Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Hi, This won't hurt unless of course you don't burn your skin. It will cause the local blood vessels to dilate and the bloodflow to increase, so this can be beneficial. I find the comments on FIR hyperthermia seriously questionable. For one thing, home saunas should be used to promote a deep cleansing heavy sweat, and not to see how high you can elevate core body temperature. This is not only dangerous, but I also don't think you would be able to raise the temperature to the extent necessary anyway. Whole body hyperthermia is most typically done with a combination of near-infrared heat lamps and pharmaceutical agents to raise body temp to around 107F. This is computer-monitored and controlled in a clinical setting. You cannot do this at home nor should you try. FIR saunas are sometimes used as an adjunct between sessions. There is some evidence that if tissue temps in a tumor are repeatedly elevated but shy of lethal levels, the tissues can become conditioned to be more heat-tolerant. You, in a sense, achieve the opposite of the desired effect. Most hyperthermia is not whole-body, but instead targets tumor(s) directly, usually with radio waves (diathermy), ultra-sound, or microwaves. In Physical Therapy, these modalities are all classified as " deep heat " . Infrared, both near and far, are consodered " superficial " . I have been in the sauna business for 18 years and have grown to caution people about FIR health claims as they are often more promotional than scientific although I greatly believe in the value and benefits that can be derived from all kinds of saunas. Hope this is helpful. Bob Owner Heavenly Heat Saunas > > Hi. > > , thanks for the great links. There is SO much to learn, and I am just begininning! (with some trial and error as well) > > Infrared sauna has also been mentioned on this group. I happen to have 2 hand-held infrared massagers (about $10/ea) in the 2 rooms of my home that I'm in most of the time. Since reading about heat treatment for cancer, I have been using them on the cancer-effected areas of my abdomen, in particular. I mostly let it sit there with a thin layer of cloth between device and skin, and then slightly move the position, until the entire area has been heated and feels hot. Initially some spots get so hot it hurts, but when I'm finished the entire area feels really good. Is this silly? Can this help? Hurt?? I'm just trying to use all the resources I have on hand at the moment. http://www.healthliesexposed.com/articles/article_2005_10_7_0033.shtm l > > " 10. In Germany and Mexico, alternative biological treatment centers for cancer have had great success with whole body hyperthermia, which involves heating the tumors without destroying healthy tissue. What can you tell me about this treatment method? > > Comment: ... Tumor sites are dense tissue, which hold heat and self-destruct. Healthy tissues are porous, which release heat through the skin pores by sweating. By bringing the body core temperature to a slight fever in a far infrared hyperthermia sauna, it triggers the immune regulators like interferon, interleukin-2 (IL- 2), natural killer cells and white blood cell production to fight the cancer cells from the inside. Cancer cells die at an intracellular temperature of 112 degrees F. without destroying neighboring tissue. Since tumors cannot release heat like porous tissues can, the temperature will shoot up to 112 degrees F. in the tumor while your core body temperature remains around a safe range of 103 degrees F. Again, whole body hyperthermia methods can only be performed outside of mainstream medicine. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 If I remember correctly, the Hyperthermia treatment requires that the body is immersed in the tub up to the nose which is the only part of the body, except perhaps for the eyes???? Maybe someone has changed this a bit but I suspect if you want a 103 degree fever this is what you might have to do. I did not know about the tumor getting hotter than the rest of the body. Now I know. Then there is the newer treatment plan of using a dry sauna type cabinet which someone hopefully will educate us on. So many such treatments do cost a pretty penny and might not be available to the average person. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 My brother had heat treatment @ vci. you must be aware not to have a morphine patch while doing it. I do not know if they had success with pancreatic cancer. they do radiation first and from the Cantron Hope Meetings, I understand you should never do radiation with pc! It cost $3,000 a week. It was not successful for my brother, they stopped taking him one week and he died, but they did increase his morphine and he was stage 4. I was not impressed with the clinic or doctors! Debbie--- doverto wrote: > I find the comments on FIR hyperthermia seriously questionable. For > one thing, home saunas should be used to promote a deep cleansing > heavy sweat, and not to see how high you can elevate core body > temperature. This is not only dangerous, but I also don't think you > would be able to raise the temperature to the extent necessary > anyway. > Whole body hyperthermia is most typically done with a combination of near-infrared heat lamps and pharmaceutical agents to raise body > temp to around 107F. This is computer-monitored and controlled in a > clinical setting. You cannot do this at home nor should you try. > FIR saunas are sometimes used as an adjunct between sessions. > There is some evidence that if tissue temps in a tumor are > repeatedly elevated but shy of lethal levels, the tissues can become conditioned to be more heat-tolerant. You, in a sense, achieve the opposite of the desired effect. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 My father, surgeon-oncologist used widely tumor heating in his everyday practice. I participated in his investigations some years ago as electric engineer. As I know, light tumor heating is well known pre- radiotherapy method, using to activate cancer cells. It cause tumor tissue be more sensitive to X-rays. But such heating itself, without be completed by serious treatment may increase cancer growth. Even if supposed low temperatures (42-45 C) being exposed for long time can damage cancer cells, it seems rather troublesome to support such temperature on entire tumor volume, where blood flow acts as natural cooler. As I remember, we measured tissue temperature close to very hot area around working electrode and saw that it was not higher 40C in deeper layers. I suppose, if you heating your body in sauna, you heating only higher layer of your skin to relatively low temperature and, possibly, go in serious trouble. In our application we use standard electro surgery equipment, which can perform volume heating till 60-80C. And we still were worried regarding " low " temperatures around affected area. You can see some photo illustration on http://www.oncology.50megs.com/ Also, there are other resources, related to high temperature hyperthermia, e.g. http://www.celsion.com/technology/tech.cfm Yuri Eisenstark > > If I remember correctly, the Hyperthermia treatment requires that the body > is immersed in the tub up to the nose which is the only part of the body, > except perhaps for the eyes???? > > Maybe someone has changed this a bit but I suspect if you want a 103 degree > fever this is what you might have to do. I did not know about the tumor > getting hotter than the rest of the body. Now I know. > > Then there is the newer treatment plan of using a dry sauna type cabinet > which someone hopefully will educate us on. So many such treatments do > cost a pretty penny and might not be available to the average person. > > Joe C. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Hi Becky: I'm really behind on my emails here as you can tell. I wanted to ask you what store did you get your handheld infrared massagers at? Do you still feel that they are helping you? ~Amber <<Infrared sauna has also been mentioned on this group. I happen to have 2 hand-held infrared massagers (about $10/ea) in the 2 rooms of my home that I'm in most of the time. Since reading about heat treatment for cancer, I have been using them on the cancer-effected areas of my abdomen, in particular.>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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