Re: Parents use religion to avoid vaccines

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thank you for sharing that

Sheri

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At 08:31 PM 10/18/2007 -0400, you wrote:

>I just looked up religion on Dictionary.com and one of the definitions is:

>something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics

>or conscience. That seems to be a good fit for how many feel about not

>vaccinating, so I don't think there is any lying going on.....your

>conscience won't allow you to have your child vaccinated.

>

>Trish

>

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> Re: Parents use religion to avoid vaccines

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>

>I use the religious exemption for my 4 year old son. What else could I do if

>I did not have that. The state of new Jersey does not allow Philosophical

>exemption's. I don't like to lie but my son got sick with his 1st round. I

>would never let him go through that again. My 14 year old daughter was vaxed

>until 4years old with no reactions, those were here last though.

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I was watching an Offit lecture on C-span. On it, I

heard that vaccination is to protect adults because as

you've stated, it can't be to protect vaccinated

children. He was so provaccine that I was awestruck by

his one sidedness. Vicky

--- kerbob1 <robertbloch@...> wrote:

> Offit continues to stage the fight of his life to

> save his own skin.

> The media thinking themselves as good eggs refuse to

> print the heavy

> stuff that Offit is actually a baby killer, and he

> is just one of the

> modern merchants of death.

>

> Does anybody in the media know how many American

> infants and toddlers

> are killed by the national vaccine program each

> year? You have that

> information available, right?

>

> Offit won't debate Kirby because he knows he'd

> be creamed. What

> does it tell you when the leading vaccine expert is

> a yellow-bellied

> coward when it comes time to level his pro-vaccine

> marketplace media

> playing field?

>

> Instead he appears in these pastey articles

> maintaining the upper hand

> over mostly non-experts. To Offit the only fair

> fight is one fought

> against non-scientific people like parents of

> infants and toddlers. The

> reporters can't conceal the fact that Offit insists

> on disclosures of

> gathered materials, either. And his biased

> perspective is from a

> vaccine merchant.

>

> The ignorant reporters owe it to Americans to learn

> more on their own

> about the lethality and long-term dangers of

> vaccination and not lean

> on culprits who might be using them to save their

> own skin.

>

> If you take all the people concentrated in one area

> of a so called

> disease outbreak and spread them across the United

> States Offit has no

> point. First of all, there was no outbreak if there

> was no virus

> isolated. The article I read makes no mention of the

> present condition

> of the so called outbreak illnesses, the vaccine

> history of these ill,

> nor does it mention what the PCR results of this so

> called outbreak

> were. The reporter did fact check the PCR, right?

>

> The vaccine gurus were recently egg-faced over the

> fact that the latest

> hoof and mouth disease outbreak in England was

> centered around " leaks "

> from " an animal disease and vaccine research

> laboratory " . Duh....

>

> If Offit is so stupid that he wants to blame

> unvaccinated children for

> his so called " outbreaks " he's not much of a student

> of his own

> purported " science " . The unvaccinated, regardless of

> their positions in

> faith, pose absolutely no threat to vaccinated

> individuals, who may or

> may not have so called concerns. To those people (if

> there actually are

> any) let them continue to trust that their vaccines

> work and let us

> expect that nobody vaccinated is going to get sick.

>

> So if members of the public actually are concerned

> they should all just

> shut up and stick to trusting Offit's vaccine

> health claims.

>

> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm5513.pdf See pages

> 364 and 366.

>

>

> >

> >

> >

>

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> day=Wed & ycg & g=news.front_page

> >

> > Offit causing problems again/still...

> > S S

> >

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_dmo25@..._ (mailto:dmo25@...) wrote:

The media keep trumpeting that unvacccinated children cause outbreaks among

vaccinated children.

Excuse me, but doesn't that suggest the vaccines don't work? If their

vaccines are in fact so effective, what do vaccinated people have to fear?

Dean

Dear Dean and Group:

Exactly! How can they say the vaccines work and then say they don't? They

make my skin crawl with disgust.

Heidi N

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Offit's pro-vaccine book is for sale at my Whole Foods, right next to all

the anti-vaccine books.

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Good point Sheri, , I am NOT lying,

I have a quote from Black's Law Dictionary in my exemption letter.

It states, " Man's relation to Divinity, to reverence, worship, obedience,

and submission to mandates and precepts of supernatural or superior beings.

In its broadest sense includes all forms of belief in the existence of a

superior beings exercising power over human beings by volition, imposing

rules on conduct, with future rewards and punishments. Bond uniting man to

God, all a virtue whose purpose is to render God worship due him as source

of all being and principal of all government of things "

I have that in my letter that is at the Dr's office in both boys files, and

at school.

Western NY

-- Re: Parents use religion to avoid vaccines

At 04:35 PM 10/18/2007 -0700, you wrote:

>I use the religious exemption for my 4 year old son. What else could I do

if I did not have that. The state of new Jersey does not allow

Philosophical exemption's. I don't like to lie but my son got sick with his

1st round. I would never let him go through that again. My 14 year old

daughter was vaxed until 4years old with no reactions, those were here last

though.

Why do you say you are lying?

Here is the law

" A written statement should be submitted by the student, or the student's

parent or guardian if the student is a minor, explaining how the

administration of the vaccine conflicts with the bona fide religious tenets

or practices of the student, or the parent or guardian, as appropriate;

except that a general philosophical or moral objection to the vaccination

shall not be sufficient for an exemption on religious grounds. "

It is your bona fide religious tenets............................

Everybody, don't get hung up on this.............................who

defines religion anyway? It is part of your sincerely held belief system.

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

The media keep trumpeting that unvacccinated children cause outbreaks among

vaccinated children.

Excuse me, but doesn't that suggest the vaccines don't work? If their

vaccines are in fact so effective, what do vaccinated people have to fear?

Dean

[Guest guest]

So in essence parents are agreeing to have poison injected into their children

to prevent disease (it seems so silly when you say it) but they believe it will

only work if every other parent agrees to inject their children with poison as

well (sounds even sillier). It's amazing that the medical community has been

able to sell this idea.

Marie Quisenberry

leesamarie2828@...

Re: Parents use religion to avoid vaccines

Well, there IS such a thing as the greater good. We sacrifice for it

every day, when we get in our cars and follow traffic laws, etc.

People thinking only of themselves is one of the problems of human

nature - hoarding of foodstuffs or supplies when there is a shortage,

for example. People thinking, well, I've got mine, why should I care

about you?

None of those are the same as injecting things into your children, of

course, but I can understand the frustration of those who believe

that those who don't immunize are endangering everybody else, and,

given their belief in herd immunity, it makes sense to me that they

would want to minimize the number of people not vaccinating (by

keeping religious exemptions for religious " kooks " only). I'm not

saying I agree with them, but I understand where they're coming from.

Most of all I wish there was a way to change this mentality that

dreads illness of any kind and believes that we must do whatever it

takes, including forcing people to take medicines like vaccines, to

keep it at bay. The fact that a normal childhood illness such as

chickenpox, for example, became this huge thing to fear and force

vaccinations for is insanity to me.

Angie

On Oct 18, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

> The rest

> of the world does NOT mandate vaccines for school attendance and

> elsewhere

> (except for France, some eastern European countries & possibly

> Italy still)

I wish there was more information about this made public in the U.S.;

we are so often isolated and the news media doesn't bother to go to

the effort to look at what other countries are doing and compare.

>

> This is an article written for the exact purpose of dividing people

> - to

> turn people against each other; to turn people against non-vaccinators

> And also to make people feel guilty for not protecting others - this

> concept is called Utilitarianism - a dangerous belief system

> You are supposed to sacrifice yourself/your child for the 'greater

> good' -

> whatever that is (determined by someone who has a financial

> incentive in

> most cases)

> The usual 'vaccinate-as- much-as-you- can' Offit spew

> Sheri

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exactly...the only ones " at risk " would therefore be the " unvaccinated

ones. "

common sense & logic...hmmmm

wishing all the best answers

elizabeth

>

> The media keep trumpeting that unvacccinated children cause outbreaks

among

> vaccinated children.

>

> Excuse me, but doesn't that suggest the vaccines don't work? If their

> vaccines are in fact so effective, what do vaccinated people have to

fear?

>

> Dean

>

>

>

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my second thought. I am sooo not looking foward to " flu shot " season.

and the ensuing sharing of the shot version of flu, that we seem to be

catching from the vaccinated people in our lives, for the past couple

years - right along with them. As we have " recovered " from our versions

of the flu (big sigh - eventually), seems it Does work, in a roundabout

sort of way, after feeling way too crappy for waaayyy too long, that

is..gotta love that one...can't prove it, but sure feels like it to

me,yk?

fwiw

wishing all the best answers

elizabeth

>

> The media keep trumpeting that unvacccinated children cause outbreaks

among

> vaccinated children.

>

> Excuse me, but doesn't that suggest the vaccines don't work? If their

> vaccines are in fact so effective, what do vaccinated people have to

fear?

>

> Dean

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Correct me if I am wrong but most Christians believe drinking and smoking is a

sin because it pollutes the body and the bible states that your body is holy

Tabernacle and should be treated as such. So then wouldn't it mean that it is

also a sin to pollute the body with harmful chemicals? Which means any faith

that believes in the bible can claim religious exemption.

Sonya

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I was thinking about the book of Revelations the other day. Doesn't the book of

Relevations state that there will be a great plague upon the earth? There are

several plagues described in the book, but a Christian could argue that they

believe tampering with God's perfect creation will later bring about the most

deadly disease ever seen. This disease would be the result of mass vaccinations

and overmedicating out of greed of the drug companies.

I'm trying to be prepared to defend my beliefs...one pediatrician already

wrote me off as a quack.

Sonya OBrien <frogfoot1969@...> wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong but most Christians believe drinking and

smoking is a sin because it pollutes the body and the bible states that your

body is holy Tabernacle and should be treated as such. So then wouldn't it mean

that it is also a sin to pollute the body with harmful chemicals? Which means

any faith that believes in the bible can claim religious exemption.

Sonya

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[Guest guest]

> I'm trying to be prepared to defend my beliefs...one pediatrician

already wrote me off as a quack.

consider that an honor!

and you don't have to defend your beliefs

Sheri

>

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Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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I found this scripture 1 corinthians 6:19-20

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you,

whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a

price. Therefore honor God with you body.

This is the only one I could find right now. What you said about Revelations

make complete sense.

Sonya

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[Guest guest]

>

> The media keep trumpeting that unvacccinated children cause outbreaks

among

> vaccinated children.

>

> Excuse me, but doesn't that suggest the vaccines don't work? If their

> vaccines are in fact so effective, what do vaccinated people have to

fear?

>

> Dean

The national vaccine program is the outright equivolent of pumping the

community pool to the brim with raw, untreated human and toxic wastes

then blowing the whistle pronoucing it safe for your babies to swim.

[Guest guest]

This is what they told my friend who was vaccinated fully AND had the measles

and the mumps as a child. She had no antibodies to anything but TB and CP.

*

SAH/CC/PD'ing mom to Isabella (13.5), Chloe (11) and Sophie (5)

and two puppies, Roxy (10 mths) & Buddy (18 mths)

Re: Parents use religion to avoid vaccines

> the article says that resistance to vaccines is " an irrational, fear-

> based decision. "

>

> funny, but it's the other way around. I can't understand how doctors

> can say this. Measles, whooping cough, and mumps are not a real

> threat, but childhood cancers, asthma, autism, and poor immune

> systems are.

>

> And now that more and more parents are declining vaccines, are there

> more outbreaks of these diseases.

>

> And again, the thing I really don't understand is that they claim

> vaccines make a child IMMUNE to childhood diseases, yet if there is

> an unvaxxed child sitting next to them, they are in danger. I just

> don't get it.

[Guest guest]

AMEN TO THAT!!!!!

Vaccinations@...: twotheark@...: Thu, 18 Oct

2007 20:31:43 -0400Subject: Re: Parents use religion to avoid

vaccines

I just looked up religion on Dictionary.com and one of the definitions is:

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or

conscience. That seems to be a good fit for how many feel about not vaccinating,

so I don't think there is any lying going on.....your conscience won't allow you

to have your child vaccinated.Trish Re: Parents use religion to

avoid vaccinesI use the religious exemption for my 4 year old son. What else

could I do if I did not have that. The state of new Jersey does not allow

Philosophical exemption's. I don't like to lie but my son got sick with his 1st

round. I would never let him go through that again. My 14 year old daughter was

vaxed until 4years old with no reactions, those were here last though.bluheron

<bluheron@...> wrote: Yeah, I saw that in a newspaper tonight, didn't

like whatFisher said, about not using the religious exemption unless weare

genuine, what else do we have?! I am not jepordizing my kidsand waiting around

for laws to be changed so we can have something elseTo claim....sorry

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