Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 >for awhile i will be browsing the archives and getting to know >what history is contained there. if i see anything that i can help >with, i'll jump in. > >breathe in health >maggi quinlan Have fun, Maggi, and just jump in -- this is a good " starter " group, as we have a long history, great archives, files and links, and many helpful members. > Anya http://.com The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume / Join to study natural perfumery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 > > Hello, > My son is 3 years old and we have an appointment to talk to his > nutritional doctor about chelation this week. > > 1. Is there anything I should know to ask her about at our first > meeting? > > 2. She mentioned doing a test that draws the heavy metals out of the > tissues so that it can be measured in the urine. Is this a typical way > to test for heavy metals, or should I ask for another way? This already told you she is incompetent and there is no reason to go. This is a challenge test. Challenge tests have no diagnostic utility, and can be dangerous and harmful if not done using a proper chelation protocol. > > 3. Any advice on starting chelation? The ONLY thing that matters is doing it right. How nice a doctor you see has no influence whatsoever on what the chelating agents do inside your kid's body. Proper chelation instructions are available on this list, in the book Hair Test Interpretation: FInding Hidden Toxicities (which also tells you about a useful test - the hair test - to figure out what is going on) www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html and the book Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment www.noamalgam.com > Any information from people who have already been through this would be > extremely helpful! The files section of this listserver is extremely informative and useful. > > Thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 In case you aren't familiar with Andy Cutler, he wrote the books recommended in his reply. I'm not telling you this to discredit him... many of us follow his chelation advice partially or completely. I have both books. It does sound like your doctor wants to do a challenge test, which involves giving your child a large dose of chelator at once and then measuring the metals that are excreted in the urine. Often these doses are 10-50 times the amount Andy would recommend in a single dose. In addition to being uninformative (I've never understood what these tests were intended to show even before I met Andy), they are also very stressful on the organs and can/will lead to metal redistribution and perhaps huge regressions in behavior and health. There IS still a chance that this doctor can be useful to you. My doctor does challenge tests in her practice but not on my child. Ask if she will order Doctors Data Urine Toxic Metals tests for you to use instead during your normal chelation weekend. I would also talk about what dose your doc intends you to use on a weekly basis (and the frequency). I would expect she will recommend a higher dose than what Andy would recommend. Take a look in the Files section for more information on the common protocol WE follow on this list. It will involve low doses (1/4-1/2 mg per pound of weight) and frequent dosing (every 3, 4 or 8 hours depending on what you use). Oral; not IV, suppository or transdermal. Of course, you are probably reading about lots of different protocols. On this group, you are going to get info about oral chelation, low dosing, frequent dosing, and avoiding docs who recommend otherwise. I wish you luck. Personally, I think following Andy's advice is the best place to start. It is based on science, it doesn't waiver with the latest fad (there are lots of them), it is the least stressful on the organs and it can be done without a doctor if you prefer to avoid them. Pam > > > > Hello, > > My son is 3 years old and we have an appointment to talk to his > > nutritional doctor about chelation this week. > > > > 1. Is there anything I should know to ask her about at our first > > meeting? > > > > 2. She mentioned doing a test that draws the heavy metals out of the > > tissues so that it can be measured in the urine. Is this a typical way > > to test for heavy metals, or should I ask for another way? > > This already told you she is incompetent and there is no reason to go. > > This is a challenge test. Challenge tests have no diagnostic utility, and can be dangerous > and harmful if not done using a proper chelation protocol. > > > > 3. Any advice on starting chelation? > > The ONLY thing that matters is doing it right. How nice a doctor you see has no influence > whatsoever on what the chelating agents do inside your kid's body. > > Proper chelation instructions are available on this list, in the book Hair Test Interpretation: > FInding Hidden Toxicities (which also tells you about a useful test - the hair test - to > figure out what is going on) > > www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html > > and the book Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment > > www.noamalgam.com > > > Any information from people who have already been through this would be > > extremely helpful! > > The files section of this listserver is extremely informative and useful. > > > > Thanks. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Agreeing with Pam.... We started out with hair tests, looking at our history of exposure, and a symptom list. Then we commited to ten rounds following Andy's protocol. We re-evaluated after the ten rounds and decided to keep going. Why not protect your child from a potentially disasterous challenge test, and try ten rounds of safe (Andy's protocol!) chelation? Sometimes (often?) MDs need " proof " on paper, and resort to challenge tests. Is it really a necessary step? (I don't think so). Good luck, and be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I don’t understand what a nutritional doctor is. The test for heavy metals mentions sounds like it could be a challenge test. Some question whether those are safe or not. We have never done one on my son. Pamela " Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared. " Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of rnjgonzales Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: [ ] First Meeting Hello, My son is 3 years old and we have an appointment to talk to his nutritional doctor about chelation this week. 1. Is there anything I should know to ask her about at our first meeting? 2. She mentioned doing a test that draws the heavy metals out of the tissues so that it can be measured in the urine. Is this a typical way to test for heavy metals, or should I ask for another way? 3. Any advice on starting chelation? Any information from people who have already been through this would be extremely helpful! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 > > I don't understand what a nutritional doctor is. It is a marketing term so they can say they are " different " and " special " so you should go to them, not a " drug doctor " or " regular doctor " or " chemical doctor. " Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 My son had the DMSA challenge test, he turned red for two weeks, and it took 6 months to decrease his symptoms back to where they were before the challenge test. Just tell them you don't want to do it. The doc can still be of benefit, but you must pick and choose what you want to do with your child. I will do no more challenge tests. Heidi N ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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