Re: healing crisis while on LDN?

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Katerina,

So was LDN one of the things you stopped? Also, maybe I'm not up with

the latest phrasing but I don't understand your use of the term " healing

crisis " when you initially say you've been on LDN for 6 months with very

good results then later refer to " the healing crisis of LDN " . Crisis is

a negative term so I'm not sure how to interpret what you've said about

healing crises when you say " is there still place for one more healing

crisis? " as though a healing crisis is a positive thing.........

Triadafillou Katerina wrote:

> Hi all,

> I have been on LDN for bening MS for 6 months now with very good results.

> 20 days ago, I visited a very good alternative doctor who practices

> bioenergy. Following his own methods, he said he found the real

> defficiencies of my organism. He suggested that I should stop taking

> all the supplements I have been taking for the last years (and feeling

> great) because I have a problem of absorption. He prescribed B12

> injections twice a week, evening primrose oil, propolis and an

> homeopathetic remedy. I stoped taking my supplements on May 21st and

> started the new cure on June 1st. In the meantime, I bought an

> expensive reverse osmosis filter system for domestic use. On June 5th,

> I started feeling my legs slightly stiff (my last symptom) and this

> goes on, together with a tendency to sleep long hours without feeling

> any tired.

> I try to be optimistic and see this as a healing crisis. But, I

> wonder, after so many healing procedures all these last 15 years I

> have had MS (I have been on several homeopathetic cures, eachone of

> them accompanied by a short healing crisis) and lately the healing

> crisis of LDN and being on LDN, is there still place for one more

> healing crisis?

> I am on a strict BBD and have a very healthy lifestyle, but this

> period I am experiencing a major professional change and I am a bit

> stressed.

> Any input will be appreciated.

> Best regards,

> Katerina

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Katerina, If you are having good results and feeling great for the last few years why are you changing anything? How do you know you have absorbtion issues? Obviously whatever you were taking was being absorbed or you would have other problems (maybe you didn't mention them in your post?). If it were me with MS that was in a quiet phase I would not mess with success.... Best, Bob CTriadafillou Katerina <triadaf@...> wrote: Hi

all, I have been on LDN for bening MS for 6 months now with very good results. 20 days ago, I visited a very good alternative doctor who practices bioenergy. Following his own methods, he said he found the real defficiencies of my organism. He suggested that I should stop taking all the supplements I have been taking for the last years (and feeling great) because I have a problem of absorption. He prescribed B12 injections twice a week, evening primrose oil, propolis and an homeopathetic remedy. I stoped taking my supplements on May 21st and started the new cure on June 1st. In the meantime, I bought an expensive reverse osmosis filter system for domestic use. On June 5th, I started feeling my legs slightly stiff (my last symptom) and this goes on, together with a tendency to sleep long hours without feeling any tired. I

try to be optimistic and see this as a healing crisis. But, I wonder, after so many healing procedures all these last 15 years I have had MS (I have been on several homeopathetic cures, eachone of them accompanied by a short healing crisis) and lately the healing crisis of LDN and being on LDN, is there still place for one more healing crisis? I am on a strict BBD and have a very healthy lifestyle, but this period I am experiencing a major professional change and I am a bit stressed. Any input will be appreciated. Best regards, Katerina

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I never stoped LDN, the doctor found I need it and he is the one who prescribes it for me from now and on. Even if he had suggested the opposite I wouldn't have stoped LDN. Excuse my not making it clear.

As to the term "healing crisis", I do believe that it is positive thing. If you google "healing crisis" you will see in www.falconblanco.com/health/crisis.htm:

«this reaction occurs when the body tries to eliminate toxins at a faster rate than they can be properly disposed of. The more toxic one's bodily systems are, the more severe the detoxification, or healing crisis. It is characterized by a temporary increase in symptoms during the cleansing or detox process which may be mild or severe. You may feel worse and therefore conclude that the treatment is not working. But these reactions are instead signs that the treatment is working and that your body is going through the process of cleaning itself of impurities, toxins and imbalances. Such reactions are temporary and can occur immediately -- or within several days, or even several weeks, of a detox. Symptoms usually pass within 1-3 days, but on rare occasions can last several weeks. If you are suffering from a major illness, the symptoms you experience during the healing crisis may be identical to the disease itself».

I had a revival of old symptoms for 2-3 weeks when starting LDN, 6 months ago. After that, everything improved. This is what I mean by "healing crisis of LDN". Probably I didn't express myself well enough, English is a foreign language for me. Thank you for your answer.

Re: [low dose naltrexone] healing crisis while on LDN?

Katerina,So was LDN one of the things you stopped? Also, maybe I'm not up with the latest phrasing but I don't understand your use of the term "healing crisis" when you initially say you've been on LDN for 6 months with very good results then later refer to "the healing crisis of LDN". Crisis is a negative term so I'm not sure how to interpret what you've said about healing crises when you say "is there still place for one more healing crisis?" as though a healing crisis is a positive thing.........Triadafillou Katerina wrote:> Hi all,> I have been on LDN for bening MS for 6 months now with very good results. > 20 days ago, I visited a very good alternative doctor who practices > bioenergy. Following his own methods, he said he found the real > defficiencies of my organism. He suggested that I should stop taking > all the supplements I have been taking for the last years (and feeling > great) because I have a problem of absorption. He prescribed B12 > injections twice a week, evening primrose oil, propolis and an > homeopathetic remedy. I stoped taking my supplements on May 21st and > started the new cure on June 1st. In the meantime, I bought an > expensive reverse osmosis filter system for domestic use. On June 5th, > I started feeling my legs slightly stiff (my last symptom) and this > goes on, together with a tendency to sleep long hours without feeling > any tired.> I try to be optimistic and see this as a healing crisis. But, I > wonder, after so many healing procedures all these last 15 years I > have had MS (I have been on several homeopathetic cures, eachone of > them accompanied by a short healing crisis) and lately the healing > crisis of LDN and being on LDN, is there still place for one more > healing crisis?> I am on a strict BBD and have a very healthy lifestyle, but this > period I am experiencing a major professional change and I am a bit > stressed. > Any input will be appreciated.> Best regards,> Katerina

[Guest guest]

Hi Katerina:

This is a good thread, thank you. My question to you concerning your experience with starting and continuing LDN would be:

If you had to do this all over with, would you address system cleansing first and then proceed with LDN? (to minimize a healing crisis) or were you doing that already?

Ive been reading on the various cleanses, reading people's posts etc and they make sense to me. Im sure Ive got my share of toxicity to get rid of. I want to be able to discuss the best approach at my upcoming appointment with my primary, who practices Integrative Health in my area

Im also considering the transdermal cream for best absorbtion of LDN. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks

Sheila in NH> Hi all,> I have been on LDN for bening MS for 6 months now with very good results. > 20 days ago, I visited a very good alternative doctor who practices > bioenergy. Following his own methods, he said he found the real > defficiencies of my organism. He suggested that I should stop taking > all the supplements I have been taking for

the last years (and feeling > great) because I have a problem of absorption. He prescribed B12 > injections twice a week, evening primrose oil, propolis and an > homeopathetic remedy. I stoped taking my supplements on May 21st and > started the new cure on June 1st. In the meantime, I bought an > expensive reverse osmosis filter system for domestic use. On June 5th, > I started feeling my legs slightly stiff (my last symptom) and this > goes on, together with a tendency to sleep long hours without feeling > any tired.> I try to be optimistic and see this as a healing crisis. But, I > wonder, after so many healing procedures all these last 15 years I > have had MS (I have been on several homeopathetic cures, eachone of > them accompanied by a short healing crisis) and lately the healing > crisis of LDN and being on LDN, is there still place for one more >

healing crisis?> I am on a strict BBD and have a very healthy lifestyle, but this > period I am experiencing a major professional change and I am a bit > stressed. > Any input will be appreciated.> Best regards,> Katerina

[Guest guest]

OK, if you didn't stop LDN as well as what else you were taking then I'm

not sure what to suggest. The toxins theory is what I wondered whether

you meant as I've seen that before, though that's not what the revival

of old symptoms is due to on LDN. In this case I'm not sure what to

suggest apart from my being wary of some alternative medicine weirdos,

many of whom only really seem to be in it for the money and follow a

pretty set pattern with all their patients eg. detox, supplements,

balancing. No doubt there are some genuinely good ones out there, but

there are many who aren't. In this case given you refer to him as a

doctor I assume he is fully trained medically in the conventional sense

and then embraced alternative methodologies too? Is that the case or

has he only got an internet degree? Do you feel like he has developed an

individual plan specifically for you? Did he take a very detailed

history or is he more likely just following the same approach he does

for everyone i.e. detox and supplement?

I must admit that even though by most standards I would be considered

severely disabled (can't take a step without a walking frame and

basically have no speech) I am very happy to not risk my current 10 year

plateau due to antioxidants and now LDN by trying different things. I

am now prepared to sit in a holding pattern until something comes along

which will definitely improve me. I am not willing to jeopardise my

plateau by experimenting with different approaches and therefore wonder

a little why given your MS is benign you are still chasing different

things. Still, another part of me can understand ..........

Triadafillou Katerina wrote:

> I never stoped LDN, the doctor found I need it and he is the one who

> prescribes it for me from now and on. Even if he had suggested the

> opposite I wouldn't have stoped LDN. Excuse my not making it clear.

> As to the term " healing crisis " , I do believe that it is positive

> thing. If you google " healing crisis " you will see in

> www.falconblanco.com/health/crisis.htm

> <http://www.falconblanco.com/health/crisis.htm>:

>

> «this reaction occurs when the body tries to eliminate toxins at a

> faster rate than they can be properly disposed of. The more toxic

> one's bodily systems are, the more severe the detoxification, or

> healing crisis. It is characterized by a temporary increase in

> symptoms during the cleansing or detox process which may be mild or

> severe. You may feel worse and therefore conclude that the treatment

> is not working. But these reactions are instead signs that the

> treatment is working and that your body is going through the process

> of cleaning itself of impurities, toxins and imbalances. Such

> reactions are temporary and can occur immediately -- or within several

> days, or even several weeks, of a detox. Symptoms usually pass within

> 1-3 days, but on rare occasions can last several weeks. If you are

> suffering from a major illness, the symptoms you experience during the

> healing crisis may be identical to the disease itself».

>

> I had a revival of old symptoms for 2-3 weeks when starting LDN, 6

> months ago. After that, everything improved. This is what I mean by

> " healing crisis of LDN " . Probably I didn't express myself well enough,

> English is a foreign language for me. Thank you for your answer.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with Bob. Why change what's working? Sounds to me like

he's changing you around to get into your pocket. They all have to make money, you know. I don't sound suspicious do I?

Re: [low dose naltrexone] healing crisis while on LDN?

Katerina,

If you are having good results and feeling great for the last few years why are you changing anything? How do you know you have absorption issues? Obviously whatever you were taking was being absorbed or you would have other problems (maybe you didn't mention them in your post?). If it were me with MS that was in a quiet phase I would not mess with success....

Best,

Bob CTriadafillou Katerina <triadafotenet (DOT) gr> wrote:

Hi all,

I have been on LDN for bening MS for 6 months now with very good results.

20 days ago, I visited a very good alternative doctor who practices bioenergy. Following his own methods, he said he found the real defficiencies of my organism. He suggested that I should stop taking all the supplements I have been taking for the last years (and feeling great) because I have a problem of absorption. He prescribed B12 injections twice a week, evening primrose oil, propolis and an homeopathetic remedy. I stoped taking my supplements on May 21st and started the new cure on June 1st. In the meantime, I bought an expensive reverse osmosis filter system for domestic use. On June 5th, I started feeling my legs slightly stiff (my last symptom) and this goes on, together with a tendency to sleep long hours without feeling any tired.

I try to be optimistic and see this as a healing crisis. But, I wonder, after so many healing procedures all these last 15 years I have had MS (I have been on several homeopathetic cures, eachone of them accompanied by a short healing crisis) and lately the healing crisis of LDN and being on LDN, is there still place for one more healing crisis?

I am on a strict BBD and have a very healthy lifestyle, but this period I am experiencing a major professional change and I am a bit stressed.

Any input will be appreciated.

Best regards,

Katerina

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[Guest guest]

My reason for trying new alternative methods and spending my money on them is that I leave in a country where alternative medicine is not common practice (Greece). Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find an alternative doctor trustworthy enough to rely on. Whatever I have found to improve my health has been a fruit of personal experimentation, internet search and some of the suggestions of several specialists or so-called specialists. I made my own combination of supplements, homeopathy, exercise and diet and it seemed to be working. My health was stable, without serious problems. But I am always looking for something better. Why going on LDN if not? This is why I am trying this new cure now. In case it doesn't work, I can always go back to my previous regime.

Thank you all for your input. Best wishes for best health to everybody.

Katerina

[Guest guest]

You sure will not get an argument about going alternative over the Medical establishment. We just didn't want to see you jeopardize you health and lose your money to some shyster. I also have gone mostly my own way too.

I need a MD. for my breathing meds and an occasional blood work. Kinda like having a gun or a knife if you are in a fight you can't win otherwise.

They are out there in the alternative field as well.

Good Luck ..................

Re: [low dose naltrexone] healing crisis while on LDN?

My reason for trying new alternative methods and spending my money on them is that I leave in a country where alternative medicine is not common practice (Greece). Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find an alternative doctor trustworthy enough to rely on. Whatever I have found to improve my health has been a fruit of personal experimentation, internet search and some of the suggestions of several specialists or so-called specialists. I made my own combination of supplements, homeopathy, exercise and diet and it seemed to be working. My health was stable, without serious problems. But I am always looking for something better. Why going on LDN if not? This is why I am trying this new cure now. In case it doesn't work, I can always go back to my previous regime.

Thank you all for your input. Best wishes for best health to everybody.

Katerina

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