Re: DAN is recommending IV chelation- um, er?

[Guest guest]

Andy says that in toxic people, the body sometimes dumps iron

because it causes oxidative stress. The answer? Chelate, of

course. You can read all about it in Amalgam Illness, I think.

As for the challenge test, why not suggest to your doctor that you

do an Andy style round (low dose every four hours for DMSA for at

least three days) and collect a bunch of pee during the round (we

collect on day three, though others do it at other times)? Voila, a

safe " challenge " test.

Anne

>

> We did a second round of porphyrin analyses for the kids and the

tests

> came back really high in mercury, lead and arsenic, so we're going

to

> chelate as soon as my son's iron levels are back up (this kid eats

> kale three times a day and organic red meat cooked in cast iron at

the

> same time that he he eats fresh fruit and take a multi: I can't

think

> of anything that proves malabsorbtion more than the fact that his

iron

> stores could be so low when his sister's are fine).

>

> She says that they don't start ALA until a long time after DMSA

has

> been started and they do a topical application of ALA because, as

she

> says, ALA triggers yeast.

>

> I said we weren't going to do IV anything, it would be oral and

> low/frequent dose and I hoped she would support us in this. I also

> said I didn't want the kids to do the challenge. She tried to

reassure

> that the challenge was just a regular dose of chelator so they

could

> check what comes out, but as far as I understand this isn't the

safest

> route to go and is often fruitless, since the " crap " could take

awhile

> to loosen up and be excreted.

>

> Can anyone give me the updated argument for how long after DMSA

should

> ALA be started?

>

> I forget what's unsafe about IV chelation, just that there's been

> problems with it.

>

> Is a low dose challenge really no different than a stopped cycle?

What

> are the risks?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> We did a second round of porphyrin analyses for the kids and the tests

> came back really high in mercury, lead and arsenic, so we're going to

> chelate as soon as my son's iron levels are back up (this kid eats

> kale three times a day and organic red meat cooked in cast iron at the

> same time that he he eats fresh fruit and take a multi: I can't think

> of anything that proves malabsorbtion more than the fact that his iron

> stores could be so low when his sister's are fine).

His body may be trying to reduce oxidative stress by keeping iron

low. I have the same problem. I've had some success with homeopathic

cell salts (ferrum phosphoricum) which seems to help when my ferritin

gets really low.

> She says that they don't start ALA until a long time after DMSA has

> been started and they do a topical application of ALA because, as she

> says, ALA triggers yeast.

Doesn't matter how the chelator gets in, if it gets in it will stir

up metals and therefore yeast.

> I said we weren't going to do IV anything, it would be oral and

> low/frequent dose and I hoped she would support us in this. I also

> said I didn't want the kids to do the challenge. She tried to reassure

> that the challenge was just a regular dose of chelator so they could

> check what comes out, but as far as I understand this isn't the safest

> route to go and is often fruitless, since the " crap " could take awhile

> to loosen up and be excreted.

It is only a " regular dose " by her standards. In fact, it is a

massive dose that can stir up a lot of metals and make matters

much worse.

> Can anyone give me the updated argument for how long after DMSA should

> ALA be started?

If there has been no recent exposure, you can start ALA right away.

Some people chelate with ALA alone from the start.

> I forget what's unsafe about IV chelation, just that there's been

> problems with it.

It is a large dose that stirs up more than the body can excrete in

a short time. The result is redistribution causing more damage and

new symptoms.

> Is a low dose challenge really no different than a stopped cycle? What

> are the risks?

Challenge tests are not low dose. The risk is serious worsening.

If you want to spend the money, try the way Anne suggests.

--

> Thanks in advance.

>

[Guest guest]

> chelate as soon as my son's iron levels are back up (this kid eats

> kale three times a day and organic red meat cooked in cast iron at the

> same time that he he eats fresh fruit and take a multi:

Try increasing his vitamin C.

> She says that they don't start ALA until a long time after DMSA has

> been started and they do a topical application of ALA because, as she

> says, ALA triggers yeast.

Yes it does. But it also is very effective in eliminating mercury,

and the end result is that there is no more yeast overgrowth.

> I said we weren't going to do IV anything,

Good for you!

> Can anyone give me the updated argument for how long after DMSA should

> ALA be started?

I used ALA at the very beginning. I never used DMSA.

Dana