Re: Disgusting Time Magazine cover

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Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines work,

then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those who

choose not to vaccinate.

>

>

> The current issue of Time Magazine has a cover story about how

those concerned about vaccines causing autism are putting everyone

else at risk. How disgusting and untrue. I saw this in a checkout

lane and didn't read the article, just turned the around so the cover

wasn't visible. I wonder how much pharma advertising Time has...

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Oh i bet a lot, it seems they have their hands in most of our media.

We are putting every one else at risk...at risk of finding out the

truth! That their children are human guinea pigs and being poisoned.

This country thrives on fear and scare tactics...and this is what they

are trying to do. It's disgusting...

Good for you for turning the magazine.

>

>

> The current issue of Time Magazine has a cover story about how those

concerned about vaccines causing autism are putting everyone else at

risk. How disgusting and untrue. I saw this in a checkout lane and

didn't read the article, just turned the around so the cover wasn't

visible. I wonder how much pharma advertising Time has...

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Check out the Time article and the picture of the baby. He's only 6

weeks old and he's getting 5 immunizations. I remember the day I

questioned the pediatrician about the five my DD was scheduled to

receive. I asked him to spread them out over 2 weeks. 2 one day and 3

later. This was prompted when he said that they would inject my DD

arms instead of her legs because little ones sometimes stop walking

due to the discomfort. Why is the schedule so aggressive, early,

toxic? I won't be put her at risk again.

http://tinyurl.com/6ojr5j

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> >

> > The current issue of Time Magazine has a cover story about how

those

> concerned about vaccines causing autism are putting everyone else at

> risk. How disgusting and untrue. I saw this in a checkout lane and

> didn't read the article, just turned the around so the cover wasn't

> visible. I wonder how much pharma advertising Time has...

> > S S

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> Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@... orelindel

> Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 5:17 am ((PDT))

>

>Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines work,

>then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those who

>choose not to vaccinate.

This twisted logic of how the few who choose not to vaccinate are

endangering the many who do vaccinate has been around for some years

afaik - maybe it's a response to a growing community of those choosing not to?

Barring a successful effort to force vaccinations the next step may

be adding additional boosters to the schedule because of the supposed

increased risk of the great unwashed, er I mean unvaccinated.

We just signed up our daughter for the local rec program this summer

and they had a vaccine waiver form - we're in NYS fwiw - for us to

fill out which asked for a detailed explanation of why we didn't

vaccinate, how long we've done this, and whether it applies to some

or all vaccines. Their questions ended up being a paragraph long, but

we knew enough to simply state:

" We do not vaccinate because it violates our deepest and sincerest

religious beliefs "

Funny thing is they read that and didn't say a word. Hmm.

Marty

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Like how our ped tried to say that we were abusing herd immunity and

riding on the backs of those who do immunize??

I about choked him. I was like IF you actually read any of the

studies, it seems that those vaccinated children are spreading the vey

disease they are vaccinated for.

>

>

> > Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@... orelindel

> > Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 5:17 am ((PDT))

> >

> >Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines work,

> >then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those who

> >choose not to vaccinate.

>

> This twisted logic of how the few who choose not to vaccinate are

> endangering the many who do vaccinate has been around for some years

> afaik - maybe it's a response to a growing community of those

choosing not to?

>

> Barring a successful effort to force vaccinations the next step may

> be adding additional boosters to the schedule because of the supposed

> increased risk of the great unwashed, er I mean unvaccinated.

>

> We just signed up our daughter for the local rec program this summer

> and they had a vaccine waiver form - we're in NYS fwiw - for us to

> fill out which asked for a detailed explanation of why we didn't

> vaccinate, how long we've done this, and whether it applies to some

> or all vaccines. Their questions ended up being a paragraph long, but

> we knew enough to simply state:

>

> " We do not vaccinate because it violates our deepest and sincerest

> religious beliefs "

>

> Funny thing is they read that and didn't say a word. Hmm.

>

> Marty

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Hello

2008/6/5 Marty Landman <marty@...>:

>

>> Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@... orelindel

>> Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 5:17 am ((PDT))

>>

>>Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines work,

>>then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those who

>>choose not to vaccinate.

>

> This twisted logic of how the few who choose not to vaccinate are

> endangering the many who do vaccinate has been around for some years

> afaik - maybe it's a response to a growing community of those choosing not to?

Personally natural immune support and a return to organic farming

would be 10 times better than pushing the vaccines. All governments

care about is saving money at any cost.

>

> Barring a successful effort to force vaccinations the next step may

> be adding additional boosters to the schedule because of the supposed

> increased risk of the great unwashed, er I mean unvaccinated.

LOL well put.

>

> We just signed up our daughter for the local rec program this summer

> and they had a vaccine waiver form - we're in NYS fwiw - for us to

> fill out which asked for a detailed explanation of why we didn't

> vaccinate, how long we've done this, and whether it applies to some

> or all vaccines. Their questions ended up being a paragraph long, but

> we knew enough to simply state:

>

> " We do not vaccinate because it violates our deepest and sincerest

> religious beliefs "

>

> Funny thing is they read that and didn't say a word. Hmm.

Well done, i will tell other parents about this if they have this problem.

>

> Marty

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That's my favorite quick one-liner response to people who are ignorant and

tell me that we're putting them at risk. They never actually have an answer

to that one.

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:17 AM, orelindel <whatmattersmost@...>

wrote:

> Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines work,

> then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those who

> choose not to vaccinate.

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > The current issue of Time Magazine has a cover story about how

> those concerned about vaccines causing autism are putting everyone

> else at risk. How disgusting and untrue. I saw this in a checkout

> lane and didn't read the article, just turned the around so the cover

> wasn't visible. I wonder how much pharma advertising Time has...

> > S S

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2008/6/5 Jada <paxlforme@...>:

> Like how our ped tried to say that we were abusing herd immunity and

> riding on the backs of those who do immunize??

Tell him where to go or find a better ped.

> I about choked him. I was like IF you actually read any of the

> studies, it seems that those vaccinated children are spreading the vey

> disease they are vaccinated for.

Hmm interesting. Docs are brainwashed to believe that vaccines do more

good than harm. Either that or they dont read up enough in their spare

time lol.

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Hello

2008/6/6 Donna B <donnabzy@...>:

> That's my favorite quick one-liner response to people who are ignorant and

> tell me that we're putting them at risk. They never actually have an answer

> to that one.

i think it works very well. Excellent stock phrase to keep in mind.

>

> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:17 AM, orelindel <whatmattersmost@...>

> wrote:

>

>> Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines work,

>> then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those who

>> choose not to vaccinate.

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is

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This conversation reminds me of an article I read last year in which

the pediatrician told the mother to find another doctor because she

refused to vaccinate her son. She already has one son who is

autistic.

When I'm asked whether my DDs vaccinations are up to date, I say no.

Some of the looks are priceless.

http://tinyurl.com/6gzmqc

>

> Hello

>

> 2008/6/5 Marty Landman <marty@...>:

> >

> >> Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@... orelindel

> >> Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 5:17 am ((PDT))

> >>

> >>Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines work,

> >>then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those

who

> >>choose not to vaccinate.

> >

> > This twisted logic of how the few who choose not to vaccinate are

> > endangering the many who do vaccinate has been around for some

years

> > afaik - maybe it's a response to a growing community of those

choosing not to?

>

> Personally natural immune support and a return to organic farming

> would be 10 times better than pushing the vaccines. All governments

> care about is saving money at any cost.

> >

> > Barring a successful effort to force vaccinations the next step

may

> > be adding additional boosters to the schedule because of the

supposed

> > increased risk of the great unwashed, er I mean unvaccinated.

>

> LOL well put.

> >

> > We just signed up our daughter for the local rec program this

summer

> > and they had a vaccine waiver form - we're in NYS fwiw - for us

to

> > fill out which asked for a detailed explanation of why we didn't

> > vaccinate, how long we've done this, and whether it applies to

some

> > or all vaccines. Their questions ended up being a paragraph long,

but

> > we knew enough to simply state:

> >

> > " We do not vaccinate because it violates our deepest and sincerest

> > religious beliefs "

> >

> > Funny thing is they read that and didn't say a word. Hmm.

>

> Well done, i will tell other parents about this if they have this

problem.

> >

> > Marty

>

>

>

> --

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>

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Hello

2008/6/6 orelindel <whatmattersmost@...>:

> This conversation reminds me of an article I read last year in which

> the pediatrician told the mother to find another doctor because she

> refused to vaccinate her son. She already has one son who is autistic.

i wish peds wouldnt treat parents like its in their head. Who else

knows a child better than the parents?

>

> When I'm asked whether my DDs vaccinations are up to date, I say no.

> Some of the looks are priceless.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/6gzmqc

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is

[Guest guest]

Okay,

So to date my DS & DD are up to date on vaccines, but I'm either getting ready

to refuse or to start picking and choosing and ordering my own (I will mortgage

my house to the hilt to protect my children). My question to this is: Does

anyone lie about whether or not their child is up-to-date? Just curious,

because -frankly- I've considered it.

Dana C.

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From: " orelindel " <whatmattersmost@...>

This conversation reminds me of an article I read last year in which

the pediatrician told the mother to find another doctor because she

refused to vaccinate her son. She already has one son who is

autistic.

When I'm asked whether my DDs vaccinations are up to date, I say no.

Some of the looks are priceless.

http://tinyurl.com/6gzmqc

>

> Hello

>

> 2008/6/5 Marty Landman <marty@...>:

> >

> >> Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@... orelindel

> >> Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 5:17 am ((PDT))

> >>

> >>Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines work,

> >>then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those

who

> >>choose not to vaccinate.

> >

> > This twisted logic of how the few who choose not to vaccinate are

> > endangering the many who do vaccinate has been around for some

years

> > afaik - maybe it's a response to a growing community of those

choosing not to?

>

> Personally natural immune support and a return to organic farming

> would be 10 times better than pushing the vaccines. All governments

> care about is saving money at any cost.

> >

> > Barring a successful effort to force vaccinations the next step

may

> > be adding additional boosters to the schedule because of the

supposed

> > increased risk of the great unwashed, er I mean unvaccinated.

>

> LOL well put.

> >

> > We just signed up our daughter for the local rec program this

summer

> > and they had a vaccine waiver form - we're in NYS fwiw - for us

to

> > fill out which asked for a detailed explanation of why we didn't

> > vaccinate, how long we've done this, and whether it applies to

some

> > or all vaccines. Their questions ended up being a paragraph long,

but

> > we knew enough to simply state:

> >

> > " We do not vaccinate because it violates our deepest and sincerest

> > religious beliefs "

> >

> > Funny thing is they read that and didn't say a word. Hmm.

>

> Well done, i will tell other parents about this if they have this

problem.

> >

> > Marty

>

>

>

> --

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>

[Guest guest]

Dana, I have considered lying, too, but never attempted it. I figure

they would ask for proof. Although, when I had my 2nd baby (no

vaccines for her, and she's the healthiest thing I've ever seen!!) the

doctors and hospital pressed me my entire pregnancy, severely, for a

flu vaccine, and they pressed my 7yo son for one, too, saying that if

he didn't have one that he couldn't come to the hospital to visit

us!!! I called the head of the department to complain, etc, etc, and

she told me " it's not like they're gonna check or ask or anything.

You'll go on in to deliver, he'll go on in to visit. No big deal. "

And nobody ever checked or asked (Hooray!!!).

Score one for the team!!

Blaire

>

> Okay,

>

> So to date my DS & DD are up to date on vaccines, but I'm either

getting ready to refuse or to start picking and choosing and ordering

my own (I will mortgage my house to the hilt to protect my children).

My question to this is: Does anyone lie about whether or not their

child is up-to-date? Just curious, because -frankly- I've considered

it.

>

> Dana C.

[Guest guest]

How dare we show " distrust! " We must obey the gods! This article gave me an

ulcer.

From: is & lt;alexis.atrekkie22@... & gt;

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Disgusting Time Magazine cover

Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 8:19 PM

Hello

2008/6/6 orelindel & lt;whatmattersmost@ cablespeed. com & gt;:

& gt; This conversation reminds me of an article I read last year in which

& gt; the pediatrician told the mother to find another doctor because she

& gt; refused to vaccinate her son. She already has one son who is autistic.

i wish peds wouldnt treat parents like its in their head. Who else

knows a child better than the parents?

& gt;

& gt; When I'm asked whether my DDs vaccinations are up to date, I say no.

& gt; Some of the looks are priceless.

& gt;

& gt; http://tinyurl. com/6gzmqc

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is

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> My question to this is: Does anyone lie about whether or not their

>child is up-to-date? Just curious, because -frankly- I've considered

>it.

Hi, Dana

at first we did lie, occasionally. But as time went on, and I got

tougher and armed with more and more facts I tell the truth--strongly.

Part of my boldness is that we live overseas, and there is no CPS or

anything to knock on our doors and remove our children for no vax,

co-sleeping, extended breastfeeding, vegetarianism, all the reasons

they can/do in the U.S. I don't know how evangelical or forthright

I'd be if I lived in the U.S. again...but here, I consider it my duty

to educate at least a couple of doctors. One or two are actually

listening.

For any overseas family, we don't even have to bother with exemptions.

It's wonderful. We also know a lot of families who do not vaccinate.

Maybe more, percentage wise, than in the States.

best,

Liora in Beijing

[Guest guest]

> So to date my DS & DD are up to date on vaccines, but I'm either

getting ready to refuse or to start picking and choosing and ordering

my own (I will mortgage my house to the hilt to protect my children).

My question to this is: Does anyone lie about whether or not their

child is up-to-date? Just curious, because -frankly- I've considered it.

I never lie, because lying will end up getting me in trouble.

If I am asked if my child is " up to date " , I state that my children

have a state vaccination exemption, and will no longer be receiving

any further vaccinations.

Dana

[Guest guest]

How did I know that Dana, you've never been anything but " face

value " .

> > So to date my DS & DD are up to date on vaccines, but I'm either

> getting ready to refuse or to start picking and choosing and

ordering

> my own (I will mortgage my house to the hilt to protect my

children).

> My question to this is: Does anyone lie about whether or not their

> child is up-to-date? Just curious, because -frankly- I've

considered it.

>

>

> I never lie, because lying will end up getting me in trouble.

>

> If I am asked if my child is " up to date " , I state that my children

> have a state vaccination exemption, and will no longer be receiving

> any further vaccinations.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

The schedule is so aggressive in part, because they figure parents will hear the

truth and not complete the vaccine series, so they try to get as many in as

early as they can.

S S

Re: Disgusting Time Magazine cover

Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@... orelindel

Thu Jun 5, 2008 6:01 am (PDT)

Check out the Time article and the picture of the baby. He's only 6

weeks old and he's getting 5 immunizations. I remember the day I

questioned the pediatrician about the five my DD was scheduled to

receive. I asked him to spread them out over 2 weeks. 2 one day and 3

later. This was prompted when he said that they would inject my DD

arms instead of her legs because little ones sometimes stop walking

due to the discomfort. Why is the schedule so aggressive, early,

toxic? I won't be put her at risk again.

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I got asked if my son's shots were up to date at his check up and I

said straight faced " He has autism doesn't he? "

> >

> > Hello

> >

> > 2008/6/5 Marty Landman <marty@>:

> > >

> > >> Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@ orelindel

> > >> Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 5:17 am ((PDT))

> > >>

> > >>Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines

work,

> > >>then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those

> who

> > >>choose not to vaccinate.

> > >

> > > This twisted logic of how the few who choose not to vaccinate

are

> > > endangering the many who do vaccinate has been around for some

> years

> > > afaik - maybe it's a response to a growing community of those

> choosing not to?

> >

> > Personally natural immune support and a return to organic farming

> > would be 10 times better than pushing the vaccines. All

governments

> > care about is saving money at any cost.

> > >

> > > Barring a successful effort to force vaccinations the next step

> may

> > > be adding additional boosters to the schedule because of the

> supposed

> > > increased risk of the great unwashed, er I mean unvaccinated.

> >

> > LOL well put.

> > >

> > > We just signed up our daughter for the local rec program this

> summer

> > > and they had a vaccine waiver form - we're in NYS fwiw - for us

> to

> > > fill out which asked for a detailed explanation of why we didn't

> > > vaccinate, how long we've done this, and whether it applies to

> some

> > > or all vaccines. Their questions ended up being a paragraph

long,

> but

> > > we knew enough to simply state:

> > >

> > > " We do not vaccinate because it violates our deepest and

sincerest

> > > religious beliefs "

> > >

> > > Funny thing is they read that and didn't say a word. Hmm.

> >

> > Well done, i will tell other parents about this if they have this

> problem.

> > >

> > > Marty

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > is

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I definitely agree with this. Why else would there be birth

vaccines. A little kid can't tell you how he/she feels, you aren't

told what a mild allergic reaction looks like - or signs of

encephalitis, so before you know it...your child has long-term damage

from repeated insults. It's really a form of abuse.

>

>

> The schedule is so aggressive in part, because they figure parents

will hear the truth and not complete the vaccine series, so they try

to get as many in as early as they can.

> S S

>

>

> Re: Disgusting Time Magazine cover

> Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@... orelindel

> Thu Jun 5, 2008 6:01 am (PDT)

>

> Check out the Time article and the picture of the baby. He's only 6

> weeks old and he's getting 5 immunizations. I remember the day I

> questioned the pediatrician about the five my DD was scheduled to

> receive. I asked him to spread them out over 2 weeks. 2 one day and

3

> later. This was prompted when he said that they would inject my DD

> arms instead of her legs because little ones sometimes stop walking

> due to the discomfort. Why is the schedule so aggressive, early,

> toxic? I won't be put her at risk again.

>

>

>

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The vaccine schedule is so aggressive because they have a captive

audience. Parents want to bring their kids in for well-child checks

to see how much they've grown, so The Powers That Be decided it would

be a perfect time to inject them with vaccines.

Absolutely no science behind it, whatsoever. I find it mind boggling

that they hold on to that schedule in the name of Science when it is

all about opportunity.

I love (sarcasm) the caption under the picture of the infant getting

his vaccines... saying he bravely faces his vaccinations. Do you see

how they are holding him down? Poor child has no clue what is going

on. " Brave " implies you have a choice to face it or not.

I don't see this as abuse, but stupidity and arrogance on the part of

the doctors. I've got to believe any doctor who starts to question

if vaccines can induce Autism, allergies, autoimmune disorders and

such would stop vaccinating or alter how they vaccinate. That is how

our DAN! doctors came to be. I think the remaining docs think they

are smarter than we are, or they simply don't care too much because

they personally don't see the connection.

My father is a retired pediatrician. Right now, he holds on to the

belief (based on what he is being told and the information he is

being provided) that vaccines are not behind the rise in Autism. If

his mind changes, he will be devastated. For his sake, I hope he

isn't around when that time comes (and it will come).

I know not all docs are like that.

Pam

> >

> >

> > The schedule is so aggressive in part, because they figure

parents

> will hear the truth and not complete the vaccine series, so they

try

> to get as many in as early as they can.

> > S S

> >

> >

> > Re: Disgusting Time Magazine cover

> > Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@ orelindel

> > Thu Jun 5, 2008 6:01 am (PDT)

> >

> > Check out the Time article and the picture of the baby. He's only

6

> > weeks old and he's getting 5 immunizations. I remember the day I

> > questioned the pediatrician about the five my DD was scheduled to

> > receive. I asked him to spread them out over 2 weeks. 2 one day

and

> 3

> > later. This was prompted when he said that they would inject my

DD

> > arms instead of her legs because little ones sometimes stop

walking

> > due to the discomfort. Why is the schedule so aggressive, early,

> > toxic? I won't be put her at risk again.

> >

> >

> >

> > _______________________________________________

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I don't lie about it at all, I had them a copy of my notarize religous

exemption and simply state, vaccination is against our beliefs. The

rest is really none of their business.

You could also say " up to date according to who? God or man? I only

answer to God, so yes...he's up to date "

> > >

> > > Hello

> > >

> > > 2008/6/5 Marty Landman <marty@>:

> > > >

> > > >> Posted by: " orelindel " whatmattersmost@ orelindel

> > > >> Date: Thu Jun 5, 2008 5:17 am ((PDT))

> > > >>

> > > >>Apparently their science editor is on vacation. If vaccines

> work,

> > > >>then those who vaccinate have nothing to worry about from those

> > who

> > > >>choose not to vaccinate.

> > > >

> > > > This twisted logic of how the few who choose not to vaccinate

> are

> > > > endangering the many who do vaccinate has been around for some

> > years

> > > > afaik - maybe it's a response to a growing community of those

> > choosing not to?

> > >

> > > Personally natural immune support and a return to organic farming

> > > would be 10 times better than pushing the vaccines. All

> governments

> > > care about is saving money at any cost.

> > > >

> > > > Barring a successful effort to force vaccinations the next step

> > may

> > > > be adding additional boosters to the schedule because of the

> > supposed

> > > > increased risk of the great unwashed, er I mean unvaccinated.

> > >

> >

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Hello

2008/6/6 purpleasdhope <purpleasdhope@...>:

> I got asked if my son's shots were up to date at his check up and I

> said straight faced " He has autism doesn't he? "

ROFL, i wish i had been there to see thier reactions.

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Hello

2008/6/6 Soliday <elizabethsoliday@...>:

> I definitely agree with this. Why else would there be birth

> vaccines. A little kid can't tell you how he/she feels, you aren't

> told what a mild allergic reaction looks like - or signs of

> encephalitis, so before you know it...your child has long-term damage

> from repeated insults. It's really a form of abuse.

All of a sudden the rugrats episode of the shot doesnt seem to stupid anymore.

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Hello

2008/6/6 noaholiviaian <phaselow@...>:

> The vaccine schedule is so aggressive because they have a captive

> audience. Parents want to bring their kids in for well-child checks

> to see how much they've grown, so The Powers That Be decided it would

> be a perfect time to inject them with vaccines.

>

> Absolutely no science behind it, whatsoever. I find it mind boggling

> that they hold on to that schedule in the name of Science when it is

> all about opportunity.

Also money and greed are a major factor!

>

> I love (sarcasm) the caption under the picture of the infant getting

> his vaccines... saying he bravely faces his vaccinations. Do you see

> how they are holding him down? Poor child has no clue what is going

> on. " Brave " implies you have a choice to face it or not.

Agreed.

>

> I don't see this as abuse, but stupidity and arrogance on the part of

> the doctors. I've got to believe any doctor who starts to question

> if vaccines can induce Autism, allergies, autoimmune disorders and

> such would stop vaccinating or alter how they vaccinate. That is how

> our DAN! doctors came to be. I think the remaining docs think they

> are smarter than we are, or they simply don't care too much because

> they personally don't see the connection.

In the uk our doctors work 60 hour weeks sometimes. They dont have

time to themselves let alone to read up on vaccine research. The

system is messed up not the people caught in it.

>

> My father is a retired pediatrician. Right now, he holds on to the

> belief (based on what he is being told and the information he is

> being provided) that vaccines are not behind the rise in Autism. If

> his mind changes, he will be devastated. For his sake, I hope he

> isn't around when that time comes (and it will come).

>

> I know not all docs are like that.

Thats a sad story Pam :-(

>

> Pam

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