Re: fermented soy products

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In a message dated 11/27/03 12:42:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

leonardleonard1@... writes:

> www.econugenics.com/products/description.php3?p=533

>

This site looks amazing. Have you tried any of these products? I just sent a

link to a friend with breast cancer for their breast support suppliment.

I would appreciate any testimonials.

Thanks,

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In a message dated 11/27/03 12:42:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

leonardleonard1@... writes:

> www.econugenics.com/products/description.php3?p=533

>

This site looks amazing. Have you tried any of these products? I just sent a

link to a friend with breast cancer for their breast support suppliment.

I would appreciate any testimonials.

Thanks,

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From: <szukidavis@...>

> In a message dated 11/27/03 12:08:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> leonardleonard1@... writes:

> > Yes. I would use tempeh or a fermented soy beverage instead.

> I didn't realize that tempeh was fermented.

Yes, in fact it's the only soy food I'd eat if I had cancer.

> Also..I guess the beverage you refer to is miso soup?

No. Miso's fermented, but most brands have a lot of salt.

I was referring to high-quality (and unfortunately high-price) fermented soy

beverages, such as

www.haelanproducts.com

Yang-851

Soy Essence (Yarrow)

EcoGen www.econugenics.com/products/description.php3?p=533

Nutra-Soy

Soy Option (BioImmune.com)

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From: <szukidavis@...>

> In a message dated 11/27/03 12:08:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> leonardleonard1@... writes:

> > Yes. I would use tempeh or a fermented soy beverage instead.

> I didn't realize that tempeh was fermented.

Yes, in fact it's the only soy food I'd eat if I had cancer.

> Also..I guess the beverage you refer to is miso soup?

No. Miso's fermented, but most brands have a lot of salt.

I was referring to high-quality (and unfortunately high-price) fermented soy

beverages, such as

www.haelanproducts.com

Yang-851

Soy Essence (Yarrow)

EcoGen www.econugenics.com/products/description.php3?p=533

Nutra-Soy

Soy Option (BioImmune.com)

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From: <szukidavis@...>

> In a message dated 11/27/03 12:42:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> leonardleonard1@... writes:

> > www.econugenics.com/products/description.php3?p=533

> This site looks amazing. Have you tried any of these products?

No, I regret I've never even been to the website.

> I would appreciate any testimonials.

I read that the Econugenics product is recommended by Dr. Stoff, whom I

much respect.

I haven't read much about the products except for Haelan. Re: Haelan,

" may be the best nutritional food supplement....I've interviewed many patients,

maybe a hundred, who have taken Haelan as the only form of cancer treatment that

helped them. Either it causes remissions, or...tumors...shrink and

disappear....patient who used Haelan as the only thing that caused his cancer to

disappear...nothing else was working for him. He had liver

cancer...metastasized....breast cancer with metastases to...liver and

bones...about to die....a bottle a day for two month...no more cancer " (Morton

, DPM, cited in Hess, 1999, pp. 156-157).

At Hospital Santa , Haelan was given to " six [cachexic cancer]

patients...very critical...could not eat [or] walk...Within two days, four of

the six people were up eating and walking again " (Ross Pelton, RPh, PhD, CCN,

cited in Hess, 1999, p. 150). Five of them reportedly alive 5 yrs later. " I have

put every patient on it that I can....many, many people benefit from it...some

who have had miraculous turnarounds " (Pelton cited in Hess, 1999, p. 150).

" Sherman , the only known survivor of cholangiocarcinoma (primary liver

cancer spread to the intestines, lymph system and gall bladder) and cancer free

for over 6 years after using Haelan "

www.cancercontrolsociety.com/bio2002/wainwright.html

I've spoken w/several holistic cancer practitioners who've used Haelan and

other fermented soy beverages. All have reported very positive results. For more

info ( & testimonials?)

www.cancer-therapy.net/haelanPage.htm

www.sagepartners.com

www.wellbeingjournal.com/haelan.htm

www.haelanproducts.com

Hess, J. (1999). Evaluating Alternative Cancer Therapies: A Guide to the

Science and Politics of an Emerging Field. Rutgers Un. Press.

[Guest guest]

From: <szukidavis@...>

> In a message dated 11/27/03 12:42:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> leonardleonard1@... writes:

> > www.econugenics.com/products/description.php3?p=533

> This site looks amazing. Have you tried any of these products?

No, I regret I've never even been to the website.

> I would appreciate any testimonials.

I read that the Econugenics product is recommended by Dr. Stoff, whom I

much respect.

I haven't read much about the products except for Haelan. Re: Haelan,

" may be the best nutritional food supplement....I've interviewed many patients,

maybe a hundred, who have taken Haelan as the only form of cancer treatment that

helped them. Either it causes remissions, or...tumors...shrink and

disappear....patient who used Haelan as the only thing that caused his cancer to

disappear...nothing else was working for him. He had liver

cancer...metastasized....breast cancer with metastases to...liver and

bones...about to die....a bottle a day for two month...no more cancer " (Morton

, DPM, cited in Hess, 1999, pp. 156-157).

At Hospital Santa , Haelan was given to " six [cachexic cancer]

patients...very critical...could not eat [or] walk...Within two days, four of

the six people were up eating and walking again " (Ross Pelton, RPh, PhD, CCN,

cited in Hess, 1999, p. 150). Five of them reportedly alive 5 yrs later. " I have

put every patient on it that I can....many, many people benefit from it...some

who have had miraculous turnarounds " (Pelton cited in Hess, 1999, p. 150).

" Sherman , the only known survivor of cholangiocarcinoma (primary liver

cancer spread to the intestines, lymph system and gall bladder) and cancer free

for over 6 years after using Haelan "

www.cancercontrolsociety.com/bio2002/wainwright.html

I've spoken w/several holistic cancer practitioners who've used Haelan and

other fermented soy beverages. All have reported very positive results. For more

info ( & testimonials?)

www.cancer-therapy.net/haelanPage.htm

www.sagepartners.com

www.wellbeingjournal.com/haelan.htm

www.haelanproducts.com

Hess, J. (1999). Evaluating Alternative Cancer Therapies: A Guide to the

Science and Politics of an Emerging Field. Rutgers Un. Press.

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From: Sitz <ginasitz@...>

> >Other much less expensive fermented soy products (several of which are

> >reportedly comparably effective) include SE-185, Yang-851, Soy Essence (by

> >Jarrow), EcoGen (Econugenics), Nutra-Soy, and Soy Option (BioImmune).

> I just looked at Haelan, very expensive- about $50 a day for 2 months,

> that's $3000. Which of the above are comparably effective?

SE-185 reportedly is.

The following is essentially everything I know about the other products:

SE-185 (from China)-- A practitioner reported that it tests comparably to Haelan

in EDS but costs only $100/month. I'm still trying to get the website/ordering

info for it.

Yang-851-- " same type of product [as Haelan], but it only costs about twenty

dollars per bottle, whereas Haelan costs fifty-five " (Pelton cited in Hess,

1999, p. 150)

Soy Essence (http://jarrow.com/products/fermentedsoy.htm)-- organic powder; very

inexpensive; master herbalist Yance mentioned that he used to use Haelan

but switched to this product due to cost; it's in some health food stores

EcoGen fermented soy drink

http://www.econugenics.com/products/description.php3?p=533

reportedly recommended by Stoff, M.D.

Nutra-Soy-- by Dr. Narula at Chapel Hill; reportedly better absorbed than Haelan

Soy Option-- fermented; tastes better than Haelan; from BioImmune.com