Re: alternative cancer cure studies

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You are kidding, right???

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Luigi,

You will never find the proof you are looking for. Pharmaceutical companies do

the studies, and they are not going to spend money researching things they

cannot patent. Also, studies are designed to measure one element, and no one

who is serious about curing cancer naturally uses a one-element protocol. The

" proof " is in the results.

From: luigis155

I'm looking for studies, clinical trial results that give me definite proof of

a cure.

[Guest guest]

Many of the alternative cancer cures are supported by rigorous research.

For example, in his outstanding book " How To Fight Cancer And Win " which

has several chapters on the Budwig protocol, Fischer quotes a

Polish study as follows: " The fatty acids isolated from linseed

[flaxseed] oil were found to exhibit a strong cytotoxic in vitro

activity against Ehrlich ascites cancer cells with minimal cytotoxic

effect on normal cells... gave 100 percent dead carcinoma cells. "

However, if you are referring to the kind of studies pharmaceutical

companies do to gain FDA drug approval, let me remark that if the world

had waited for Masters and to study sex, there would not be a

human race. Anecdotal and testimonial evidence is good. Alternative

cures work. Cottage cheese and flaxseed oil is a lot cheaper and less

painful than chemotherapy. Give it a try.

Dwight

luigis155 wrote:

>I'm looking for studies, clinical trial results that give me definite proof of

a cure. Can someone help me with that ? >Luigi

>

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Thank you for your reply, Dwight. The reason why I'm looking for those specific

studies is that this is to me the only way people (and eventually doctors) can

be convinced to try alternative cancer therapies. At this point it still is a

brave decision to go against the medical establishment. I try to wake people up

and also consider alternative medicin, but I always hit against the wall when

discussing efficacity, they ask " where is the proof " .

Testimonials and anecdotes are not considered scientific. The only way the

alternative sector can win in credibility is to perform the same studies as Big

Pharma, IMHO.

> Many of the alternative cancer cures are supported by rigorous research. For

example, in his outstanding book " How To Fight Cancer And Win "

>

A good tip, I will definately order the book and read it.

> which has several chapters on the Budwig protocol, Fischer quotes a

Polish study as follows: " The fatty acids isolated from linseed [flaxseed] oil

were found to exhibit a strong cytotoxic in vitro activity against Ehrlich

ascites cancer cells with minimal cytotoxic effect on normal cells...gave 100

percent dead carcinoma cells. "

>

Several studies point in that direction, one study done in Canada even compared

flaxseed with the drug Herceptin. The outcome was that flaxseed is as effective

as the drug.

> However, if you are referring to the kind of studies pharmaceutical

> companies do to gain FDA drug approval, let me remark that if the world had

waited for Masters and to study sex, there would not be a human race.

Anecdotal and testimonial evidence is good. Alternative cures work. Cottage

cheese and flaxseed oil is a lot cheaper and less painful than chemotherapy.

Give it a try.

>

I searched curezone.com for people to come forward with there stories and cure,

but few people are reacting.

My best, Luigi

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Hi ,

Do you know where I can find documented results ? Are there people on this site

who cured their cancer naturally ?

Thanks,

Luigi

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Luigi,

I commend you in your desire to learn more...The pharmaceutical companies

convinced you that only " double blind, placebo controlled " studies are

acceptable!...The pharmaceuticals standard is that if that

a person can survive five more years after their allopathic treatment,

they consider that a success! Their quality of life is not factored

in however.

This is the major reason, that all of us are here. We do our own

research, basically experimenting on our own, that which resonates

within us....and report back to each other the results. There is a

tremendous amount of research out there, you will just find it in a

different format. You have to be an independent thinker, because the

support of the pharmaceutical will not be behind you, if there is not

something in it for them. Thats what we call the politics of

medicine. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not totally against

Allopathic medicine.....It would be my treatment of choice in an

" acute " situation (trauma, pneumonia) I would say, yes, lets use the

steriods, antibiotics, etc to get you over this crisis...and then

after it has passed, we can then re-balance and detoxify and rebuild

the body! Then lets focus on prevention, and keeping your bodies

functioning well and the immune system strong and balanced.

In chronic illnesses, allopathic medicines fails miserably in my

opinion. They do not like to work with the body, in most cases, and

take an outside approach and attack the body....usu. destroying even

more of the balance. They make a bad situation worse in the long run.

It is because their goal and agenda is much different than our own.

They do not want to " cure " anything, they merely want to " treat " you

for the rest of your life.....it provides them with a guaranted

income monthly in the years you live, and as they add more medicine to

treat the effects of the last, well they are doing well financially.

Even though most of us on this list, have an alturistic viewpoint, the viewpoint

of the medical establishment is one of big business. And thats just real!

If natural medicine and allopathic medicine would join together

and work together cooperatively, we would have one of the most

successful health systems in the world! They both have something to

offer. But the pharm. co. wants total control, because that equates

to huge amounts of money in their pocket. The truth is .... there is

alot of corruption in allopathic medicine at the highest levels....and

that is not paranoia, that is fact. They would still have a market,

however, because there are those that will continue to buy into their

approach.....looking for the all-mighty " silver bullet " , looking for

someone else to " fix " them.....rather than them being accountable and

responsible for their own health. Many people will just not change

their lifestyles, diets, thoughts, exercise etc.....but thats not good

enough for them. They want us all...lol...

According to JAMA themselves, the United States is approximately

73rd (? , somewhere around that number) in the industrialized nations

in healthcare.....that means there are approx. 73 countries out there

that experience much greater health than we do....and most of their

" medicine " is naturally based. And unless you read JAMA , you

wouldn't know this, because they didn't air that on the

airwaves!...They have us believe that the US is ahead in everything.

And most people believe this, because it all sounds so intelligent and

extremely complicated that people just assume that these people are

smarter than they are....cause they can't even pronounce the words let

alone understand it, so rather than question anything, they just

accept it. Natural medicine is 1st line in some other countries, and

allopathic is a last resort. One book you may find helpful is " The

Complete German Commission E-Monographs. " Its is a therapeutic guide

to Herbal Medicines, translated by some independent companies here in

the United States for our own study, by those who use herbal medicine

as their mainstay.

Cancer stories?? Okay, I'll share with you. My grandmother was

diagnosed with breast cancer in 1998. They wanted to do chemo,

surgery, radiation....what else is new? They wanted to biopsy an

encapsulated tumor! I had a fit! I convinced my grandmother to at

least try something I had discovered in my own research....essiac tea.

I prepared the essiac tea for her, using the original recipe, and gave

it to her twice a day....and dramatically increased her fluid intake

with water....to accelerate detoxification. I encouraged her to

increase her intake of " fresh, real " food. And to make sure she was

eliminating on a regular basis, and adding an herbal colon cleanser as

needed to increase elimination as well. They went to go do the biopsy

a couple weeks later, and could find no sign of the cancer! Thank

God! They still wanted her to have the chemo! and radiation! I had

another fit!...lol...so, she did decline the chemo, but they had

talked her into the radiation.....which really ticked me off! But I

am just the grand-daughter here and she recieved the radiation and

suffered through it. My grandmother is alive and well today! No

return of cancer! This is my paternal grandmother......so lets

contrast this with the experience of my maternal grandmother.

My maternal grandmother was diagnosed with breast cancer around

1995 or so....can't remember the exact year, but it was before I

started researching natural alternatives and had this knowledge. She

was basically healthy up to this point, she did have the chemo &

surgery. They did a masectomy and chemo. She lost all her hair, was

extremely nauseous and weak, did not have an appetite, and suffered

greatly! After their surgery and chemo, they declared her " cancer

free " . My maternal grandmother soon developed " alheizmers " and went

steadily downhill from there. To the point where we had to

institutionalize her for her own safety, which was quite a blow to us

all, because we promised her we would never put her in a nursing home,

much less a locked unit! Upon her death, they stated in the autopsy

that my grandmother did not have alheizmers but rather was " ate " up

with cancer!

I also train with a doctor who is an MD, but also has his degree

in Eastern Medicine. He was sent home to die, by his peers, and was

told there was nothing they could do for him. He had Stage 4 throat

cancer. It just so happened, that he connected with an old friend

from medical school, who lived in India. He relayed his story to his

friend, who said....ahhh, come out here, we'll get rid of that cancer!

He followed their protocal and is alive and well today, many years

later! He stayed in India many more years after his cure, and studied

there to obtain his degree in Eastern medicine. He now owns a school

of healing arts, and teaches people like me who have a passion for

truth.

I think how one choses to approach dealing with cancer or any

other dis-ease, is a personal choice, and not one that should be

" mandated " by an outside force with financial biases. I think that

what you " believe " in can also contribute greatly to its outcome. I

believe the mind plays a huge part in ones health as well. I simply

follow what makes " sense " to me. I do not have all the answers, and I

have much too learn. When I know someone who is diagnosed with

cancer, I do not try to steer them away from their decision to take

the allopathic approach, but I do share with them what makes sense to

me. Mainly, because of that power of what it is they believe in. But

I do try to educate them in supplementing this approach with some

overall whole body support, to minimize any negative effects. I was

alot more active in my paternal grandmothers case, for obvious

reasons. But robbing someone of their free will, or freedom of

choice, I would never do! If God doesn't even take away our free

will, who am I to!

I wish you well on your journey, and hope that you are given eyes

to see....and I hope that you will be a great blessing to others in

the future with the knowledge you obtain on your journey.

God Bless......Belinda

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Alternatvie cancer studies do seem rare. I know Dr Bruce has found some

research but it seems pretty scarce because of cheap treatments.

luigi wrote:

>I'm looking for studies, clinical trial results that give me definite

proof of a cure. Can someone help me with that ?

>

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Hi All,

Just a quick fact while we are on the subject of big pharma

etc,Australia is one of the most undermedicated countrys when it

comes to pain relief, as an Aussie and a cancer sufferer who has to

deal with pain on a daily [and nightly] basis, I know this to be

fact, especially if you are tattooed or look any different to the

norm,[different equals drug addict] Ive lost count of the arguements

Ive had with Docs,etc. Rights, What Rights???

Happy new year,,Jim Atkins.

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You can always investigate a really good rife machine -- I know a man in his

seventies with a really bad case of prostate cancer that had mestasticized.....

He was in a walker. Now he's full of vitality and the cancer is retreating. I

can find out more about the model he got - I think it was $2500. But well worth

it. ;-) Royal Rife knew what he was doing, which is why the govt ruined his

lab. Do you guys want me to find out more about the model he has? My friend is

buying it now... (Of course, he also switched to a high raw, vegan diet, but

this really catapulted him).

erica

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Belinda, Thank you so much for your wise words !

Luigi

" louvonnie " <wrote:

Luigi,

I commend you in your desire to learn more...The pharmaceutical companies

convinced you that if a person can survive five more years after their

allopathic treatment, they consider that a success!

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your good advice. I'm going to check it all out !

My best !

Luigi

[Guest guest]

I understand the concept that we are all conducting our own research & do so

myself. However, how does one know, for example, whether one

should sit in an infrared sauna a couple times a day, down umpteen

curcumin capsules, go for acupuncture, get some kind of electro-magnet device,

or juice? Part of the problem, I think, is that for the most part we only read

the success stories, and you're left with the feeling that you should do all of

the above ( & more). However, it might be better to follow one plan faithfully

rather than mix & match. Also, how does one know how much of anything to take --

as much as he body will tolerate ( & what is that number?)?

I got the Breuss book & read the 40,000 figure claim. It is also

noted that in the few instances his treatment protocol didn't work is

when it wasn't followed faithfully (blame the patient). The 40,000

figure just seems incredible - if true, Breuss could have done us all

a huge service by documenting the numbers & cases far better than he did.

Anyway, I have relapsed diffuse large B-cell non-Hodgkins lymphma. I take gobs

of omega fish oil (ca. 18 grams of EPA & DHA a day), vitamin C, a multi-vitamin,

curcumin, selenium, quercetin, a couple of Chinese herbs, magnesium, green tea

extract, grapeseed extract, IP-6, and a couple of others. As of mid-December I

have been juicing daily (~ 32 oz. a day of beet/kale/celery/carrot juice). I do

go for acupuncture once a week & swim a couple days a week as well. I also

completed a six week course of rituximab & will have scans on Friday. I feel

quite well. However, I do wonder, for example, if I should be having some quark

& flaxseed oil every morning...

Anyway, I guess my point is that rigorous scientific research would

not only awaken a few MDs (hopefully) but would also provide us with

some guidance as well. In the meantime, I'll just plug along.

Best wishes,

Dwight wrote: Also, Rudolph Breuss

claimed to have cured 40,000 people of cancer with simple fasting. His book,

also on amazon.com, contains many testimonials.