Re: Disgusting Time Magazine cover

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Hello

2008/6/6 Jada <paxlforme@...>:

> I don't lie about it at all, I had them a copy of my notarize religous

> exemption and simply state, vaccination is against our beliefs. The

> rest is really none of their business.

My sister opted for single jabs. My local autism group helped me find

the information i needed on this. i think even the NAS (uk) is on the

fence about whether they cause autism or not.

>

> You could also say " up to date according to who? God or man? I only

> answer to God, so yes...he's up to date "

ROFL

--

is

[Guest guest]

> before you know it...your child has long-term damage

> from repeated insults. It's really a form of abuse.

Yes. Vaccines are medical child abuse.

Pediatricians are sickos who like to strip little kids naked and stick needles

in them.

Obviously quite an exaggeration, but juxtapose it with the equally absurd

exaggeration

that all doctors are totally selfless saintlike people who only care about what

is best for us

and you'll be more able to make rational decisions.

Andy

[Guest guest]

It never occurred to me just to say " vaxing is against our beliefs " ,

but that is completely honest! Thank you for the idea!

-Sierra

>

> I don't lie about it at all, I had them a copy of my notarize religous

> exemption and simply state, vaccination is against our beliefs. The

> rest is really none of their business.

>

> You could also say " up to date according to who? God or man? I only

> answer to God, so yes...he's up to date "

>

[Guest guest]

Its also how you bring your sales forward.

Soliday wrote:

>

> I definitely agree with this. Why else would there be birth

> vaccines. A little kid can't tell you how he/she feels, you aren't

> told what a mild allergic reaction looks like - or signs of

> encephalitis, so before you know it...your child has long-term damage

> from repeated insults. It's really a form of abuse.

>

>

> >

> >

> > The schedule is so aggressive in part, because they figure parents

> will hear the truth and not complete the vaccine series, so they try

> to get as many in as early as they can.

> > S S

> >

> >

> > Re: Disgusting Time Magazine cover

> > Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@... orelindel

> > Thu Jun 5, 2008 6:01 am (PDT)

> >

> > Check out the Time article and the picture of the baby. He's only 6

> > weeks old and he's getting 5 immunizations. I remember the day I

> > questioned the pediatrician about the five my DD was scheduled to

> > receive. I asked him to spread them out over 2 weeks. 2 one day and

> 3

> > later. This was prompted when he said that they would inject my DD

> > arms instead of her legs because little ones sometimes stop walking

> > due to the discomfort. Why is the schedule so aggressive, early,

> > toxic? I won't be put her at risk again.

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Wow - well said, Jada. My kids ARE up to date on their vaccines to this point

but from now on, I will " pick and choose " when and what they are to receive. I

wore my " Green Our Vaccines " shirt today - to 's therapy (no response,

which disappointed me) preschool, the grocery store (about 6 mom's looked at me

like I was crazy), the hardware store (no-one noticed) and the health food store

(one smile, one wink and one thumbs up, but no conversation).

I guess I was thinking it would be easier to lie, but instead, I'll screw up my

courage, remember the photos and defy.

Dana C.

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From: " Jada " <paxlforme@...>

I don't lie about it at all, I had them a copy of my notarize religous

exemption and simply state, vaccination is against our beliefs. The

rest is really none of their business.

You could also say " up to date according to who? God or man? I only

answer to God, so yes...he's up to date "

> > >

> > > Hello

> > >

> > > 2008/6/5 Marty Landman <marty@>:

> > > >

> > > >> Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@ orelindel

> > > >> Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 5:17 am ((PDT))

> > > >>

> > > >>Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines

> work,

> > > >>then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those

> > who

> > > >>choose not to vaccinate.

> > > >

> > > > This twisted logic of how the few who choose not to vaccinate

> are

> > > > endangering the many who do vaccinate has been around for some

> > years

> > > > afaik - maybe it's a response to a growing community of those

> > choosing not to?

> > >

> > > Personally natural immune support and a return to organic farming

> > > would be 10 times better than pushing the vaccines. All

> governments

> > > care about is saving money at any cost.

> > > >

> > > > Barring a successful effort to force vaccinations the next step

> > may

> > > > be adding additional boosters to the schedule because of the

> > supposed

> > > > increased risk of the great unwashed, er I mean unvaccinated.

> > >

> >

[Guest guest]

We've lied. When we go to the er or urgent care (which is rare) we

do lie, because around here they treat your child and you differently

when they find out you don't vax. We sit longer, end up with more

aggressive doctors, and my sons don't get the care they deserve.

When I take them to the actual doctor for their check ups I have to

tell them though. And it never fails I end up in a debate with

them. Last year they told me they wouldn't fill out my sons forms

for his physical form for school if I don't vaccinate. 99% of the

doctors I called said this was their policy as well.

When I delivered my second they treated me like a criminal after I

informed them we wouldn't be getting the HepB vaccine. I've never

been treated so horrible in my life.

Angie

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > 2008/6/5 Marty Landman <marty@>:

> > >

> > >> Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@ orelindel

> > >> Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 5:17 am ((PDT))

> > >>

> > >>Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines

work,

> > >>then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those

> who

> > >>choose not to vaccinate.

> > >

> > > This twisted logic of how the few who choose not to vaccinate

are

> > > endangering the many who do vaccinate has been around for some

> years

> > > afaik - maybe it's a response to a growing community of those

> choosing not to?

> >

> > Personally natural immune support and a return to organic farming

> > would be 10 times better than pushing the vaccines. All

governments

> > care about is saving money at any cost.

> > >

> > > Barring a successful effort to force vaccinations the next step

> may

> > > be adding additional boosters to the schedule because of the

> supposed

> > > increased risk of the great unwashed, er I mean unvaccinated.

> >

> > LOL well put.

> > >

> > > We just signed up our daughter for the local rec program this

> summer

> > > and they had a vaccine waiver form - we're in NYS fwiw - for us

> to

> > > fill out which asked for a detailed explanation of why we didn't

> > > vaccinate, how long we've done this, and whether it applies to

> some

> > > or all vaccines. Their questions ended up being a paragraph

long,

> but

> > > we knew enough to simply state:

> > >

> > > " We do not vaccinate because it violates our deepest and

sincerest

> > > religious beliefs "

> > >

> > > Funny thing is they read that and didn't say a word. Hmm.

> >

> > Well done, i will tell other parents about this if they have this

> problem.

> > >

> > > Marty

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > is

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Wow - well said, Jada. My kids ARE up to date on their vaccines to this point

but from

now on, I will " pick and choose " when and what they are to receive.

My suggestion is none for the indefinite future.

The biggest problem is that since the government, medical establishment and

vaccine

court are actively trying to hide the risks it isn't possible to make an

informed or

responsible decision to vaccinate.

Andy

[Guest guest]

Hello

i met a gp today and asked if vaccines cause autism. He said no due to

Wakefields forged results.

i even mentioned i was chelating myself as i was still undecided

whether or not it was a contributory factor. i mentioned that i didnt

react badly to sirens of ambulances anymore and got less light related

headaches.

i mentioned Cutler and amalgam illness book. i try to educate

people i meet. i did ask him before i started asking a controversial

question.

is

[Guest guest]

Ask him about Ip and Wong's faked results, as reported by DeSoto and Hitlan in

the

Journal of Child Neurology in November 2007, which when reported accurately

conclusively prove (according to MD logic, anyway, not necessarily mine) that

mercury

causes autism.

Andy

>

> Hello

>

> i met a gp today and asked if vaccines cause autism. He said no due to

> Wakefields forged results.

>

> i even mentioned i was chelating myself as i was still undecided

> whether or not it was a contributory factor. i mentioned that i didnt

> react badly to sirens of ambulances anymore and got less light related

> headaches.

>

> i mentioned Cutler and amalgam illness book. i try to educate

> people i meet. i did ask him before i started asking a controversial

> question.

>

> is

>

[Guest guest]

...and the latest IMFAR primate mercury study, Burbacher, & nbsp;and the list

conttinues, but the media never reports.

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& nbsp;

*Pediatric Vaccines Influence Primate Behavior, and Amygdala Growth and

Opioid Ligand Binding Friday*, May 16, 2008: IMFAR

/L. Hewitson , Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Sciences,

University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA B. Lopresti , Radiology,

University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA C. Stott , Thoughtful House

Center for Children, Austin, TX J. Tomko , Pittsburgh Development

Center, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA L. Houser , Pittsburgh

Development Center, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA E. Klein ,

Division of Laboratory Animal Resources, University of Pittsburgh,

Pittsburgh, PA C. Castro , Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive

Sciences, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA G. Sackett ,

Psychology, Washington National Primate Research Center, Seattle, WA S.

Gupta , Medicine, Pathology & amp; Laboratory Medicine, University of

California - Irvine, Irvine, CA D. Atwood , Chemistry, University of

Kentucky, Lexington, KY L. Blue , Chemistry, University of Kentucky,

Lexington, KY E. R. White , Chemistry, University of Kentucky,

Lexington, KY A. Wakefield , Thoughtful House Center for Children,

Austin, TX/

Background: Macaques are commonly used in pre-clinical vaccine safety

testing, but the combined childhood vaccine regimen, rather than

individual vaccines, has not been studied. Childhood vaccines are a

possible causal factor in autism, and abnormal behaviors and anomalous

amygdala growth are potentially inter-related features of this condition.

Objectives: The objective of this study was to compare early infant

cognition and behavior with amygdala size and opioid binding in rhesus

macaques receiving the recommended childhood vaccines (1994-1999), the

majority of which contained the bactericidal preservative

ethylmercurithiosalicylic acid (thimerosal).

Methods: Macaques were administered the recommended infant vaccines,

adjusted for age and thimerosal dose (exposed; N=13), or saline

(unexposed; N=3). Primate development, cognition and social behavior

were assessed for both vaccinated and unvaccinated infants using

standardized tests developed at the Washington National Primate Research

Center. Amygdala growth and binding were measured serially by MRI and by

the binding of the non-selective opioid antagonist [11C]diprenorphine,

measured by PET, respectively, before (T1) and after (T2) the

administration of the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine (MMR).

Results: Compared with unexposed animals, significant neurodevelopmental

deficits were evident for exposed animals in survival reflexes, tests of

color discrimination and reversal, and learning sets. Differences in

behaviors were observed between exposed and unexposed animals and within

the exposed group before and after MMR vaccination. Compared with

unexposed animals, exposed animals showed attenuation of amygdala growth

and differences in the amygdala binding of [11C]diprenorphine.

Interaction models identified significant associations between specific

aberrant social and non-social behaviors, isotope binding, and vaccine

exposure.

Conclusions: This animal model, which examines for the first time,

behavioral, functional, and neuromorphometric consequences of the

childhood vaccine regimen, mimics certain neurological abnormalities of

autism. The findings raise important safety issues while providing a

potential model for examining aspects of causation and disease

pathogenesis in acquired disorders of behavior and development.

- - - -

*Pediatric Vaccines Influence Primate Behavior, and Brain Stem Volume

and Opioid Ligand Binding Saturday*, IMFAR

/Wakefield , Thoughtful House Center for Children, Austin, TX C. Stott ,

Thoughtful House Center for Children, Austin, TX B. Lopresti ,

Radiology, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA J. Tomko ,

Pittsburgh Development Center, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA

L. Houser , Pittsburgh Development Center, University of Pittsburgh,

Pittsburgh, PA G. Sackett , Psychology, Washington National Primate

Research Center, Seattle, WA L. Hewitson , Obstetrics, Gynecology and

Reproductive Sciences, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA/

Background: Abnormal brainstem structure and function have been reported

in children with autism. Opioid receptors play key roles in

neuro-ontogeny, are present in brainstem nuclei, and may influence

aspects of autism. Childhood vaccines are a possible causal factor in

autism and while primates are used in pre-clinical vaccine safety

testing, the recommended infant regimen (1994-1999) has not been tested.

Objectives: The objective of this study was to compare brain stem volume

and opioid binding in rhesus infants receiving the recommended infant

vaccine regimen.

Methods: Rhesus macaques were administered vaccines adjusted for age

and thimerosal dose (exposed; N=13), or placebo (unexposed; N=3) from

birth onwards. Brainstem volume was measured by quantitative MRI, and

binding of the non-selective opioid antagonist [11C]diprenorphine (DPN)

was measured by PET, at 2 (T1) and 4 (T2) months of age. Neonatal

reflexes and sensorimotor responses were measured in standardized tests

for 30 days.

Results: Kaplan-Meier survival analyses revealed significant differences

between exposed and unexposed animals, with delayed acquisition of root,

suck, clasp hand, and clasp foot reflexes. Interaction models examined

possible relationships between time-to-acquisition of reflexes,

exposure, [3C]DPN binding, and volume. Statistically significant

interactions between exposure and time-to--acquisition of reflex on

overall levels of binding at T1 and T2 were observed for all 18

reflexes. For all but one (snout), this involved a mean increase in

time-to-acquisition of the reflex for exposed animals. In each model

there was also a significant interaction between exposure and MRI volume

on overall binding.

Conclusions: This animal model examines the neurological consequences of

the childhood vaccine regimen. Functional and neuromorphometric

brainstem anomalies were evident in vaccinated animals that may be

relevant to some aspects of autism. The findings raise important safety

issues while providing a potential animal model for examining aspects of

causation and disease pathogenesis in acquired neurodevelopmental

disorders.

- - - -

*Microarray Analysis of GI Tissue in a Macaque Model of the Effects of

Infant Vaccination* Saturday, May 17, 2008 IMFAR

/

S. J. , Institute for Regenerative Medicine, Wake Forest

University Health Sciences, E. K. Lobenhofer , Cogenics, a Division of

Clinical Data E. Klein , Division of Laboratory Animal Resources,

University of Pittsburgh, A. Wakefield , Thoughtful House Center for

Children, Austin, TX L. Hewitson , Obstetrics, Gynecology and

Reproductive Sciences, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA/

Background: There has been considerable debate regarding the question

of an interaction between childhood vaccinations and adverse sequelae in

the gastrointestinal tract, immune system, and central nervous system of

some recipients. These systems, either singly or in combination, appear

to be adversely affected in many ASD children. Although pre-clinical

tests of individual vaccines routinely find the risk/benefit ratio to be

low, previously there has not been a study to examine the effects of the

comprehensive vaccination regime currently in use for infants.

Objectives: This study was designed to evaluate potential alterations

in normal growth and development resulting from the vaccine regimen that

was in use from 1994-1999. Specifically, this portion of the study was

to compare the gene expression profiles obtained from gastrointestinal

tissue from vaccinated and unvaccinated infants.

Methods: Infant male macaques were vaccinated (or given saline placebo)

using the human vaccination schedule. Dosages and times of

administration were adjusted for differences between macaques and

humans. Biopsy tissue was collected from the animals at three time

points: (1) 10 weeks [pre-MMR1], (2) 14 weeks [post-MMR1] and, (3) 12-15

months [at necropsy]. Whole genome microarray analysis was performed on

RNA extracted from the GI tissue from 7 vaccinated and 2 unvaccinated

animals at each of these 3 time points (27 samples total).

Results: Histopathological examination revealed that vaccinated animals

exhibited progressively severe chronic active inflammation, whereas

unexposed animals did not. Gene expression comparisons between the

groups (vaccinated versus unvaccinated) revealed only 120 genes

differentially expressed (fc & gt;1.5; log ratio p & lt;0.001) at 10 weeks,

whereas there were 450 genes differentially expressed at 14 weeks, and

324 differentially expressed genes between the 2 groups at necropsy.

Conclusions: We have found many significant differences in the GI

tissue gene expression profiles between vaccinated and unvaccinated

animals. These differences will be presented and discussed.

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/The authors and organizations are withholding comment or elaboration

until the full articles are published.

/

*

The material in this post is distributed without

profit to those who have expressed a prior interest

in receiving the included information for research

From: andrewhallcutler & lt;AndyCutler@... & gt;

Subject: [ ] Re: Disgusting Time Magazine cover

Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008, 8:45 PM

Ask him about Ip and Wong's faked results, as reported by DeSoto and Hitlan in

the

Journal of Child Neurology in November 2007, which when reported accurately

conclusively prove (according to MD logic, anyway, not necessarily mine) that

mercury

causes autism.

Andy

& gt;

& gt; Hello

& gt;

& gt; i met a gp today and asked if vaccines cause autism. He said no due to

& gt; Wakefields forged results.

& gt;

& gt; i even mentioned i was chelating myself as i was still undecided

& gt; whether or not it was a contributory factor. i mentioned that i didnt

& gt; react badly to sirens of ambulances anymore and got less light related

& gt; headaches.

& gt;

& gt; i mentioned Cutler and amalgam illness book. i try to educate

& gt; people i meet. i did ask him before i started asking a controversial

& gt; question.

& gt;

& gt; is

& gt;

[Guest guest]

Hello

2008/6/8 andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...>:

> Ask him about Ip and Wong's faked results, as reported by DeSoto and Hitlan in

the

> Journal of Child Neurology in November 2007, which when reported accurately

> conclusively prove (according to MD logic, anyway, not necessarily mine) that

mercury

> causes autism.

>

> Andy

i will but only if i see him again and he brings up the subject. i

dont wish to annoy him with business being discussed outside of work.

--

is