Re: DMSA side effects? - Long

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Okay, here's what I've picked up from years of hanging around these lists.

Tired is normal the day or two after.

Black rings usually signals some kind of processing problem--allergies or the

need for liver support. Are you giving Milk Thistle?

Red ears is usually phenol reactions--again allergies. Do you watch phenols in

his food?

Dilated pupils can happen when mercury is moving.

Stimming and scripting and OCD--Yeast! You could also be stirring up viruses.

SO . . . I would say, lower your dose and up your support. Is he getting good

levels of minerals? Especially zinc?

Barb

[ ] DMSA side effects? - Long

Hi,

Wondering if I can post side effects of my 9 year old during

chelation and get feedback on where to go? We started in February

this year.

He's getting oral DMSA (25mg) every 4 hours. I started with a tiny

dose in February, and have worked up to the 25mg. After every round

(even with the small dose) he shows the following symptoms:

Seems excessively tired

Huge black rings around his eyes

red ears

pupils which are normally dilated even more so

Stimming and scripting and OCD behaviours much worse

After a couple of days he seems to get back on track, but not back to

his normal self, I've definitely not seen any gains. I'm just about

to star VSL 3 to see if we can eradicate any yeast issues, as my

normal yeast protocol doesn't seem to be working. His tongue is very

coated and often has the red ring around his anus.

Also, just wondering if anybody can shed some light on this, as we've

never gotten to the bottom of this. Since he was very young, say

around 2.5 years he has had yellow tinged sallow skin. When it's at

its worst, he looks really poorly. He browns really easily if he

doesn't wear sunscreen (both me and his Dad are fair skinned and burn

easily). Liver tests have come back OK, and carotene not an issue

(which is what all doctors have fobbed me off with!). Andy, I've

looked through and seen only one post similar to this - and this was

from somebody who saw a recent change in her child's complexion, any

ideas would be appreciated.

This is my first post, and sorry so long, but I've been hanging

around here for a year now, and in February finally stated chelation,

now all these things are going on I'm scared, and want to make sure

I'm doing everything OK. Somebody who's been chelating for years has

suggested adding in ALA to the protocol which worked well with her son.

Do you think I should carry on with DMSA? Maybe add in ALA, or try

ALA on it's own to see if there is any change. I haven't had Callum

tested for 3 years, but hair analysis and UTM showed very high levels

of mercury and lead and arsenic, and I couldn't see the point in

doing again, as it was obviously in there and needed to come out.

Any comments most welcome.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

>>After every round

> (even with the small dose) he shows the following symptoms:

> Seems excessively tired

> Huge black rings around his eyes

> red ears

> pupils which are normally dilated even more so

> Stimming and scripting and OCD behaviours much worse

The first things to consider are usually yeast overgrowth and mineral

deficiency.

What are the stims?

Because of the scripting, try increasing your yeast protocol first.

> Also, just wondering if anybody can shed some light on this, as we've

> never gotten to the bottom of this. Since he was very young, say

> around 2.5 years he has had yellow tinged sallow skin.

This can mean improper carotene conversion, which is a problem my son

had until the end of ALA chelation plus the addition of certain

supplements. Which supps are you giving now? You might want to

remove orange and green foods, and some reds and yellows, see if the

problem reduces.

>>carotene not an issue

Exactly what do you mean by this? Does his body convert carotenes?

My son's didn't, I had to entirely remove them for several years.

> Do you think I should carry on with DMSA? Maybe add in ALA, or try

> ALA on it's own to see if there is any change.

I chelated with only ALA.

Dana

[Guest guest]

On 4 Jun 2008, at 14:33, danasview wrote:

>

>>> After every round

>> (even with the small dose) he shows the following symptoms:

>> Seems excessively tired

>> Huge black rings around his eyes

>> red ears

>> pupils which are normally dilated even more so

>> Stimming and scripting and OCD behaviours much worse

>

>

> The first things to consider are usually yeast overgrowth and mineral

> deficiency.

>> brainchild minerals and vits 3 x daily + milk thistle and extra

zinc. Mag + vit c 3 x daily

>

> What are the stims?

>> visual fingers in front of the eyes, facial contortions

>

> Because of the scripting, try increasing your yeast protocol first.

>

>> I do candex and Sacc bourlardi and he's on trienza for enzymes

>

>> Also, just wondering if anybody can shed some light on this, as we've

>> never gotten to the bottom of this. Since he was very young, say

>> around 2.5 years he has had yellow tinged sallow skin.

>

>

> This can mean improper carotene conversion, which is a problem my son

> had until the end of ALA chelation plus the addition of certain

> supplements. Which supps are you giving now? You might want to

> remove orange and green foods, and some reds and yellows, see if the

> problem reduces.

>

>

>>> carotene not an issue

>> he very rarely eats anything orange or green except juicing

spinach and pears, but that's just started recently

>

>

> Exactly what do you mean by this? Does his body convert carotenes?

> My son's didn't, I had to entirely remove them for several years.

>

> >> Oh, right, Doctors said it was too much carotene - i didn't

> realise that he he just might not be able to convert the little he

> was getting -

can this cause problems?

>> Do you think I should carry on with DMSA? Maybe add in ALA, or try

>> ALA on it's own to see if there is any change.

>

>

> I chelated with only ALA.

>> may try this if this carries on

>

> Dana

> >> thanks!

>

>

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S S

DMSA side effects? - Long

Posted by: " simondavis@... " simondavis@... simon_c_davis

Tue Jun 3, 2008 11:20 pm (PDT)

Hi,

Wondering if I can post side effects of my 9 year old during

chelation and get feedback on where to go? We started in February

this year.

He's getting oral DMSA (25mg) every 4 hours. I started with a tiny

dose in February, and have worked up to the 25mg.

*How much does he weigh? Did you see anything positive at the lower doses? Is

he on any supplements? The DMSA you use doesn't have glutathione in it, does

it? I presume your son has NO mercury amalgam dental fillings?! Have you

identified and reduced/removed sources of toxic metal exposure?

After every round

(even with the small dose) he shows the following symptoms:

Seems excessively tired

Huge black rings around his eyes

red ears

*Black rings around eyes often mean food allergies, what are you giving the DMSA

with? Red ears can be a phenol intolerance, what do you give the DMSA with?

You are dosing day and night, right?

pupils which are normally dilated even more so

Stimming and scripting and OCD behaviours much worse

After a couple of days he seems to get back on track, but not back to

his normal self, I've definitely not seen any gains. I'm just about

to star VSL 3 to see if we can eradicate any yeast issues, as my

normal yeast protocol doesn't seem to be working. His tongue is very

coated and often has the red ring around his anus.

*What's his diet like?

Also, just wondering if anybody can shed some light on this, as we've

never gotten to the bottom of this. Since he was very young, say

around 2.5 years he has had yellow tinged sallow skin. When it's at

its worst, he looks really poorly. He browns really easily if he

doesn't wear sunscreen (both me and his Dad are fair skinned and burn

easily). Liver tests have come back OK, and carotene not an issue

(which is what all doctors have fobbed me off with!). Andy, I've

looked through and seen only one post similar to this - and this was

from somebody who saw a recent change in her child's complexion, any

ideas would be appreciated.

This is my first post, and sorry so long, but I've been hanging

around here for a year now, and in February finally stated chelation,

now all these things are going on I'm scared, and want to make sure

I'm doing everything OK. Somebody who's been chelating for years has

suggested adding in ALA to the protocol which worked well with her son.

Do you think I should carry on with DMSA? Maybe add in ALA, or try

ALA on it's own to see if there is any change. I haven't had Callum

tested for 3 years, but hair analysis and UTM showed very high levels

of mercury and lead and arsenic, and I couldn't see the point in

doing again, as it was obviously in there and needed to come out.

Any comments most welcome.

Elaine

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Thanks ,

He weighs 64 11bs, his diet is very carb based. No glutathione in

the brainchild vits and no amalgam fillings. I think a lot of his

exposure to HM was when I was pregnant and had extensive dental work

on amalgams, and we also had our old house redecorated just before he

was born (if only I knew then, what I know now:-() DMSA is just given

with water every 4 hours day and night. As far as I know, no

exposure to HM at present.

His diet is very limited - especially to carbs. I try and limit this

as much as possible, and have been toying with SCD for sometime, but

wanted to chelate soon as I had waited so long. From what I have

been reading on here it looks like he may well have problems with

viruses too.

Elaine

On 4 Jun 2008, at 16:33, Shepard Salzer wrote:

>

> Hi Elaine,

> Welcome to the list. Comments interspersed.

> S S

>

> DMSA side effects? - Long

> Posted by: " simondavis@... " simondavis@...

> simon_c_davis

> Tue Jun 3, 2008 11:20 pm (PDT)

>

>

> Hi,

>

> Wondering if I can post side effects of my 9 year old during

> chelation and get feedback on where to go? We started in February

> this year.

> He's getting oral DMSA (25mg) every 4 hours. I started with a tiny

> dose in February, and have worked up to the 25mg.

>

> *How much does he weigh? Did you see anything positive at the

> lower doses? Is he on any supplements? The DMSA you use doesn't

> have glutathione in it, does it? I presume your son has NO mercury

> amalgam dental fillings?! Have you identified and reduced/removed

> sources of toxic metal exposure?

>

> After every round

> (even with the small dose) he shows the following symptoms:

>

> Seems excessively tired

> Huge black rings around his eyes

> red ears

>

> *Black rings around eyes often mean food allergies, what are you

> giving the DMSA with? Red ears can be a phenol intolerance, what

> do you give the DMSA with? You are dosing day and night, right?

>

> pupils which are normally dilated even more so

> Stimming and scripting and OCD behaviours much worse

>

> After a couple of days he seems to get back on track, but not back to

> his normal self, I've definitely not seen any gains. I'm just about

> to star VSL 3 to see if we can eradicate any yeast issues, as my

> normal yeast protocol doesn't seem to be working. His tongue is very

> coated and often has the red ring around his anus.

>

> *What's his diet like?

>

> Also, just wondering if anybody can shed some light on this, as we've

> never gotten to the bottom of this. Since he was very young, say

> around 2.5 years he has had yellow tinged sallow skin. When it's at

> its worst, he looks really poorly. He browns really easily if he

> doesn't wear sunscreen (both me and his Dad are fair skinned and burn

> easily). Liver tests have come back OK, and carotene not an issue

> (which is what all doctors have fobbed me off with!). Andy, I've

> looked through and seen only one post similar to this - and this was

> from somebody who saw a recent change in her child's complexion, any

> ideas would be appreciated.

>

> This is my first post, and sorry so long, but I've been hanging

> around here for a year now, and in February finally stated chelation,

> now all these things are going on I'm scared, and want to make sure

> I'm doing everything OK. Somebody who's been chelating for years has

> suggested adding in ALA to the protocol which worked well with her

> son.

>

> Do you think I should carry on with DMSA? Maybe add in ALA, or try

> ALA on it's own to see if there is any change. I haven't had Callum

> tested for 3 years, but hair analysis and UTM showed very high levels

> of mercury and lead and arsenic, and I couldn't see the point in

> doing again, as it was obviously in there and needed to come out.

>

> Any comments most welcome.

> Elaine

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> > What are the stims?

> >> visual fingers in front of the eyes, facial contortions

> >

> > Because of the scripting, try increasing your yeast protocol first.

> >

> >> I do candex and Sacc bourlardi and he's on trienza for enzymes

That would not have been nearly enough yeast control here. I used

biotin and GSE. Try increasing the yeast protocol

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> > >> Oh, right, Doctors said it was too much carotene - i didn't

> > realise that he he just might not be able to convert the little he

> > was getting -

> can this cause problems?

Before he was 1yo, carotenes caused burning diarrhea. After age 1,

major brain issues.

Dana

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Elaine - below:

Posted by: " simondavis@... " simondavis@... simon_c_davis

Date: Tue Jun 3, 2008 11:20 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

>Wondering if I can post side effects of my 9 year old during

chelation and get feedback on where to go? We started in February

this year. He's getting oral DMSA (25mg) every 4 hours. I started with a tiny

dose in February, and have worked up to the 25mg. After every round

(even with the small dose) he shows the following symptoms:

>Seems excessively tired

It's not unusual to be tired, but what do you mean by " excessively " ? How long

does it go on after a round? Are you saying that the tiredness didn't increase

with increasing dose? That seems ... unlikely to me.

>Huge black rings around his eyes

I don't know, but I've seen someone here mentioned reaction to phenols as a

possibility. I suppose it could also be related to the tiredness you were just

mentioning.

>red ears

Don't know.

>pupils which are normally dilated even more so

I saw something in AI on dilated pupils. Let me see if I can find it ...

Nope, can't find it. I did some search on list though, and found this:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/44223.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/81940.html

Also:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/44223.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/56426.html

So it looks like this is not unusual, could be mercury, and could be other

things in addition. Mercury is likely part of it, since it gets worse on round

and rounds do provoke symptoms. Have you done an elimination diet on him? Do

you use probiotics? Other than the yeast, how is his gut? I know glutamine

is used for a permeable gut; but that's just off the cuff, I'm sure there are

other things.

>Stimming and scripting and OCD behaviours much worse

I know Andy suggests Inositol, grams of it, for OCD. The rest <<might>> be

yeast.

>After a couple of days he seems to get back on track,

It even takes a couple of days for a small dose? Have you tried ALA? Have

you seen the same thing?

>but not back to his normal self,

You mean, the rounds are making him go downhill?

>I've definitely not seen any gains. I'm just about

to star VSL 3 to see if we can eradicate any yeast issues, as my

normal yeast protocol doesn't seem to be working. His tongue is very

coated and often has the red ring around his anus.

Ok, that does sound like yeast, and if it's getting worse on round then the

effects could go on for more than the 24 hours that is generally acceptable for

the post-round effects of chelation. Have you tried a sulfur exclusion diet

yet, to work out his sulfur status? (Search on onibasu.com for " sulfur

exclusion diet " )

>Also, just wondering if anybody can shed some light on this, as we've

never gotten to the bottom of this. Since he was very young, say

around 2.5 years he has had yellow tinged sallow skin. When it's at

its worst, he looks really poorly. He browns really easily if he

doesn't wear sunscreen (both me and his Dad are fair skinned and burn

easily). Liver tests have come back OK, and carotene not an issue

(which is what all doctors have fobbed me off with!). Andy, I've

looked through and seen only one post similar to this - and this was

from somebody who saw a recent change in her child's complexion, any

ideas would be appreciated.

>This is my first post, and sorry so long, but I've been hanging

around here for a year now, and in February finally stated chelation,

now all these things are going on I'm scared, and want to make sure

I'm doing everything OK. Somebody who's been chelating for years has

suggested adding in ALA to the protocol which worked well with her son.

>Do you think I should carry on with DMSA? Maybe add in ALA, or try

ALA on it's own to see if there is any change. I haven't had Callum

tested for 3 years, but hair analysis and UTM showed very high levels

of mercury and lead and arsenic, and I couldn't see the point in

doing again, as it was obviously in there and needed to come out.

Ok, it would be generally good to see the hair test, but if there is high lead,

you definitely need DMSA. You will only need it for a total of 3 days per

month, though, so if this turns out to be hard on him (and DMSA is for me, it

makes me very tired), then you would not have to do much of it.

I would suggest using ALA and seeing what the effect is. See if it's

better/different from DMSA. I would also suggest trying the sulfur exclusion

diet that I mentioned. If he is high sulfur and you need to go on a sulfur

restricted diet, then that would not only improve symptoms, but it would also

improve yeast.

You could also see about DMPS, since that shouldn't make the yeast issue worse.

Of course, you know it's Rx, so that's a bit of a pain.

>Any comments most welcome.

>Elaine

[Guest guest]

I would think that the tiredness and the black circles are from

detox. You may want to lower dose and make sure you are mineralizing

enough. The red ears is definitely a sign of phenol sensitivity.

I'm not sure abotu the pupils, but I woul see if that improves as you

add in more minerals and reduce dose. OR, I would imagine you could

try staying at this dose, but moving to a 3/11 vs a 3/4 dosing schedule.

Ruth

On Jun 7, 2008, at 12:17 AM, Dave - AM & FDC Posts wrote:

> Elaine - below:

>

> Posted by: " simondavis@... " simondavis@...

> simon_c_davis

> Date: Tue Jun 3, 2008 11:20 pm ((PDT))

>

> Hi,

>

> >Wondering if I can post side effects of my 9 year old during

> chelation and get feedback on where to go? We started in February

> this year. He's getting oral DMSA (25mg) every 4 hours. I started

> with a tiny

> dose in February, and have worked up to the 25mg. After every round

> (even with the small dose) he shows the following symptoms:

>

> >Seems excessively tired

>

> It's not unusual to be tired, but what do you mean by

> " excessively " ? How long

> does it go on after a round? Are you saying that the tiredness

> didn't increase

> with increasing dose? That seems ... unlikely to me.

>

> >Huge black rings around his eyes

>

> I don't know, but I've seen someone here mentioned reaction to

> phenols as a

> possibility. I suppose it could also be related to the tiredness

> you were just

> mentioning.

>

> >red ears

>

> Don't know.

>

> >pupils which are normally dilated even more so

>

> I saw something in AI on dilated pupils. Let me see if I can find

> it ...

> Nope, can't find it. I did some search on list though, and found this:

>

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/44223.html

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/81940.html

>

> Also:

>

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/44223.html

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/56426.html

>

> So it looks like this is not unusual, could be mercury, and could

> be other

> things in addition. Mercury is likely part of it, since it gets

> worse on round

> and rounds do provoke symptoms. Have you done an elimination diet

> on him? Do

> you use probiotics? Other than the yeast, how is his gut? I know

> glutamine

> is used for a permeable gut; but that's just off the cuff, I'm sure

> there are

> other things.

>

> >Stimming and scripting and OCD behaviours much worse

>

> I know Andy suggests Inositol, grams of it, for OCD. The rest

> <<might>> be yeast.

>

> >After a couple of days he seems to get back on track,

>

> It even takes a couple of days for a small dose? Have you tried

> ALA? Have

> you seen the same thing?

>

> >but not back to his normal self,

>

> You mean, the rounds are making him go downhill?

>

> >I've definitely not seen any gains. I'm just about

> to star VSL 3 to see if we can eradicate any yeast issues, as my

> normal yeast protocol doesn't seem to be working. His tongue is very

> coated and often has the red ring around his anus.

>

> Ok, that does sound like yeast, and if it's getting worse on round

> then the

> effects could go on for more than the 24 hours that is generally

> acceptable for

> the post-round effects of chelation. Have you tried a sulfur

> exclusion diet

> yet, to work out his sulfur status? (Search on onibasu.com for " sulfur

> exclusion diet " )

>

> >Also, just wondering if anybody can shed some light on this, as we've

> never gotten to the bottom of this. Since he was very young, say

> around 2.5 years he has had yellow tinged sallow skin. When it's at

> its worst, he looks really poorly. He browns really easily if he

> doesn't wear sunscreen (both me and his Dad are fair skinned and burn

> easily). Liver tests have come back OK, and carotene not an issue

> (which is what all doctors have fobbed me off with!). Andy, I've

> looked through and seen only one post similar to this - and this was

> from somebody who saw a recent change in her child's complexion, any

> ideas would be appreciated.

>

> >This is my first post, and sorry so long, but I've been hanging

> around here for a year now, and in February finally stated chelation,

> now all these things are going on I'm scared, and want to make sure

> I'm doing everything OK. Somebody who's been chelating for years has

> suggested adding in ALA to the protocol which worked well with her

> son.

>

> >Do you think I should carry on with DMSA? Maybe add in ALA, or try

> ALA on it's own to see if there is any change. I haven't had Callum

> tested for 3 years, but hair analysis and UTM showed very high levels

> of mercury and lead and arsenic, and I couldn't see the point in

> doing again, as it was obviously in there and needed to come out.

>

> Ok, it would be generally good to see the hair test, but if there

> is high lead,

> you definitely need DMSA. You will only need it for a total of 3

> days per

> month, though, so if this turns out to be hard on him (and DMSA is

> for me, it

> makes me very tired), then you would not have to do much of it.

>

> I would suggest using ALA and seeing what the effect is. See if it's

> better/different from DMSA. I would also suggest trying the sulfur

> exclusion

> diet that I mentioned. If he is high sulfur and you need to go on a

> sulfur

> restricted diet, then that would not only improve symptoms, but it

> would also

> improve yeast.

>

> You could also see about DMPS, since that shouldn't make the yeast

> issue worse.

> Of course, you know it's Rx, so that's a bit of a pain.

>

> >Any comments most welcome.

> >Elaine

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cheers Dave for this.

I'll check out the links- I also need to have a really good look

through all the files I think.

Weird thing is that today and yesterday he's the best I'v seen him -

the healthiest since he was a toddler - I've increased minerals and

added in a bit more magnesium.

I'm going to give week off as suggested - lower dose, - the measle

like rash frightened me - but now gone - and he looks fantastic!

Long may it continue.....

Elaine

On 7 Jun 2008, at 05:17, Dave - AM & FDC Posts wrote:

> Elaine - below:

>

> Posted by: " simondavis@... " simondavis@...

> simon_c_davis

> Date: Tue Jun 3, 2008 11:20 pm ((PDT))

>

> Hi,

>

>> Wondering if I can post side effects of my 9 year old during

> chelation and get feedback on where to go? We started in February

> this year. He's getting oral DMSA (25mg) every 4 hours. I started

> with a tiny

> dose in February, and have worked up to the 25mg. After every round

> (even with the small dose) he shows the following symptoms:

>

>> Seems excessively tired

>

> It's not unusual to be tired, but what do you mean by

> " excessively " ? How long

> does it go on after a round? Are you saying that the tiredness

> didn't increase

> with increasing dose? That seems ... unlikely to me.

>

>> Huge black rings around his eyes

>

> I don't know, but I've seen someone here mentioned reaction to

> phenols as a

> possibility. I suppose it could also be related to the tiredness

> you were just

> mentioning.

>

>> red ears

>

> Don't know.

>

>> pupils which are normally dilated even more so

>

> I saw something in AI on dilated pupils. Let me see if I can find

> it ...

> Nope, can't find it. I did some search on list though, and found

> this:

>

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/44223.html

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/81940.html

>

> Also:

>

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/44223.html

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/56426.html

>

> So it looks like this is not unusual, could be mercury, and could

> be other

> things in addition. Mercury is likely part of it, since it gets

> worse on round

> and rounds do provoke symptoms. Have you done an elimination diet

> on him? Do

> you use probiotics? Other than the yeast, how is his gut? I know

> glutamine

> is used for a permeable gut; but that's just off the cuff, I'm sure

> there are

> other things.

>

>> Stimming and scripting and OCD behaviours much worse

>

> I know Andy suggests Inositol, grams of it, for OCD. The rest

> <<might>> be yeast.

>

>> After a couple of days he seems to get back on track,

>

> It even takes a couple of days for a small dose? Have you tried

> ALA? Have

> you seen the same thing?

>

>> but not back to his normal self,

>

> You mean, the rounds are making him go downhill?

>

>> I've definitely not seen any gains. I'm just about

> to star VSL 3 to see if we can eradicate any yeast issues, as my

> normal yeast protocol doesn't seem to be working. His tongue is very

> coated and often has the red ring around his anus.

>

> Ok, that does sound like yeast, and if it's getting worse on round

> then the

> effects could go on for more than the 24 hours that is generally

> acceptable for

> the post-round effects of chelation. Have you tried a sulfur

> exclusion diet

> yet, to work out his sulfur status? (Search on onibasu.com for

> " sulfur

> exclusion diet " )

>

>> Also, just wondering if anybody can shed some light on this, as we've

> never gotten to the bottom of this. Since he was very young, say

> around 2.5 years he has had yellow tinged sallow skin. When it's at

> its worst, he looks really poorly. He browns really easily if he

> doesn't wear sunscreen (both me and his Dad are fair skinned and burn

> easily). Liver tests have come back OK, and carotene not an issue

> (which is what all doctors have fobbed me off with!). Andy, I've

> looked through and seen only one post similar to this - and this was

> from somebody who saw a recent change in her child's complexion, any

> ideas would be appreciated.

>

>> This is my first post, and sorry so long, but I've been hanging

> around here for a year now, and in February finally stated chelation,

> now all these things are going on I'm scared, and want to make sure

> I'm doing everything OK. Somebody who's been chelating for years has

> suggested adding in ALA to the protocol which worked well with her

> son.

>

>> Do you think I should carry on with DMSA? Maybe add in ALA, or try

> ALA on it's own to see if there is any change. I haven't had Callum

> tested for 3 years, but hair analysis and UTM showed very high levels

> of mercury and lead and arsenic, and I couldn't see the point in

> doing again, as it was obviously in there and needed to come out.

>

> Ok, it would be generally good to see the hair test, but if there

> is high lead,

> you definitely need DMSA. You will only need it for a total of 3

> days per

> month, though, so if this turns out to be hard on him (and DMSA is

> for me, it

> makes me very tired), then you would not have to do much of it.

>

> I would suggest using ALA and seeing what the effect is. See if it's

> better/different from DMSA. I would also suggest trying the sulfur

> exclusion

> diet that I mentioned. If he is high sulfur and you need to go on

> a sulfur

> restricted diet, then that would not only improve symptoms, but it

> would also

> improve yeast.

>

> You could also see about DMPS, since that shouldn't make the yeast

> issue worse.

> Of course, you know it's Rx, so that's a bit of a pain.

>

>> Any comments most welcome.

>> Elaine

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