Re: DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!! - shots tipped the balance

[Guest guest]

I believe vaccines also tipped my child over the

edge into autism after a 2 month silent period

mentioned in an earlier post in this thread. I

thought we were normal and would have normal

luck like anyone else. If anything my family has

as a whole really good health. Now I realize

I was gambling (flat out - no screening to help

make decisions) on my fist child during vaccines

and could easily have made him autistic too -

I just got lucky (I know of strong reasons why

#2 was predisposed now based on pregnancy

behaviors I can discuss elsewhere, such as eating

lots of mercury-infused tuna). THE FIRST AND

ONLY WARNING I HAD THAT I WAS AT RISK FOR

BEING UNLUCKY WAS HAVING MY CHILD BECOME

AUTISTIC. This is why people in this group are

really tense about you vaccinating - they didn't

have a warning either. We have no family history

of autism - we just assumed we'd have normal

luck and boy, do we regret it.

[Guest guest]

Are you saying that you think your son is genetically predisposed to

react to the shots, but you're going to do more of them anyway? I'm

confused...?

Or did you think there was mercury in those shots he had just before

his regression and you think the problem is confined to the mercury?

> Although, me beliefs is that he was genetically predisposed to react

to the shots. I dont think vaccines are dangerous just not for

everybody.

[Guest guest]

Oh, I understand - so you're doing the flu shot for your non-ASD child

because you think they don't cause him any harm, but not doing them

for your ASD kid, who you think is more sensitive.

> I'm saying it can be due to mercury in shots + environment +

pesitcides etc. I'm saying autism is genetic with environmental

triggers. Its not just due to mercury from what I believe anyways. My

ASD son has a different makeup then my typical son. THat is all I

meant sorry . I'm overloaded this week

[Guest guest]

Because you said one of them was more susceptible to things like that,

and that he had regression two months after a series of vaccines, and

that you thought there was a genetic basis for ASD disorders, implying

your son might have such a genetic predisposition - I just assumed

you meant you were not vaccinating the ASD son. Sorry, I'm sure I am

the one that can't seem to follow the reasoning. ;-)

> I'm vaccinating both of them. Not sure where you got I wasnt doing one?

[Guest guest]

I'm starting to get the same feeling. Hey guys, we tried our best.

But it sounds like Marie is determined to give her sons the flu shot,

no matter what real life horror stories anyone has to offer so maybe

we should just stop talking about it. This is getting ridiculous!

Sheresa

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> Is this a hoax.....starting to feel like one?

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tipped the balance

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> Because you said one of them was more susceptible to things like

that,

> and that he had regression two months after a series of vaccines,

and

> that you thought there was a genetic basis for ASD disorders,

implying

> your son might have such a genetic predisposition - I just assumed

> you meant you were not vaccinating the ASD son. Sorry, I'm sure I

am

> the one that can't seem to follow the reasoning. ;-)

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> > I'm vaccinating both of them. Not sure where you got I wasnt

doing one?

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[Guest guest]

Comments interspersed:

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> We have no family history either. As for a 2 month silent period my

son starting regressing aft 20 months so his 18 month shots could have

been to blame. Although, me beliefs is that he was genetically

predisposed to react to the shots. I dont think vaccines are

dangerous just not for everybody. I do know his MMR was at 12 months

so it wasnt a year silent period. I know MMR is the one everyone

questions at least those I talk to.

((Not me, all the shots caused regressions or problems for us))

I did see some stuff on DTaP which my son had at 18 months.

(Which indicates this as a cause or at least a contributing factor))

He also had the booster for that at 4 yrs (this past July) but I did

look up the names of the thimersol free

((I question them all, I saw regressions with all of shots. And if you

saw regressions or changes following shots...it only makes sense to

stop giving them. this is why we did. I saw clearly that following 2

months vaccines my happy infant took to screaming all night instead of

sleeping. Or how after his 18 months shots his eye contact changed and

he no longer looked at us))

((No such thing as Thimerosal free, if you read the package insert, it

says thimerosal is used to manufacture the vaccines, so traces may

remain in the final product. With the exception of MMR. It does not

have thimerosal because it's a live virus. They are thimerosal

reduced...not thimerosal free, then they add aluminum to them, both

metals together are synergistically toxic. My son's shots were

supposedly thimerosal free also. In the files of this board, there is

testing from DDI labs of thimerosal free vaccines, which indeed

contained mercury.))

on this shot and they showed me the bottle. I was adviced to check

titers from other on another list but I didnt do that.

((this is a viable option if you fear him getting disease, as this is

why you continue to vaccinate, At least you would have paper proof

that he did not need further vaccines))

I'm awaiting his blood work to see if his autism was genetic. When I

get those results I can let everyone know. ((Don't be surprised if

it's not. There is no " gene " for autism.))

His lead was normal via a blood test. It was .2 which I guess to .9

is normal.

((MY sons blood lead was 2, but his hair lead was redlined. Do a hair

test before your rule out metals. Blood lead of 2 is high enough to

cause developmental problems. Just hair test him, and then you can

know if metals are an issue for him or not. That really made it clear

for us when we did the hair test.))

Not saying any lead is good in the body because its not. I'm not

sure what my typical son is , he wasnt tested. Perhaps I " ll have them

to a urine at his 6 yr visit. Marie

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[Guest guest]

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> Wow. My son has been getting better as time goes on even after his shots. He

never

went backwards after them.

Be happy for the good luck and don't push it by giving him another.

Lots of kids who got turned autistic by this or that vaccine already had had it,

or had a

bunch of other vaccines with no apparent ill effect.

> Its weird how each child can differ so much.

No it isn't. Some kids grow up to be astronauts, some grow up to be

politicians, some

grow up to be street people, some grow up to be housewives. Why should it

surprise us

that they are also individual in their response to shots?

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> I've had that feeling a few emails into this discussion which is why I

> stayed out of it.

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> But, for the record, my son was diagnosed at 23 months and I didn't think it

> was shots that did it to him then. a year later he had a flu shot for the

> first time, lost all progress we made and he downward spiraled and was worse

> than he was a year earlier when diagnosed. It was a slow but steady downhill

> trip for him. His initial regress was in the first 2-4 weeks after his MMR

at

> 12 months. The flu shot at 3 was the straw that broke the camels back.

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> I didn't realize that his regression was after the MMR until 2 years later

> when I was converting home video to DVD and then saw when the signs started,

> and when he changed, pulled out the baby book and sure enough it was right

> after the MMR.

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> Kerrie

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> In a message dated 10/13/2007 4:36:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> barronsix@... writes:

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> > Is this a hoax.....starting to feel like one?

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[Guest guest]

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> I believe that is just how our children are born.

On this list we don't take a faith based approach to health care. We pay

attention to what

actually happens and draw scientifically appropriate conclusions.

The genetic hypothesis is unscientific and can not be true - that covers 'just

how they are.'

To continue to believe it requires an act of faith - basically a religious

commitment - that I

don't believe is appropriate in health care.

Unfortunately other scientifically legitimate conclusions are that autistic

children are a

heterogeneous group and while there are some odds to play they don't all have

the same

history nor do they all respond to the same interventions.

I am curious, Marie, why you are such a prolific poster and why you are stirring

the pot so

much? If you are genuinely interested in information there is a lot of it in

the files section.

Andy

[Guest guest]

I would just send out a Big Ditto to Andy's comment below...wishing

all the very best answers. elizabeth

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> > I believe that is just how our children are born.

I am curious, Marie, why you are such a prolific poster and why you

are stirring the pot so much? If you are genuinely interested in

information there is a lot of it in the files section.

Andy

[Guest guest]

marie,

there are two ways you can get most of the questions you ask here

answered without having to ask them again (many of them have been

asked and answered many, many times already). First you can go to

www.onibasu.com and click the checkbox for the autism treatment group

and put whatever search terms you like in the box (hair test,

antimony, etc.), or you can also use the search box right on the page

you reading messages from (assuming you go to the groups home page to

read messages).

Also, in the files section of the site:

/files

you can find readings that are there that have pretty much covered

most of what you're asking, including info about testing, supplements,

etc. It takes awhile to get caught up in this group - it is good to

start reading and start looking through the files to get answers to

references you don't understand.

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> About the hair test, how and where do I do that.

[Guest guest]

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> I'm vaccinating both of them. Not sure where you got I wasnt doing one?

What I see as the issue here, perhaps unexpressed or not expressed

very well, is that Marie wants to vaccinate her children, but is not

receiving any information on what might be helpful. Now I am one who

won't go near a flu shot because of all the health issues it caused in

my family, but I do know how I advise people who want to have one

despite my recommendation to " just say no " .

To my understanding, the " shot " contains thimerosal, but there is a

nasal spray which does not, altho the spray is live virus, so it

causes its own problems.

I would give a lot of vitamin C, starting today and continuing for at

least a month after the shot. Give as much as you can, several times

each day, until the kids have diarrhea. Then back off a little, so

there is no diarrhea but you are still giving a lot of vitamin C.

Vitamin C was essential for my son to keep cold/flu/other viruses from

migrating directly into his brain. He required 50,000mg vitamin C per

day for over a month, altho obviously you would not want to start that

high. Start with maybe 2000mg per dose, 3x per day, and see how that

works.

Vitamin C will also help clear any mercury and/or other metals from

the body.

It is not preferable, in my opinion, to avoiding the toxic assault in

the first place, but it should help reduce any effects of the shots.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I agree !!! This sounds too much like a bad joke. I can't

believe anyone would say that their child is sensative or suseptable

to injury from a vaccine and then say they are giving the flu shot!

It is insane and I feel bad for that child.

Tina

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> Is this a hoax.....starting to feel like one?

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> [ ] Re: DO NOT GET FLU SHOTS!!!! - shots

tipped the balance

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> Because you said one of them was more susceptible to things like

that,

> and that he had regression two months after a series of

vaccines, and

> that you thought there was a genetic basis for ASD disorders,

implying

> your son might have such a genetic predisposition - I just

assumed

> you meant you were not vaccinating the ASD son. Sorry, I'm sure

I am

> the one that can't seem to follow the reasoning. ;-)

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> > I'm vaccinating both of them. Not sure where you got I wasnt

doing one?

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[Guest guest]

Then I would advice you to change your settings a bit. Go to

mygroups

This page contains list of all you joined. Choose

option " Edit my groups " and there change " Message delivery " for this

group to " no mail " . This way your email box won't be so overloaded

since this group is pretty active. Then you will be able to read all

messages right here:

/messages

Last advice which I give to all my fiends newly joined to

groups On the top of list you can find " Messages: Simplify /

Expand (Group by Topic) " . You might find it easier to read this

forum if you choose " Group by topic " .

HTH

Galina

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> Thanks very much. I actually get my messages in my email box so I

dont go to the home page. Thanks I will look up stuff on there

instead of reasking everything, I'm sure all newcomes ask the same

stuff Marie

[Guest guest]

Answering questions? You have nothing meaningful to add here, we know

your type.

" That is why I've been done talking about it. Just answering

questions here and there, no more arguing from me! "

marie.brewer

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> > Because you said one of them was more susceptible to things

like

> that,

> > and that he had regression two months after a series of

vaccines,

> and

> > that you thought there was a genetic basis for ASD disorders,

> implying

> > your son might have such a genetic predisposition - I just

assumed

> > you meant you were not vaccinating the ASD son. Sorry, I'm sure

I

> am

> > the one that can't seem to follow the reasoning. ;-)

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> > > I'm vaccinating both of them. Not sure where you got I wasnt

> doing one?

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