Re: DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

[Guest guest]

An egg allergy being compared to a flu shot? What does that have to do with

anything. I wasnt saying there were no allergies in my family. Every family has

allergies. I was just saying no one died from the flu vaccine or were diasabled

from it.

[ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

>

>

> Gettting flu shots for kids and adults is a classic example of

poor judgment fostered by

> the human sacrificing state medical religion.

>

> We just saw a post on a flu shot inducing autism, and I know of a

case of a flu shot killing

> someone. I also know of a case where it caused permanent

disabling heart damage in an

> adult - and apparently this is quite common. There is a

cardiologist in Seattle who gets all

> the cases of that locally and sees dozens each year.

>

> It is pointless to ask if the shots are thimerosal free, due to

brainwashing in school, health

> care practitioners often think it is OK to lie to you in order to

get you to have the shot.

> You have to read the package insert out of the vial box yourself

to know.

>

> The flu shot carries some unquantifiable but nontrivial risk of

disability or death, despite

> lies to the contrary by health care providers.

>

> It is protecting you against the flu. Unless you are VERY VERY

weak and ill, the flu does

> not have any significant risk of killing you or disabling you

permanently.

>

> Basically you are getting the shot for your kids for convenience -

you don't want to take

> care of them for a few days if they get it. You don't want to

miss any work from them or

> you getting it.

>

> This is not an adequate reason for anyone with any sense to take

even the slightest risk of

> death or disability.

>

> Andy

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ooops meant I mean I was sure I was not going to die. Missed a word, sorry. Not

even sure what I was saying actually

Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

In a message dated 10/12/07 4:22:22 PM Central Daylight Time,

marie.brewer@... writes:

> I'm sure when I needed stiches and got a tetanus shot (landed on a nail)

> I " m sure I was going to die if it got infected but I still got the shot.

I'm not sure that's a fair equivalent as an example. Just my opinion.

Believe it or not, we are in your corner.

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[Guest guest]

That is exactly how I feel, , . I came here to learn about biomedical

treatments. SOmeone on here mentioned preservative free flu vaccines just gave

what I heard from my doctor and several days later people are arguing with me

and pretty much calling me stupid for getting a flu shot shot for my kids. Its

just like the egg story some people can have some can't . Maybe some of your

children couldnt have vaccines. I personally feel its pestisides in food/

water/soil and maybe just an inability to digest casein/gluten since a lot

children get better from diet alone. I do NOT believe its the shots. Hence, that

is why I still vaccinate but I educate myself on the shots prior. I " m sure some

dont think the diet helps so they dont do it, same thing. You do what you think

will help or what the problem is and that is what I " m doing same as everyone

else. thanks for summing up how I feel as well. At least I'm not the

only one. Marie

Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

Wow - as someone who came to this site to learn, I'm pretty turned

off by all of this nonsense. Not everyone knows as much as lots of

people on this list do, and I certainly have benefitted from reading

al lthis information and my eyes are opened. It takes all of us

time to process and time to learn. Without anyone really knowing

anyone too personally on this list, there are some pretty personal

jabs (no pun intended). We as parents of children with autism have

SO much to think about, SO many things to research and process and

make decisions about. ALL are critical, whether if it's for that

moment or for the long term. Let's not turn in to our own worst

enemies, please. If the goal of this list is to educate, I'm all

about it. If it is to judge and criticize, uh - thanks I can get that

at the playground when my son throws a tantrum. I think I've had my

quota.

On Oct 12, 2007, at 5:30 PM, P. wrote:

> Don't bother - you obviously won't relate anything that happens in the

> next 60 years of their life to the accumulation that included their

> flu

> shots. It is obvious that one of your children already isn't " up and

> running as normal, " and considering the current American health meter,

> I suspect none of you are - as none of us are. We are just trying to

> get you to read some credible sources, including the INCREDIBLY

> CREDIBLE

> input from Andy himself, especially given your already posted

> misinformation which we have refuted with said resources, so you can

> make a better informed decision and save pumping more toxins into the

> overload which is the current American body.

>

> You obviously aren't going to read any of the information in the links

> we provided because you want to believe in the flu shot - so why

> bother. We already know what it does. You trying to tell us their were

> and will be no ill effects on your kids just to avoid the

> inconvenience

> of the flu is irrelevant at this point. It's obvious you just want us

> to believe in your anecdote, and we already have enough knowledge and

> experience not to. The people here won't judge you, but I think I

> personally think this has been beaten into the ground enough, and you

> are unwilling to accept that any of us have relevant input or care.

> P.

>

> Marie Brewer wrote:

> >

> > I'll report back in a week or so and let everyone know if my kids

> had

> > any problems or if they are up and running as normal. I do

> appreciate

> > the concern.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've read all the links you sent. I read all of them I want to learn and educate

myself. I " m appreciate of you sending the links. I'm not trying to avoid an

inconvenience of the flu. You making me out to be some lazy carefree parent.

Would I be on here asking questions if that was the case. The people here are

judging me. Your telling me not to bother sharing my story with the vaccines.

Your saying i'm not reading stuff and I am , your making is sound like my kids

are an INCONVIENCE. Do you know me at all? I'm just defending myself . It think

its everyone else beating the DO NOT GET FLU SHOT , I believe I didnt make this

thread you guys did. I was simply telling someone on here I've heard of

preservative free that was it until I got attacked for getting flu shots. THis

is the last I " ll talk about flu shots because I " m getting one. I just wont

answer any more posts directed at me and we'll see who lets up first. I'm tired

of talking about it as well.

Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

Don't bother - you obviously won't relate anything that happens in the

next 60 years of their life to the accumulation that included their flu

shots. It is obvious that one of your children already isn't " up and

running as normal, " and considering the current American health meter,

I suspect none of you are - as none of us are. We are just trying to

get you to read some credible sources, including the INCREDIBLY CREDIBLE

input from Andy himself, especially given your already posted

misinformation which we have refuted with said resources, so you can

make a better informed decision and save pumping more toxins into the

overload which is the current American body.

You obviously aren't going to read any of the information in the links

we provided because you want to believe in the flu shot - so why

bother. We already know what it does. You trying to tell us their were

and will be no ill effects on your kids just to avoid the inconvenience

of the flu is irrelevant at this point. It's obvious you just want us

to believe in your anecdote, and we already have enough knowledge and

experience not to. The people here won't judge you, but I think I

personally think this has been beaten into the ground enough, and you

are unwilling to accept that any of us have relevant input or care.

P.

Marie Brewer wrote:

>

> I'll report back in a week or so and let everyone know if my kids had

> any problems or if they are up and running as normal. I do appreciate

> the concern.

>

[Guest guest]

This is certainly 100% your choice, Marie, and I know you haven't

made this decision without a lot of thought. But, as a parent who

believes 100% that vaccines tipped my son over the edge in to Autism,

it makes me cringe to think about your boys getting vaccinated. I'm

sorry we find it easy to attack one of 'our own'...

Be careful.

Pam

> > >

> > > I'll report back in a week or so and let everyone know if my

kids

> > had

> > > any problems or if they are up and running as normal. I do

> > appreciate

> > > the concern.

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are you aware that mercury poisoning has a two month " silent period " during

which you often don't see any consequences?

Barb

[ ] Re: DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

>

I know a ton of people that get the flu shots (as I have a my

husband and I have huge families) and they all see another healthy

day

You may want to google and find the studies that show how older

individuals who get 5 flu shots in a row are 10 times more likely to

develop Alzheimers than those who had only one or two shots. It

seems highly unlikely to me that Alzheimer's would be the only rather

horrible outcome of flu shots that takes some time develop.

Many people don't have to wait to see the horrible outcome. My son,

who received the bottom of the vial for his flu shot stopped speaking

two days later. I didn't see the connection at the time. He

rebounded somewhat, and I stupidly let him have the second dose one

month later. He still doesn't speak.

Anita

[Guest guest]

SOmething in common, I am also a psychologist although right now I " m a stay at

home mom.

Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

>

>

> I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

remember reading a

> statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

dying from

> flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

>

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[Guest guest]

Kristi,

Very nicely put. I know my older son shows great compassion for peoplle when

they are hurt or sick. For example, with my knee injury as I was bleeding

profusely my 5 year old looked at me and said " mommy I feel so bad for you " and

he was trying to help me get to the chair and stuff. I definately know what you

mean about stopping everything else and just giving them ginger ale and

attention, my kids loving being able to sleep in mommys bed when there sick. Too

bad we cant give up chores everyday and just hold them, pretty soon they're too

big for that ! Thanks for getting me though. Marie

Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

In a message dated 10/13/07 8:32:45 AM Central Daylight Time,

marie.brewer@... writes:

> I'm not trying to avoid an inconvenience of the flu. You making me out to

> be some lazy carefree parent.

Marie I just want you to know that I do not think this about you at all. As

a matter of fact I think every parent you find on these lists are the kind who

go above and beyond for their children or they wouldn't be here researching,

learning, giving of their time to help their families and others. Nope, I

think just the opposite about you. As I have read all of your posts, I see one

thing that you keep repeating....not wanting your children to suffer with the

flu and to feel horrible or be sick. How ironic it is that this is the exact

same reason there have been so many opposing posts...because of the fear of

the

development of other kinds of sufferings. We are all truly on the same

page!!!!!

I will respect your choice to not participate in this particular thread

further. If this list would bare with me one indulgence, I would love to share

a

parenting philosophy regarding trying to spare children all sufferings and

hardships. Now I'm not talking about autism or permanent disabilities but just

that desire to spare our children all bumps and bruises along lifes highway

because we just love them so darn much! Boy..... is it not tempting to try to

do?

But you know what? That's not always good for our children. By way of

example only, how many of us know parents who jumped in and " rescued " their

children from ever suffering the consequences of their own choices and the

result is

they grow up to be irresponsible and selfish adults, spreading the misery,

never learning! That parent and child would have been much better off letting

the child suffer the smaller sufferings to prevent larger ones down the road.

(I guess you see where I'm headed with that illustration). Sometimes allowing

small sufferings is a GIFT (in the long run). I know it is so hard to see

our children suffer with colds, flu, sinus infections, etc. but good can come

of

everything!!! At the very least when our children suffer short term sickness,

they develop sympathy for others who are sick or infirm and they get first

hand understanding as to why you DO NOT expose others to sickness, etc. I have

family who have not suffered much physically and as a result they do not have

sympathy or understanding for those who do. So afflictions can develop

character. If you ever decide to skip the flu shot and your children were to

per

chance suffer for a few short days physically with the flu that season, know

that at the very least, it will produce patience, compassion, careful hygeine

habits, and more, as well as an appreciation for what a blessing good health

truly is!! You know some of my sweetest memories of my childhood with my

mother

is the tender, loving care she would give to me when I was out from school

with

a cold or virus. That was our special time together when the house was empty

from all except me and my mom. No chores, just mom showing her love and care

with banana popsicles, ginger ale and she and I vegging in front of the TV

together. Life slowed down and we were just together. So good things can come

from short term sufferings in lots of varied and unexpected ways. I will try

to " rest my case " on this subject now and I appreciate all who have read my

thoughts and shown me patience as I have expressed my beliefs. You guys are

fabulous!

Kristi

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I'm guessing she meant " after " and typed " before " .

Barb

Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

>

>

> I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

remember reading a

> statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

dying from

> flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

>

> **************************************

> See what's new at http://www.aol.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

We just don't want one more parent going through the hell that we have . . .

We've all been where you are, asking these hard questions and not wanting to

believe the answers. I went around like that for several months and my son was

TWENTY when I finally couldn't escape the answers after awhile. The hardest

part is when reality sinks in, you have to go through all the stages of grief

(those of us who have autie kids) because you realize this was all so

preventable.

TWENTY-YEARS that didn't have to happen . . .

Barb

[ ] Re: DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

This is certainly 100% your choice, Marie, and I know you haven't

made this decision without a lot of thought. But, as a parent who

believes 100% that vaccines tipped my son over the edge in to Autism,

it makes me cringe to think about your boys getting vaccinated. I'm

sorry we find it easy to attack one of 'our own'...

Be careful.

Pam

> > >

> > > I'll report back in a week or so and let everyone know if my

kids

> > had

> > > any problems or if they are up and running as normal. I do

> > appreciate

> > > the concern.

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have read all the posts since I have to make this decision this week

for my 6 year old ds. The school is giving free flu shots to all the

students and staff. I've decided not to risk it. I personally have

never, ever gotten a flu shot. Not because of the whole mercury thing.

I just never got one. And I have never gotten more than a mild case of

the flu. Same thing for my kids. My dd has never gotten it.

I have learned so much from this and other boards. I enjoy all the

differing opinions. I take it all in then decide for myself. Just an

observation though....this is the board. So chances are

very good you are going to hear from people that are passionate about

the subject of mercury and vaccines.

[Guest guest]

I assume so too

Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

>

>

> I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

remember reading a

> statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

dying from

> flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

>

> **************************************

> See what's new at http://www.aol.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sad to here. I am now dealing with the mom of a 17 month old who as an

infant, had fevers of 105 and high pitch screaming that resulting in

hospitalization after every round of vaccines. She said her baby was

fine until his two month vaccines. Then got really sick and the

constant crying and screaming began. She had to go out and buy him a

swing because nothing else comforted him. Not even her. Yet, being

young she felt she had no choice but to continue to vaccinate. Now at

17 months he has no speech at all. Never cooed as a baby or garbles.

He spins all day, points and grunts. She was afraid but took him to

the doc finally, and they told her what we all know.

She said, she knew it was those shots. But sadly, he is due for his 18

months vaccines and none of us can convince her that she does not have

to vaccinate him. She just gave birth to another healthy baby boy

yesterday...but I am guessing not for long. He too will be vaxed...and

probably on the spectrum.

My sisters friend, just this year had a wonderful little four year old

boy. Bright and typical in development. No issues at all. Perfectly

healthy, no allergies...nothing. Vaccinated from birth. They took him

for his check up to enter preschool, which required 5 vaccines. Two

days later they put him down for nap, like everyday. He never woke up.

they went to check on him after two hours, and he was not breathing.

He was unable to be resuscitated. They buried their healthy 4 year old

son. Outraged...they waited for autopsy results, because he was

healthy, they had no idea what could have caused this. The morgue did

tons of testing on him, including hair testing, toxicology...stuff

they don't normally do. The doctor told them it was his medical

finding that the vaccines caused his death, but since he could not

forensically proove this, he had to label the child's death as SIDS,

even though the child was too old to qualify for a SIDS death.

What utter Bull....I was already angry at what the vaccines did to my

child. But when this happened earlier this year to both these kids who

are friends of the family...it only adds to it. I know the new parents

that just start here don't understand our fury. They don't understand

our passion to make them understand, why we so are so against

vaccination. Because this is why. A perfectly health child can die

from them. They don't always cause obvious damage immediately.

Sometimes you end up autoimmune in your 20's instead. Or with chilhood

diabetes...all I can every do is advise parents to download the

vaccine package insert from the manufacturer and read those pages of

side effects and possible contradiction. One of which says " death " . So

there is always a risk..every time you inject one of those. The risk

of effects admitted by the manufacturer was enough to stop me. People

will do what they will. And that is fine. As long as they don't expect

us to help them if they choose to continue to worsen the problem.

One cannot chelate a child for mercury if there is continuous

exposures. This is dangerous.

I know it may seem that everyone was " attacking " you. We don't meant

to at all. We just know from our own experience, what these vaccines

are doing to people's children. We have read the science, we have

spent years reading and researching...we have seen it with our own

eyes. Does anyone here know that they removed thimerosal from animal

vaccines years ago? It was making the animals sick, and the vets

requested it be removed. I hope you find what's best for you and your

children...please don't resent us for trying to save every little one

we can. We can't help it..

> >

> > I''m not worried about my kids dying. I just dont like when there

> sick, so I " m trying to help them not get the flu. I'm sure when I

> needed stiches and got a tetanus shot (landed on a nail) I " m sure I

> was going to die if it got infected but I still got the shot. I got

> that shot two months ago, and i " m just fine. My knee looks horrible

> but I feel fine. Those 4 shots to numb the area and tetanus shot did

> not do me in and I felt better not feeling my knee

> > Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

> >

> >

> > I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

> remember reading a

> > statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

> dying from

> > flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

> >

> > **************************************

> > See what's new at http://www.aol.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My little girl regressed after the flu shot at the age of 7 months.

Unfortunately, time doesn't go back. I am so sad and sorry for what

happened to all these children, our children. Jan, I am so sorry for

the death of the little boy. It's absolutely heart-breaking.

Samar

> > >

> > > I''m not worried about my kids dying. I just dont like when

there

> > sick, so I " m trying to help them not get the flu. I'm sure when

I

> > needed stiches and got a tetanus shot (landed on a nail) I " m

sure I

> > was going to die if it got infected but I still got the shot. I

got

> > that shot two months ago, and i " m just fine. My knee looks

horrible

> > but I feel fine. Those 4 shots to numb the area and tetanus

shot did

> > not do me in and I felt better not feeling my knee

> > > Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > > I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

> > remember reading a

> > > statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance

of

> > dying from

> > > flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

> > >

> > > **************************************

> > > See what's new at http://www.aol.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Wow, Sorry to hear that . I know a mom who lost her child at I think 3 years

old. They were on vacation. He had an immune disorder and must have caught

someone. Its awful to loose a child Marie

Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

> >

> >

> > I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

> remember reading a

> > statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

> dying from

> > flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

> >

> > **************************************

> > See what's new at http://www.aol.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Good decision, I don't get why everyone is not wary of something

that is FREE in the first place. When did you ever get something for

FREE that didn't have strings attached or someone elses agenda with

it?

Why are these shots free?

What's in it for them? They can deduct it from their taxes as

" charity " . One must always ask questions with something that is free

or too good to be true.

>

> I have read all the posts since I have to make this decision this

week

> for my 6 year old ds. The school is giving free flu shots to all

the

> students and staff. I've decided not to risk it. I personally have

> never, ever gotten a flu shot. Not because of the whole mercury

thing.

> I just never got one. And I have never gotten more than a mild

case of

> the flu. Same thing for my kids. My dd has never gotten it.

>

> I have learned so much from this and other boards. I enjoy all the

> differing opinions. I take it all in then decide for myself. Just

an

> observation though....this is the board. So chances

are

> very good you are going to hear from people that are passionate

about

> the subject of mercury and vaccines.

>

[Guest guest]

Marie, you just don't seem to get what we are all saying to you.

Just because you took the shot and you are fine means nothing. BTW,

why are you here???? Do you have a child with autism??? If so then

perhaps everything WAS NOT FINE after his/her shot! If you don't

have a child with autism then you might be a pharm rep or something

because that is what you sound like. Either way, I am tired of

trying to get you to understand the big picture. Go ahead and

continue to bury your head in the sand and keep giving those flu

shots (which still contain mercury, aluminum and formaldehyde btw)

Tina

> >

> > I''m not worried about my kids dying. I just dont like when

there

> sick, so I " m trying to help them not get the flu. I'm sure when

I

> needed stiches and got a tetanus shot (landed on a nail) I " m

sure I

> was going to die if it got infected but I still got the shot. I

got

> that shot two months ago, and i " m just fine. My knee looks

horrible

> but I feel fine. Those 4 shots to numb the area and tetanus shot

did

> not do me in and I felt better not feeling my knee

> > Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

> >

> >

> > I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

> remember reading a

> > statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance

of

> dying from

> > flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

> >

> > **************************************

> > See what's new at http://www.aol.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

WOW, I really don't think you are educated on this topic to be

posting as much as you are on this topic!!!!!! IF YOU HAVE AN EGG

ALLERGY YOU COULD DIE, YES DIE FROM THE FLU SHOT!!!!!!!!!!!! That is

what egg and flu shot have to do with each other!!!! It is grown on

egg embryo and if you have an anaphylactic reaction you could die.

Your doctor, if he is a good doctor, should ask if you have an

allergy to egg products before giving you the flu shot.

Tina

> >

> > Actually I'm a stay at home mom and dont mind taking care of

them

> when there sick. Its not the issue for me. I plan on reading the

> packaging materials before he gets it. I know a ton of people

that

> get the flu shots (as I have a my husband and I have huge

families)

> and they all see another healthy day

> > [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

> >

> >

> > Gettting flu shots for kids and adults is a classic example of

> poor judgment fostered by

> > the human sacrificing state medical religion.

> >

> > We just saw a post on a flu shot inducing autism, and I know

of a

> case of a flu shot killing

> > someone. I also know of a case where it caused permanent

> disabling heart damage in an

> > adult - and apparently this is quite common. There is a

> cardiologist in Seattle who gets all

> > the cases of that locally and sees dozens each year.

> >

> > It is pointless to ask if the shots are thimerosal free, due

to

> brainwashing in school, health

> > care practitioners often think it is OK to lie to you in order

to

> get you to have the shot.

> > You have to read the package insert out of the vial box

yourself

> to know.

> >

> > The flu shot carries some unquantifiable but nontrivial risk

of

> disability or death, despite

> > lies to the contrary by health care providers.

> >

> > It is protecting you against the flu. Unless you are VERY VERY

> weak and ill, the flu does

> > not have any significant risk of killing you or disabling you

> permanently.

> >

> > Basically you are getting the shot for your kids for

convenience -

> you don't want to take

> > care of them for a few days if they get it. You don't want to

> miss any work from them or

> > you getting it.

> >

> > This is not an adequate reason for anyone with any sense to

take

> even the slightest risk of

> > death or disability.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry to beat this to DEATH but I just have to say Marie--WHY ARE

YOU ON THIS GROUP IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THE MERCURY AUTISM

CONNECTION?!?!?!?! Did you not notice the title of this group? I

have never said this to anyone before but perhaps this is not the

group for you and you should sign off--you are not here for

information and quite honestly I don't know why you are here.

Tina

> >

> > I'll report back in a week or so and let everyone know if my

kids had

> > any problems or if they are up and running as normal. I do

appreciate

> > the concern.

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

OK, For the last time, In this post I was saying no one in my family had a

severe reaction I wasnt talking about the general pop. If you read my post I

said my doc asks about egg allergy and I know you can't thave a flu shot if you

do , I think I even posted that in reponse to you if it was your daughter who

had the egg allergy. I am on here for information on biomedical treatment, I

signed on because someone of this list recommended me to sign on because of the

questions about biomedical treatment I was asking on another list. I know what

the name of the group is and I understand that no one on here vaccinates and I'm

fine with that afterall we can all make whatever decisions we want for our kids.

I mentioned a few days ago I wasnt talking about the vaccines anymore, perhaps

you missed that.

[ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

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> >

> > Gettting flu shots for kids and adults is a classic example of

> poor judgment fostered by

> > the human sacrificing state medical religion.

> >

> > We just saw a post on a flu shot inducing autism, and I know

of a

> case of a flu shot killing

> > someone. I also know of a case where it caused permanent

> disabling heart damage in an

> > adult - and apparently this is quite common. There is a

> cardiologist in Seattle who gets all

> > the cases of that locally and sees dozens each year.

> >

> > It is pointless to ask if the shots are thimerosal free, due

to

> brainwashing in school, health

> > care practitioners often think it is OK to lie to you in order

to

> get you to have the shot.

> > You have to read the package insert out of the vial box

yourself

> to know.

> >

> > The flu shot carries some unquantifiable but nontrivial risk

of

> disability or death, despite

> > lies to the contrary by health care providers.

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> > It is protecting you against the flu. Unless you are VERY VERY

> weak and ill, the flu does

> > not have any significant risk of killing you or disabling you

> permanently.

> >

> > Basically you are getting the shot for your kids for

convenience -

> you don't want to take

> > care of them for a few days if they get it. You don't want to

> miss any work from them or

> > you getting it.

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> > This is not an adequate reason for anyone with any sense to

take

> even the slightest risk of

> > death or disability.

> >

> > Andy

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[Guest guest]

Have you tried other biomedical groups on yet or just this one?

There are some groups that talk about many different biomedical

options that do not necessarily discuss the vaccines and stuff. I

don't mean to be so harsh on what you say---maybe I woke up on the

wrong side of the bed this morning when I responded to the e-mails

over the weekend but I do want to appologize for my tone. I think it

is your right to do as you see fit for your children and I don't have

the right to bash you for it. I know what I do for my child is right

and I would not want anyone telling me I am wrong. I just feel this

forum may not be the perfect place for you to discuss this matter. I

agree with Andy and others that the files section is a wonderful

resource for info on the Flu shot and all vaccines. I do think that

you show tremendous restraint and you are a lady when posting---don't

always get that on some of these groups :-)

Tina

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> OK, For the last time, In this post I was saying no one in my family

had a severe reaction I wasnt talking about the general pop. If you

read my post I said my doc asks about egg allergy and I know you can't

thave a flu shot if you do , I think I even posted that in reponse to

you if it was your daughter who had the egg allergy. I am on here for

information on biomedical treatment, I signed on because someone of

this list recommended me to sign on because of the questions about

biomedical treatment I was asking on another list. I know what the

name of the group is and I understand that no one on here vaccinates

and I'm fine with that afterall we can all make whatever decisions we

want for our kids. I mentioned a few days ago I wasnt talking about

the vaccines anymore, perhaps you missed that.