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances

>> usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?

>> I¹m not scared (LOL) I just don¹t want to wake up firing my pistol at

>> some imaginary monsters or something.

>> Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on

>> for what two weeks? I¹m just not real clear

>> On what to expect but I guess I¹ll find out because I know I can trust

>> Skip¹s Pharmacy. Any comments would be

>> greatly appreciated.

>>

>>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

What I meant was that I don't think the subconcious is going to run amock because we're taking LDN.

Listing vivid dreams as a side effect doesn't mean we'll have nightmarish or night terror type dreams. At least I hope not.

I think the issues people are worried about is if they'll do or react to these dreams in ways they normally wouldn't or have such vivid/strange dreams that they'd do something dangerous in that dream state.. Wouldn't altering brain wave patterns be considered a pretty severe side effect, especially if it causes us to think or dream things we wouldn't normally think or do?

Not a doctor or even close but I thought LDN is about the immune system not altering brain wave patterns. I did ask my doc about this subject and she said that there were no worries as far as brain or chemical issues....depression, etc.

Any medical people have any info on this? Take Care,TonetteSPMSBeautiful Rocky Mountains, Colorado

From: momogem <momo333_@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Info on sleep disturbances pleaselow dose naltrexone Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 7:26 AM

On the contrare.. vivid dreams is listed as an LDN side affect.. just about every med i have taken has some affect on my dreams, so no the subconscience doesnt take care of that... these meds alter chemicals, thoughts, brain wave patterns etc.monica> >

From: a Nettles <paulnet78@. ..>> Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please> low dose naltrexone> Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 9:21 PM> > > > > > > > > Hi , I ordered my LDN from Skips too. I am having sleep disturbances. . My dreams are not that bad. I had one really bad one where my cousin died.. That particular dream had me in tears. I cried for about 5 minutes, and then I went back to sleep. I have had others but as not as bad. I started LDN Aug 9. My symptoms started improving then they started to decrease. That is what had me so bothered. But someone told me in the group today that sometimes with MS you go backwards then you start to feel better. I am currently on 3 mg of LDN at this

time. The doctor that prescribed it to me, started me on 1.5 mg, then every 3 weeks I increase 1.5 mg until I get to the full dose. I hope this helps, .> > > > Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please> > > > > I¢ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule as compounded by my local pharmacy.> They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had no sleep disturbances and no change in> my Crohn¢s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly advised me to call Skip which I did,> > I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful today. This was my ultimatum

dose as per> my Gastro¢s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this script. Even though it isn¢t hurting me> He won¢t let me have it any more if this doesn¢t work. Go figure.> > At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving probably wasn¢t either mixed properly or wasn¢t> LDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he¢s right as I am eager to start on this new batch tonight.> > I¢m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?> I¢m not scared (LOL) I just don¢t want to wake up firing my pistol at some imaginary monsters or something.> Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on for what two weeks? I¢m just not real clear> On what to expect but I guess I¢ll find out because I know I can trust Skip¢s Pharmacy. Any

comments would be> greatly appreciated.> > >

[Guest guest]

I had said before that the "in color" dreams are strange in a rather nice way. I haven't had any dreams that were scary in a way that worried me.

Enjoy the ride

Take Care,TonetteSPMSBeautiful Rocky Mountains, Colorado

I don't think LDN changes what you dream.. Your subconscious takes care of that.If I'm not mistaken LDN just makes the dreams you would have anyway more vivid and you retain more memory of them.Anyway, that's my experience and I haven't gone for the gun yet.Take Care,TonetteSPMSBeautiful Rocky Mountains, Colorado

[Guest guest]

again I will say this. the systems in your body all affect each other. I love those LDN dreams-that means your sleeping. sleeping is one of the most important thing  you can do for your body. It really is. sleeping is the most important thing we do for our mental health. anyone here used a nicotene patch-now those are vivid! yikes do we see warnings about this. no not at all. You are creating a healthier brain pattern. nothing wrong with that. (I'm learning all about biofeedback this week so I'll get back to you on that)for myself ldn has been better than ANY antidepressant I could take.I feel better and I have no side effects.I have patients in the hospital in work in -they have horrible side effects. cyndi CCyndi Lenzclenz@...http://www.tdgr2productions.comhttp://www.goldenrescuesouthflorida.com"Is colainn gan cheann duine gan anam cara"The highest calling is to be a soul friend St Brigid On Sep 3, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Tonette wrote:What I meant was that I don't think the subconcious is going to run amock because we're taking LDN.Listing vivid dreams as a side effect doesn't mean we'll have nightmarish or night terror type dreams. At least I hope not. I think the issues people are worried about is if they'll do or react to these dreams in ways they normally wouldn't or have such vivid/strange dreams that they'd do something dangerous in that dream state.. Wouldn't altering brain wave patterns be considered a pretty severe side effect, especially if it causes us to think or dream things we wouldn't normally think or do? Not a doctor or even close but I thought LDN is about the immune system not altering brain wave patterns.  I did ask my doc about this subject and she said that there were no worries as far as brain or chemical issues....depression, etc. Any medical people have any info on this? Take Care,TonetteSPMSBeautiful Rocky Mountains, Colorado--- On Wed, 9/3/08, momogem <momo333_hotmail> wrote:From: momogem <momo333_hotmail>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Info on sleep disturbances pleaselow dose naltrexone Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 7:26 AMOn the contrare.. vivid dreams is listed as an LDN side affect.. just about every med i have taken has some affect on my dreams, so no the subconscience doesnt take care of that... these meds alter chemicals, thoughts, brain wave patterns etc.monica> > From: a Nettles <paulnet78@. ..>> Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please> To: low dose naltrexone> Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 9:21 PM> > > > > > > > > Hi , I ordered my LDN from Skips too. I am having sleep disturbances. . My dreams are not that bad. I had one really bad one where my cousin died.. That particular dream had me in tears. I cried for about 5 minutes, and then I went back to sleep. I have had others but as not as bad. I started LDN Aug 9. My symptoms started improving then they started to decrease. That is what had me so bothered. But someone told me in the group today that sometimes with MS you go backwards then you start to feel better. I am currently on 3 mg of LDN at this time. The doctor that prescribed it to me, started me on 1.5 mg, then every 3 weeks I increase 1.5 mg until I get to the full dose. I hope this helps, .> > > > Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please> > > > > I¢ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule as compounded by my local pharmacy.> They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had no sleep disturbances and no change in> my Crohn¢s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly advised me to call Skip which I did,> > I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful today. This was my ultimatum dose as per> my Gastro¢s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this script. Even though  it isn¢t hurting me> He won¢t let me have it any more if this doesn¢t work. Go figure.> > At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving probably wasn¢t either mixed properly or wasn¢t> LDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he¢s right as I am eager to start on this new batch tonight.> > I¢m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?> I¢m not scared (LOL) I just don¢t want to wake up firing my pistol at some imaginary monsters or something.> Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on for what two weeks? I¢m just not real clear> On what to expect but I guess I¢ll find out because I know I can trust Skip¢s Pharmacy. Any comments would be> greatly appreciated.> >   >

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here is a simple explanation of brain waveshttp://www.web-us.com/brainwavesfunction.htmas human life forms they are changing according to what we are doingits very interesting stuff CCyndi Lenzclenz@...http://www.tdgr2productions.comhttp://www.goldenrescuesouthflorida.com"Is colainn gan cheann duine gan anam cara"The highest calling is to be a soul friend St Brigid. 

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The paperwork that came with my Skip’s LDN said sleep disturbances, anxiety, insomnia, lethargy or suicidal ideation are possible side effects but that they are minimal. They listed other possible side effects as well but none played to our emotional well being. When I mentioned the drug the other day to my girlfriend who is an RN the first thing she mentioned is depression and/or anxiety. I feel fine so far. Now where is that darn butcher knife?!! Just kiddin’

Interesting thread.

On 9/3/08 7:25 PM, " Cyndi Lenz " <psychrn@...> wrote:

again I will say this. the systems in your body all affect each other. I love those LDN dreams-that means your sleeping. sleeping is one of the most important thing  you can do for your body. It really is. sleeping is the most important thing we do for our mental health. 

anyone here used a nicotene patch-now those are vivid! yikes do we see warnings about this. no not at all. You are creating a healthier brain pattern. nothing wrong with that. (I'm learning all about biofeedback this week so I'll get back to you on that)

for myself ldn has been better than ANY antidepressant I could take.I feel better and I have no side effects.

I have patients in the hospital in work in -they have horrible side effects. 

cyndi

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On Sep 3, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Tonette wrote:

What I meant was that I don't think the subconcious is going to run amock because we're taking LDN.

Listing vivid dreams as a side effect doesn't mean we'll have nightmarish or night terror type dreams. At least I hope not. 

I think the issues people are worried about is if they'll do or react to these dreams in ways they normally wouldn't or have such vivid/strange dreams that they'd do something dangerous in that dream state.. Wouldn't altering brain wave patterns be considered a pretty severe side effect, especially if it causes us to think or dream things we wouldn't normally think or do? 

Not a doctor or even close but I thought LDN is about the immune system not altering brain wave patterns.  I did ask my doc about this subject and she said that there were no worries as far as brain or chemical issues....depression, etc. 

Any medical people have any info on this? 

Take Care,

Tonette

SPMS

Beautiful Rocky Mountains, Colorado

--- On Wed, 9/3/08, momogem <momo333_@...> wrote:

From: momogem <momo333_@...>

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Info on sleep disturbances please

low dose naltrexone

Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 7:26 AM

On the contrare.. vivid dreams is listed as an LDN side affect.. just 

about every med i have taken has some affect on my dreams, so no the 

subconscience doesnt take care of that... these meds alter chemicals, 

thoughts, brain wave patterns etc.

monica

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> From: a Nettles <paulnet78@. ..>

> Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please

> To: low dose naltrexone <mailto:low dose naltrexone%40>

> Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 9:21 PM

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> Hi , I ordered my LDN from Skips too. I am having sleep 

disturbances. . My dreams are not that bad. I had one really bad one 

where my cousin died.. That particular dream had me in tears. I cried 

for about 5 minutes, and then I went back to sleep. I have had others 

but as not as bad. I started LDN Aug 9. My symptoms started improving 

then they started to decrease. That is what had me so bothered. But 

someone told me in the group today that sometimes with MS you go 

backwards then you start to feel better. I am currently on 3 mg of 

LDN at this time. The doctor that prescribed it to me, started me on 

1.5 mg, then every 3 weeks I increase 1.5 mg until I get to the full 

dose. I hope this helps, .

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> Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please

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> I¢ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule 

as compounded by my local pharmacy.

> They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had 

no sleep disturbances and no change in

> my Crohn¢s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly 

advised me to call Skip which I did,

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> I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful 

today. This was my ultimatum dose as per

> my Gastro¢s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this 

script. Even though  it isn¢t hurting me

> He won¢t let me have it any more if this doesn¢t work. Go figure.

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> At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving 

probably wasn¢t either mixed properly or wasn¢t

> LDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he¢s right as I 

am eager to start on this new batch tonight.

> 

> I¢m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances 

usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?

> I¢m not scared (LOL) I just don¢t want to wake up firing my pistol 

at some imaginary monsters or something.

> Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go 

on for what two weeks? I¢m just not real clear

> On what to expect but I guess I¢ll find out because I know I can 

trust Skip¢s Pharmacy. Any comments would be

> greatly appreciated.

> 

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[Guest guest]

LOL

I agree. I'm off antidepressants and my emotional health is better than it has been in a long, long time. Part of it could very well be that this is the first time I've had hope for something to actually help instead of knocking the crud out of me.

I guess as long as I feel better it's worth any small risks. I took 3 of the CRAB drugs for years and survived that so this is like heaven.

Health and happiness to all!!

Take Care,TonetteSPMSBeautiful Rocky Mountains, Colorado

From: momogem <momo333_hotmail (DOT) com>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Info on sleep disturbances pleaselow dose naltrexoneDate: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 7:26 AMOn the contrare.. vivid dreams is listed as an LDN side affect.. just about every med i have taken has some affect on my dreams, so no the subconscience doesnt take care of that... these meds alter chemicals, thoughts, brain wave patterns etc.monica> > From: a Nettles <paulnet78@. ..>> Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please> lowdosenaltrexon e <mailto:lowdosenaltr exone%40gro ups.com> > Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 9:21 PM> > > > > > > > > Hi , I ordered my LDN from Skips too. I am having sleep disturbances. . My

dreams are not that bad. I had one really bad one where my cousin died.. That particular dream had me in tears. I cried for about 5 minutes, and then I went back to sleep. I have had others but as not as bad. I started LDN Aug 9. My symptoms started improving then they started to decrease. That is what had me so bothered. But someone told me in the group today that sometimes with MS you go backwards then you start to feel better. I am currently on 3 mg of LDN at this time. The doctor that prescribed it to me, started me on 1.5 mg, then every 3 weeks I increase 1.5 mg until I get to the full dose. I hope this helps, .> > > > Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please> > > > > I¢ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule as compounded by my local pharmacy.> They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had no sleep disturbances and no change in> my Crohn¢s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly advised me to call Skip which I did,> > I just received a three month supply of which I am so grateful today. This was my ultimatum dose as per> my Gastro¢s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this script. Even though it isn¢t hurting me> He won¢t let me have it any more if this doesn¢t work. Go figure.> > At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving probably wasn¢t either mixed properly or

wasn¢t> LDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he¢s right as I am eager to start on this new batch tonight.> > I¢m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?> I¢m not scared (LOL) I just don¢t want to wake up firing my pistol at some imaginary monsters or something.> Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on for what two weeks? I¢m just not real clear> On what to expect but I guess I¢ll find out because I know I can trust Skip¢s Pharmacy. Any comments would be> greatly appreciated.> > >

[Guest guest]

Geez, and I thought I was numb from the neck up.

Thanks for the info.Take Care,TonetteSPMSBeautiful Rocky Mountains, Colorado

From: Cyndi Lenz <psychrn@...>Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances pleaselow dose naltrexone Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 11:30 PM

here is a simple explanation of brain waves

http://www.web- us.com/brainwave sfunction. htm

as human life forms they are changing according to what we are doing

its very interesting stuff

CCyndi Lenz

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[Guest guest]

I know. I'm thankful for sleep. I've read some of the posts from people who don't sleep and I really feel for them. I had severe insomniia for years and am soooo happy it seems to have passed.Take Care,TonetteSPMSBeautiful Rocky Mountains, Colorado

From: momogem <momo333_hotmail (DOT) com>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Info on sleep disturbances pleaselow dose naltrexoneDate: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 7:26 AM

On the contrare.. vivid dreams is listed as an LDN side affect.. just about every med i have taken has some affect on my dreams, so no the subconscience doesnt take care of that... these meds alter chemicals, thoughts, brain wave patterns etc.monica> > From: a Nettles <paulnet78@. ..>> Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please> low dose naltrexone> Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 9:21 PM> > > > > > > > > Hi , I ordered my LDN from Skips too. I am having sleep disturbances. . My dreams are not that bad. I had one really bad one where my cousin died.. That particular dream had me in tears. I cried for about 5 minutes, and then I went back to sleep. I have had others but as not as bad. I started LDN Aug 9. My symptoms started improving then they started to decrease. That is what had me so bothered. But someone told me in the group today that sometimes with MS you go backwards then you start to feel better. I am currently on 3 mg of LDN at this time. The doctor that prescribed it to me, started me on 1.5 mg, then every 3 weeks I increase 1.5 mg until I get to the full dose. I hope this helps, .> > > > Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please> > > > > I¢ve taken two months worth of LDN in a lactose free base capsule as compounded by my local pharmacy.> They had to order the LDN for the initial fill. At any rate I had no sleep disturbances and no change in> my Crohn¢s at all. This greatly concerned me and someone kindly advised me to call Skip which I did,> > I just received a three month supply of which I am so

grateful today. This was my ultimatum dose as per> my Gastro¢s remarks to pull me off LDN if I am not cured after this script. Even though it isn¢t hurting me> He won¢t let me have it any more if this doesn¢t work. Go figure.> > At any rate in talking to Skip he said what I was receiving probably wasn¢t either mixed properly or wasn¢t> LDN since I had no sleep disturbances. Gosh I hope he¢s right as I am eager to start on this new batch tonight.> > I¢m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances usually horrible in nature or just vivid

dreams?> I¢m not scared (LOL) I just don¢t want to wake up firing my pistol at some imaginary monsters or something.> Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on for what two weeks? I¢m just not real clear> On what to expect but I guess I¢ll find out because I know I can trust Skip¢s Pharmacy. Any comments would be> greatly appreciated.> > >

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Im into week #6 on LDN. I had vivid dreams for the first 2-3 weeks, and now they are gone. I thought I was the only one that liked them, so I didnt say anything LOL. But Im seeing there are others that like them too! I only remember one that made me wake up because I was crying (cant remember the scenario) and another which was my favorite....in that one I took my neighbor's sports car out for a spin without his permission, ran into my X and told him I was afraid to go back because we had gotten a dusting of snow and my neighbor would see the tire tracks when I tried to sneak it back in. Talk about details! I didnt know how to explain what I had done. I do remember feeling a bit stressed that Id get arrested LMAO. So look forward to trying LDN and maybe you will like your dreams like some of us...

Sheila in NH

<the systems in your body all affect each other. I love those LDN dreams-that means your sleeping>

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Hi,

only 20 % of us gets sleep disturbances in one way or another.

Some sleeps to much (I do)

Some gets vivid dreams. Mine are sometimes scaring, but more often funny. Or interesting.

Some can't sleep at night and may need melatonin or herbs to help themselves.

Some wake up when the endorphines are at their peak - around 2 in the morning and feel wide awake for an hour or less.

Some wake up later than that.

I think (guess) that most of us sleep enough, anyway.

I sleep more, heavier, dream more and am tired during the day, and need a nap every afternoon since started with ldn 1 year ago. But this could be due to the disease itself...or because I am getting older.....lol.--

Ingrid

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please,On some people get sleep disturbances and mostly it's just vivid dreams. I had them for 2 or 3 nights when I started and wish they'd come back as I enjoyed them!! Hudson wrote:>> I¢m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances > usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?> I¢m not scared (LOL) I just don¢t want to wake up firing my pistol at > some imaginary monsters or something.> Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on > for what two weeks? I¢m just not real clear> On what to expect

but I guess I¢ll find out because I know I can trust > Skip¢s Pharmacy. Any comments would be> greatly appreciated.>> ------------------------------------

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I know that a few people have

had some sleep disturbances, I don't think that they last long. I

have never had any sleep issues at all and, I wouldn't let that keep

you from at least trying LDN.

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> > I¢m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep

disturbances

> > usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?

> > I¢m not scared (LOL) I just don¢t want to wake up firing my

pistol at

> > some imaginary monsters or something.

> > Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go

on

> > for what two weeks? I¢m just not real clear

> > On what to expect but I guess I¢ll find out because I know I can

trust

> > Skip¢s Pharmacy. Any comments would be

> > greatly appreciated.

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Just a question:

Is there any way you could use larger type when sending messages? I

have a REALLY difficult time reading the very tiny print. Thanks a lot.

Phil

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> > I¢m just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances

> > usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?

> > I¢m not scared (LOL) I just don¢t want to wake up firing my pistol at

> > some imaginary monsters or something.

> > Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on

> > for what two weeks? I¢m just not real clear

> > On what to expect but I guess I¢ll find out because I know I can

trust

> > Skip¢s Pharmacy. Any comments would be

> > greatly appreciated.

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A friend just started her daughter on 3.5mg LDN for treating Crohn's,

the pharmacist didn't prepare ramping up capsules, the child can't do

the cream due to reactions to the base inredients and the capsules

have some sort of oily substance w them making splitting by the mom

impossible w/o thowing 1/2 away.

She didn't want to waste the capsules so she decided to just start at

full dose. The child was wired at midnight last night. I remember

people saying this is more likely when you don't do a slow ramp up.

How long is the sleep disturbance likely to last? I'm guessing as

soon as the adjustment happens this issue will go away but I'm not

sure if that means a week or a month...

Thanks for any input.

near LAX

On 9/14/08, Gunn Dybfest <gunn.ingrid@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> only 20 % of us gets sleep disturbances in one way or another.

> Some sleeps to much (I do)

> Some gets vivid dreams. Mine are sometimes scaring, but more often funny. Or

> interesting.

> Some can't sleep at night and may need melatonin or herbs to help

> themselves.

> Some wake up when the endorphines are at their peak - around 2 in the

> morning and feel wide awake for an hour or less.

> Some wake up later than that.

> I think (guess) that most of us sleep enough, anyway.

> I sleep more, heavier, dream more and am tired during the day, and need a

> nap every afternoon since started with ldn 1 year ago. But this could be due

> to the disease itself...or because I am getting older.....lol.--

>

>

>

> Ingrid

>

>

>

> Re: [low dose naltrexone] Info on sleep disturbances please

>

> ,

>

> On some people get sleep disturbances and mostly it's just vivid dreams.

> I had them for 2 or 3 nights when I started and wish they'd come back as

> I enjoyed them!!

>

>

>

> Hudson wrote:

>>

>> I'm just concerned as I live by myself. Are the sleep disturbances

>> usually horrible in nature or just vivid dreams?

>> I'm not scared (LOL) I just don't want to wake up firing my pistol at

>> some imaginary monsters or something.

>> Are you generally exhausted the following day? And this should go on

>> for what two weeks? I'm just not real clear

>> On what to expect but I guess I'll find out because I know I can trust

>> Skip's Pharmacy. Any comments would be

>> greatly appreciated.

>>

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