Re: AC Protocol Effectiviness

[Guest guest]

> What I dont understand is how come DAN

> doctors have not adopted this protocol? From what I have research

> every DAN doctor has a different approach when it comes to chelation.

> The real question has AC presented his great work to the DAN group? It

> will be great if we all DAN doctors will use AC protocol as a standard

> for chelation.

I did some digging in the archives, and found posts from Andy that

answer all your questions:

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Comments_on_other_protocols

Jay

[Guest guest]

I forgot to mention, if you want to search the onibasu archives for

Andy's posts on the DAN! protocol, go to onibasu.com, select

autism treatment, and use search queries like:

+from:andycutler dan* protocol

+from:andycutler dan* consensus

+from:andycutler dan* conference

The order of terms doesn't matter, e.g.

protocol +from:andycutler dan*

is the same as the first one above.

Jay

[Guest guest]

> My intention with this email is to collect feedback from parents

> that are currrently administering the AC protocol.

I am chelating my 42 lb child using the AC protocol and have just

finished round 2 (using 6.5 mg DMSA/dose).

> It is my understanding that it is the safest and most effective

> protocol for chelation on children under the spectrum.

That's mine also after lots of reading. Many others on this list have

also drawn the same conclusion.

> What I dont understand is how come DAN doctors have not adopted this

> protocol?

You can also look up message #53055 to read Andy's view & some of his

historical notes about the DAN vs AC protocol. Seems that many DAN!

doctors did follow the AC protocol in the beginning & then they

changed protocols.

My DAN told me that she followed the AC protocol in the beginning but

that " it didn't work " . Apparently, many parents couldn't handle the

routine, especially the night wakings & were asking for another

approach. The AC protocol posed big problems for working parents too

who couldn't be around to dole out the daily doses.

I told the DAN that I was not comfortable using her protocol (high

doses of EDTA & DMSA 8 hrs for lead & mercury) and told her I was

going to do the AC protocol. She supports me in this decision ( & kudos

to her for this since I can still work with her despite this) but she

said that the AC protocol would not give any results & fully expects

me to come back to her in 3-5 months of " no results chelation " .

According to her, the AC doses are not high enough for a 6 yr old.

Well, my daughter is responding to the low DMSA doses & we've seen

positive results so far. Nothing earth shattering, but noticeable

positive differences with continued good health and we're very

pleased. No regression between rounds either so far.

I am after safe, effective, long-term & lasting results and improved

health and am willing to put in the effort required with AC way.

> The real question has AC presented his great work to the DAN group?

I read somewhere that he was invited to present at a DAN conference

but others will have clarify what year(s). I have read that some DAN

doctors prescribe (or is it prescribed?) hair tests through DDI so

that they could use AC's hair test interpretation rules for the

results. Don't know how true that is now given the spreading

preference for porphyrins, challenge & other test methods out there.

> will be great if we all DAN doctors will use AC protocol as a

> standard for chelation.

Yes I agree. Or at the very least, I wish there was some form of

honest tracking mechanism available for patients for short-, medium-

and long-term progress with each protocol. I've read that some kids

can experience set backs after recovery and would like to have more

facts about the circumstances in these cases, including the chelation

protocols that were followed.

Hope this helps,

M.

[Guest guest]

I am chelating my 42 lb child using the AC protocol and have just

finished round 2 (using 6.5 mg DMSA/dose).

***I am curious to know how you were able to get the dose of DMSA so

low? I have the 100mg capsules, but have no idea how to divide it up

so as to get that small of an amount. I would appreciate any help you

could offer.

Bless,

Summer

>

> > My intention with this email is to collect feedback from parents

> > that are currrently administering the AC protocol.

>

> I am chelating my 42 lb child using the AC protocol and have just

> finished round 2 (using 6.5 mg DMSA/dose).

>

> > It is my understanding that it is the safest and most effective

> > protocol for chelation on children under the spectrum.

>

> That's mine also after lots of reading. Many others on this list

have

> also drawn the same conclusion.

>

> > What I dont understand is how come DAN doctors have not adopted

this

> > protocol?

>

> You can also look up message #53055 to read Andy's view & some of

his

> historical notes about the DAN vs AC protocol. Seems that many DAN!

> doctors did follow the AC protocol in the beginning & then they

> changed protocols.

>

> My DAN told me that she followed the AC protocol in the beginning

but

> that " it didn't work " . Apparently, many parents couldn't handle the

> routine, especially the night wakings & were asking for another

> approach. The AC protocol posed big problems for working parents too

> who couldn't be around to dole out the daily doses.

>

> I told the DAN that I was not comfortable using her protocol (high

> doses of EDTA & DMSA 8 hrs for lead & mercury) and told her I was

> going to do the AC protocol. She supports me in this decision ( &

kudos

> to her for this since I can still work with her despite this) but

she

> said that the AC protocol would not give any results & fully

expects

> me to come back to her in 3-5 months of " no results chelation " .

> According to her, the AC doses are not high enough for a 6 yr old.

>

> Well, my daughter is responding to the low DMSA doses & we've seen

> positive results so far. Nothing earth shattering, but noticeable

> positive differences with continued good health and we're very

> pleased. No regression between rounds either so far.

>

> I am after safe, effective, long-term & lasting results and improved

> health and am willing to put in the effort required with AC way.

>

> > The real question has AC presented his great work to the DAN

group?

>

> I read somewhere that he was invited to present at a DAN conference

> but others will have clarify what year(s). I have read that some DAN

> doctors prescribe (or is it prescribed?) hair tests through DDI so

> that they could use AC's hair test interpretation rules for the

> results. Don't know how true that is now given the spreading

> preference for porphyrins, challenge & other test methods out

there.

>

> > will be great if we all DAN doctors will use AC protocol as a

> > standard for chelation.

>

> Yes I agree. Or at the very least, I wish there was some form of

> honest tracking mechanism available for patients for short-, medium-

> and long-term progress with each protocol. I've read that some kids

> can experience set backs after recovery and would like to have more

> facts about the circumstances in these cases, including the

chelation

> protocols that were followed.

>

> Hope this helps,

> M.

>

[Guest guest]

It helps to start off with 25 mg capsules, available from www.vrp.com Then

you can just dump the contents onto a piece of paper or glass and divide

into 4 equal piles with a knife or razor.

Dean

I am chelating my 42 lb child using the AC protocol and have just

finished round 2 (using 6.5 mg DMSA/dose).

***I am curious to know how you were able to get the dose of DMSA so

low? I have the 100mg capsules, but have no idea how to divide it up

so as to get that small of an amount. I would appreciate any help you

could offer.

Bless,

Summer

.

[Guest guest]

> ***I am curious to know how you were able to get the dose of DMSA so

> low? I have the 100mg capsules, but have no idea how to divide it up

> so as to get that small of an amount. I would appreciate any help

> you could offer.

I use 50 mg capsules and do as Dean suggests below. I dump the

contents onto a plate & then divide into 2 equal piles using a sharp

knife. I repeat with each pile until I get 8 piles of roughly 6.25 mg

each.

You can do something similar with your 100 mg capsules. Dump the

contents onto a flat surface & start dividing in half. If you get a

raised mound of powder, try flattening/spreading it so that it looks

uniform in size & thickness & then divide in half. Then divide each

mound in half & so on until you get equal doses that are appropriate.

HTH,

M.

[Guest guest]

www.vrp.com sells 25 mg capsules of DMSA. YOu can buy empty capsules at most

health food stores.

S S

Re: AC Protocol Effectiviness

Posted by: " summergrogan " summergrogan97@... summergrogan

Sun Mar 9, 2008 10:22 am (PDT)

I am chelating my 42 lb child using the AC protocol and have just

finished round 2 (using 6.5 mg DMSA/dose).

***I am curious to know how you were able to get the dose of DMSA so

low? I have the 100mg capsules, but have no idea how to divide it up

so as to get that small of an amount. I would appreciate any help you

could offer.

Bless,

Summer

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Ed wrote this to me from another site:

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I use a Cap-M-Quick with size O capsules.

I have found that 15ml = 25 capsules (or 30ml will do all 50

capsules, but I usually make 25 at a time).

So, my method for making 25 capsules:

-break open as many DMSA/DMPS/ALA capsules worth of chelator as I

want in 25 capsules into a little measuring cup (e.q.I used 10 100mg

caps of DMSA to make 25 40mg caps).

-top off the measuring cup to 15 ml with Vit C powder.

-put this mix in a little jar and shake it up until it is well mixed.

-pour the mix out on the Cap-M-Quick and spread into 25 caps.

-Ed

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Google Cap-M-Quick to purchase the system

> ***I am curious to know how you were able to get the dose of DMSA

so

> low? I have the 100mg capsules, but have no idea how to divide it

up

> so as to get that small of an amount. I would appreciate any help

you

> could offer.

>

> Bless,

> Summer

>

>

>

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We have done 120 rounds over the last 2.5 years. She is

indistinguishable from her peers except in positive ways. No dx, no

learning disabilities, no delays in expressive/receptive language or

fine or gross motor skills. Excellent social skills. In regular first

grade with no aide.

We're very grateful, however, I still see her immune system as needing

propped up from time to time and wondering about our options for

additional interventions such as LDN and/or antiviral treatment. Really

hesitant to do anything.

We're not much for putting her in front of people but whenever I hear

someone say that the AC protocol does not work....we're tempted.

>

> My intention with this email is to collect feedback from parents that

> are currrently administering the AC protocol. It is my understanding

> that it is the safest and most effective protocol for chelation on

> children under the spectrum. What I dont understand is how come DAN

> doctors have not adopted this protocol? From what I have research

> every DAN doctor has a different approach when it comes to chelation.

> The real question has AC presented his great work to the DAN group?

It

> will be great if we all DAN doctors will use AC protocol as a

standard

> for chelation.

>