Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cotteni@...> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Excellent idea I have heard a few stories in the past in this regard. As Tom stated to me a few moments ago, there are other things that can mimic MS and various other auto-immune diseases. My lawyer is very sharp and she noticed that after she started taking one sugar free candy each evening she began forgetting things, feeling spacy and just not with it. She traced it back to starting to eat these sugar free candies in the evening. After some research she now tells everyone she can to stay away from aspartame. Aletha Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Hello Bob and Cotton, If you are going to stay away from artificial sweeteners you might want to try stevia. It is from a South American plant that is very sweet and may also affect blood sugar for the good. And, of course MSG is just added so that real ingredients don't have to be used. MSG give more bang for the buck...just as food processors. It might also be addictive. But if you are going to suggest that you might also mention that filtered water is essential. Water supplies have been proven not that great nation wide. Get the best dang water filter you can afford. And don't store your water in plastic. I know that this sounds like a lot to do. But take you time and do what you can. It is worth taking care of the only body you have ) ann Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Aspartame has some interesting side effects. When it first came out, I recall we were "warned" that is could cause headaches or other symptoms. I remember the first diet drink I had with aspartame Made me dizzy. After a few more over a week or so, I accommodated, and now worry that I am a "diet-coke-aholic". I hope we get some good anecdotes about this. Bob CAletha Wittmann <Aletha@...> wrote: Excellent idea I have heard a few stories in the past in this regard. As Tom stated to me a few moments ago, there are other things that can mimic MS and various other auto-immune diseases. My lawyer is very sharp and she noticed that after she started taking one sugar free candy each evening she began forgetting things, feeling spacy and just not with it. She traced it back to starting to eat these sugar free candies in the evening. After some research she now tells everyone she can to stay away from aspartame. Aletha Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 ann, Stevia is pretty good and is natural, though I think it might be too sweet for me sometimes. Our dieticians would NOT recommend this at a recent diabetic conference and preferred to promote all the chemicals....sad...sad....so I HIRED MY OWN dietitian to help teach diabetic ed! I'm not sure I buy into the plastic bottle thing though. Just my opinion, but there was some recent research that pretty much put an end to the concerns. Besides, I just HAVE to have my "FIJI" water....best tasting, or Glaceau "Smart Water" reverse osmosis. I cannot drink city water - gives me a mild upset stomach. Best Bob Cann <maryannbpeterson@...> wrote: Hello Bob and Cotton, If you are going to stay away from artificial sweeteners you might want to try stevia. It is from a South American plant that is very sweet and may also affect blood sugar for the good. And, of course MSG is just added so that real ingredients don't have to be used. MSG give more bang for the buck...just as food processors. It might also be addictive. But if you are going to suggest that you might also mention that filtered water is essential. Water supplies have been proven not that great nation wide. Get the best dang water filter you can afford. And don't store your water in plastic. I know that this sounds like a lot to do. But take you time and do what you can. It is worth taking care of the only body you have ) ann Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 -Being morbidly obese for years, (after being extremely small until the birth of my first daughter) I had switched to diet everything. I consumed large amounts of asparatame...research now suggests that this may lead to thyroid disfunction..as I battle graves disease, I have to at least think that there is some credence in the idea. All natural is best, no matter what. Remember the DONT EAT BUTTER..eat margarine, and DONT EAT SUGAR, eat asparatame, or even b4 that, sachrine?? (my spelling is terrible..lol) Just go all natural, whole foods, and no matter what your ailment, you can't go wrong...in moderation of course. Saundra 12.5 months post RAI from graves disease,and living happy and healthy from LDN.....actually, probably flipping back to hyper, and hoping so...just to prove the effects of LDN on a partially working thyroid. -- In low dose naltrexone , ROBERT CASTANARO <castanaro@...> wrote: > > Aspartame has some interesting side effects. When it first came out, I recall we were " warned " that is could cause headaches or other symptoms. I remember the first diet drink I had with aspartame Made me dizzy. After a few more over a week or so, I accommodated, and now worry that I am a " diet-coke-aholic " . > I hope we get some good anecdotes about this. > Bob C > > Aletha Wittmann <Aletha@...> wrote: > Excellent idea > > I have heard a few stories in the past in this regard. As Tom stated to me a few moments ago, there are other things that can mimic MS and various other auto-immune diseases. > > My lawyer is very sharp and she noticed that after she started taking one sugar free candy each evening she began forgetting things, feeling spacy and just not with it. She traced it back to starting to eat these sugar free candies in the evening. After some research she now tells everyone she can to stay away from aspartame. > > Aletha > Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts > > > Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. > > > cotton <cotteni@...> wrote: > I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping > them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas > you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything. > Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. > IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. > If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be > without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDA > and Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet > sodas and food is easy. > Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health > possible. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 I would highly recommend Xylitol an all natural sweetener that tasted so close to cane sugar it will fool you. It is actually beneficial for our health and teeth. www.xylitolnow.com On 5/28/08 4:15 PM, " ROBERT CASTANARO " <castanaro@...> wrote: ann, Stevia is pretty good and is natural, though I think it might be too sweet for me sometimes. Our dieticians would NOT recommend this at a recent diabetic conference and preferred to promote all the chemicals....sad...sad....so I HIRED MY OWN dietitian to help teach diabetic ed! I'm not sure I buy into the plastic bottle thing though. Just my opinion, but there was some recent research that pretty much put an end to the concerns. Besides, I just HAVE to have my " FIJI " water....best tasting, or Glaceau " Smart Water " reverse osmosis. I cannot drink city water - gives me a mild upset stomach. Best Bob C ann <maryannbpeterson@...> wrote: Hello Bob and Cotton, If you are going to stay away from artificial sweeteners you might want to try stevia. It is from a South American plant that is very sweet and may also affect blood sugar for the good. And, of course MSG is just added so that real ingredients don't have to be used. MSG give more bang for the buck...just as food processors. It might also be addictive. But if you are going to suggest that you might also mention that filtered water is essential. Water supplies have been proven not that great nation wide. Get the best dang water filter you can afford. And don't store your water in plastic. I know that this sounds like a lot to do. But take you time and do what you can. It is worth taking care of the only body you have ) ann Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cotteni@...> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything. Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDA and Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy. Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Hi Bob, I like the way you talk. I wish more hospital/clinic administrators were a bit more like you ) ann Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Xylitol is another processed artificial sweetener. There are some questions about it. I don't have the data on me. But it is a sugar alcohol like sorbitol and has side affects. It might not be too good for the teeth like glycerin(which interferes with enamel formation). Even stevia has to be used carefully since as a natural non-sugar sweetener it can still cause sugar cravings. Just my 2 cents. ann Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Everyone, I'd like to add that often times when you see 'natural flavor' listed as an ingredient it is MSG. They can claim MSG is a natural ingredient because it is a natural substance. The problem is many of us with auto-immune issues cannot tolerate some natural chemicals, and when you see natural flavor listed as an ingredient you don't naturally think 'MSG'. Jaco --- ann <maryannbpeterson@...> wrote: > Hello Bob and Cotton, > > If you are going to stay away from artificial > sweeteners you might want to try stevia. It is from > a South American plant that is very sweet and may > also affect blood sugar for the good. And, of > course MSG is just added so that real ingredients > don't have to be used. MSG give more bang for the > buck...just as food processors. It might also be > addictive. But if you are going to suggest that you > might also mention that filtered water is essential. > Water supplies have been proven not that great > nation wide. Get the best dang water filter you can > afford. And don't store your water in plastic. > > I know that this sounds like a lot to do. But take > you time and do what you can. It is worth taking > care of the only body you have ) > > ann > > Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts > > > > Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a > negative experience could share with us whether they > drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet > components in their regular diet. MSG info would be > helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. > > > cotton <cotteni@...> wrote: > I see there is an occasional person that thinks > LDN is not helping > them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. > Check how many diet sodas > you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything. > Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG > [with many other names]. > IMHO if you delete these from your system, you > may find your LDN working. > If your LDN is working, just think how much > better you will feel and be > without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks > to the USDA > and Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve > total compliance Diet > sodas and food is easy. > Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all > the best health > possible. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 I agree on the artificial sweeteners I have been on the soap box about that for many years as well as the msg. http://myaspartameexperiment..com/ Sorry for the long read but it is worth it... I also have information on a quality water system if you have an interest. email me directly. I wondered if there could be an actual chemical causing the massive obesity epidemic, so did a friend of mine, Erb. He was a research assistant at the University of Waterloo, and spent years working for the government. He made an amazing discovery while going through scientific journals for a book he was writing called The Slow Poisoning of America. In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies. No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures by injecting them with MSG when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and humans?) to become obese they even have a title for the race of fat rodents they create: "MSG-Treated Rats" MSG? I was shocked too. I went to my kitchen, checking the cupboards and the fridge. MSG was in everything! The 's soups, the Hostess Doritos, the Lays flavored potato chips, Top Ramen, Betty Crocker Hamburger Helper, Heinz canned gravy, Swanson frozen prepared meals, Kraft salad dressings, especially the 'healthy low fat' ones. The items that didn't have MSG had something called Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, which is just another name for Monosodium Glutamate. It was shocking to see just how many of the foods we feed our children everyday are filled with this stuff. They hide MSG under many different names in order to fool those who catch on. But it didn't stop there. When our family went out to eat, we started asking at the restaurants what menu items had MSG. Many employees, even the managers, swore they didn't use MSG. But when we ask for the ingredient list which they grudgingly provided, sure enough MSG and Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein were everywhere. Burger King, Mcs, 's, Taco Bell, every restaurant, even the sit down ones like TGIF, Chilis', Applebees and Denny's use MSG in abundance. Kentucky Fried Chicken seemed to be the WORST offender: MSG as in every chicken dish, salad dressing and gravy. No wonder I loved to eat that coating on the skin, their secret spice was MSG! So why is MSG in so may of the foods we eat? Is it a preservative or a vitamin? Not according to my friend . In the book he wrote, an expose of the food additive industry called The Slow Poisoning of America, www.spofamerica.com <http://www.spofamerica.com/> , he said that MSG is added to food for the addictive effect it has on the human body. Even the pro da website sponsored by the food manufacturers lobby group supporting MSG at: http://www.msgfacts <http://www.msgfacts/> com/facts/msgfact12.html explains that the reason they add it to food is to make people eat more. A study of elderly people showed that people eat more of the foods that it is added to. The Glutamate Association lobby group says eating more benefits the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us? 'Betcha can't eat just one', takes on a whole new meaning where MSG is concerned! And we wonder why the nation is overweight? The MSG manufacturers themselves admit that it addicts people to their products. It makes people choose their product over others, and makes people eat more of it than they would if MSG wasn't added. Not only is MSG scientifically proven to cause obesity, it is an addictive substance! Since its introduction into the American food supply fifty years ago, MSG has been added in larger and larger doses to the prepackaged meals, soups, snacks and fast foods we are tempted to eat everyday. The FDA has set no limits on how much of it can be added to food. They claim it's safe to eat in any amount. How can they claim it is safe when there are hundreds of scientific studies with titles like these? The monosodium glutamate (MSG) obese rat as a for the study of exercise in obesity. Gobatto CA, Mello MA, Souza CT, Ribeiro IA. Res Commun Mol Pathol Pharmacol. 2002 Adrenalectomy abolishes the food-induced hypothalamic serotonin release in both normal and monosodium glutamate-obese rats. Guimaraes RB, Telles MM, Coelho VB, Mori RC, Nascimento CM, Ribeiro Brain Res Bull. 2002 Aug Obesity induced by neonatal monosodium glutamate treatment in spontaneously hypertensive rats: an animal of multiple risk factors. Yamamoto M, Iino K, Ichikawa K, Shinohara N, Yoshinari Fujishima Hypertens Res. 1998 Mar Hypothalamic lesion induced by injection of monosodium glutamate in suckling period and subsequent development of obesity. Tanaka K, Shimada M, Nakao K, Kusunoki Exp Neurol. 1978 Oct Yes, that last study was not a typo, it WAS written in 1978. Both the medical research community and food "manufacturers" have known MSG's side effects for decades! Many more studies mentioned in Erb's book link MSG to Diabetes, Migraines and headaches, Autism, ADHD and even Alzheimer's. But what can we do to stop the food manufactures from dumping fattening and addictive MSG into our food supply and causing the obesity epidemic we now see? Even as you read this, W. Bush and his corporate supporters are pushing a Bill through Congress. Called the "Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act" also known as the "Cheeseburger Bill " this sweeping law bans anyone from suing food manufacturers, sellers and distributors. Even if it comes out that they purposely added an addictive chemical to their foods. Read about it for yourself at: http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8458081.htm "Last month the House of Representatives passed the "Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act" to protect the food and beverage industry from civil lawsuits. Under the measure, known as the "Cheeseburger Bill," people who buy food or drinks couldn't sue the companies that made them, the stores that sold them or the restaurants that served them if they got fat from the products, so long as the products met existing laws. The Senate is expected to take up a similar bill later this year." The Bill has already been rushed through the House of Representatives, and is due for the same rubber stamp at Senate level. It is important that Bush and his corporate supporters get it through before the media lets everyone know about MSG, the intentional Nicotine for food. Several months ago, Erb took his book and his concerns to one of the highest government health officials in Canada. While sitting in the Government office, the official told him "Sure I know how bad MSG is, I wouldn't touch the stuff!" But this top-level government official refused to tell the public what he knew. The big media doesn't want to tell the public either, fearing legal issues with their advertisers. It seems that the fallout on the fast food industry may hurt their profit margin. So what do we do? The food producers and restaurants have been addicting us to their products for years, and now we are paying the price for it. Our children should not be cursed with obesity caused by an addictive food additive. But what can I do about it? I'm just one voice, what can I do to stop the poisoning of our children, while guys like Bush are insuring financial protection for the industry that is poisoning us. I for one am doing something about it. I am sending this email out to everyone I know in an attempt to show you the truth that the corporate owned politicians and media won't tell you. The best way you can help save yourself and your children from this -induced epidemic, is to forward this email to everyone. With any luck, it will circle the globe before Bush can pass the Bill protecting those who poisoned us. The food industry learned a lot from the tobacco industry. Imagine if big tobacco had a bill like this in place before someone blew the whistle on Nicotine? Blow the whistle on MSG. If you are one of the few who can still believe that MSG is good for us, and you don't believe what Erb has to say, see for yourself. Go to the National Library of Medicine, at http://www.pubmed.com <http://www.pubmed.com/> . Type in the words "MSG Obese", and read a few of the 115 medical studies that appear. We do not want to be rats in one giant experiment, and we do not approve of food that makes us into a nation of obese, lethargic, addicted sheep, waiting for the slaughter. With your help we can put an end to this, and stop the Slow Poisoning of America. Let's save our children. ( Erb) ann <maryannbpeterson@...> wrote: Hello Bob and Cotton, If you are going to stay away from artificial sweeteners you might want to try stevia. It is from a South American plant that is very sweet and may also affect blood sugar for the good. And, of course MSG is just added so that real ingredients don't have to be used. MSG give more bang for the buck...just as food processors. It might also be addictive. But if you are going to suggest that you might also mention that filtered water is essential. Water supplies have been proven not that great nation wide. Get the best dang water filter you can afford. And don't store your water in plastic. I know that this sounds like a lot to do. But take you time and do what you can. It is worth taking care of the only body you have ) ann Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 , I am not so sure about xylitol. I have IBS - or so I'm told - along with what I think are several other immune-related conditions, which I hope will respond to LDN, if I can find a doctor to prescribe it. In any case, I have found that xylitol, as well as all the other sugar substitutes, are quite effective at bringing on INCREASES in the IBS symptoms. Meantime, sugar is not a problem. Can't say for stevia - haven't tried it. This leads me to believe that most sugar substitutes, including xylitol, are not safe for everyone. I wonder if anyone else has had similar reactions? Judy Hudson <artist@...> wrote: I would highly recommend Xylitol an all natural sweetener that tasted so close to cane sugar it will fool you. It is actually beneficial for our health and teeth. www.xylitolnow.comOn 5/28/08 4:15 PM, "ROBERT CASTANARO" <castanarosbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: ann, Stevia is pretty good and is natural, though I think it might be too sweet for me sometimes. Our dieticians would NOT recommend this at a recent diabetic conference and preferred to promote all the chemicals....sad...sad....so I HIRED MY OWN dietitian to help teach diabetic ed! I'm not sure I buy into the plastic bottle thing though. Just my opinion, but there was some recent research that pretty much put an end to the concerns. Besides, I just HAVE to have my "FIJI" water....best tasting, or Glaceau "Smart Water" reverse osmosis. I cannot drink city water - gives me a mild upset stomach. Best Bob Cann <maryannbpetersonbellsouth (DOT) net> wrote: Hello Bob and Cotton, If you are going to stay away from artificial sweeteners you might want to try stevia. It is from a South American plant that is very sweet and may also affect blood sugar for the good. And, of course MSG is just added so that real ingredients don't have to be used. MSG give more bang for the buck...just as food processors. It might also be addictive. But if you are going to suggest that you might also mention that filtered water is essential. Water supplies have been proven not that great nation wide. Get the best dang water filter you can afford. And don't store your water in plastic. I know that this sounds like a lot to do. But take you time and do what you can. It is worth taking care of the only body you have ) ann Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 Judy, That is interesting and I am going to have to pay attention next time I use Xylitol on cereal to test my reactions. I haven’t noticed any adverse effects since I’ve been using it but then again I don’t do a food log like some of you smart folks. I have Crohn’s. Of course I don’t eat a lot of sugar or cane sweeteners of any kind. I generally use honey. However now that we are rapidly losing our bee populations honey may become like gas On 5/28/08 5:52 PM, " JC Freeman " <gwayles@...> wrote: , I am not so sure about xylitol. I have IBS - or so I'm told - along with what I think are several other immune-related conditions, which I hope will respond to LDN, if I can find a doctor to prescribe it. In any case, I have found that xylitol, as well as all the other sugar substitutes, are quite effective at bringing on INCREASES in the IBS symptoms. Meantime, sugar is not a problem. Can't say for stevia - haven't tried it. This leads me to believe that most sugar substitutes, including xylitol, are not safe for everyone. I wonder if anyone else has had similar reactions? Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 >>I like the way you talk. I wish more hospital/clinic administrators were a bit more like you )<< Ha! It doesn't make me the most popular sometimes... I am tentatively trying to get the word out about LDN without stepping on toes. It is best to tread honestly and carefully, lest LDN be dismissed as snake oil. But almost everyone I talk to knows someone who has not responded well to traditional therapies for Crohn's or Fibro mostly, and are in desperation mode. They always want the links. I am working on a FP doctor who dabbles in pain management but also looks at the whole patient and prescribes things like Alpha Lipoic Acid to help with diabetes and other natural supplements. If I can get this guy on board I will be able to send him a boatload of patients. This is why I am anxous to see the results of the Akron and Penn State studies. This will lend much creedence to the claims. Best, Bob Cann <maryannbpeterson@...> wrote: Hi Bob, I like the way you talk. I wish more hospital/clinic administrators were a bit more like you ) ann Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I have to go along with ann on the Stevia as I have used it for a long time. Bob, if it's too sweet just don't use as much. I have to wonder about a dietitian that would recommend a chemical over a natural plant. Makes me wonder where some of their money comes from. I drink filtered water only. I would prefer glass but it's not always practical. Now when all the beer is made from GMO grains, I'm really gonna get ticked off. Maybe it already is and I just don't know it yet. Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1462 - Release Date: 5/23/2008 7:20 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Have you heard about agave? It comes from a plant, is very sweet, and has a low glycemic index. I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1462 - Release Date: 5/23/2008 7:20 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Re: dietitians - It was becoming a disaster. Most hospital dietitians have an in-patient mentality, and especially in our institution they were way behind the curve. For example, they were trying to teach 80 year olds the exchange system for food balance - Hell, even I don't get it. Just too mind boggling. And they were 5 years behind on carb counting - and FOUGHT against it, even though the ADA supported it. So the Diab Educator that works with me and I decided to get someone who can actually HELP patients and families. There went the budget, but it was well worth it. My advice - Stick to a good single malt scotch, for purely medicinal purposes, of course....Bob Ccotton <cotteni@...> wrote: I have to go along with ann on the Stevia as I have used it for a long time. Bob, if it's too sweet just don't use as much. I have to wonder about a dietitian that would recommend a chemical over a natural plant. Makes me wonder where some of their money comes from. I drink filtered water only. I would prefer glass but it's not always practical. Now when all the beer is made from GMO grains, I'm really gonna get ticked off. Maybe it already is and I just don't know it yet. Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1462 - Release Date: 5/23/2008 7:20 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I use Agave (yum) and stevia. I think both are great. Stevia just needs to be used sparingly. . Agave comes in lots of great flavors. I use it on gluten free pancakes and it's wonderful.Take Care,TonetteSPMS Since 1996 I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1462 - Release Date: 5/23/2008 7:20 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I agree, it is well worth it. Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1462 - Release Date: 5/23/2008 7:20 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Hi , Agave is from a cacti I think. It is a lot less sweet than Stevia and might satisfy Bob. You probably have to go to a health food store to get it. ann Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Have you heard about agave? It comes from a plant, is very sweet, and has a low glycemic index. I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1462 - Release Date: 5/23/2008 7:20 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Where did you say you were? Probably not anywhere near Atlanta....I bet. I'm not doing too badly. I'll get to an acupuncturist Friday. The pain and mental fog can be intense. Fibro victim for 18 years ) ann Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 ann, I'm located near Akron Ohio. Now only famous as the home of LeBron . Let us know if the acupuncture helps. I have a lot of experience with acupuncurists, the best one here is an MD, intensivist, Anesthesiologist, and China trained acupuncurist. Becuae no one will pay for this, he dropped all insurancees and went cash only. Interested in those with fibro. We see a TON of patients with "fibro" but never a disticnt diagnosis. Hard to know what to prescribe, and the docs are at a loss sometimes. I see "Lyrica" was "approved" but no one can afford it, so we really don't have a series to look back on. Have a very good friend that has suffered from this mysterious disease and i keep forwarding posts on fibro to her. She is now looking to try LDN. Good luck Friday! Bobann <maryannbpeterson@...> wrote: Where did you say you were? Probably not anywhere near Atlanta....I bet. I'm not doing too badly. I'll get to an acupuncturist Friday. The pain and mental fog can be intense. Fibro victim for 18 years ) ann Re: [low dose naltrexone] health thoughts Perhaps those who are unresposive to LDN or have a negative experience could share with us whether they drink a lot of diet drinks or use other diet components in their regular diet. MSG info would be helpful too, just to see if this has any effect. cotton <cottenibrazosnet> wrote: I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDAand Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet sodas and food is easy.Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 My dad's homemade red wine ROCKS! It's all I allow myself to drink and my hubby was just trained on the 'secret' family methods > I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is not helping > them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many diet sodas > you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything. > Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. > IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDN working. > If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be > without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDA > and Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet > sodas and food is easy. > Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1462 - Release Date: 5/23/2008 7:20 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 One must certainly not lose those secret traditional recipes...<g> <juliedodaro@...> wrote: My dad's homemade red wine ROCKS! It's all I allow myself to drinkand my hubby was just trained on the 'secret' family methods > I see there is an occasional person that thinks LDN is nothelping > them. I have a suggestion for what it's worth. Check how many dietsodas > you drink a day. Matter of fact diet anything.> Also check out the foods you eat that has MSG [with many other names]. > IMHO if you delete these from your system, you may find your LDNworking. > If your LDN is working, just think how much better you will feel and be > without ingesting those poisons. I know, thanks to the USDA> and Big Pharma it's almost impossible to achieve total compliance Diet > sodas and food is easy.> Just my take on it all and I'm wishing you all the best health > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1462 - Release Date:5/23/2008 7:20 AM> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Hey Bob, I agree. If I'm going to choose my poison, give me a shot of Laphroig over a diet soda any day! The reports I've read on artificial sweeteners, aspartame-containing Nutrasweet, etc. are totally damning, with claims that they can cause all sorts of neurotoxic effects that look very much like MS, CHF and more. They really make me feel awful, and MSG and the nitrates in cured meats give me headaches, so I avoid them unless I really want a three-day migraine. I've read that MSG is also in ingredients such as " autolyzed " yeast, " hydrolyzed " protein, etc.. I try to avoid dyes, preservatives, (except for EDTA) all things that sound artificial, packaged foods and anything that has more than three or four ingredients listed. It is not easy, but think about this, eggs, lemons, olive oil, broccoli, kale, squash and sweet potatoes do not require ingredients panels at all. I just don't think a person can even hope to get well, even on LDN, if they continue to poison themselves with all this toxic stuff approved by the FDA! That " educated " dieticians continue to promote it is beyond belief. K. I have to go along with ann on the Stevia as I have used it for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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