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My understanding is that if your child shows high sulfer in the urine

that means he actually is wasting it and needs more to compensate.

Lots of kids go bonky with too much epsom salts, so it is important

to use just small amounts and, when possible, work up. Going bonky

doesn't mean they don't need it, just that they cannot cope with much

at a time.

In my reading, parents who have dealt with ammonia successfully often

see great results. If it were me, I'd get started on that right away

as my priority.

Anita

>

> Can someone help me on this topic? My sons urine organic acid test

> came back with really high sulfate. I researched ( not very good at

> it ) and see two different opinions. This one I saw a few times

>

> Sulfation: Owens substituted for Rosemarie Waring, and

> presented Dr. Waring's data on sulfate in autism. Basically,

people

> with autism were found to excrete roughly twice as much sulfate in

> their urine, so that they had only 1/5 the normal level of sulfate

in

> their bodies. Sulfur is an essential mineral, and is needed for

many

> functions in the body. AIDS patients have also been found to

exhibit

> a loss of sulfur in their urine, leading to a loss of extracellular

> sulfated structures in the brain. This has not yet been

investigated

> in autism, but may be the same. In AIDS patients, treatment with N-

> acetyl cysteine was found to be beneficial.

>

> Then I have read that it means my child is a high sulpher kid and

> should avoid it as much as possible.

> So I am wondering which i should go by as they are quite opposites

> and I want to try to help my son not make him worse. He does ok

with

> small amounts of salts in epsom salt baths but if I move the amount

> up he becomes hyper. I suppose that doesn't mean he doesn't need it

> but just not sure.Any help appreciated. He also had extremely high

> urea cycle overload ( ammonia toxicity )

> Thanks

>

>

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My son has high urine cysteine and normal blood sulfur. He also has

slightly elevated ammonia. I have researched this, and it seems to

me that you would want to avoid sulfur. I think Yasko would say that

this is the CBS being overactive and you need to get it under

control. Ammonia support would be important.

Michele

>

> Can someone help me on this topic? My sons urine organic acid test

> came back with really high sulfate. I researched ( not very good at

> it ) and see two different opinions. This one I saw a few times

>

> Sulfation: Owens substituted for Rosemarie Waring, and

> presented Dr. Waring's data on sulfate in autism. Basically,

people

> with autism were found to excrete roughly twice as much sulfate in

> their urine, so that they had only 1/5 the normal level of sulfate

in

> their bodies. Sulfur is an essential mineral, and is needed for

many

> functions in the body. AIDS patients have also been found to

exhibit

> a loss of sulfur in their urine, leading to a loss of extracellular

> sulfated structures in the brain. This has not yet been

investigated

> in autism, but may be the same. In AIDS patients, treatment with N-

> acetyl cysteine was found to be beneficial.

>

> Then I have read that it means my child is a high sulpher kid and

> should avoid it as much as possible.

> So I am wondering which i should go by as they are quite opposites

> and I want to try to help my son not make him worse. He does ok

with

> small amounts of salts in epsom salt baths but if I move the amount

> up he becomes hyper. I suppose that doesn't mean he doesn't need it

> but just not sure.Any help appreciated. He also had extremely high

> urea cycle overload ( ammonia toxicity )

> Thanks

>

>

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Doesn't Yasko recommend a sprinkle of Yucca with each protein serving

for ammonia?

> >

> > Can someone help me on this topic? My sons urine organic acid

test

> > came back with really high sulfate. I researched ( not very good

at

> > it ) and see two different opinions. This one I saw a few times

> >

> > Sulfation: Owens substituted for Rosemarie Waring, and

> > presented Dr. Waring's data on sulfate in autism. Basically,

> people

> > with autism were found to excrete roughly twice as much sulfate

in

> > their urine, so that they had only 1/5 the normal level of

sulfate

> in

> > their bodies. Sulfur is an essential mineral, and is needed for

> many

> > functions in the body. AIDS patients have also been found to

> exhibit

> > a loss of sulfur in their urine, leading to a loss of

extracellular

> > sulfated structures in the brain. This has not yet been

> investigated

> > in autism, but may be the same. In AIDS patients, treatment with

N-

> > acetyl cysteine was found to be beneficial.

> >

> > Then I have read that it means my child is a high sulpher kid and

> > should avoid it as much as possible.

> > So I am wondering which i should go by as they are quite

opposites

> > and I want to try to help my son not make him worse. He does ok

> with

> > small amounts of salts in epsom salt baths but if I move the

amount

> > up he becomes hyper. I suppose that doesn't mean he doesn't need

it

> > but just not sure.Any help appreciated. He also had extremely

high

> > urea cycle overload ( ammonia toxicity )

> > Thanks

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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. Check Andy's post #57707, " Re: Diagnostic approaches to sulphate

testing " . It's a bit complicated and depends on the plasma sulfate and

cysteine. It was possible to test for these two via Great Smokies, but the

cysteine test at least, is apparently no longer giving clinically consistent

results. I don't know about the sulfate.

The only way to test for cysteine now, is to give a lot of sulfur foods and see

how he does; then give a low sulfur diet and see how he does.

I'll make one point that Andy has made a lot - you kid should get better; if

he's getting worse, it's probably the wrong thing to do.

Dave.

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Date: Sun Mar 9, 2008 9:16 pm ((PDT))

Can someone help me on this topic? My sons urine organic acid test

came back with really high sulfate. I researched ( not very good at

it ) and see two different opinions. This one I saw a few times

Sulfation: Owens substituted for Rosemarie Waring, and

presented Dr. Waring's data on sulfate in autism. Basically, people

with autism were found to excrete roughly twice as much sulfate in

their urine, so that they had only 1/5 the normal level of sulfate in

their bodies. Sulfur is an essential mineral, and is needed for many

functions in the body. AIDS patients have also been found to exhibit

a loss of sulfur in their urine, leading to a loss of extracellular

sulfated structures in the brain. This has not yet been investigated

in autism, but may be the same. In AIDS patients, treatment with N-

acetyl cysteine was found to be beneficial.

Then I have read that it means my child is a high sulpher kid and

should avoid it as much as possible.

So I am wondering which i should go by as they are quite opposites

and I want to try to help my son not make him worse. He does ok with

small amounts of salts in epsom salt baths but if I move the amount

up he becomes hyper. I suppose that doesn't mean he doesn't need it

but just not sure.Any help appreciated. He also had extremely high

urea cycle overload ( ammonia toxicity )

Thanks

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All of this is irrelevant.

Just ignore it and get on with stuff that might help you figure out what is

happening.

Andy

> >

> > Can someone help me on this topic? My sons urine organic acid test

> > came back with really high sulfate. I researched ( not very good at

> > it ) and see two different opinions. This one I saw a few times

> >

> > Sulfation: Owens substituted for Rosemarie Waring, and

> > presented Dr. Waring's data on sulfate in autism. Basically,

> people

> > with autism were found to excrete roughly twice as much sulfate in

> > their urine, so that they had only 1/5 the normal level of sulfate

> in

> > their bodies. Sulfur is an essential mineral, and is needed for

> many

> > functions in the body. AIDS patients have also been found to

> exhibit

> > a loss of sulfur in their urine, leading to a loss of extracellular

> > sulfated structures in the brain. This has not yet been

> investigated

> > in autism, but may be the same. In AIDS patients, treatment with N-

> > acetyl cysteine was found to be beneficial.

> >

> > Then I have read that it means my child is a high sulpher kid and

> > should avoid it as much as possible.

> > So I am wondering which i should go by as they are quite opposites

> > and I want to try to help my son not make him worse. He does ok

> with

> > small amounts of salts in epsom salt baths but if I move the amount

> > up he becomes hyper. I suppose that doesn't mean he doesn't need it

> > but just not sure.Any help appreciated. He also had extremely high

> > urea cycle overload ( ammonia toxicity )

> > Thanks

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________________\

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> Never miss a thing. Make your home page.

> http://www./r/hs

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> My understanding is that if your child shows high sulfer in the urine

> that means he actually is wasting it and needs more to compensate.

This is the kind of illogic that can be excused in a layman but is inexcusable

among the

health care practitioners who promulgate it.

It is a very simple mass balance issue. How much sulfur goes in (in food and

drink) has to

equal how much comes out, less a small amount for growth.

The amount in them at any given time can be high, low, or in between and not

affect this

logic.

If they are wasting sulfur, they will have normal urine sulfur levels and a low

body

inventory.

If they have excessively high sulfur in their body they will also have normal

urine sulfur

levels.

The only situations where urine sulfur levels change are if they switch between

states, or if

they are on a diet and supplement regimen that is higher or lower in sulfur than

a normal

diet. E. g. if you give them NAC you will see elevated urinary sulfur even if

you withhold it

for a few days before the test.

Andy

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> Can someone help me on this topic? My sons urine organic acid test

> came back with really high sulfate.

Possible causes:

you supplement with sulfate or molybdenum in excess of his needs.

He ate a lot of soup.

He ate a lot of something like apples that creates a sulfated product for

excretion in the

urine.

You gave him aspirin.

You gave him an epsom salt bath and didn't wash him off afterwards.

His metabolism is making lots of sulfate on its own.

Andy

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Maybe she meant sulphate and not sulphur. A lot of people get the

nomenclature confused. Sulphite and sulphate are mixed up constantly in

people's minds........and as you know there is an important distinction

between the two.

andrewhallcutler schrieb:

>

> > My understanding is that if your child shows high sulfer in the urine

> > that means he actually is wasting it and needs more to compensate.

>

> This is the kind of illogic that can be excused in a layman but is

> inexcusable among the

> health care practitioners who promulgate it.

>

> It is a very simple mass balance issue. How much sulfur goes in (in

> food and drink) has to

> equal how much comes out, less a small amount for growth.

>

> The amount in them at any given time can be high, low, or in between

> and not affect this

> logic.

>

> If they are wasting sulfur, they will have normal urine sulfur levels

> and a low body

> inventory.

>

> If they have excessively high sulfur in their body they will also have

> normal urine sulfur

> levels.

>

> The only situations where urine sulfur levels change are if they

> switch between states, or if

> they are on a diet and supplement regimen that is higher or lower in

> sulfur than a normal

> diet. E. g. if you give them NAC you will see elevated urinary sulfur

> even if you withhold it

> for a few days before the test.

>

> Andy

>

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Don't know if this helps with your question or not - but my

cardiologist has put me on a low sulfur diet because my urine test is

really high. The idea is to reduce the stores in my body, get my

methylation cycle working properly again with the appropriate

supplements, and then as the cycle starts working appropriately, I

can add sulfur back to my diet (as long as I have three pinks and one

yellow on the test strip!).

see www.heartfixer.com

I'm new to this, but the one thing that I have seen is that there are

several different issue going on, and for several different reasons,

so each case is unique and what works for one, may or may not work

for others.

>

> . Check Andy's post #57707, " Re: Diagnostic approaches to

sulphate testing " . It's a bit complicated and depends on the plasma

sulfate and cysteine. It was possible to test for these two via

Great Smokies, but the cysteine test at least, is apparently no

longer giving clinically consistent results. I don't know about the

sulfate.

>

> The only way to test for cysteine now, is to give a lot of sulfur

foods and see how he does; then give a low sulfur diet and see how he

does.

>

> I'll make one point that Andy has made a lot - you kid should get

better; if he's getting worse, it's probably the wrong thing to do.

>

> Dave.

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> Posted by: " l.largey " l.largey@... l.largey

> Date: Sun Mar 9, 2008 9:16 pm ((PDT))

>

> Can someone help me on this topic? My sons urine organic acid test

> came back with really high sulfate. I researched ( not very good at

> it ) and see two different opinions. This one I saw a few times

>

> Sulfation: Owens substituted for Rosemarie Waring, and

> presented Dr. Waring's data on sulfate in autism. Basically,

people

> with autism were found to excrete roughly twice as much sulfate in

> their urine, so that they had only 1/5 the normal level of sulfate

in

> their bodies. Sulfur is an essential mineral, and is needed for

many

> functions in the body. AIDS patients have also been found to

exhibit

> a loss of sulfur in their urine, leading to a loss of extracellular

> sulfated structures in the brain. This has not yet been

investigated

> in autism, but may be the same. In AIDS patients, treatment with N-

> acetyl cysteine was found to be beneficial.

>

> Then I have read that it means my child is a high sulpher kid and

> should avoid it as much as possible.

> So I am wondering which i should go by as they are quite opposites

> and I want to try to help my son not make him worse. He does ok

with

> small amounts of salts in epsom salt baths but if I move the amount

> up he becomes hyper. I suppose that doesn't mean he doesn't need it

> but just not sure.Any help appreciated. He also had extremely high

> urea cycle overload ( ammonia toxicity )

> Thanks

>

>

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