Re: Vocal Stims - Any ideas?

[Guest guest]

My daughter was vocalling stimming for a long time too. Since treating

her parasites, the vocal stims have stopped. They come back as soon as

the parasites come back (they are SO hard to kill) I always know when

the eggs are being laid, because she does her crazy vocal thing.

That's just what I know of vocal stims. But what about viral issues?

>

> Hi All,

>

> My 5 year old has always and still has a vocal stim. It starts from

the

> moment he wakes till he goes to bed. We have completed 26 rounds of

> chelation using the AC protocol. We have seen some improvements in

> skills and language but nothing seems to help the vocal stim. Any

ideas

> on what I could give him? He is already on a variety of supplements.

> Many Thanks

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > My 5 year old has always and still has a vocal stim. It starts

from

> the

> > moment he wakes till he goes to bed. We have completed 26 rounds

of

> > chelation using the AC protocol. We have seen some improvements

in

> > skills and language but nothing seems to help the vocal stim. Any

> ideas

> > on what I could give him? He is already on a variety of

supplements.

> > Many Thanks

> > Donna

> >

>

[Guest guest]

For us, it was improved methylation.

On May 19, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Bondy wrote:

> My daughter was vocalling stimming for a long time too. Since treating

> her parasites, the vocal stims have stopped. They come back as soon as

> the parasites come back (they are SO hard to kill) I always know when

> the eggs are being laid, because she does her crazy vocal thing.

>

> That's just what I know of vocal stims. But what about viral issues?

>

>

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > My 5 year old has always and still has a vocal stim. It starts from

> the

> > moment he wakes till he goes to bed. We have completed 26 rounds of

> > chelation using the AC protocol. We have seen some improvements in

> > skills and language but nothing seems to help the vocal stim. Any

> ideas

> > on what I could give him? He is already on a variety of supplements.

> > Many Thanks

> > Donna

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The way I knew it was parasites was every night at around 6 or 7pm

she would start acting crazy. Vocal stims, running all over,

sweating, playing with her saliva and chewing her fingers. Just

putting anything in her mouth. I did a tape her bum test and saw

eggs. We see a naturapath and confirmed the pinworms. It's been over

30 days of treatment and she still has them.

Bloated belly, dark circles and a few other things can mean parasites

too.

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > My 5 year old has always and still has a vocal stim. It starts

> from

> > the

> > > moment he wakes till he goes to bed. We have completed 26

rounds

> of

> > > chelation using the AC protocol. We have seen some improvements

> in

> > > skills and language but nothing seems to help the vocal stim.

Any

> > ideas

> > > on what I could give him? He is already on a variety of

> supplements.

> > > Many Thanks

> > > Donna

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I hope you don't mind if I ask a basic question: what exactly is a

vocal stim?

My daughter, who has many ASD traits but no autism label, often talks

to herself and vocalizes. As a toddler she used to make certain

repetitive sounds, which we all thought was very cute at the time. Now

I wonder if it wasn't a form of stimming, but I don't know what

exactly vocal stimming sounds like.

I'm also wondering if parasites are affecting my child. I'd like to

try using wormwood, cloves and black walnut hull - is this what you

used or did you use prescription medicine?

Thanks,

>

> My daughter was vocalling stimming for a long time too. Since treating

> her parasites, the vocal stims have stopped. They come back as soon as

> the parasites come back (they are SO hard to kill) I always know when

> the eggs are being laid, because she does her crazy vocal thing.

>

> That's just what I know of vocal stims. But what about viral issues?

>

[Guest guest]

> My 5 year old has always and still has a vocal stim. It starts from the

> moment he wakes till he goes to bed. We have completed 26 rounds of

> chelation using the AC protocol. We have seen some improvements in

> skills and language but nothing seems to help the vocal stim. Any ideas

> on what I could give him? He is already on a variety of supplements.

My son had two different varieties of vocal stims, and they required

different supps to eliminate. Describe exactly what your child does,

and I will see if it sounds like either of my son's stims.

Dana

[Guest guest]

A vocal stim is often scripting (repeating memorized things) or doing

what you describe. Incidentally, i hate the word stim. I feel like

people think of it as a real negative, and something to be

" extinguished. " I think of it as a calming or coping mechanism for

our kids. I never really focused on the " stim " but tried to find out

what it was telling me about their experience.

For example, my son scripted almost all language for a long time.

This was a problem with motor planning - planning and sequencing

novel language was too hard, so he coped by memorizing phrases and

using them to communicate. Smart cookie! But, working on motor

planning ( OT) and biomed really helped this. He no longer scripts

ever.

He also used to do vocals " stims " or the kind of things you

describe. And, for me, it was always an indication that his sensory

system was " off " and he was using it to calm him. So, we did more

OT , looked hard at the biomed to see what may be awry or missing,

and things resolved.

Good luck in your search.

Ruth

On May 20, 2008, at 9:04 AM, iam2l84t wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I hope you don't mind if I ask a basic question: what exactly is a

> vocal stim?

>

> My daughter, who has many ASD traits but no autism label, often talks

> to herself and vocalizes. As a toddler she used to make certain

> repetitive sounds, which we all thought was very cute at the time. Now

> I wonder if it wasn't a form of stimming, but I don't know what

> exactly vocal stimming sounds like.

>

> I'm also wondering if parasites are affecting my child. I'd like to

> try using wormwood, cloves and black walnut hull - is this what you

> used or did you use prescription medicine?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> >

> > My daughter was vocalling stimming for a long time too. Since

> treating

> > her parasites, the vocal stims have stopped. They come back as

> soon as

> > the parasites come back (they are SO hard to kill) I always know

> when

> > the eggs are being laid, because she does her crazy vocal thing.

> >

> > That's just what I know of vocal stims. But what about viral issues?

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > My 5 year old has always and still has a vocal stim. It starts

from the

> > moment he wakes till he goes to bed. We have completed 26 rounds

of

> > chelation using the AC protocol. We have seen some improvements

in

> > skills and language but nothing seems to help the vocal stim. Any

ideas

> > on what I could give him? He is already on a variety of

supplements.

>

>

> My son had two different varieties of vocal stims, and they required

> different supps to eliminate. Describe exactly what your child

does,

> and I will see if it sounds like either of my son's stims.

>

> Dana

>

Hi Dana

My son also has two different types of vocal stims. He does script

alot from his favourite TV shows or just says random words. The other

type is just constant noise like a " eeeeeee " . That particular stim is

the one that lasts all day and can be quite loud at times. He

definitely has sensory issues where he is constantly needing sensory

feedback. Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

Thanks Donna.

[Guest guest]

> > > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > >

> > > > My 5 year old has always and still has a vocal stim. It

starts

> > from

> > > the

> > > > moment he wakes till he goes to bed. We have completed 26

> rounds

> > of

> > > > chelation using the AC protocol. We have seen some

improvements

> > in

> > > > skills and language but nothing seems to help the vocal stim.

> Any

> > > ideas

> > > > on what I could give him? He is already on a variety of

> > supplements.

> > > > Many Thanks

> > > > Donna

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi Dana

> My son also has two different types of vocal stims. He does script

> alot from his favourite TV shows or just says random words.

This was eliminated primarily with: anti-virals [OLE, Virastop,

vitamin C, lysine], mB12/TMG/folic/carnitine, certain other Bs

including B1, and biotin and GSE to control yeast.

>> The other

> type is just constant noise like a " eeeeeee " . That particular stim is

> the one that lasts all day and can be quite loud at times. He

> definitely has sensory issues where he is constantly needing sensory

> feedback.

This was usually yeast at my house.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > Hi Dana

> > My son also has two different types of vocal stims. He does

script

> > alot from his favourite TV shows or just says random words.

>

>

> This was eliminated primarily with: anti-virals [OLE, Virastop,

> vitamin C, lysine], mB12/TMG/folic/carnitine, certain other Bs

> including B1, and biotin and GSE to control yeast.

>

>

> >> The other

> > type is just constant noise like a " eeeeeee " . That particular

stim is

> > the one that lasts all day and can be quite loud at times. He

> > definitely has sensory issues where he is constantly needing

sensory

> > feedback.

>

>

> This was usually yeast at my house.

>

> Dana

>

Hi Dana

My son has 2 capsules daily of candex usually taken in the morning

and 80mg of biotin daily given in the morning and afternoon. I have

been giving these to him for about 3 months with no change. I have

tried GSE on and off when he gets crazy with the noise but still no

change. Do you recommend anything else or is 3 months not long enough

to see some change in this behaviour?

Thanks Donna.

[Guest guest]

> Hi Dana

> My son has 2 capsules daily of candex usually taken in the morning

> and 80mg of biotin daily given in the morning and afternoon. I have

> been giving these to him for about 3 months with no change. I have

> tried GSE on and off when he gets crazy with the noise but still no

> change. Do you recommend anything else or is 3 months not long enough

> to see some change in this behaviour?

Depends on how much yeast is there, and what protocols you are doing.

At the peak of anti-virals, I had to give my son 20mg biotin 3x per

day plus 4 tablets GSE [each one approx 150mg] 3x per day.

You can also try oil of oregano, which works better for some kids. My

son did not tolerate it.

Or, your son's problem may not be yeast. There were several other

supps required for my son, to eliminate both types of vocal stims.

And for the " eeeeeeee " one, at least once it was caused by giving a

supp once it was time to remove it.

Dana

[Guest guest]

My son did the " eeeeeee. " It does get annoying! He would get so loud!

I thought my ears would bleed. I changed his supplements around and

it's finally improved.

> > > Hi Dana

> > > My son also has two different types of vocal stims. He does

> script

> > > alot from his favourite TV shows or just says random words.

> >

> >

> > This was eliminated primarily with: anti-virals [OLE, Virastop,

> > vitamin C, lysine], mB12/TMG/folic/carnitine, certain other Bs

> > including B1, and biotin and GSE to control yeast.

> >

> >

> > >> The other

> > > type is just constant noise like a " eeeeeee " . That particular

> stim is

> > > the one that lasts all day and can be quite loud at times. He

> > > definitely has sensory issues where he is constantly needing

> sensory

> > > feedback.

> >

> >

> > This was usually yeast at my house.

> >

> > Dana

> >

> Hi Dana

> My son has 2 capsules daily of candex usually taken in the morning

> and 80mg of biotin daily given in the morning and afternoon. I have

> been giving these to him for about 3 months with no change. I have

> tried GSE on and off when he gets crazy with the noise but still no

> change. Do you recommend anything else or is 3 months not long

enough

> to see some change in this behaviour?

> Thanks Donna.

>

[Guest guest]

> > Hi Dana

> > My son has 2 capsules daily of candex usually taken in the

morning

> > and 80mg of biotin daily given in the morning and afternoon. I

have

> > been giving these to him for about 3 months with no change. I

have

> > tried GSE on and off when he gets crazy with the noise but still

no

> > change. Do you recommend anything else or is 3 months not long

enough

> > to see some change in this behaviour?

>

>

> Depends on how much yeast is there, and what protocols you are

doing.

> At the peak of anti-virals, I had to give my son 20mg biotin 3x per

> day plus 4 tablets GSE [each one approx 150mg] 3x per day.

>

> You can also try oil of oregano, which works better for some kids.

My

> son did not tolerate it.

>

> Or, your son's problem may not be yeast. There were several other

> supps required for my son, to eliminate both types of vocal stims.

> And for the " eeeeeeee " one, at least once it was caused by giving a

> supp once it was time to remove it.

>

> Dana

Hi Dana

Thank you so much for you help. I will try to up the GSE and

experiment with the oil of oregano.

Donna

>

[Guest guest]

> > > > Hi Dana

> > > > My son also has two different types of vocal stims. He does

> > script

> > > > alot from his favourite TV shows or just says random words.

> > >

> > >

> > > This was eliminated primarily with: anti-virals [OLE, Virastop,

> > > vitamin C, lysine], mB12/TMG/folic/carnitine, certain other Bs

> > > including B1, and biotin and GSE to control yeast.

> > >

> > >

> > > >> The other

> > > > type is just constant noise like a " eeeeeee " . That particular

> > stim is

> > > > the one that lasts all day and can be quite loud at times. He

> > > > definitely has sensory issues where he is constantly needing

> > sensory

> > > > feedback.

> > >

> > >

> > > This was usually yeast at my house.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> > Hi Dana

> > My son has 2 capsules daily of candex usually taken in the

morning

> > and 80mg of biotin daily given in the morning and afternoon. I

have

> > been giving these to him for about 3 months with no change. I

have

> > tried GSE on and off when he gets crazy with the noise but still

no

> > change. Do you recommend anything else or is 3 months not long

> enough

> > to see some change in this behaviour?

> > Thanks Donna.

> >

>