Re: Ozone- Hype or Fact?

[Guest guest]

" Truth is, ozone will cure ANY cancer if you can get ozone to the

cancer, along with MANY other diseases "

" I know slammed ozone, but truth is

he really doesn't know anything about ozone, and should have said

so, and kept his mouth shut since he doesn't know "

The last quote, about keeping one's mouth shut reminds me of some

politicians in high places saying, " you are either with us or against us " .

Is it meant that giving an opinion should not be made, except just this one?

When someone uses the words 'Cures ANY Cancer' it takes a lot more research

on our part than simply allowing that statement to cause us to jump on yet

another 'cure-all' bandwagon.

I have absolutely no 'opinion' on the subject and therefore will 'keep my

mouth shut' about the efficacy of Ozone Generators. What I will not 'keep

my mouth shut' about is questioning 'Cancer Cure-alls'.

The writer also is not interested in helping anyone that is not interested

in Ozone Generators and to illustrate that says, " Too much debating,

arguing,

stroking ego's, and wasting time in here. I only want to help those

that are willing to listen and do something real about disease "

The following copied from the Pressman link above says,

" Medical Grade Generators

Made by Dr. Pressman, $1,800 www.plasmafire.com** . It comes with all the

equipment you need to apply it all the different ways. "

Of course the cost of something that will cure " ANY CANCER " cannot be

questioned, however, it is obvious to me that many people would not be able

to purchase something costing $1,800.

I also found the following paragraph from the same site interesting:

" It should be pointed out that testimonials are not significant evidence of

the effectiveness of a treatment. If an alternative cancer treatment is used

by a couple hundred people there will certainly be people who appear to have

recovered due to that treatment. However, as the double-blind studies

constantly show, some people can become cured of any disease by simply

believing that they are taking something effective. On the other hand, if an

alternative cancer treatment has been around for many years, it is most

likely that it will work on some people. There are two methods to determine

if a treatment works on you:

1.. Take the treatment.

2.. Use a test kit*. "

It seems to me there is enough 'caveat' in the above paragraph for people to

seriously question purchasing an Ozone Generator and to do research as they

should be doing with everything they learn about cancer on this site or

anywhere else.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

The REAL truth is that not everything works for everyone all the time. Just

as with any single other protocol out there, ozone is another of those that

works for some and not for others. I have not personally used it. I cannot

speak from experience in that context, BUT of the 61 people I am now working

with, 5 have tried ozone in conjunction with other things and only one saw a

really demonstrative difference; the balance could not tell any difference

whatsoever. To the one it worked for, that’s great…to the others, sorry

that it didn’t work, but don’t let that failure keep you from finding

something else. Just as this should not be a show stopper if it does not

work for you. There are hundreds of protocols out there. The reason there

are so many choices is that what worked for some didn’t work for others, so

people keep on looking. Ozone is no different.

Anyone that claims they have “the cure” for all forms of cancer is either

grossly mis-informed or lying. Each person’s body is a unique combination

of factors ranging from physiology to psychological and to make a blanket

statement that one particular thing will work for everyone in every instance

is not realistic.

Bruce Guilmette, PhD

Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc.

Http://survivecancer.net

… do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each

day has enough trouble of its own. Matt 6:34 (NIV)

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Behalf Of JCastron

Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Ozone- Hype or Fact?

" Truth is, ozone will cure ANY cancer if you can get ozone to the

cancer, along with MANY other diseases "

" I know slammed ozone, but truth is

he really doesn't know anything about ozone, and should have said

so, and kept his mouth shut since he doesn't know "

The last quote, about keeping one's mouth shut reminds me of some

politicians in high places saying, " you are either with us or against us " .

Is it meant that giving an opinion should not be made, except just this one?

When someone uses the words 'Cures ANY Cancer' it takes a lot more research

on our part than simply allowing that statement to cause us to jump on yet

another 'cure-all' bandwagon.

I have absolutely no 'opinion' on the subject and therefore will 'keep my

mouth shut' about the efficacy of Ozone Generators.   What I will not 'keep

my mouth shut' about is questioning 'Cancer Cure-alls'.

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[Guest guest]

> " I know slammed ozone, but truth is

>he really doesn't know anything about ozone, and should have said

>so, and kept his mouth shut since he doesn't know "

I have not researched ozone, but I have had many opportunities to

observe and reflect on it over the years.

In 1991 I was medical director of the Manner Clinic in

Tijuana. There was a period of overlap with the following director

Wilner, MD. Dr. Wilner had recently been defrocked in Florida

for ozone use. He thought ozone was wonderful and convinced the

clinic owners that it would bring in many new patients. I watched

him administer it intravenously to most of the patients. I did not

see any benefit. Dr Wilner and I were quite at odds. I thought it

was bad form for him to smoke his cigarettes around patients and he

thought I was unprofessional for choosing to eat lunch with the

patients. Dr. Wilner believed that HIV does not cause AIDS and

publicly injected himself with blood from AIDS patients to prove

it. He died of AIDS.

I have had many discussions with a PhD chemist from Scotland. He

was injecting (IM) ozonated olive oil and I suspect ozonated turpenes

into cancer patients and chronic fatigue patients. He claimed great

benefit. I told him that sparging olive oil with ozone would yield

organic ozonides. The functional group decomposes into two moles of

aldehyde and one mole of hydrogen peroxide. Over a period of about

ten years I didn't see any cancer patients improve with this method.

There is another holistic practitioner who has been using commercial

magnesium peroxide, diffusing ozone through it, and selling various

formulations of it. He claimed that this was a magnesium ozonide. I

don't think that this is possible and I would be very surprised if

this treated anything more than constipation.

Several years ago I received a call from a chiropractor who had used

much ozone on herself. She was very upset that the ozone aged her

very rapidly without curing her underlying problem.

Many alternative practitioners have made a business from diffusing

ozone into every orifice in the body including ears and vagina. I

can't see how this would fight cancer in other parts of the body and

I question the reasoning abilities of these practitioners.

Thousands of ozone producing units have been sold to cancer patients

in the US. Many such patients tell me that it did not work for

them. None have told me that it helped such that any benefit could

be attributed to ozone. Almost all ozone patients use many other

supplements and herbs along with it.

Ozone has been available for years in Germany for cancer use and I

haven't seen any real evidence of effectiveness as a stand alone

therapy. On the other hand Multistep Oxygen Therapy does seem to

benefit patients with some forms of cancer. Various other meds are

used in conjunction with it. It is slow but I think it does have some merit.

If I have any bias in regard to ozone it would be a positive one as I

am in favor of anything relatively safe and inexpensive that a

patient can obtain without prescription. I don't begrudge anyone

from trying it if they think that it might help them. I have not

seen results with it that would justify an expectation of a return to

health. I do think that in the future we might see research that

would support its use as part of a well-thought-out therapy. I do

caution patients to be wary of zealots trying to form a whole new

religion in worship of Ozone, Rife, Rath, Ambrotose, macrobiotic

diets, alkalinity, QXRI, paw paw, bindweed, etc., etc.