Re: Alopathy or the highway

January 21, 2004

The Veterans Hospital has cut Joe. We told them last Wed, the same day that

they told us his cancer had returned, that Joe was using alternative

treatments. The day before this appointment I called anonymously to VA and

spoke with a Patient Advocate voicing our concern that if we told the VA

doctors that Joe had chosen alternative treatments we feared they would drop

him. We were ASSURED that our fears were unfounded. We were told that many

seek medical care outside of VA and return to VA for that which they find

cost prohibitive. The patient advocate even told us that by not telling

Joe's doctors what he was doing that we'd put those doctors at risk. That

as long as we were candid with them, they'd be safe and would be in a better

position to assist Joe once they had the full picture of what he was doing.

Well the very next day at that appointment last Wednesday we told his ENT

surgeon that he was using alternative treatments and didn't want chemo or

radiation and that Joe wanted to try and reduce the tumors size before

surgery was even necessary.

The surgeon called her boss in the room and told her Joe was using

alternatives. That woman put her hand on her hip and stated, " Alternative

treatments don't work. " My response was, " how dare you " and Joe and I left.

I called the head honcho at VA today thinking that surely they'd still help

Joe...that they'd continue to give him the blood tests and CT Scans so that

we'd have something to gauge his progress. I told him that we needed them

to look down his throat before surgery to see if surgery was still

necessary...to see if Joe succeeded in reducing/eliminating the tumor.

His response? " I'm sorry, there are other patients waiting for the camera

who are following the doctors advice. If your husband is unwilling to do

what we think is best for him, there's nothing we can do for him. "

I was in tears at this point and asked, " surely you will look down his

throat for us in a week or so so that we could know if what Joe's doing is

working or no. " He said no and said he had to go.

So VA cut Joe loose because he's using alternative treatments! We have no

way to get the blood tests or CT Scans now to monitor Joe's progress. More

critical, we have no way to get access to that camera that could look down

into Joe's throat to see if the tumor has either not grown or been reduced

in size.

So here in the USA it's either...have alot of money to be able to shop

around for a physician who is open to complimentary/alternative treatment

or... it's their way (allopathy) or the highway.

They call themselves healers. I'm heartbroken. VA is all we had to get the

blood tests, that camera etc to monitor Joe. With no money and no health

insurance we are....more alone than we were before telling them.

We were so happy that we thought we could be candid with his doctors at VA.

We were assured by the patient advocate that no harm would come from telling

them and that, in fact, much good would come from it.

And we lost it.

So....I'm feeling a little heartbroken today. How could they do this??

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January 21, 2004

Mensaje citado por Monalisa Hamlett <LittleNightingale@...>:

> I am giving you these websites if you wish to

> to check out info. that has been wonderful for me

> and some of my family members. But hurry, especially

> to the Herbal Healer Academy, as the FDA is trying to

> take info. off of the website - www.herbalhealer.com

> www.800herbdoc.com

> www.getandstaywell.com

> www.gethealthyagain.com/cancer.html

> www.cancure.org

> (Sometimes NATUROPATHIC doctors can authorize blood

> work and tests in some states)

>

> Prayers for you,

> Monalisa

>

> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:23:31 -0500 " Karynda " <karynda@...>

> writes:

> > The Veterans Hospital has cut Joe. We told them last Wed, the same

> > day that

> > they told us his cancer had returned, that Joe was using

> > alternative

> > treatments. The day before this appointment I called anonymously to

> > VA and

> > spoke with a Patient Advocate voicing our concern that if we told

> > the VA

> > doctors that Joe had chosen alternative treatments we feared they

> > would drop

> > him. We were ASSURED that our fears were unfounded. We were told

> > that many

> > seek medical care outside of VA and return to VA for that which they

> > find

> > cost prohibitive. The patient advocate even told us that by not

> > telling

> > Joe's doctors what he was doing that we'd put those doctors at risk.

> > That

> > as long as we were candid with them, they'd be safe and would be in

> > a better

> > position to assist Joe once they had the full picture of what he was

> > doing.

> >

> > Well the very next day at that appointment last Wednesday we told

> > his ENT

> > surgeon that he was using alternative treatments and didn't want

> > chemo or

> > radiation and that Joe wanted to try and reduce the tumors size

> > before

> > surgery was even necessary.

> >

> > The surgeon called her boss in the room and told her Joe was using

> > alternatives. That woman put her hand on her hip and stated,

> > " Alternative

> > treatments don't work. " My response was, " how dare you " and Joe and

> > I left.

> >

> > I called the head honcho at VA today thinking that surely they'd

> > still help

> > Joe...that they'd continue to give him the blood tests and CT Scans

> > so that

> > we'd have something to gauge his progress. I told him that we

> > needed them

> > to look down his throat before surgery to see if surgery was still

> > necessary...to see if Joe succeeded in reducing/eliminating the

> > tumor.

> >

> > His response? " I'm sorry, there are other patients waiting for the

> > camera

> > who are following the doctors advice. If your husband is unwilling

> > to do

> > what we think is best for him, there's nothing we can do for him. "

> >

> > I was in tears at this point and asked, " surely you will look down

> > his

> > throat for us in a week or so so that we could know if what Joe's

> > doing is

> > working or no. " He said no and said he had to go.

> >

> > So VA cut Joe loose because he's using alternative treatments! We

> > have no

> > way to get the blood tests or CT Scans now to monitor Joe's

> > progress. More

> > critical, we have no way to get access to that camera that could

> > look down

> > into Joe's throat to see if the tumor has either not grown or been

> > reduced

> > in size.

> >

> > So here in the USA it's either...have alot of money to be able to

> > shop

> > around for a physician who is open to complimentary/alternative

> > treatment

> > or... it's their way (allopathy) or the highway.

> >

> > They call themselves healers. I'm heartbroken. VA is all we had to

> > get the

> > blood tests, that camera etc to monitor Joe. With no money and no

> > health

> > insurance we are....more alone than we were before telling them.

> >

> > We were so happy that we thought we could be candid with his doctors

> > at VA.

> > We were assured by the patient advocate that no harm would come from

> > telling

> > them and that, in fact, much good would come from it.

> >

> > And we lost it.

> >

> > So....I'm feeling a little heartbroken today. How could they do

> > this??

> >

> > ((Everyone on this list))

> >

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January 21, 2004

I am giving you these websites if you wish to

to check out info. that has been wonderful for me

and some of my family members. But hurry, especially

to the Herbal Healer Academy, as the FDA is trying to

take info. off of the website - www.herbalhealer.com

www.800herbdoc.com

www.getandstaywell.com

www.gethealthyagain.com/cancer.html

www.cancure.org

(Sometimes NATUROPATHIC doctors can authorize blood

work and tests in some states)

Prayers for you,

Monalisa

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:23:31 -0500 " Karynda " <karynda@...>

writes:

> The Veterans Hospital has cut Joe. We told them last Wed, the same

> day that

> they told us his cancer had returned, that Joe was using

> alternative

> treatments. The day before this appointment I called anonymously to

> VA and

> spoke with a Patient Advocate voicing our concern that if we told

> the VA

> doctors that Joe had chosen alternative treatments we feared they

> would drop

> him. We were ASSURED that our fears were unfounded. We were told

> that many

> seek medical care outside of VA and return to VA for that which they

> find

> cost prohibitive. The patient advocate even told us that by not

> telling

> Joe's doctors what he was doing that we'd put those doctors at risk.

> That

> as long as we were candid with them, they'd be safe and would be in

> a better

> position to assist Joe once they had the full picture of what he was

> doing.

>

> Well the very next day at that appointment last Wednesday we told

> his ENT

> surgeon that he was using alternative treatments and didn't want

> chemo or

> radiation and that Joe wanted to try and reduce the tumors size

> before

> surgery was even necessary.

>

> The surgeon called her boss in the room and told her Joe was using

> alternatives. That woman put her hand on her hip and stated,

> " Alternative

> treatments don't work. " My response was, " how dare you " and Joe and

> I left.

>

> I called the head honcho at VA today thinking that surely they'd

> still help

> Joe...that they'd continue to give him the blood tests and CT Scans

> so that

> we'd have something to gauge his progress. I told him that we

> needed them

> to look down his throat before surgery to see if surgery was still

> necessary...to see if Joe succeeded in reducing/eliminating the

> tumor.

>

> His response? " I'm sorry, there are other patients waiting for the

> camera

> who are following the doctors advice. If your husband is unwilling

> to do

> what we think is best for him, there's nothing we can do for him. "

>

> I was in tears at this point and asked, " surely you will look down

> his

> throat for us in a week or so so that we could know if what Joe's

> doing is

> working or no. " He said no and said he had to go.

>

> So VA cut Joe loose because he's using alternative treatments! We

> have no

> way to get the blood tests or CT Scans now to monitor Joe's

> progress. More

> critical, we have no way to get access to that camera that could

> look down

> into Joe's throat to see if the tumor has either not grown or been

> reduced

> in size.

>

> So here in the USA it's either...have alot of money to be able to

> shop

> around for a physician who is open to complimentary/alternative

> treatment

> or... it's their way (allopathy) or the highway.

>

> They call themselves healers. I'm heartbroken. VA is all we had to

> get the

> blood tests, that camera etc to monitor Joe. With no money and no

> health

> insurance we are....more alone than we were before telling them.

>

> We were so happy that we thought we could be candid with his doctors

> at VA.

> We were assured by the patient advocate that no harm would come from

> telling

> them and that, in fact, much good would come from it.

>

> And we lost it.

>

> So....I'm feeling a little heartbroken today. How could they do

> this??

>

> ((Everyone on this list))

>

> ---

> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.

> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

> Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/2004

>

January 21, 2004

What about taking an AMAS test to following the progress of Joe's cancer? Get

on the web and type in AMAS and there should be some information on it. If you

decide to do it, let me know because it is very involved and not a lot of

diagnostic places know or understand how to do it.

Also, there is another test called thermagram. That senses the heat in your

body. Cancer is hotter than your body. I could put you in touch with a

certified thermagram center if you're interested.

Both these tests are not invasive and don't cost a lot of money. The AMAS test

is $135, but by the time you buy the dry ice and ship overnight is costs around

$200.

I'm trying to find other ways of monitoring my cancer. It's rediculous how much

the allopathic doctors charge for some of these tests. Good Luck!

Re: [ ] Alopathy or the highway

Mensaje citado por Monalisa Hamlett <LittleNightingale@...>:

> I am giving you these websites if you wish to

> to check out info. that has been wonderful for me

> and some of my family members. But hurry, especially

> to the Herbal Healer Academy, as the FDA is trying to

> take info. off of the website - www.herbalhealer.com

> www.800herbdoc.com

> www.getandstaywell.com

> www.gethealthyagain.com/cancer.html

> www.cancure.org

> (Sometimes NATUROPATHIC doctors can authorize blood

> work and tests in some states)

>

> Prayers for you,

> Monalisa

>

> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:23:31 -0500 " Karynda " <karynda@...>

> writes:

> > The Veterans Hospital has cut Joe. We told them last Wed, the same

> > day that

> > they told us his cancer had returned, that Joe was using

> > alternative

> > treatments. The day before this appointment I called anonymously to

> > VA and

> > spoke with a Patient Advocate voicing our concern that if we told

> > the VA

> > doctors that Joe had chosen alternative treatments we feared they

> > would drop

> > him. We were ASSURED that our fears were unfounded. We were told

> > that many

> > seek medical care outside of VA and return to VA for that which they

> > find

> > cost prohibitive. The patient advocate even told us that by not

> > telling

> > Joe's doctors what he was doing that we'd put those doctors at risk.

> > That

> > as long as we were candid with them, they'd be safe and would be in

> > a better

> > position to assist Joe once they had the full picture of what he was

> > doing.

> >

> > Well the very next day at that appointment last Wednesday we told

> > his ENT

> > surgeon that he was using alternative treatments and didn't want

> > chemo or

> > radiation and that Joe wanted to try and reduce the tumors size

> > before

> > surgery was even necessary.

> >

> > The surgeon called her boss in the room and told her Joe was using

> > alternatives. That woman put her hand on her hip and stated,

> > " Alternative

> > treatments don't work. " My response was, " how dare you " and Joe and

> > I left.

> >

> > I called the head honcho at VA today thinking that surely they'd

> > still help

> > Joe...that they'd continue to give him the blood tests and CT Scans

> > so that

> > we'd have something to gauge his progress. I told him that we

> > needed them

> > to look down his throat before surgery to see if surgery was still

> > necessary...to see if Joe succeeded in reducing/eliminating the

> > tumor.

> >

> > His response? " I'm sorry, there are other patients waiting for the

> > camera

> > who are following the doctors advice. If your husband is unwilling

> > to do

> > what we think is best for him, there's nothing we can do for him. "

> >

> > I was in tears at this point and asked, " surely you will look down

> > his

> > throat for us in a week or so so that we could know if what Joe's

> > doing is

> > working or no. " He said no and said he had to go.

> >

> > So VA cut Joe loose because he's using alternative treatments! We

> > have no

> > way to get the blood tests or CT Scans now to monitor Joe's

> > progress. More

> > critical, we have no way to get access to that camera that could

> > look down

> > into Joe's throat to see if the tumor has either not grown or been

> > reduced

> > in size.

> >

> > So here in the USA it's either...have alot of money to be able to

> > shop

> > around for a physician who is open to complimentary/alternative

> > treatment

> > or... it's their way (allopathy) or the highway.

> >

> > They call themselves healers. I'm heartbroken. VA is all we had to

> > get the

> > blood tests, that camera etc to monitor Joe. With no money and no

> > health

> > insurance we are....more alone than we were before telling them.

> >

> > We were so happy that we thought we could be candid with his doctors

> > at VA.

> > We were assured by the patient advocate that no harm would come from

> > telling

> > them and that, in fact, much good would come from it.

> >

> > And we lost it.

> >

> > So....I'm feeling a little heartbroken today. How could they do

> > this??

> >

> > ((Everyone on this list))

> >

> > ---

> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.

> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

> > Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/2004

> >

January 21, 2004

I read this with great interest because I am in a similar position. I refused

the treatments that the local VA offered and went the alternative way, informing

them out the outset of my decision. I further requested " observation-only "

treatment and they had no problem with that. Although they disagreed with my

decision, everyone (with two exceptions so far) has been and is extremely

supportive.

The fact that am still around three years after they gave me less than a year to

live if I did not accept surgery and radiation is a source of amazement to them.

During one appointment about a year ago, the Oncology NP gave me the results of

the tests that had just been run and said " I don't know what you're doing but

keep it up. " I gave him the URL to my Cancer Journal, something that I haven't

been keeping up very well lately, and said that it is all there. I never asked

if he had checked it out.

>The Veterans Hospital has cut Joe. We told them last Wed, the same day that

>they told us his cancer had returned, that Joe was using alternative

>treatments. The day before this appointment I called anonymously to VA and

>spoke with a Patient Advocate voicing our concern that if we told the VA

>doctors that Joe had chosen alternative treatments we feared they would drop

>him. We were ASSURED that our fears were unfounded. We were told that many

>seek medical care outside of VA and return to VA for that which they find

>cost prohibitive. The patient advocate even told us that by not telling

>Joe's doctors what he was doing that we'd put those doctors at risk. That

>as long as we were candid with them, they'd be safe and would be in a better

>position to assist Joe once they had the full picture of what he was doing.

>

>Well the very next day at that appointment last Wednesday we told his ENT

>surgeon that he was using alternative treatments and didn't want chemo or

>radiation and that Joe wanted to try and reduce the tumors size before

>surgery was even necessary.

>

>The surgeon called her boss in the room and told her Joe was using

>alternatives. That woman put her hand on her hip and stated, " Alternative

>treatments don't work. " My response was, " how dare you " and Joe and I left.

>

>I called the head honcho at VA today thinking that surely they'd still help

>Joe...that they'd continue to give him the blood tests and CT Scans so that

>we'd have something to gauge his progress. I told him that we needed them

>to look down his throat before surgery to see if surgery was still

>necessary...to see if Joe succeeded in reducing/eliminating the tumor.

>

>His response? " I'm sorry, there are other patients waiting for the camera

>who are following the doctors advice. If your husband is unwilling to do

>what we think is best for him, there's nothing we can do for him. "

>

>I was in tears at this point and asked, " surely you will look down his

>throat for us in a week or so so that we could know if what Joe's doing is

>working or no. " He said no and said he had to go.

>

>So VA cut Joe loose because he's using alternative treatments! We have no

>way to get the blood tests or CT Scans now to monitor Joe's progress. More

>critical, we have no way to get access to that camera that could look down

>into Joe's throat to see if the tumor has either not grown or been reduced

>in size.

>

>So here in the USA it's either...have alot of money to be able to shop

>around for a physician who is open to complimentary/alternative treatment

>or... it's their way (allopathy) or the highway.

>

>They call themselves healers. I'm heartbroken. VA is all we had to get the

>blood tests, that camera etc to monitor Joe. With no money and no health

>insurance we are....more alone than we were before telling them.

>

>We were so happy that we thought we could be candid with his doctors at VA.

>We were assured by the patient advocate that no harm would come from telling

>them and that, in fact, much good would come from it.

>

>And we lost it.

>

>So....I'm feeling a little heartbroken today. How could they do this??

>

>((Everyone on this list))

--

Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

" Dragons is sooooo stupid! " -- Yosemite Sam

January 22, 2004

My fathers brother had chemo about a week ago, now he is having high fever.

Is there any better ways to reduce his fever. The cause of infection is

unknown.

Your reply is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

PK

January 23, 2004

what are some of the allopathic tests that are not invasive in any way.

insurance might pay for some of them.

thermography i heard is great fro breast cancer. we need thyroid cancer

follow-up.

thanks

rhoda

rhodaf@...

Re: [ ] Alopathy or the highway

Mensaje citado por Monalisa Hamlett <LittleNightingale@...>:

> I am giving you these websites if you wish to

> to check out info. that has been wonderful for me

> and some of my family members. But hurry, especially

> to the Herbal Healer Academy, as the FDA is trying to

> take info. off of the website - www.herbalhealer.com

> www.800herbdoc.com

> www.getandstaywell.com

> www.gethealthyagain.com/cancer.html

> www.cancure.org

> (Sometimes NATUROPATHIC doctors can authorize blood

> work and tests in some states)

>

> Prayers for you,

> Monalisa

>

> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:23:31 -0500 " Karynda " <karynda@...>

> writes:

> > The Veterans Hospital has cut Joe. We told them last Wed, the same

> > day that

> > they told us his cancer had returned, that Joe was using

> > alternative

> > treatments. The day before this appointment I called anonymously to

> > VA and

> > spoke with a Patient Advocate voicing our concern that if we told

> > the VA

> > doctors that Joe had chosen alternative treatments we feared they

> > would drop

> > him. We were ASSURED that our fears were unfounded. We were told

> > that many

> > seek medical care outside of VA and return to VA for that which they

> > find

> > cost prohibitive. The patient advocate even told us that by not

> > telling

> > Joe's doctors what he was doing that we'd put those doctors at risk.

> > That

> > as long as we were candid with them, they'd be safe and would be in

> > a better

> > position to assist Joe once they had the full picture of what he was

> > doing.

> >

> > Well the very next day at that appointment last Wednesday we told

> > his ENT

> > surgeon that he was using alternative treatments and didn't want

> > chemo or

> > radiation and that Joe wanted to try and reduce the tumors size

> > before

> > surgery was even necessary.

> >

> > The surgeon called her boss in the room and told her Joe was using

> > alternatives. That woman put her hand on her hip and stated,

> > " Alternative

> > treatments don't work. " My response was, " how dare you " and Joe and

> > I left.

> >

> > I called the head honcho at VA today thinking that surely they'd

> > still help

> > Joe...that they'd continue to give him the blood tests and CT Scans

> > so that

> > we'd have something to gauge his progress. I told him that we

> > needed them

> > to look down his throat before surgery to see if surgery was still

> > necessary...to see if Joe succeeded in reducing/eliminating the

> > tumor.

> >

> > His response? " I'm sorry, there are other patients waiting for the

> > camera

> > who are following the doctors advice. If your husband is unwilling

> > to do

> > what we think is best for him, there's nothing we can do for him. "

> >

> > I was in tears at this point and asked, " surely you will look down

> > his

> > throat for us in a week or so so that we could know if what Joe's

> > doing is

> > working or no. " He said no and said he had to go.

> >

> > So VA cut Joe loose because he's using alternative treatments! We

> > have no

> > way to get the blood tests or CT Scans now to monitor Joe's

> > progress. More

> > critical, we have no way to get access to that camera that could

> > look down

> > into Joe's throat to see if the tumor has either not grown or been

> > reduced

> > in size.

> >

> > So here in the USA it's either...have alot of money to be able to

> > shop

> > around for a physician who is open to complimentary/alternative

> > treatment

> > or... it's their way (allopathy) or the highway.

> >

> > They call themselves healers. I'm heartbroken. VA is all we had to

> > get the

> > blood tests, that camera etc to monitor Joe. With no money and no

> > health

> > insurance we are....more alone than we were before telling them.

> >

> > We were so happy that we thought we could be candid with his doctors

> > at VA.

> > We were assured by the patient advocate that no harm would come from

> > telling

> > them and that, in fact, much good would come from it.

> >

> > And we lost it.

> >

> > So....I'm feeling a little heartbroken today. How could they do

> > this??

> >

> > ((Everyone on this list))

> >

> > ---

> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.

> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

> > Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/2004

> >

January 23, 2004

i would go back to the patient advocate and sobbingly tell the whole story

and get her to stick her neck out for you. this was all based on her

advice. also, look into what other programs your state offers, i'm getting

tons of help from maine, with no insurance.

virginia

At 08:23 AM 1/21/2004 -0500, you wrote: