Re: DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

[Guest guest]

I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO remember reading a

statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of dying from

flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

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[Guest guest]

Actually I'm a stay at home mom and dont mind taking care of them when there

sick. Its not the issue for me. I plan on reading the packaging materials

before he gets it. I know a ton of people that get the flu shots (as I have a my

husband and I have huge families) and they all see another healthy day

[ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

Gettting flu shots for kids and adults is a classic example of poor judgment

fostered by

the human sacrificing state medical religion.

We just saw a post on a flu shot inducing autism, and I know of a case of a

flu shot killing

someone. I also know of a case where it caused permanent disabling heart

damage in an

adult - and apparently this is quite common. There is a cardiologist in

Seattle who gets all

the cases of that locally and sees dozens each year.

It is pointless to ask if the shots are thimerosal free, due to brainwashing

in school, health

care practitioners often think it is OK to lie to you in order to get you to

have the shot.

You have to read the package insert out of the vial box yourself to know.

The flu shot carries some unquantifiable but nontrivial risk of disability or

death, despite

lies to the contrary by health care providers.

It is protecting you against the flu. Unless you are VERY VERY weak and ill,

the flu does

not have any significant risk of killing you or disabling you permanently.

Basically you are getting the shot for your kids for convenience - you don't

want to take

care of them for a few days if they get it. You don't want to miss any work

from them or

you getting it.

This is not an adequate reason for anyone with any sense to take even the

slightest risk of

death or disability.

Andy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/12/07 4:22:22 PM Central Daylight Time,

marie.brewer@... writes:

> I'm sure when I needed stiches and got a tetanus shot (landed on a nail)

> I " m sure I was going to die if it got infected but I still got the shot.

I'm not sure that's a fair equivalent as an example. Just my opinion.

Believe it or not, we are in your corner.

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In a message dated 10/12/07 4:32:17 PM Central Daylight Time,

the.great.zambini@... writes:

> You obviously aren't going to read any of the information in the links

> we provided because you want to believe in the flu shot

I am NOT presumming to speak for Marie at all, but I know for me, I was late

to come around to accepting the facts and evidence regarding the shots because

I couldn't deal with my participation in this. I was the one who took my

daughter to the dr. and held her down when she was helpless and had no choice or

voice in the matter. I had such a bad feeling about it that I cried when they

gave it to her. I had a HORRIBLE time forgiving myself and as a result

didn't WANT to believe in the dangers of the vaccinations or the corruption of

the

medical personel. But it has helped me to forgive myself and face the reality

of it all when I remembered that when I gave her the shots, I was naive enough

to still believe that Dr's were about helping and healing and not about

business and prosperity. I had caved to fear; fear of her getting something

that

there was an innoculation for....fear of my parents judgement and ridicule (as

is their practice)...fear of not doing what the " authority figures " in my life

thought I should; fear I was not a good mother if I didn't try to run to do

everything I could to prevent every possible conceivable disease, bump or

bruise. I didn't know about mercury or other fact regarding vaccines then...it

just felt horribly wrong to be injecting this stuff into small children. I

asked

all the right questions before submitting but I now know I did not get full

disclousure. I know that this is all these wonderful members of this list are

trying to do...to give to others what we did not get....FULL DISCLOSURE.

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[Guest guest]

That's what we've been trying to tell you, Marie. Just because those

you know seem to walk away health, and don't get the flu, doesn't mean

there isn't more going on. This is not just a short term fix, but the

long term drawbacks can be devastating to the health. Some of the moms

here are trying to point out the drawbacks they have actually seen and

witnessed, so you know those who HAVEN'T walked about to see another

healthy day. The people on this message board are real people too, who

obviously care about you and your children and your decision enough to

give you real life stories of vaccination (flu or otherwise) gone awry.

What the MDs don't see is that it is more than just a reaction to the

shot today. The buildup can cause problems next month, next year, 10

years from now. The problem is all those toxins are not excreted

properly all the time, especially not in our ASD spectrum children who

have toxin release issues. Seeing the short term and missing the long

term is what our medical focus has become.

Instead of fighting us on it, consider that we may be offering you some

valid insight that you had not yet seen. Check out the links and

articles we've directed you to, and just make your decision completely

informed, instead of partially informed. We aren't judging you or

condemning you, we are just offering you valid information that you can

check out - in contrast to some of the misinformation that you have

shared with us which has been your previous knowledge.

As Andy, who is more knowledgeable than your neighborhood MD and the

author of the books people reference for chelation, has pointed out, we

have learned to be forceful because the brainwashing by the CDC, FDA,

Pharm Companies and MDs is so thorough. That, too, is something that

most of the people on this board have experienced first hand. Pointing

to my earlier post - they were even willing to CHANGE my daughter's

medical record when the brainwashing wore off of me to try to keep me in

line!!!

P.

Marie Brewer wrote:

>

> Actually I'm a stay at home mom and dont mind taking care of them when

> there sick. Its not the issue for me. I plan on reading the packaging

> materials before he gets it. I know a ton of people that get the flu

> shots (as I have a my husband and I have huge families) and they all

> see another healthy day

> [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

>

> Gettting flu shots for kids and adults is a classic example of poor

> judgment fostered by

> the human sacrificing state medical religion.

>

> We just saw a post on a flu shot inducing autism, and I know of a case

> of a flu shot killing

> someone. I also know of a case where it caused permanent disabling

> heart damage in an

> adult - and apparently this is quite common. There is a cardiologist

> in Seattle who gets all

> the cases of that locally and sees dozens each year.

>

[Guest guest]

In your support, I have rarely met a person who has had any benefits from the

flu jab. To the contrary I hear only about negatives. My next door neighbour (in

his seventies) is in renal failure. It happened two days after his flu

jab....They are convinced the jab was the trigger...He was otherwise healthy.

[ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

Gettting flu shots for kids and adults is a classic example of poor judgment

fostered by

the human sacrificing state medical religion.

We just saw a post on a flu shot inducing autism, and I know of a case of a

flu shot killing

someone. I also know of a case where it caused permanent disabling heart

damage in an

adult - and apparently this is quite common. There is a cardiologist in

Seattle who gets all

the cases of that locally and sees dozens each year.

It is pointless to ask if the shots are thimerosal free, due to brainwashing

in school, health

care practitioners often think it is OK to lie to you in order to get you to

have the shot.

You have to read the package insert out of the vial box yourself to know.

The flu shot carries some unquantifiable but nontrivial risk of disability or

death, despite

lies to the contrary by health care providers.

It is protecting you against the flu. Unless you are VERY VERY weak and ill,

the flu does

not have any significant risk of killing you or disabling you permanently.

Basically you are getting the shot for your kids for convenience - you don't

want to take

care of them for a few days if they get it. You don't want to miss any work

from them or

you getting it.

This is not an adequate reason for anyone with any sense to take even the

slightest risk of

death or disability.

Andy

[Guest guest]

I dont understand how that would take two days. I dont know all I know is I have

a big family as does my husband. We had a ton of friends with 2 or more kids all

of which get the flu shot so I'm not sure why I've never heard of anyone having

a problem. I'm not saying no one does. Maybe there was some health factors they

werent aware of. I couldnt really say. I cant recall when my son had his first

flu shot to know if its was near his regression I can look that up I guess

although I do believe there is a genetic component as well. I'll report back in

a week or so and let everyone know if my kids had any problems or if they are up

and running as normal. I do appreciate the concern.

[ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

Gettting flu shots for kids and adults is a classic example of poor judgment

fostered by

the human sacrificing state medical religion.

We just saw a post on a flu shot inducing autism, and I know of a case of a

flu shot killing

someone. I also know of a case where it caused permanent disabling heart

damage in an

adult - and apparently this is quite common. There is a cardiologist in

Seattle who gets all

the cases of that locally and sees dozens each year.

It is pointless to ask if the shots are thimerosal free, due to brainwashing

in school, health

care practitioners often think it is OK to lie to you in order to get you to

have the shot.

You have to read the package insert out of the vial box yourself to know.

The flu shot carries some unquantifiable but nontrivial risk of disability or

death, despite

lies to the contrary by health care providers.

It is protecting you against the flu. Unless you are VERY VERY weak and ill,

the flu does

not have any significant risk of killing you or disabling you permanently.

Basically you are getting the shot for your kids for convenience - you don't

want to take

care of them for a few days if they get it. You don't want to miss any work

from them or

you getting it.

This is not an adequate reason for anyone with any sense to take even the

slightest risk of

death or disability.

Andy

[Guest guest]

>

I know a ton of people that get the flu shots (as I have a my

husband and I have huge families) and they all see another healthy

day

You may want to google and find the studies that show how older

individuals who get 5 flu shots in a row are 10 times more likely to

develop Alzheimers than those who had only one or two shots. It

seems highly unlikely to me that Alzheimer's would be the only rather

horrible outcome of flu shots that takes some time develop.

Many people don't have to wait to see the horrible outcome. My son,

who received the bottom of the vial for his flu shot stopped speaking

two days later. I didn't see the connection at the time. He

rebounded somewhat, and I stupidly let him have the second dose one

month later. He still doesn't speak.

Anita

[Guest guest]

I''m not worried about my kids dying. I just dont like when there sick, so I " m

trying to help them not get the flu. I'm sure when I needed stiches and got a

tetanus shot (landed on a nail) I " m sure I was going to die if it got infected

but I still got the shot. I got that shot two months ago, and i " m just fine. My

knee looks horrible but I feel fine. Those 4 shots to numb the area and tetanus

shot did not do me in and I felt better not feeling my knee

Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO remember reading a

statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of dying from

flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

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[Guest guest]

Wow. How old is your son? My son also lost his speech but it was not drastic

like that. The only thing near his regressions was his 18months shots which

were 2 or 3 months prior. As for alzheimers do you mean 5 shots in a row as in

one season? or over 5 years. I can look into it. I dont get the shot. Like I

said I tend not to get sick , Im' a hand washing fiend although my kids are not

and that is where my concern comes in when in school.

[ ] Re: DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

>

I know a ton of people that get the flu shots (as I have a my

husband and I have huge families) and they all see another healthy

day

You may want to google and find the studies that show how older

individuals who get 5 flu shots in a row are 10 times more likely to

develop Alzheimers than those who had only one or two shots. It

seems highly unlikely to me that Alzheimer's would be the only rather

horrible outcome of flu shots that takes some time develop.

Many people don't have to wait to see the horrible outcome. My son,

who received the bottom of the vial for his flu shot stopped speaking

two days later. I didn't see the connection at the time. He

rebounded somewhat, and I stupidly let him have the second dose one

month later. He still doesn't speak.

Anita

[Guest guest]

Don't bother - you obviously won't relate anything that happens in the

next 60 years of their life to the accumulation that included their flu

shots. It is obvious that one of your children already isn't " up and

running as normal, " and considering the current American health meter,

I suspect none of you are - as none of us are. We are just trying to

get you to read some credible sources, including the INCREDIBLY CREDIBLE

input from Andy himself, especially given your already posted

misinformation which we have refuted with said resources, so you can

make a better informed decision and save pumping more toxins into the

overload which is the current American body.

You obviously aren't going to read any of the information in the links

we provided because you want to believe in the flu shot - so why

bother. We already know what it does. You trying to tell us their were

and will be no ill effects on your kids just to avoid the inconvenience

of the flu is irrelevant at this point. It's obvious you just want us

to believe in your anecdote, and we already have enough knowledge and

experience not to. The people here won't judge you, but I think I

personally think this has been beaten into the ground enough, and you

are unwilling to accept that any of us have relevant input or care.

P.

Marie Brewer wrote:

>

> I'll report back in a week or so and let everyone know if my kids had

> any problems or if they are up and running as normal. I do appreciate

> the concern.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have a huge family, too, and we all eat eggs almost every day

but one day my 4 year old nephew decided to eat one and ended up in

the hospital with hives and an air passage that was almost totally

closed up. I guess some people (especially children) cannot tolerate

or process what the general population seems to have no problem

with...go figure (she said just a little bit sarcastically ). Vicki

>

> Actually I'm a stay at home mom and dont mind taking care of them

when there sick. Its not the issue for me. I plan on reading the

packaging materials before he gets it. I know a ton of people that

get the flu shots (as I have a my husband and I have huge families)

and they all see another healthy day

> [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

>

>

> Gettting flu shots for kids and adults is a classic example of

poor judgment fostered by

> the human sacrificing state medical religion.

>

> We just saw a post on a flu shot inducing autism, and I know of a

case of a flu shot killing

> someone. I also know of a case where it caused permanent

disabling heart damage in an

> adult - and apparently this is quite common. There is a

cardiologist in Seattle who gets all

> the cases of that locally and sees dozens each year.

>

> It is pointless to ask if the shots are thimerosal free, due to

brainwashing in school, health

> care practitioners often think it is OK to lie to you in order to

get you to have the shot.

> You have to read the package insert out of the vial box yourself

to know.

>

> The flu shot carries some unquantifiable but nontrivial risk of

disability or death, despite

> lies to the contrary by health care providers.

>

> It is protecting you against the flu. Unless you are VERY VERY

weak and ill, the flu does

> not have any significant risk of killing you or disabling you

permanently.

>

> Basically you are getting the shot for your kids for convenience -

you don't want to take

> care of them for a few days if they get it. You don't want to

miss any work from them or

> you getting it.

>

> This is not an adequate reason for anyone with any sense to take

even the slightest risk of

> death or disability.

>

> Andy

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow - as someone who came to this site to learn, I'm pretty turned

off by all of this nonsense. Not everyone knows as much as lots of

people on this list do, and I certainly have benefitted from reading

al lthis information and my eyes are opened. It takes all of us

time to process and time to learn. Without anyone really knowing

anyone too personally on this list, there are some pretty personal

jabs (no pun intended). We as parents of children with autism have

SO much to think about, SO many things to research and process and

make decisions about. ALL are critical, whether if it's for that

moment or for the long term. Let's not turn in to our own worst

enemies, please. If the goal of this list is to educate, I'm all

about it. If it is to judge and criticize, uh - thanks I can get that

at the playground when my son throws a tantrum. I think I've had my

quota.

On Oct 12, 2007, at 5:30 PM, P. wrote:

> Don't bother - you obviously won't relate anything that happens in the

> next 60 years of their life to the accumulation that included their

> flu

> shots. It is obvious that one of your children already isn't " up and

> running as normal, " and considering the current American health meter,

> I suspect none of you are - as none of us are. We are just trying to

> get you to read some credible sources, including the INCREDIBLY

> CREDIBLE

> input from Andy himself, especially given your already posted

> misinformation which we have refuted with said resources, so you can

> make a better informed decision and save pumping more toxins into the

> overload which is the current American body.

>

> You obviously aren't going to read any of the information in the links

> we provided because you want to believe in the flu shot - so why

> bother. We already know what it does. You trying to tell us their were

> and will be no ill effects on your kids just to avoid the

> inconvenience

> of the flu is irrelevant at this point. It's obvious you just want us

> to believe in your anecdote, and we already have enough knowledge and

> experience not to. The people here won't judge you, but I think I

> personally think this has been beaten into the ground enough, and you

> are unwilling to accept that any of us have relevant input or care.

> P.

>

> Marie Brewer wrote:

> >

> > I'll report back in a week or so and let everyone know if my kids

> had

> > any problems or if they are up and running as normal. I do

> appreciate

> > the concern.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

The side effects are not always apparent immediately either. REmeber

that each shot contains 25 mcg of mercury. That accumulates in your

body and brain..eventually, one will get sick.

>

> I dont understand how that would take two days. I dont know all I

know is I have a big family as does my husband. We had a ton of

friends with 2 or more kids all of which get the flu shot so I'm not

sure why I've never heard of anyone having a problem. I'm not saying

no one does. Maybe there was some health factors they werent aware

of. I couldnt really say. I cant recall when my son had his first

flu shot to know if its was near his regression I can look that up I

guess although I do believe there is a genetic component as well.

I'll report back in a week or so and let everyone know if my kids

had any problems or if they are up and running as normal. I do

appreciate the concern.

> [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

>

> Gettting flu shots for kids and adults is a classic example of

poor judgment fostered by

> the human sacrificing state medical religion.

>

> We just saw a post on a flu shot inducing autism, and I know of

a case of a flu shot killing

> someone. I also know of a case where it caused permanent

disabling heart damage in an

> adult - and apparently this is quite common. There is a

cardiologist in Seattle who gets all

> the cases of that locally and sees dozens each year.

>

> It is pointless to ask if the shots are thimerosal free, due to

brainwashing in school, health

> care practitioners often think it is OK to lie to you in order

to get you to have the shot.

> You have to read the package insert out of the vial box yourself

to know.

>

> The flu shot carries some unquantifiable but nontrivial risk of

disability or death, despite

> lies to the contrary by health care providers.

>

> It is protecting you against the flu. Unless you are VERY VERY

weak and ill, the flu does

> not have any significant risk of killing you or disabling you

permanently.

>

> Basically you are getting the shot for your kids for

convenience - you don't want to take

> care of them for a few days if they get it. You don't want to

miss any work from them or

> you getting it.

>

> This is not an adequate reason for anyone with any sense to take

even the slightest risk of

> death or disability.

>

> Andy

>

>

[Guest guest]

The majority of people do not get the actual flu. They get viruses

that look like it and last 24-48 hours. However, the true flu last a

lot longer, up to 2 weeks or so, had cold symptoms, vomiting, diarrhea

etc.

The flu shot is another huge scam to make money.

I always laugh when they tell me babies need flu shots. Babies don't

usually get the flu. The few people who are suseptible to the flu that

might actually get sick enough to risk death are usually very sick

anyway, and if put in a hosptial will live. It's like 4 people a year

who die from the flu in the whole country. It's a false panic...

>

> I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO remember

reading a

> statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

dying from

> flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

>

>

>

> **************************************

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Many people here can relate to regression following the 18 month

vaccines. Mine lost his eye contact. It is a sad of needless thing

that medicine had allowed to happen to our kids.

> >

> I know a ton of people that get the flu shots (as I have a my

> husband and I have huge families) and they all see another

healthy

> day

>

> You may want to google and find the studies that show how older

> individuals who get 5 flu shots in a row are 10 times more

likely to

> develop Alzheimers than those who had only one or two shots. It

> seems highly unlikely to me that Alzheimer's would be the only

rather

> horrible outcome of flu shots that takes some time develop.

>

> Many people don't have to wait to see the horrible outcome. My

son,

> who received the bottom of the vial for his flu shot stopped

speaking

> two days later. I didn't see the connection at the time. He

> rebounded somewhat, and I stupidly let him have the second dose

one

> month later. He still doesn't speak.

>

> Anita

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And that, is it in a nutshell. I vaccinated until we found out that we

were being lied to. I didn't feel the remorse for taking my kids to get

these things pumped into their little systems when I finally found the

difference. I do see how others can though. I have a friend who

finally stopped vaxing when her last child was born. Our influence and

story had a lot to do with it. And she feels that remorse you speak

of. But, she also never tried to tell me that what happened to us or

the many people we knew who were damaged by vaccines was irrelevant

because the daughter she already vaccinated seemed fine. She also wasn't

defensive about her decision to vaccinate, and didn't think that just

because I related to her the info and stories we had I was condemning

her. The turning point was when confronted with vaccinating a brand new,

pristine body. She read the resources and did the studying, and

recognized the relevancy of exploring a different dimension - the one of

the stories of vaccine damage that the doctors hate for anyone to discuss.

Boopercat@... wrote:

>

> I asked all the right questions before submitting but I now know I

> did not get full disclousure. I know that this is all these wonderful

> members of this list are

> trying to do...to give to others what we did not get....FULL DISCLOSURE.

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

What gets me is the fact that concerned parents were told the mercury

was out of vaccines during the time the CDC approved not one, but two

thimerosal-containing influenza vaccines for infants and toddlers for

the first time ever.

Having learned a little about the significant risks apparently

involved in even a single TCV injection, my own snap-judgement at the

time was the CDC wanted a happy landing and not a clear drop-off in

autism rates. After all, these are people who have been known to put

thimerosal into placebos during vaccine trials for no other reason

whatsoever than counter-balancing adverse neurological effects to

TCVs.

http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/98/10/2308 (see methods)

Today, of course, the diagnostic criteria and the actual current

autism rates seem to be morphing to fit the apparent publicity and

liability needs of the CDC and its' non-profit partnerships.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2863431 & page=1

We learned that the CDC was basically lying about thimerosal removal

thanks to a 2002 memo leaked from Merck, which stated they were still

shipping TCVs. Other parents discovered that childhood shots

containing thimerosal were still in wide distribution circuits for

years after the so called precautionary removal.

In mid-2005 radio man Don Imus pointed out on national radio and

television that a member of his staff had visited a pediatrician a

week or a few days prior to the specific broadcast and had to point

out thimerosal listed on the package insert to the pediatrician.

Is the government-induced fear really for the good of the American

people? Statistically speaking, with uptake at all-time highs across

the country so called flu-related deaths increased.

Even if you have taken the flu shot you should read this written by

Harvard grad student Doshi.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/331/7529/1412

> >

> > I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

remember

> reading a

> > statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

> dying from

> > flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

My ASD son regressed after the flu shot, not his MMR. He was damaged by this

shot, no doubt in my mind.

[Guest guest]

My life long best friend is a special needs preschool teacher who happens to

have a son, age 7, now. She knows full well my stance on vaxes and flu shots

and despite her class growing larger every year does not buy into the

mercury/autism theory. She regularly gets her son a flu shot. Last year I saw

her son, then just barely 6 years three months before he got his yearly flu

shot, and saw him three months after when I noticed his speech was slushy.

He had always had perfect articulation, much like my dgd. I asked her when this

happened and she reported it was only about a month before he got the flu shot,

shame, really. Beautiful, smart boy who now needs speech therapy. She also

complained about his " sudden " defiant behavior at home where previously he had

been a pleasant, cooperative child. She still does not believe it was the shot

because she asked her ped and he told her there was absolutely no connection.

Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

>

>

> I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

remember reading a

> statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

dying from

> flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

>

> **************************************

> See what's new at http://www.aol.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/13/07 8:32:45 AM Central Daylight Time,

marie.brewer@... writes:

> I'm not trying to avoid an inconvenience of the flu. You making me out to

> be some lazy carefree parent.

Marie I just want you to know that I do not think this about you at all. As

a matter of fact I think every parent you find on these lists are the kind who

go above and beyond for their children or they wouldn't be here researching,

learning, giving of their time to help their families and others. Nope, I

think just the opposite about you. As I have read all of your posts, I see one

thing that you keep repeating....not wanting your children to suffer with the

flu and to feel horrible or be sick. How ironic it is that this is the exact

same reason there have been so many opposing posts...because of the fear of the

development of other kinds of sufferings. We are all truly on the same

page!!!!!

I will respect your choice to not participate in this particular thread

further. If this list would bare with me one indulgence, I would love to share

a

parenting philosophy regarding trying to spare children all sufferings and

hardships. Now I'm not talking about autism or permanent disabilities but just

that desire to spare our children all bumps and bruises along lifes highway

because we just love them so darn much! Boy..... is it not tempting to try to

do?

But you know what? That's not always good for our children. By way of

example only, how many of us know parents who jumped in and " rescued " their

children from ever suffering the consequences of their own choices and the

result is

they grow up to be irresponsible and selfish adults, spreading the misery,

never learning! That parent and child would have been much better off letting

the child suffer the smaller sufferings to prevent larger ones down the road.

(I guess you see where I'm headed with that illustration). Sometimes allowing

small sufferings is a GIFT (in the long run). I know it is so hard to see

our children suffer with colds, flu, sinus infections, etc. but good can come of

everything!!! At the very least when our children suffer short term sickness,

they develop sympathy for others who are sick or infirm and they get first

hand understanding as to why you DO NOT expose others to sickness, etc. I have

family who have not suffered much physically and as a result they do not have

sympathy or understanding for those who do. So afflictions can develop

character. If you ever decide to skip the flu shot and your children were to

per

chance suffer for a few short days physically with the flu that season, know

that at the very least, it will produce patience, compassion, careful hygeine

habits, and more, as well as an appreciation for what a blessing good health

truly is!! You know some of my sweetest memories of my childhood with my mother

is the tender, loving care she would give to me when I was out from school with

a cold or virus. That was our special time together when the house was empty

from all except me and my mom. No chores, just mom showing her love and care

with banana popsicles, ginger ale and she and I vegging in front of the TV

together. Life slowed down and we were just together. So good things can come

from short term sufferings in lots of varied and unexpected ways. I will try

to " rest my case " on this subject now and I appreciate all who have read my

thoughts and shown me patience as I have expressed my beliefs. You guys are

fabulous!

Kristi

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a month before the shot? My son is 5 gets the shot every year since he started

school and his speech is fine.

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> I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

remember reading a

> statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

dying from

> flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

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[Guest guest]

It was deep . They did clean it up but I really didnt care about getting the

shot. I use to get the TB shot every year while working at the hospital. I never

had a problem with any of it.

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> I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

remember reading a

> statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

dying from

> flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

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Sorry, misspoke, a month AFTER the shot, and his speech is slushy enough that he

requires speech therapy where previously there was no need. I am a psychologist

and speech is something I screen with all my kids as this is frequently a point

of attack for other kids to make fun of the child with the speech problem.

Re: [ ] DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

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> I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO

remember reading a

> statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

dying from

> flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

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Babies under 6 months have mom immunity so they wont get it. I didnt give my

kids the flu shot until my oldest started school. We all know how clean the

schools are. LIke I said, I " m not getting the shot because I'm worried about

them dying. I hated when I had the flu you feel lousy just dont want them to

feel that.

[ ] Re: DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!!

The majority of people do not get the actual flu. They get viruses

that look like it and last 24-48 hours. However, the true flu last a

lot longer, up to 2 weeks or so, had cold symptoms, vomiting, diarrhea

etc.

The flu shot is another huge scam to make money.

I always laugh when they tell me babies need flu shots. Babies don't

usually get the flu. The few people who are suseptible to the flu that

might actually get sick enough to risk death are usually very sick

anyway, and if put in a hosptial will live. It's like 4 people a year

who die from the flu in the whole country. It's a false panic...

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> I read so much that I can't remember the source, but I DO remember

reading a

> statistic that said you have LESS than a 1 in 150,000 chance of

dying from

> flu IF you even get it. So why risk the shot???

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