Re: non toxic household cleaning

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Just do a search for non-toxic cleaning products

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & ie=ISO-8859-1 & q=non-toxic+cleaning+products

This page has good suggestions

http://www.heall.com/body/healthupdates/environment/nontoxiccleaning.html

[ ] non toxic household cleaning

I used to use typical household cleaning products

before my fiance was diagnosed with cancer, although

we don't live together yet I like to avoid using toxic

cleaning agents, however I'm not sure of effective

alternatives to clean grime from the shower, or grime

in the oven or on the stove

does anyone have suggestions of a good alternative

cleaning agent, if possible try to mention the active

ingredient as the product names would differ in Australia

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My husband bought some " Simple green " he says it works like a charm.

My Dr told me to always wear rubber gloves when cleaning, and a face mask if

needed.

Sue

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From: nick c

Nick, there ave been many great reports on Miracle II products, their

Neutralizer actually helping people get well, and the soap being very healthful

and and free of carcinogens.

www.masters-miracle-ii.com

Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:27 AM

Subject: [ ] non toxic household cleaning

I used to use typical household cleaning products

before my fiance was diagnosed with cancer, although

we don't live together yet I like to avoid using toxic

cleaning agents, however I'm not sure of effective

alternatives to clean grime from the shower, or grime

in the oven or on the stove

does anyone have suggestions of a good alternative

cleaning agent, if possible try to mention the active

ingredient as the product names would differ in Australia

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> From: nick c

>

> Nick, there ave been many great reports on Miracle II products,

their Neutralizer actually helping people get well, and the soap being

very healthful and and free of carcinogens.

This is one thing I was interested in finding out: how free of

carcinogens it is? It wouldn't occur to me to buy it because so much

of what was being said about it sounded so faith based and

sales-oriented that I figured, whoever beleiveth might benefit (why

not) and whoever profiteth might exaggerate, but whether there's

anything else there I didn't know and wasn't particularly interested

in. Then one day I got it as a present from a very nice lady (an

aromatherapist/Reiki master whom I was consulting on the use of

essential oils for cancer), she just gave the whole Miracle set to me

without any sales pitches or promises -- " try it " was all she said --

so I decided, why not. I tried it on myself though, not on the family

member with cancer! -- and I have to admit I was impressed out of my

mind. Don't know if it does anything but, but it is just about the

best cleaner I've ever used. (Kills mold on contact yet doesn't cause

irritation when applied directly to the eyes!) I went to research

then, and read a lot of interesting stuff about " surfactants " and what

they can do... Then I went to " dodecyl sulfate, " the ingredient in

those Miracle products, and it transpired that it's the same thing as

" sodium laureth sulfate, " the ingredient in most commercial anything

foamy with a bad carcinogenic rap to it. Then I tried to figure out

whether " ash of dodecyl sulfate " that is supposedly what is used in

the Miralce products is so different that it's no longer the same...

and that's where I hit a roadblock: no clue.

If anyone has a clue, I'd appreciate the information. I would like to

continue using this stuff it I become convinced it is safe, but right

now I can't really tell one way or the other. Any input will be

greatly appreciated.

Elena

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Hi ,

thanks for the information. You've cited exactly the part I remember

reading and puzzling over...

> Miracle II products all contain an electrically treated coconut

based > surfactant in addition to the ash of dodecyl sulfate.

The " in addition " part is not clear -- ash of dodecyl sulfate IS an

" electrically treated coconut based surfactant. " Sodium laureth

sulfate does start out as coconut, which extensive chemical processing

turns into a chemical that doesn't remember it was a coconut once...

so " coconut based " doesn't automatically mean " safe. "

> One more point - the soap is the one with the ash of dodecyl

sulfate. > The Neutralizer is actually the mineral supplement that is

> recommended for people with cancer to take in order to alkalize

their system.

No, all of the products contain it -- the soap, the gel, and the

Neutralizer too. I have a bottle of Neutralizer in front of me. The

label lists the following ingredients: " Electrically Engineered

Eloptic Energized Stabilized Oxygenated Water, Calcium, Potassium,

Magnesium, Ash of Dedecyl (sic) Solution. " " Dedecyl " is perhaps a

version of " dodecyl, " and I have one weird idea about the origins of

the product... The inventor used to manufacture bricks as I recall,

prior to all the miraculous developments. Dodecyl sulfate is one

ingredient extensively used in cement manufacturing. I wonder if the

whole miraclulous idea comes from his experience in THIS area, and if

the " secret " ingredient might turn out to be a cement ingredient that

is not used in household cleaning products becaus of, e.g.

carciongenic or toxic issues -- or, alternatively, if it is just about

the same as the ingredients that ARE used in other products (none too

safe and most much cheaper), or, in the best case scenario... the

coincidence is just a coincidence and the cement experience has

nothing to do with the miracle story, and the secret ingredient is

indeed a recipe given by god, the way the inventor asserts. But which

is true I still don't know, and can't figure out how to find out! It

IS a good cleaner...

Elena

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Hi ,

thanks again --

and, no, I don't consider it a " sinister plot " at all, I just want to

be able to draw my own conclusions, and to be able to do that, I'm

trying to get a simple answer to a simple question. Two, actually:

a)what is ash of dodecyl sulfate, and

b)why " ash of dodecyl sulfate " and " ash of coconut husk " mean the same

thing, according to the manufacturer's explanation you've cited, yet

the label says " ash of dodecyl sulfate, " while the oral explanation

says " ash of coconut husk. " If it is ash of coconut husk, I would

call it that. If it is ash of dodecyl sulfate, I would call it that.

But calling something " dodecyl sulfate " and then responding to

inquiries with " it's really just coconut husk " doesn't make sense to

me... does it make sense to you?..

The hearsay sounds good, but what's wrong with wanting to know

something -- anything -- about the product that would NOT be hearsay?

Something that would be a fact, just for a change of pace? It would

add tremendous credibility to the hearsay too. The opposite is also

true, of course. If it's impossible to get ONE simple fact straight,

the credibility of all the rest of it starts falling like so many

coconuts from a palm tree... thud... thud...

Thanks for your patience and understanding,

Elena

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[ ] non toxic household cleaning

> I used to use typical household cleaning products

>before my fiance was diagnosed with cancer, although

>we don't live together yet I like to avoid using toxic

>cleaning agents, however I'm not sure of effective

>alternatives to clean grime from the shower, or grime

>in the oven or on the stove

>

>***does anyone have suggestions of a good alternative

>cleaning agent, if possible try to mention the active

>ingredient as the product names would differ in Australia

>

Hello Nick,

Here in Australia, a good cleaning product has recently

become very popular. It is a micro-fiber cloth that

absorbs just about any grime and germ, and can be washed

out in water, then re-used time and time again. It looks

similar to an " oven mitt[en] " and costs around Aust$37.00

It's brand name is " Enjo " -- lots of singing-jingle adverts

on TV about it, of late. :-)

As for cleaning ovens -- try Bi-Carbonate of Soda, with

Vinegar mixed with water. Works real well.

Have good, clean fun, :-)

Phinneas

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At 07:21 AM 11/2/2003 +1100, you wrote:

> [ ] non toxic household cleaning

>

> > I used to use typical household cleaning products

> >before my fiance was diagnosed with cancer, although

> >we don't live together yet I like to avoid using toxic

> >cleaning agents, however I'm not sure of effective

> >alternatives to clean grime from the shower,

I use borax powder in the tub and shower. Takes a little more elbow grease,

but does a great job. I use baking soda in the oven- sprinkle, dampen,

leave on, wipe off. Works great in the sink for stuck-on food in the frying

pan.

I use Borax and washing soda in the laundry. Baking soda in the dish

washer. I have a book called " Home, Safe Home " and also Dr. Hulda

covers lots of natural cleaning methods in her book " The Cure for All Cancer " .

I use vinegar and water to wash windows. It only stinks for a few minutes.

Virginia

> or grime

> >in the oven or on the stove

> >

> >***does anyone have suggestions of a good alternative

> >cleaning agent, if possible try to mention the active

> >ingredient as the product names would differ in Australia

> >

>

>Hello Nick,

>

>Here in Australia, a good cleaning product has recently

>become very popular. It is a micro-fiber cloth that

>absorbs just about any grime and germ, and can be washed

>out in water, then re-used time and time again. It looks

>similar to an " oven mitt[en] " and costs around Aust$37.00

>It's brand name is " Enjo " -- lots of singing-jingle adverts

>on TV about it, of late. :-)

>

>As for cleaning ovens -- try Bi-Carbonate of Soda, with

>Vinegar mixed with water. Works real well.

>

>Have good, clean fun, :-)

>Phinneas

>

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