Re: BREAST CANCER, PLEASE HELP: diet, cleanses, supplements, over-all plan

April 19, 2004

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[ ] BREAST CANCER, PLEASE HELP: diet, cleanses,

supplements, over-all plan

We need help from others farther down the path of healing breast

cancer. Here's the story so far:

My partner, Janet, was diagnosed last month with invasive ductal

carcinoma. The doctor's recommendation was for immediate surgery, a

mastectomy, because of the proximity of part of the mass to her

nipple, possibly with chemo and tamoxifen afterwards. We decided

against the surgery and have been researching conventional and

alternative treatments. I do the bulk of the research, as I simply do

not have faith in conventional medicine to heal the body, don't accept

the conventional treatments as healthy(!) and have some good

experience with alternatives. Without my encouragement to consider

alternatives, Janet would already have had surgery.

Immediately after being diagnosed, we (I do everything with Janet,

same diet, etc. as support) we stopped eating foods that cause the

body to be more acid; no more alcohol, meat, fish, dairy, wheat or

sweeteners of any kind. We have been eating very lightly, just raw

fruits & vegies and juicing. We get daily exercise, plenty of

sunlight, saunas and good sleep. We also started on a parasite

cleanse (ParaGone), which we're in the middle of. Janet also did two

colonics.

In appearance, Janet is healthy as could be, in generally excellent

physical condition, very active.

The supplements we're taking are as follows:

Cell Quest (a banana sap enzyme)

Wobenzyme

Essiac tea

Digitoxin

Vacustatin (convolvulus or bindweed)

Artemesinin

NK & T cell enhancer

RM-10

CoQ-10

flaxseed oil (w/cottage cheese)

DIM

graviola

antioxidant capsules

tumeric

fennel

MSM

vitamins A, B-complex, C & E

apricot kernels

raspberry seeds (Ellagic Acid)

calcium

magnesium

Rhodiola

yew extract

Green Vibrance (nutritional powder)

Bio-Bac (from Spain, no longer available- a friend had some his

sister-in-law did not use)

The only additional supplemnents we're considering taking is B-17 and

MGN-3.

At this point in the research, what looks to be the best path forward

is to commit to a set program of fasting, to let the body rest. Dr.

Schulze's " INCURABLES " program is what we're considering

(http://healingtools.tripod.com/DS_pages.html#new specifically:

http://healingtools.tripod.com/incurprog1.html and

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/20067.html ), beginning

with the juice fast, super foods, castor oil packs, high enemas, hot &

cold showers, cold sheet treatment, etc.

-Does anyone have experience with this method? Recommendations?

-If this is the path, what, if any, of the supplements should we

continue taking while doing the juice fast, etc?

-Are any other supplements recommended?

-Are any other healing programs recommended instead of Dr. Schulze's?

We want to decide on a comprehensive program and stick with it.

* * * OUR MAIN REQUEST * * *

Janet would like very much to talk with people ASAP who have

treated/are treating breast cancer solely through alternative METHODS,

regardless of results. There's nothing like real life experience to

help her decide what course to take. There are too many people

telling her to get surgery as soon as possible, don't wait (don't

think). Hopefully some of you will help balance this.

The best way to contact Janet is by phone, in Florida, at

541-350-7843. Second best is through my e-mail:

balloonman1999@...

Urgency is important. I'm American, but Janet is British. She's in

the US on a visitor's visa that expires this week. We leave for

Europe on Wednesday evening. Because she is covered by the socialized

medicine in England (and not insured in the US), she has scheduled

surgery in England, on May 10th, as a fall-back plan.

Thank you for helping us. Best wishes to all!

April 19, 2004

I would consider switching from the Wobenzyme to the Omnizyme. Omnizyme

seems to have a greater potiential for help. You can find more information

here: http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/enzyme_therapy.htm

You'll find that it has a much greater amount of both a-Chymotrypsin and

Trypsin which, in my understanding are supposed to be the primary enzymes

that fight tumors. I have a friend who is using a combo of Vitalzyme, and

Omnizyme to help in his fight against lung cancer.

I'm sorry I can't offer more help, or encouragment. Perhaps others can.

Janice

>From: " Bill " <>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] BREAST CANCER, PLEASE HELP: diet, cleanses,

>supplements, over-all plan

>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:56:06 -0000

>

>We need help from others farther down the path of healing breast

>cancer. Here's the story so far:

>

>My partner, Janet, was diagnosed last month with invasive ductal

>carcinoma. The doctor's recommendation was for immediate surgery, a

>mastectomy, because of the proximity of part of the mass to her

>nipple, possibly with chemo and tamoxifen afterwards. We decided

>against the surgery and have been researching conventional and

>alternative treatments. I do the bulk of the research, as I simply do

>not have faith in conventional medicine to heal the body, don't accept

>the conventional treatments as healthy(!) and have some good

>experience with alternatives. Without my encouragement to consider

>alternatives, Janet would already have had surgery.

>

>Immediately after being diagnosed, we (I do everything with Janet,

>same diet, etc. as support) we stopped eating foods that cause the

>body to be more acid; no more alcohol, meat, fish, dairy, wheat or

>sweeteners of any kind. We have been eating very lightly, just raw

>fruits & vegies and juicing. We get daily exercise, plenty of

>sunlight, saunas and good sleep. We also started on a parasite

>cleanse (ParaGone), which we're in the middle of. Janet also did two

>colonics.

>

>In appearance, Janet is healthy as could be, in generally excellent

>physical condition, very active.

>

>The supplements we're taking are as follows:

>

>Cell Quest (a banana sap enzyme)

>Wobenzyme

>Essiac tea

>Digitoxin

>Vacustatin (convolvulus or bindweed)

>Artemesinin

>NK & T cell enhancer

>RM-10

>CoQ-10

>flaxseed oil (w/cottage cheese)

>DIM

>graviola

>antioxidant capsules

>tumeric

>fennel

>MSM

>vitamins A, B-complex, C & E

>apricot kernels

>raspberry seeds (Ellagic Acid)

>calcium

>magnesium

>Rhodiola

>yew extract

>Green Vibrance (nutritional powder)

>Bio-Bac (from Spain, no longer available- a friend had some his

>sister-in-law did not use)

>

>The only additional supplemnents we're considering taking is B-17 and

>MGN-3.

>

>At this point in the research, what looks to be the best path forward

>is to commit to a set program of fasting, to let the body rest. Dr.

> Schulze's " INCURABLES " program is what we're considering

>(http://healingtools.tripod.com/DS_pages.html#new specifically:

>http://healingtools.tripod.com/incurprog1.html and

>http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/20067.html ), beginning

>with the juice fast, super foods, castor oil packs, high enemas, hot &

>cold showers, cold sheet treatment, etc.

>

>-Does anyone have experience with this method? Recommendations?

>-If this is the path, what, if any, of the supplements should we

>continue taking while doing the juice fast, etc?

>-Are any other supplements recommended?

>-Are any other healing programs recommended instead of Dr. Schulze's?

>

>We want to decide on a comprehensive program and stick with it.

>

>* * * OUR MAIN REQUEST * * *

>

>Janet would like very much to talk with people ASAP who have

>treated/are treating breast cancer solely through alternative METHODS,

>regardless of results. There's nothing like real life experience to

>help her decide what course to take. There are too many people

>telling her to get surgery as soon as possible, don't wait (don't

>think). Hopefully some of you will help balance this.

>

>The best way to contact Janet is by phone, in Florida, at

>541-350-7843. Second best is through my e-mail:

>balloonman1999@...

>

>Urgency is important. I'm American, but Janet is British. She's in

>the US on a visitor's visa that expires this week. We leave for

>Europe on Wednesday evening. Because she is covered by the socialized

>medicine in England (and not insured in the US), she has scheduled

>surgery in England, on May 10th, as a fall-back plan…

>

>Thank you for helping us. Best wishes to all!

>

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April 20, 2004

> I would consider switching from the Wobenzyme to the Omnizyme. Omnizyme

> seems to have a greater potiential for help. You can find more information

> here: http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/enzyme_therapy.htm

This is *almost* the same formula as Megazyme Forte at

http://shop.store./healthgenesis/zyme48.html ,

which has 2.5 mg of zinc per tablet instead of 1 mg (and

is $20 cheaper). I found what I suppose is an older listing

of Megazyme Forte ingredients at

http://www.1cure4cancer.com/products/megazyme.html

but the link to order no longer works. It states 10mg

zinc per tablet. Perhaps the manufacturer keeps lowering the

amount of zinc, which is good. 1 mg is about right for a product

meant to be taken in high dose since many people cannot handle

a lot of zinc without causing stomach cramps. I myself can

take no more than 10 mg at one time with food and on an empty

stomach, no more than 5.

turf

April 20, 2004

Thanks for the great web site!

> http://www.islandnet.com/~hoffer/

April 20, 2004

Thanks for your suggestion for the MGN-3. Best wishes to you.

Bill

> Hello Bill, Wow! You have a lot of bases covered. Having been down

the path, without the loving support Janet has, I did/doing most of

what you have listed. I worked hard to get my ph up to 6.8. I have

found a replacement for the very expensive MGN-3 and that is Host

Defense by MycoMedicinals, www.newchapter.info I get them at my

health food store, they are certified organic and cost about

$27.00/60veg caps. When I was first diagnosed I took 6 MGN3/day. I had

stage 4 breast ca and had the breast removed. I did not have chemo or

radiation. I did go on Taxmoxifen, that was in May 03. Good luck and

God Bless you and Janet. patti

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April 20, 2004

Thanks Janice. We'll look into it.

Bill

> I would consider switching from the Wobenzyme to the Omnizyme.

Omnizyme

> seems to have a greater potiential for help. You can find more

information

> here: http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/enzyme_therapy.htm

>

> You'll find that it has a much greater amount of both a-Chymotrypsin

and

> Trypsin which, in my understanding are supposed to be the primary

enzymes

> that fight tumors. I have a friend who is using a combo of

Vitalzyme, and

> Omnizyme to help in his fight against lung cancer.

>

> I'm sorry I can't offer more help, or encouragment. Perhaps others can.

>

> Janice

April 20, 2004

Thanks. We'll decide which is best, good to know the options.

Bill

>

> > I would consider switching from the Wobenzyme to the Omnizyme.

Omnizyme

> > seems to have a greater potiential for help. You can find more

information

> > here: http://home.bluegrass.net/~jclark/enzyme_therapy.htm

>

> This is *almost* the same formula as Megazyme Forte at

> http://shop.store./healthgenesis/zyme48.html ,

> which has 2.5 mg of zinc per tablet instead of 1 mg (and

> is $20 cheaper). I found what I suppose is an older listing

> of Megazyme Forte ingredients at

> http://www.1cure4cancer.com/products/megazyme.html

> but the link to order no longer works. It states 10mg

> zinc per tablet. Perhaps the manufacturer keeps lowering the

> amount of zinc, which is good. 1 mg is about right for a product

> meant to be taken in high dose since many people cannot handle

> a lot of zinc without causing stomach cramps. I myself can

> take no more than 10 mg at one time with food and on an empty

> stomach, no more than 5.

>

> turf

April 21, 2004

Hi Bill,

I am much in the same situation as you, my wife has invasive ductual

carcinoma, 40 years of age. However, has rushed down rollercoaster of

conventional medicine a week ago had her breast removed, etc. I am

trying to slow her down and consider consequences, etc and see the

other side. As far as I am concerned conventional does not treat the

reason the cancer is there, only chops or poisons away the evidence.

Until they can no longer do so without killing the person outright or

the cancer has gone. I wonder in many cases whether it has gone

because the person has a wake up call and changed their lifestyle or

whatever.

Anyway I write this to ask that you keep in touch I'd like to know

how your wife goes and successes you may have. Best wishes with

yourself, I also know very much what you are going through. It's

hard but life moves on and you adapt even though I am still very

angry and lost lots of sleep it's lessening.

Whatever the case I am fully committed to get my wife onto the

alternatives I've seen and improve her immune system via diet and

lifestyle particularly exercise. Not that she is overweight but she

isn't exactly fit. The removal of further lymph nodes though has me

worried as the impacts here immune system, oh well.

cheers.. Ron..

> We need help from others farther down the path of healing breast

> cancer. Here's the story so far:

>

> My partner, Janet, was diagnosed last month with invasive ductal

> carcinoma. The doctor's recommendation was for immediate surgery, a

> mastectomy, because of the proximity of part of the mass to her

> nipple, possibly with chemo and tamoxifen afterwards. We decided

> against the surgery and have been researching conventional and

> alternative treatments. I do the bulk of the research, as I simply

do

> not have faith in conventional medicine to heal the body, don't

accept

> the conventional treatments as healthy(!) and have some good

> experience with alternatives. Without my encouragement to consider

> alternatives, Janet would already have had surgery.

>

> Immediately after being diagnosed, we (I do everything with Janet,

> same diet, etc. as support) we stopped eating foods that cause the

> body to be more acid; no more alcohol, meat, fish, dairy, wheat or

> sweeteners of any kind. We have been eating very lightly, just raw

> fruits & vegies and juicing. We get daily exercise, plenty of

> sunlight, saunas and good sleep. We also started on a parasite

> cleanse (ParaGone), which we're in the middle of. Janet also did

two

> colonics.

>

> In appearance, Janet is healthy as could be, in generally excellent

> physical condition, very active.

>

> The supplements we're taking are as follows:

>

> Cell Quest (a banana sap enzyme)

> Wobenzyme

> Essiac tea

> Digitoxin

> Vacustatin (convolvulus or bindweed)

> Artemesinin

> NK & T cell enhancer

> RM-10

> CoQ-10

> flaxseed oil (w/cottage cheese)

> DIM

> graviola

> antioxidant capsules

> tumeric

> fennel

> MSM

> vitamins A, B-complex, C & E

> apricot kernels

> raspberry seeds (Ellagic Acid)

> calcium

> magnesium

> Rhodiola

> yew extract

> Green Vibrance (nutritional powder)

> Bio-Bac (from Spain, no longer available- a friend had some his

> sister-in-law did not use)

>

> The only additional supplemnents we're considering taking is B-17

and

> MGN-3.

>

> At this point in the research, what looks to be the best path

forward

> is to commit to a set program of fasting, to let the body rest. Dr.

> Schulze's " INCURABLES " program is what we're considering

> (http://healingtools.tripod.com/DS_pages.html#new specifically:

> http://healingtools.tripod.com/incurprog1.html and

> http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/20067.html ), beginning

> with the juice fast, super foods, castor oil packs, high enemas,

hot &

> cold showers, cold sheet treatment, etc.

>

> -Does anyone have experience with this method? Recommendations?

> -If this is the path, what, if any, of the supplements should we

> continue taking while doing the juice fast, etc?

> -Are any other supplements recommended?

> -Are any other healing programs recommended instead of Dr.

Schulze's?

>

> We want to decide on a comprehensive program and stick with it.

>

> * * * OUR MAIN REQUEST * * *

>

> Janet would like very much to talk with people ASAP who have

> treated/are treating breast cancer solely through alternative

METHODS,

> regardless of results. There's nothing like real life experience to

> help her decide what course to take. There are too many people

> telling her to get surgery as soon as possible, don't wait (don't

> think). Hopefully some of you will help balance this.

>

> The best way to contact Janet is by phone, in Florida, at

> 541-350-7843. Second best is through my e-mail:

> balloonman1999@h...

>

> Urgency is important. I'm American, but Janet is British. She's in

> the US on a visitor's visa that expires this week. We leave for

> Europe on Wednesday evening. Because she is covered by the

socialized

> medicine in England (and not insured in the US), she has scheduled

> surgery in England, on May 10th, as a fall-back plan…

>

> Thank you for helping us. Best wishes to all!

April 22, 2004

Ron and Bill,

You guys hang in there. I would not have the courage to alternative if my

family didn't support it. Get books for them to read, constantly talk about the

fact that there are no guarantees going conventional, allow them to have their

feelings but back up what you have to offer with research. Ralph Mosses book

" The Cancer Industry " is a great eye-opener. See if you can get them to read

that. But really, the decision is there's and they have to be the one to come

to grips with it.

Bill, I spoke to Janet the other night and she's definitely on board with the

alternative thing. Just keep encouraging her and researching.

Ron, hang in there with your wife. Maybe get some research on woman who've got

lymphedema because having their lymph's removed.

Good luck and God Bless!

Mona

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