Was Re: Andy - NCD; question about my 2yo please!

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Although I'm not a ph d medical dr, I'd doubt seriously if NCD can cause a

lasting regression.

You might want to do a hair test to see if metals are part of your son's

problem.

Some people don't tackle viruses right off the bat as until you get some

chelation rounds under your belt, virus treatment can be tricky.

[ ] Was Re: Andy - NCD; question about my 2yo please!

Can someone at least tell me if the regression my 2yo went through

with NCD that hasn't really improved is damage now? I'm treating

with GSE to tackle the yeast we know is there & he's getting lysine

for viruses (can't tolerate OLE (yuck)- is there a better form for

him?).

Does he have metals running around him somehow now making him

autistic? (he's never been vaccinated but I have heard that

antiinflammatories are associate with autism too & he had those as a

younger baby).

Thanks for anyone's help...

Michele

>

> Andy could you answer this?

>

> My 30lb 2yo had 1 drop of zeolites mixed in with his other supps

> 1x/day for about a week back in Aug. He was very spacey &

regressed,

> becoming very autistic during that time. He has not recovered much

> at all since. Working on his yeast overgrowth that he tested

> positive for at the moment.

>

> Did I do some damage? I've read that you said NCD doesn't pull

> metals from the body... then what could it have done, if anything,

&

> what should I do? (I can't get much into him so I cram everything

> into his AM supps & a little in applesauce later on)

>

> I have hair tests for all the kids but haven't done them yet.

>

> My severe 13yo (hair tested 5yrs ago-mercury) has been on high

dose

> zeolites (15d - 3x/day) for about a month with no differences. Is

it

> doing anything for him? I was going to add rounds of ALA in soon.

We

> did DMSA/ALA a couple of years ago & didn't see any difference

> either after a few months (should I have seen something at all in

> that time or possibly too early to tell?)

>

> 9-1/2 yr also getting zeos - 10d 1x/day. nothing to note.

>

> I was going to stop all zeos to see what happens if anything, but

> need opinions, especially on 2yo.

>

> Thanks very much,

> Michele

>

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> Although I'm not a ph d medical dr, I'd doubt seriously if NCD can cause a

lasting

regression.

=====>This is an odd statement, no clue where I was going with this. I am a Ph

D, I am not a medical dr, but I don't think I meant to say that. Anyone else

notice how Christmas gets harder every year?

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In a message dated 17/12/2007 15:49:24 GMT Standard Time,

hugs4Him99@... writes:

I was just thinking perhaps it grew yeast in my 2yo who already had

systemic yeast, which would probably create regression, yes? Maybe

this is what happened & it didn't " move metals " at all?

>>I think you may be right, though I think the yeast issues would have been

related to some sort of detox - metals or virus. We had yeast well under

control when we started with NCD and both my son and I were yeast mountains

after

3 days at 3 drops per day, 100 pounds and 200 pounds plus.

Have you tried Candex for the yeast?

Mandi in UK

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> Yes, I have noticed that is gets harder! And I had noticed the typos and

> goofs people make on their posts...and felt oddly comforted by it (even though

> I depend on and value the info). It makes me feel I am not the only one who is

> crazed...even though I really try not to be. It¹s my crazy-meter check: am I

> the only one who_ _ _ _ _(fill in blanks).

>

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>

>

>

>

>

>> >

>> > Although I'm not a ph d medical dr, I'd doubt seriously if NCD can cause a

>> lasting

> regression.

>

> =====>This is an odd statement, no clue where I was going with this. I am a Ph

> D, I am not a medical dr, but I don't think I meant to say that. Anyone else

> notice how Christmas gets harder every year?

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 17/12/2007 19:31:43 GMT Standard Time,

hugs4Him99@... writes:

There seems to be some sort of connection with some yeast fighters &

respitory issues (for those prone, like my 2yo). Or maybe it's just

the ones pulling too fast, I dont know. But the GSE is okay so far.

Are you still using NCD?

>>No we use Z-Natural now, made by Harvey Kaufman, It took lots of stop

start stop start with zeolites, we hardly ever stopped DMSA/ALA chelation for

yeast but this was mega bad. I think it was addressing some viral issue.

However, we were eventually able to go up to high dosing for Sam and regular for

me,

still do it but only 10 drops per day.

Maybe look into Black Elderberry Extract as immune support? - also read its

good for those tending to asthma but I can't remember where. EFA's good for

chesty folks too, seen rsearch somewhere on Omega 3's helping with asthma.

Does you use regular enzymes? Are you low sugar?

Mandi in UK

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Yes, I had the same sort of experience after good results then stopping,

when I first started it caused a fever blister almost immediately, then

amazingly the second time I started we had the fever blister within one day

of starting again. We have continued again and are seeing good results once

more. Using the fever blisters as a gage I wonder if it has something to do

with kicking up and " hopefully " eradicating virus.we have also been using

Lysine and Biotin at the same time. I feel pretty sure it keeps ammonia

levels down. " after all the stuff was used to keep ammonia down in fish tanks

or so I have been told. " We still do 5 drops 3 x daily.

Chris

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Subject: [ ] Was Re: Andy - NCD; question about my 2yo please!

I gave my son NCD with good effects for a while about a year and a

half ago. I stopped for about a year and tried it again with not

very good results (going off into lalaland, etc.) so I stopped

pretty fast (after 1 dose). I do know that this stuff can increase

yeast pretty ferociously, at least that is what we have seen here.

Whatever this stuff does (and I do wish I knew what that was), it

can be pretty potent for some folks.

Anne

> >

> > Although I'm not a ph d medical dr, I'd doubt seriously if NCD

can cause a lasting

> regression.

>

> PhD's aren;'t medical doctors. MD's are medical doctors.

>

> I have not heard a lot of negatives about NCD yet. A few, not

many. Seems to be

> relatively benign. Just doesn't chelate anything.

> >

> > You might want to do a hair test to see if metals are part of

your son's problem.

> >

> > Some people don't tackle viruses right off the bat as until you

get some chelation

> rounds under your belt, virus treatment can be tricky.

> >

> >

> > > My 30lb 2yo had 1 drop of zeolites mixed in with his other

supps

> > > 1x/day for about a week back in Aug. He was very spacey &

> > regressed,

> > > becoming very autistic during that time. He has not

recovered much

> > > at all since.

>

> Why are you blaming the NCD instead of the other supplements?

>

> Andy

>

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From: hugs_may99

I

Why would you not work on virals? A lot of folks have recovered kids

just from doing that from what I'm reading now.

====>This recovery with antivirals is highly inflated and has been overblown

by a few people's reports, but I'm noticing they are eventually chelating or

just learning to live with things like word retrieval problems and IEP's for

school, etc.

Dr. McCandless noted that Valtrex appeared to help about 30% of kids, but she

never claimed any but one recovered to any degree with just antivirals and

always recommmended chelation for lasting recovery. Stan Kurtz has blown this

number up to 66%, for kids who have recovered, yes he said that, but I can't

find anywhere near this number that Valtrex or some other antiviral was helpful

for and again, no complete recoveries.

Yasko and Stan Kurtz have said that if you solve the viral problem then the

metals are excreted. I'm still waiting for the UTI's that prove this from Stan

Kurtz and it's been almost 2 years now, should have heard something. And I know

of no child who is fully recovered from Yasko without continuuing to take 100

different supplements a day.

Certainly working on the immune system is helpful but people who go the viral

route alone are uncomfortable with chelation (like I was in the beginning) or

people who don't want to get up in the middle of the night.

However, sooner or later, you have to chelate, and since chelation takes a lot

longer than the 6-9 months they spend on an antiviral and is easier done the

younger they are, it makes more sense to start with chelation. Then if you

aren't going as fast as you like, or you like more drama, you can add in

antivirals.

> > > > >

> > > > > Although I'm not a ph d medical dr, I'd doubt seriously if

> NCD

> > > can cause a lasting

> > > > regression.

> > > >

> > > > PhD's aren;'t medical doctors. MD's are medical doctors.

> > > >

> > > > I have not heard a lot of negatives about NCD yet. A few,

not

> > > many. Seems to be

> > > > relatively benign. Just doesn't chelate anything.

> > > > >

> > > > > You might want to do a hair test to see if metals are part

> of

> > > your son's problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some people don't tackle viruses right off the bat as

until

> > you

> > > get some chelation

> > > > rounds under your belt, virus treatment can be tricky.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > My 30lb 2yo had 1 drop of zeolites mixed in with his

> other

> > > supps

> > > > > > 1x/day for about a week back in Aug. He was very

spacey

> &

> > > > > regressed,

> > > > > > becoming very autistic during that time. He has not

> > > recovered much

> > > > > > at all since.

> > > >

> > > > Why are you blaming the NCD instead of the other supplements?

> > > >

> > > > Andy

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > Although I'm not a ph d medical dr, I'd doubt seriously

if

> NCD

> > > > can cause a lasting

> > > > > regression.

> > > > >

> > > > > PhD's aren;'t medical doctors. MD's are medical doctors.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have not heard a lot of negatives about NCD yet. A few,

> not

> > > > many. Seems to be

> > > > > relatively benign. Just doesn't chelate anything.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You might want to do a hair test to see if metals are

part

> of

> > > > your son's problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some people don't tackle viruses right off the bat as

until

> > > you

> > > > get some chelation

> > > > > rounds under your belt, virus treatment can be tricky.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > My 30lb 2yo had 1 drop of zeolites mixed in with his

> other

> > > > supps

> > > > > > > 1x/day for about a week back in Aug. He was very

spacey

> &

> > > > > > regressed,

> > > > > > > becoming very autistic during that time. He has not

> > > > recovered much

> > > > > > > at all since.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why are you blaming the NCD instead of the other

supplements?

> > > > >

> > > > > Andy

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>