out of the mouths of babes

[Guest guest]

The following poem is reported as being written by a young child dying of

cancer

Hi All,

Here's something to make you stop and think!

Please read the whole message, it is from a child.

Be sure you read the end of this message.

S L O W D A N C E:

Have you ever watched kids on a merry-go-round

Or listened to the rain slapping on the ground?

Ever followed a butterfly's erratic flight

Or gazed at the sun into the fading night?

You better slow down. Don't dance so fast

Time is short. The music won't last

Do you run through each day on the fly

When you ask " How are you? " do you hear the reply?

When the day is done, do you lie in your bed

With the next hundred chores running through your head?

You'd better slow down. Don't dance so fast

Time is short. The music won't last

Ever told your child, We'll do it tomorrow

And in your haste, not see his sorrow?

Ever lost touch, Let a good friendship die

'Cause you never had time to call and say " Hi " ?

You'd better slow down. Don't dance so fast

Time is short. The music won't last

When you run so fast to get somewhere

You miss half the fun of getting there.

When you worry and hurry through your day,

It is like an unopened gift....Thrown away...

Life is not a race. Do take it slower

Hear the music. Before the song is over.

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Dear All,

It is the poem of a little girl who will soon leave this world as she has been a

victim of the terrible disease called CANCER.

This little girl has 6 months left to live, and as her dying wish, she

wanted to tell everyone to live their life to fullest, since she never will.

She'll never make it to prom, graduate from high school or get married and

have a family of her own.

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

There is one milk bank and they actually do pasteurize the breast milk. I

read about it on the WAP mothering board. Then there is the organization I

think you are talking about where the individuals are linked up and the

milk is sent directly to the family from the donor. That would be a tragedy

to have that banned. Imagine breast milk being an illicit underground

substance. Maybe my daughter's thoughts on the matter is a real concern.

Or perhaps the drug companies will come up with a magic pill that quickly

induces a high fever, but only for a few seconds so it couldn't possibly

cause damage to mom, and the high temp will pasteurize the breast milk, and

alas, the babies will be saved from the horrid bacteria festering in the

milk ducts (of course there are none as the milk ducts are sterile, but who

needs to mention that?)

I mostly wanted to see if other kids have their little brain gears churning

over all what is going on, and wondering what kinds of things they are

processing and what kind of conclusions they are drawing. I am wondering

how all of this is shaping their attitudes towards traditional foods- if it

is making their opinions stronger, or weaker, or if there is

misunderstanding about traditional foods because of all the conflicts

arising.

Milkless in Plymouth :-(

Carol

[Guest guest]

I love the thinking! Childrens minds are churning away on this. My three

children have all asked me at one time or another why the government wants to

make us sick or kill us by making us eat gross food (pasteurized milk). Their

attitudes are certainly being shaped by current events, they are very aware of

what is going on.

[Guest guest]

Are viruses harmless? They can insert themselves into the human genome,

disrupt our own gene expression causing imbalance and illness, and then at

opportune times come out and make a person deathly ill. I am not sure if I

agree with the premise they are harmless. Unlike bacteria, I can not think

of one good outcome of viruses, other than genetic research which is not a

natural phenomena and has been used to create GMO (God move over)

nightmares.

So if Aids is not caused by HIV or sexual transmission, why is the Aids rate

tremendously high with homosexual men? If HIV is present in 100% of aids

cases, and not in healthy individuals that never develop aids, how can we

conclude HIV doesn't play a major role in AIDS? I certainly can see how

nutritional deficiencies could cause a latent virus to spark into action

(the deficiency could cause an opportunity for the virus to create some

damage and reproduce) and causing an AIDS case, but how can it be argued

that nutrition is solely the cause of HIV?

I realize this has moved off line, but I am not sure who is arguing from

what side so I posted this in hopes someone(s) might offer their opinions in

this very interesting discussion. If Aids is really caused by a nutritional

deficiency, I think it is very much on topic. It is so hard to see a clear

line between where trad foods stops and where health topic begin because

they are so interwoven and dependent on one another.

Carol

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol, and all others interested. This is relevant to why it's important

to eat real food, including milk and other substances that haven't been

damaged by overheating (such as pasteurization and even worse,

ultrapasteurization, or irradiation, or just be fragmentation to increase

exposure to heat, light and air, as happens with powdered milk) so I'm

inclined to leave it in the general forum.

One perspective on why AIDS is high in homosexual men is that the use of

nitric acid elevated " poppers " is/has been allegedly common. These promote

vasodilation, thus making it possible to have sex more often than a body

would normally manage. It's the same principle that's applied in viagra.

A healthy body uses NO to kill noxious microbes or other abnormal

substances, including unhealthy or cancerous cells, as well as for many

other functions.

The macrophages of generalized immune response, sometimes referred to as

Th1 immune response, destroy abnormal cells by giving off a " respiratory

burst " based on nitric oxide (NO). These dissolve or explode the abnormal

bits. Unfortunately, when NO is used, oxidizing (electron stealing)

particles occur. if not contained, they proceed to steal electrons from

other parts of cells in the area, leading to further cell and tissue damage

and it goes down hill from there.

Glutathione (GSH) is a one of the most important substances the body uses to

trap and removed errant electrons. GSH is also important in removing other

toxins from the body, as part of " Phase 2 " of (liver) detox reactions. GSH

bonds with toxins and various other charged substances and facilitates their

removal from the body either thru the bowel or the urine. This is one of

the reasons that a daily bowel movement is very important: it removes toxins

from the body lest they be reabsorbed.

Various things promote depletion of GSH. These include:

- chronic or intensely acute stress, be it emotional, physical, injury,

overstimulation, insufficient recreation & renewal

- hyperactive metabolism (as from overexcitation from MSG or constant

sympathetic nervous system stimulation)

- toxic minerals including heavy metals (Pb - lead, As - arsenic, Hg =

mercury, Cd - cadmium (McD children's glasses these days), to name a few)

- non-food substances such as preservatives, additives, flavorings,

colorings, abnormal proteins that show in up GMO " foodstuffs " -- anything

that the body can't use and which could interfere with healthy metabolism -

that includes most drugs too

- acetominophen which is the active ingredient in Tylenol,

Foods that support GSH restoration include:

- (vit E complex, vit C complex, alpha lipoic acid -- altho some say that

ala binds w/ GSH immediately thus disabling it)

- proteins (from which GSH is made)

- sulfur containing foods (onion & cabbage family vegetables especially,

eggs)

- other antioxidants such as those that occur naturally in deeply colored

fruits & vegetables

These are both incomplete lists, but a place to start. There's plenty of

room for research about this. One explanation of autism is that when a

person is low in GSH and other nutrient reserves, vulnerability to toxins is

highly increased. Add exposure to mercury or aluminum (which aids mercury

in crossing the blood-brain barrier), be it thru vaccines or wherever, and

nerve damage manifest in the various faces of autism shows up. There's a

lot more to this, but it's the beginning of a picture.

Viruses tend to show up in a body when minerals are low. Ott, of time

lapse photography fame, the guy who developed the process often used in

Disney films way back in the mid 1900's, did a lot of observation of plants

and suggested that viruses are like embers of a fire. They occur from

abnormal metabolism. They can't initiative a fire, but they can perpetuate

it. They arise from incorrect DNA or RNA replication. Once the mistake or

incorrect replication occurs, it can be perpetuated. This is all consistent

with viruses being abnormal genetic material (DNA or RNA), unable to survive

on their own, dependent on a host cell for all its metabolic functions to

continue.

The connection between mineral insufficiency and viruses would be that

several minerals and all the B vitamins are especially necessary for

accurate DNA & RNA replication. B6 is particularly important and that is

destroyed by cooking - including microwaving, and most of the prescription

drugs on the market. B6 IS present in raw milk and raw milk cheeses.

Without adequate Mg (magnesium) and Zn (zinc) and B6, accurate replication

of DNA and RNA can't take place.

As a result, while trying to generate proteins for various reasons --

repair, enzymatic reactions for general operation, digestion or intake of

materials, maintenance, immune response, a body can end up producing all

kinds of strange and abnormal cells if it doesn't have the Mg, Zn, B6 (and

more) to do the job right. If the abnormal cells aren't immediately removed

and destroyed (using NO and the Th1 immune response), then they might

continue to replicate, leading to a viral infection. The body's response,

generally perceived as flu, is to scramble to generate more generalized

immune response macrophages -- the original pac men, who go around gobbling

up and and destroying the abnormal, incorrect cells, fragments, bits of

strange stuff, aka viruses and other inappropriate microbes.

One interpretation is that most diseases that are described as " genetic " may

really be the result of faulty DNA & RNA replication.

Carol, Your " God move over " phrase for GMOs strikes me as right on! May I

borrow it for widespread further use?

Thanks to Dennis for the input on Duesberg (which makes a lot of sense to

me) , and Glenn for his succinct questions, Laurie for more input, and more.

This is a big puzzle, and I believe we each see something on it that may

not be evident to others. More later; time to get some work done now....

L

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Carol Frisk <carolfrisk@...> wrote:

> Are viruses harmless? They can insert themselves into the human genome,

> disrupt our own gene expression causing imbalance and illness, and then at

> opportune times come out and make a person deathly ill. I am not sure if I

> agree with the premise they are harmless. Unlike bacteria, I can not think

> of one good outcome of viruses, other than genetic research which is not a

> natural phenomena and has been used to create GMO (God move over)

> nightmares.

>

>

>

> So if Aids is not caused by HIV or sexual transmission, why is the Aids

> rate

> tremendously high with homosexual men? If HIV is present in 100% of aids

> cases, and not in healthy individuals that never develop aids, how can we

> conclude HIV doesn't play a major role in AIDS? I certainly can see how

> nutritional deficiencies could cause a latent virus to spark into action

> (the deficiency could cause an opportunity for the virus to create some

> damage and reproduce) and causing an AIDS case, but how can it be argued

> that nutrition is solely the cause of HIV?

>

> I realize this has moved off line, but I am not sure who is arguing from

> what side so I posted this in hopes someone(s) might offer their opinions

> in

> this very interesting discussion. If Aids is really caused by a

> nutritional

> deficiency, I think it is very much on topic. It is so hard to see a clear

> line between where trad foods stops and where health topic begin because

> they are so interwoven and dependent on one another.

>

>

>

> Carol

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

From what I've read over the years, AIDS was created in a lab, the same as

Lymes disease. Homosexuals get it because HIV is inserted into the hepatitis B

vaccine.Yes, it's that EVIL!!!! We are at war, it's time for those that choose

to do good to realize that.

http://www.originofaids.com/articles/early.htm

http://www.whale.to/v/hepb1.html

Nutrition is the key to maintaining a healthy immune system to fight off ill

health, but it is much harder when we are dealing with mutant creations from a

lab.

Mark Purdey http://www.markpurdey.com/ did some great research on nutritional

deficiencies, heavy metals, environmental toxins, etc. and the role they play in

mad cow and similar Human issues. He cured TB in his cattle with nutrition. The

government/$cience solution is to kill the animal!!

It's hard to imagine what the GMOs are going to bring about with their virus,

bacteria, animal, human, and plant parts all mingled together. Plus, the toxic

poison sprayed on those plants as they grow which leaves poison residue in the

seed.

Maybe this is why God will shorten the time lest all life be destroyed.

$cience has screwed everything up for profit and made sure true

science/knowledge is buried/ridiculed. (Tesla, Beauchamp, Wilhelm Reich,

Reams,........)

I'm not saying everyone with a degree in a scientific field is in on it,

although most contribute unwittingly. There are good people that repeat what

they were taught, and ridicule truth and reason, without ever searching out

alternative information. This is the main reason status quo is maintained. It's

no different than me trying to reason with a poison farmer. There is no

reasoning because they know the answers already. The university says, or

Monsanto said so, or I've been farming for 30 years.

Do you really think they only want your raw milk? It's more than coincidence

or a crazy conspiracy theory, especially when you've been following it for 30+

years.

Cheyenne

>

> So if Aids is not caused by HIV or sexual transmission, why is the Aids rate

> tremendously high with homosexual men? If HIV is present in 100% of aids

> cases, and not in healthy individuals that never develop aids, how can we

> conclude HIV doesn't play a major role in AIDS? I certainly can see how

> nutritional deficiencies could cause a latent virus to spark into action

> (the deficiency could cause an opportunity for the virus to create some

> damage and reproduce) and causing an AIDS case, but how can it be argued

> that nutrition is solely the cause of HIV?

>